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I'm a frenchman of 38 years old, I love reading and writing. I discovered John le Carré's universe 15 years ago, thanks to "The Constant Gardener". Since then I kept on reading him, listening to him. We (with 30 other authors) published in France a collective book about his work in 2018, "Cahier de L'Herne", while he published "The Legacy of Spies". These last years, I've talked with authors and journalists who had worked with him, or wrote about him. In the end of December 2020, I wrote a tribute to his memory. Now, I'm preparing a book dealing with his work as a (extraordinary) writer. Thank you for sharing this interview. Greetings from France
Avez-vous vu l’entretien de John Le Carre au programme Apostrophes de Bernard Pivot… en francais.? Il avail appris le francais pour cet entretien, fascinant
It is so pleasing to listen to a man who doesn't talk down to his audience. His erudition, his vocabulary, his consideration, are a sheer delight to listen to. So refreshing after the sloganeering and childish chat employed by many talking heads and politicians of all stripes.
Such an honest and transparent man. Obviously very articulate and absorbent. The right novelist to create the metaphor for the civilization that spawned the Cold War and who we are.
This is an extremely intelligent, insightful man, which is probably the reason why is novels and screen adaptations are so very successful. A very talented writer that would make a great psychologist.
Le Carrè was a great novelist period, not just a spy thriller writer. His prose is so rich, immaculate and peppered by humour, his plots very intricate but captivating and his characters memorable. Such an immense talent
What?! He never stepped outside his comfort zone. I've never come across an ounce of humour in his books. His style is incrediblely stiff. His plots are overly contrived and often nonsensical. His characters are mostly just talking heads.
"What the hell do you think spies are? Moral philosophers measuring everything they do against the word of God or Karl Marx? They're not! They're just a bunch of seedy, squalid bastards like me: little men, drunkards, queers, henpecked husbands, civil servants playing cowboys and Indians to brighten their rotten little lives. Do you think they sit like monks in a cell, balancing right against wrong? Yesterday I would have killed Mundt because I thought him evil and an enemy. But not today. Today he is evil and my friend. London needs him. They need him so that the great, moronic masses you admire so much can sleep soundly in their flea-bitten beds again. They need him for the safety of ordinary, crummy people like you and me..."
@@natashadavies9569 I appreciate good writing when I read it. I didn't find much of it in his work. How I finished 'The Honourable Schoolboy' I will never know. Overblown drivil.
Charlie Rose was a great interviewer. He drew out his guests and let them expound their views. He was always prepared and had good follow-up questions.
I personally think Charlie freaking SUCKED at interviews and I've always thought so. He seemed to constantly forget that his guest should be the star of the show. NOT HIM!
Apart from reading Auther Hailey, Alistair Maclean and also John Le Carre's books from our NMC library, because we didn't have a wonderful British library in our city of Nagpur with a population of 10 lakh at that time, I have enjoyed reading other books while in school, then enjoyed buying a whole collection of Erle stanley gardener's court room thriller and James Hardey chase suspense thrillers, plus Dame Agatha Christie short stories and novels.These novels have enriched me enormously and now hearing Le Carre's talking about his life enhances his charm in my istimate. I have to find more of his books and read, so that, just as i found his interview a expression of truth so his books too are.
Do yourselves an enormous favor and read his essay in the 2008 New Yorker Magazine entitled "The Madness Of Spies." It details briefly but succinctly the mania threaded throughout the clandestine services and the insanity it causes in those who live in it too long. Notice that when he mentions the United States and the 'altruistic wars' to come he's describing a state of 'continuous war' we've been warned about by Orwell.
One of the reasons i always skim through YT comment section. Someone like yourself makes a reference to something and i deepen my knowledge. I just read the essay and its a gem. It captures something about war that i have not read anywhere else. Thanks!!
'Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past' .... (The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte, Karl Marx)
The impression of and tribute to Alec Guinness is indeed beautiful. le Carre passed away today - I would feel foolish even attempting a tribute of that grandeur but I will say that reading the George Smiley trilogy in a row in a matter of a few weeks helped me as an Irish person living in Britain (at that time not a matter of a year or so) for the first time gave me a more nuanced insight into the pysche of the British establishment character, mind, contradictions, complexities, insecurities. it helped me to understand rather than hate, and while I could never forgive colonial brutality, I can now see a person before the institution. It was men of integrity of the character of le Carre who saw humanity in Martin McGuinness or Adams as journeymen and not enemies and helped slowly bring that trauma in Ireland to an end. Rest in passion, I will read something of yours that I haven't yet knowing that you will live on in our hearts and minds
Probably the best writer of spy stories. He understands the cold war scene very well but is sadly a little naive about the way the world works. His books helped to bring down the Iron Curtain by demonstrating the common humanity of the enemy. He made a significant practical contribution towards world peace and hopefully that is his true memorial.
2:31 ff: I wonder if the interviewer actually heard how dire le Carré’s characterization of the intelligence services „after the World’s loss of leadership“ really was. As far as I could tell, he didn’t even blink, hesitate or gasp - just went on with the show…
RIP, one of the great truth tellers in writing. Like him, and many I imagine, looking back at my own upbringing explains a lot about the path my life has taken, and like JL, my inspiration was my father, who lived through the Great Depression and WW2 (infantry soldier). I ended up idolizing a man that I later deduced had no capacity for unconditional love and who lived by a code. I broke his code and he wrote me off. And for him, it was easy. I never cottoned on to it until years after he died. I've had to rebuild my life on my terms, outside my father's judgment, because he essentially hated me while I idolized him and challenged his capacity for unconditional love, which was not present. I broke down like I've never broken down when I learned of my father's death. I loved him so much.
regnochsten; This vid made me realize that I need to reread some of his novels. I stopped when "The Naive And Sentimental Lover" came out, but had read them all until then. I see some new titles I haven't read, but I'll read "Smiley's People" & "Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy" before tackling the newer ones. I think those two are his best. In spite of all the fame "The Spy Who Came In From The Cold" garnered Le Carre I prefer that pair of his classic novels. I liked Sir Alec Guinness as Smiley, but Gary Oldman did an excellent job in the more recent version & that film had every bit as good an ensemble cast as the BBC version. To me, at least.
@@dwightcurrie8316 I've read EVERYTHING of his, but my favorite (after the Karla Trilogy) is "The Honorable Schoolboy" -- very Graham Greene-ish, but for me, the most tragic main character in his markedly tragic oeuvre.
The Mission Song, written some years following this interview is an example of a writer at the top of his game. John le Carré has the open eyes and mind that would be laudable for men 60 years his junior. The grim reality of the secret world is vividly illustrated and given further definition by sardonic humour. Besides this, he understands politics and pokes fun at the career leftist and conservative alike. Thus far, I have only read this novel, but will buy as many of the others as my tight budget will allow. Before I neglect to mention this, such great writing and objectivity gives me encouragement to write again.
An extraordinary literary genius like Le Carre could never sink into craven, low life that is the milieu of politicians. Name me a single modern day politician that is an authentic intellectual. gift of Carre.
@@timothydoekhie Don't have that problem with Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Heller, Vonnegut. He's a horrible writer. I guess people liked the plots, however. But the prose..................good God.
Looking toward the future: "We are not necessarily tied to the dark side of our corporate nature." "We're in the doldrums...In the 80's we gave up morality for materialism....today we have ideas-justifications but not yet morality..." "I sometimes wonder whether anybody (in leadership) has a vision at all which goes beyond their own personal political survival." The future???
Such an intelligent (yet troubled) man...a pacificst..that also is realistic aboput the world and the way it is going..i like to call him a peacefull warrior...
My best author, writing about the depth of the human soul, his narratives and dialogues entertain, but also terrify. His novels bring tons of enjoyment!
Few times if not none, our world has been so well described and with no fear to enter in the most complicated issues, than in Le Carré books. During some time I kept thinking he was a French living in England, because of his pen name . Le Carré big picture of our world covers almost the whole, since the fifties until recently and is one of the most accurate portraits of our times you could find. In this sense as in many others, he was a great writer. His characters are so well depicted, his smart and intricate plots well solved, the ambiances are so finely recreated and the objectivity being all time kept as aim...everything tends to be so perfect, that it is not easy to mention a single book of him lacking quality. Unless when trying to get deeper and deeper into some questions, he does not slow too much his pace. The one that his plot's knott require. His books are some of the smarter ones, and he always knew what he was writing about. I read him several times. Liked the three first ones, Call for the Dead, A Murder of Quality and The Mirror Looking Glass War (or whatever the Title was in English). I equally always liked the post war ambiance of the MI5 he so well depicts. Their lack of budget and those forcely grey lives they all had to carry on with. Being this part of the price they had to pay, for being officials of these Services. Then the Smiley character, which think was his greatest creation. He made me know there are men who love and even marry women that for a reason or another, never come to really love them. And so Smiley had to secretly suffer not to be corresponded in his marriage. He could not explain her he was not at all the "grey", boring man she thought he was. His mask was a heavy one to live with. Then read The Spy Who Came In From the Cold where I found the same ambiance and so stood liking this author. Tinker, Taylor, Soldier had a bit too slow rhythm, for me, so found it a tad boring, instead, as a novel. But liked what was done when taken into a movie. From this book on, my father started saying that "this one, no doubt, must have worked for MI5" . And finally, the last time I was again interested in this writer was with The Constant Gardener, a book I was once more, told was a remarkable one and very interesting. And actually, it may be his best, can't tell. This is an unforgettable story about someone seeking for the truth about his dear love's death. Home, we all read Le Carré, it was a common place. So, it's a haunting writer who goes beyond the genre in several aspects. His analysis of human relations is careful and well built, and he always touches ground. He often digs into friendship and betrayal and sadness appears, once again, in Smiley's life. Going again and again into the heart of the matter, and speaking truth, this author became a modern icon. This way he gives a priceless testimony about many complex matters. I valued very much his societies scan and point of view, and we'll miss him. Although am lucky, cause I still have many of his books I have not read yet. So I can always get into it again. Am sure there are many like me, who will keep feeling they have to go on with their Le Carré books. An outstanding writer, able to enter in many questions, many others wouldn't dare. 🆗🤗💎❤️👍🙏
Interesting comment from you...and some social psychology if one can call it that, one comment from Ricky when put in front of Smiley in the hideout put the finger on an important component for people in the intelligence service "-Ohh I remember those probing eyes...I am safe now..in front of the purpose for all this, maximum honest ethics." Or something to that effect I can't remember the exact line, today both CIA and FBI are flooded with dishonest weirdos! Chris from Sweden
Drives me absolutely bonkers how Charlie Rose mispronounces le Carré AND espionage with such American carelessness. God bless Charlie Rose, but he was a little bit of a goof. le Carré is an absolute treasure and has still Got It, even almost into his 90s. His new book is phenomenal.
I hope le Carré was pleased, in the years following this interview, with how well and responsibly the U.S. shouldered its "great period" of "altruistic war." It's absolutely staggering to hear a writer one admires, and a man as sharp and intelligent - and humane - as David Cornwell, opine such utter, White Man's Burden/chauvinist codswallop.
It's nonsense.America is the one who does genocide,or suppports regimes who do it.All in the name if america corporate interest,not for some altruistic reasons.
@@nonameslb I agree. I had a certain level of respect for John Le Carré. With a statement like this that respect is diminished. I would expect him to know better than to make such an ignorant and irresponsible comment.
Interesting points from a tradecraft insider, especially the surprise disclosure that the secrets of the inner (intelligence) room isn't all it's caught up or made up to be.
The end of the Cold War? surely he knew that the cold war continue and never ended. But I love this writer, he is a so good writer. And love is always a very important subject in his novels, Universal Love I mean. :)
Just heard he's past away. Everything he's saying, would seem to ring True, More than twenty years later. America being the world police, expensive, and morally costly. Policing is never a perfect operation, however most of the world's people trust America.
Trust the US? How do you come to that conclusion? You state it as if it is a fact. Exactly who did you ask? I rather think they, the governments rather fall in line with the big dog's policies, or they get "policed". Trust aint got a thing to do with it, guv.
It’s very sad to go this special talk show. Charlie Rose was one of best interviewer, but he no longer can have interview people like him. Charlie, Was it worth it to lose your lifetime opportunity? Hopefully one talented person take over this special program and restore as before.🤷♀️
I was delighted to see Le Carre have an intelligent forum for his ideas but still can't get over Charlie Rose questioning why anyone would want the cold war to end. …….. I don't get it. The world didn't get better everywhere; the rise of Putin after all the oligarchs messed up what was left of Russia etc. but the rest of the satellite states, east germany with all the past etc. and the difficulties of reunion but still 20/20 hindsight. … my mom was jewish and born in Berlin and survived the holocaust and still had people she knew over there after she came here to Canada and the night the Berlin Wall came down people were in hysterics, throwing champagne bottles over the remnants, she was on the phone all night, I think she died happy because of that … Peter Gabriel recording We Can be Heroes, just for one day … I don't get it. good interview nevertheless.
I think he's right, it's just that we're not doing it. We do still send a lot of NATO forces all over the place for peacekeeping, and it's worth doing, but it's not news. We don't hear much about it. And the actual wars we have started or gotten involved with, we got involved for kinda sketchy reasons.
Yes, it makes me wince. For all his thoughtfulness and his careful probing of moral nuances, le Carré can sound terribly naïve about some of this stuff. I suppose it's hard to expect much else from someone of his generation and background, though.
@@yohei72 You're charitable, yohei72. And right on point. Twenty-seven years on and I can't help but shudder at the idea of a militarised & interventionist world government (which would simply do the bidding of the CCP in any event).
@@yohei72 he was talking in the days when many of us believed in the US's potential for goodness. Pre Cheney, Rumsfeld and 'W'. The US wasted the 'peace dividend' by becoming thinly veiled thieves and bullies. Sadly that course hasn't been reversed.
@@davebox588 Uh, sorry to break it to you, but that was true of the U.S. loooong before W and company. The USA has always been an imperialistic thief and bully, from well before its official founding. Ask the enslaved Africans and the slaughtered indigenous people about it the next time you attend a seance.
Tinker taylor...is somewhat floored! Smiley discovers it was rumoured his wife was seeing Haydon. From that fact alone Smiley looking for the mole would have immediately been more than suspicious. But it took later events to lead him.to it. Smiley you wouldn't last at the CIA
Before watching this video, I watched a talk by Tom Clancy. Literary criticism aside, I've decided that Tom Clancy isn't an American John le Carré. Le Carré is a true insider, but Clancy, in terms of "Technical details" , can be much more detailed, because he worked with open sourcea, outside the community. Whatever he learns and knows he could put to paper. Carré had to be circumspect. But both had their clear Ethical limits.
21:16 “We also created, in the curse of the cold war, through our secret departments, A kind of unelected and very unattractive hierarchy of secret power. And secrecy, in your administration as in mine, became money, it became a source of power in itself. If you’re not allowed to know what I am allowed to know, I’m a better guy than you are. And if I want to keep you in your place, I’m not going to tell you.... So we took ourselves into a dirty frame of mind. And I begin to wonder now, .. what kind of perestroika we need to undertake psychologically in ourselves, what kind of refurbishing of our political consciousness is necessary after the cold war experience”. Since Edward Snowden’s revelations, it has become apparent that there was no psychological perestroika at all, there was merely an inward turning of the secret focus. Now we spy on ourselves because it’s easier than spying on the Russians.
I spend my whole life thinking he was French, haha, without ever having read one of his novels...they had many of them at the library in the Alliance Francaise in Haïti, I thought he was a Frenchman with an English first name, which I found interesting (most the authors on display had "full" French names)...and I found out just a few months ago that it was the reverse, haha...and Englishman with a French last name...I think I can understand my mistake, at any rate...how was I supposed to guess he was English, haha, with those French copies of his books in a pro-French institution, and with a French last name?...I used to wonder why Hollywood liked a French author so much (they would usually not have gotten wind of of a French author)...
Every time I look at him I think of Russell Crowe...I mean, haha...something about certain gestures, body language...not sure why...not sure I could say they look alike...
Archange, the only French writer ever truly embraced by Hollywood (from the beginning!) was Dumas (pere)! At least they had the good sense to embrace him, the master plotter of page-turners!
His espousal of 'altruistic intervention'/'altruistic colonialism' - how does that fit with his opposition to the invasion of Iraq...perhaps he revised his opinion?
I mean - I doubt that altruistic colonialism is possible - but it is pretty clear the invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan were tied in with overt corporate interests
Why wasn't Michael Jayston the narrator of The Night Manager? It was the hardest book to listen to. I seriously had to force myself to finish it and stopped more than once. I wonder what was behind Jayston's not reading it?
We need a “new kind of altruistic colonialism exercised by powerful and sophisticated nations.” “We need to organize the world with muscle.” John le Carre, 1993. He wasn’t living in the real world.
A righteous America with righteous leaders would be a gift from God to the World, alas, I do not see any one of that caliber able to gain leadership with that trait.
49:35 “We really must not access the virility of our countries by the strength and efficacy of our secret services”. Putin:- Are you listening? Hacking other countries’ governments doesn’t make you a bigger man. Poisoning was always considered a crime of the weak.
When Rose first started, he was actually a pretty good interviewer (if a problematic person w/all the usual American tics vis-a-vis our "exceptionalism"). As he got older, he became a very serious buttinsky--wouldn't listen at all, and it was embarrassing.
Masterworks' ad campaign is massive - as though they are... oh i don't know, compensating? They are going to crash and burn like the other recent BS financial systems that get the spotlight of doom on a slow news day and face massive divestment. Like crypto, and unlike any company in the SP500, art is a speculative asset that doesn't make anything or earn any profit. Masterworks has sold 11 paintings in total, and only two or three of these 11 have occurred since they started being open to the public by advertising on 1/3rd of all podcasts and utube channels. Anyway - they will be the next FTX. If you want to associate your brand with that go ahead.
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I'm a frenchman of 38 years old, I love reading and writing.
I discovered John le Carré's universe 15 years ago, thanks to "The Constant Gardener".
Since then I kept on reading him, listening to him.
We (with 30 other authors) published in France a collective book about his work in 2018, "Cahier de L'Herne", while he published "The Legacy of Spies".
These last years, I've talked with authors and journalists who had worked with him, or wrote about him.
In the end of December 2020, I wrote a tribute to his memory.
Now, I'm preparing a book dealing with his work as a (extraordinary) writer.
Thank you for sharing this interview.
Greetings from France
Avez-vous vu l’entretien de John Le Carre au programme Apostrophes de Bernard Pivot… en francais.? Il avail appris le francais pour cet entretien, fascinant
It is so pleasing to listen to a man who doesn't talk down to his audience. His erudition, his vocabulary, his consideration, are a sheer delight to listen to. So refreshing after the sloganeering and childish chat employed by many talking heads and politicians of all stripes.
Yet he was fired by CBS for sexual abuse.
@@doreekaplan2589was he? Can you provide a link as my searches are yielding nothing
@@doreekaplan2589 I believe that the original post is referring to Le Carré. Was Charlie Rose fired for sexual indiscretion?
Not Charlie Rose - The above comment was about Le Carte!@@doreekaplan2589
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RIP to an incredible individual, thank you for the stories.
The enjoyment of a relaxed, long, uninterrupted interview/conversation with an intelligent guest. I miss those times.
A wonderful wonderful author, I adore his work
Such an honest and transparent man. Obviously very articulate and absorbent. The right novelist to create the metaphor for the civilization that spawned the Cold War and who we are.
This is an extremely intelligent, insightful man, which is probably the reason why is novels and screen adaptations are so very successful. A very talented writer that would make a great psychologist.
I just started reading "The Little Drummer Girl" and it's horribly written. Stunningly horrible.
@@HomeAtLast501 The Spy Who Came in From the Cold
@@HomeAtLast501 Learn to read, dumb.
Very overrated writer. All his books are overblown.
@@eamonnmaccionnaith5761 and your basis for such overblown opinion?
Le Carrè was a great novelist period, not just a spy thriller writer. His prose is so rich, immaculate and peppered by humour, his plots very intricate but captivating and his characters memorable. Such an immense talent
What?! He never stepped outside his comfort zone. I've never come across an ounce of humour in his books. His style is incrediblely stiff. His plots are overly contrived and often nonsensical. His characters are mostly just talking heads.
"What the hell do you think spies are? Moral philosophers measuring everything they do against the word of God or Karl Marx? They're not! They're just a bunch of seedy, squalid bastards like me: little men, drunkards, queers, henpecked husbands, civil servants playing cowboys and Indians to brighten their rotten little lives. Do you think they sit like monks in a cell, balancing right against wrong? Yesterday I would have killed Mundt because I thought him evil and an enemy. But not today. Today he is evil and my friend. London needs him. They need him so that the great, moronic masses you admire so much can sleep soundly in their flea-bitten beds again. They need him for the safety of ordinary, crummy people like you and me..."
@@eamonnmaccionnaith5761have you considered your lack of appreciation may be in the reading?
@@natashadavies9569 I appreciate good writing when I read it. I didn't find much of it in his work. How I finished 'The Honourable Schoolboy' I will never know. Overblown drivil.
Charlie Rose was a great interviewer. He drew out his guests and let them expound their views. He was always prepared and had good follow-up questions.
I personally think Charlie freaking SUCKED at interviews and I've always thought so. He seemed to constantly forget that his guest should be the star of the show. NOT HIM!
He was fired from CBS for sexual harassment
Great interview thanks
Apart from reading Auther Hailey, Alistair Maclean and also John Le Carre's books from our NMC library, because we didn't have a wonderful British library in our city of Nagpur with a population of 10 lakh at that time, I have enjoyed reading other books while in school, then enjoyed buying a whole collection of Erle stanley gardener's court room thriller and James Hardey chase suspense thrillers, plus Dame Agatha Christie short stories and novels.These novels have enriched me enormously and now hearing Le Carre's talking about his life enhances his charm in my istimate. I have to find more of his books and read, so that, just as i found his interview a expression of truth so his books too are.
Do yourselves an enormous favor and read his essay in the 2008 New Yorker Magazine entitled "The Madness Of Spies." It details briefly but succinctly the mania threaded throughout the clandestine services and the insanity it causes in those who live in it too long.
Notice that when he mentions the United States and the 'altruistic wars' to come he's describing a state of 'continuous war' we've been warned about by Orwell.
One of the reasons i always skim through YT comment section. Someone like yourself makes a reference to something and i deepen my knowledge. I just read the essay and its a gem. It captures something about war that i have not read anywhere else.
Thanks!!
Thanks for the tip, will go there right after I finish this video :)
"We fight the situation we inherit" very prophetic.
'Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past' ....
(The Eighteenth Brumaire of Louis Bonaparte, Karl Marx)
Absolute genius storyteller and strategist.
Le Carre's impressions of Sir Alec Guinness were so funny! He really captured him.
The impression of and tribute to Alec Guinness is indeed beautiful. le Carre passed away today - I would feel foolish even attempting a tribute of that grandeur but I will say that reading the George Smiley trilogy in a row in a matter of a few weeks helped me as an Irish person living in Britain (at that time not a matter of a year or so) for the first time gave me a more nuanced insight into the pysche of the British establishment character, mind, contradictions, complexities, insecurities. it helped me to understand rather than hate, and while I could never forgive colonial brutality, I can now see a person before the institution. It was men of integrity of the character of le Carre who saw humanity in Martin McGuinness or Adams as journeymen and not enemies and helped slowly bring that trauma in Ireland to an end. Rest in passion, I will read something of yours that I haven't yet knowing that you will live on in our hearts and minds
Probably the best writer of spy stories. He understands the cold war scene very well but is sadly a little naive about the way the world works. His books helped to bring down the Iron Curtain by demonstrating the common humanity of the enemy. He made a significant practical contribution towards world peace and hopefully that is his true memorial.
Rest in Peace, Sir.
2:31 ff: I wonder if the interviewer actually heard how dire le Carré’s characterization of the intelligence services „after the World’s loss of leadership“ really was. As far as I could tell, he didn’t even blink, hesitate or gasp - just went on with the show…
Charlie Rose is a charming host, as ever, and what a wonderful guest - an incredible interview between them.
Wonderful man. Such intelligence. RIP superb writer.🌹
RIP, one of the great truth tellers in writing. Like him, and many I imagine, looking back at my own upbringing explains a lot about the path my life has taken, and like JL, my inspiration was my father, who lived through the Great Depression and WW2 (infantry soldier). I ended up idolizing a man that I later deduced had no capacity for unconditional love and who lived by a code. I broke his code and he wrote me off. And for him, it was easy. I never cottoned on to it until years after he died. I've had to rebuild my life on my terms, outside my father's judgment, because he essentially hated me while I idolized him and challenged his capacity for unconditional love, which was not present. I broke down like I've never broken down when I learned of my father's death. I loved him so much.
I know it is a cliche but I am sorry for you loss.
Your
@@JimGutel you are a kind individual
Id like to thank mr le carre for all books, ive read quiet a few through the years id like to dedicate a moment of peace to mr le carre. thats all
regnochsten; This vid made me realize that I need to reread some of his novels. I stopped when "The Naive And Sentimental Lover" came out, but had read them all until then. I see some new titles I haven't read, but I'll read "Smiley's People" & "Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy" before tackling the newer ones. I think those two are his best. In spite of all the fame "The Spy Who Came In From The Cold" garnered Le Carre I prefer that pair of his classic novels.
I liked Sir Alec Guinness as Smiley, but Gary Oldman did an excellent job in the more recent version & that film had every bit as good an ensemble cast as the BBC version. To me, at least.
@@dwightcurrie8316 I've read EVERYTHING of his, but my favorite (after the Karla Trilogy) is "The Honorable Schoolboy" -- very Graham Greene-ish, but for me, the most tragic main character in his markedly tragic oeuvre.
The Mission Song, written some years following this interview is an example of a writer at the top of his game. John le Carré has the open eyes and mind that would be laudable for men 60 years his junior. The grim reality of the secret world is vividly illustrated and given further definition by sardonic humour. Besides this, he understands politics and pokes fun at the career leftist and conservative alike. Thus far, I have only read this novel, but will buy as many of the others as my tight budget will allow. Before I neglect to mention this, such great writing and objectivity gives me encouragement to write again.
Yes, I do find that now that I am in my 70s I do think of my childhood and how my life could’ve taken a different course as I entered my adult hood
It's a gift to the literary world that Le Carre decided to be a writer or he could've been a wolf of Wall Street or worse, a politician!
An extraordinary literary genius like Le Carre could never sink into craven, low life that is the milieu of politicians. Name me a single modern day politician that is an authentic intellectual.
gift of Carre.
I just started reading "The Little Drummer Girl" and I've had to reread the first 2 pages 3 or 4 times. He's a horrible writer.
@@HomeAtLast501 Sounds like a you problem
@@timothydoekhie Don't have that problem with Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Heller, Vonnegut. He's a horrible writer. I guess people liked the plots, however. But the prose..................good God.
@@HomeAtLast501 I think it flows very nicely. I suggest you try a perfect spy.
What a wonderful man describing his shyness.
Oh, for God's sake, are you SERIOUS?
RIP John Le Carre.
Looking toward the future: "We are not necessarily tied to the dark side of our corporate nature."
"We're in the doldrums...In the 80's we gave up morality for materialism....today we have ideas-justifications but not yet morality..."
"I sometimes wonder whether anybody (in leadership) has a vision at all which goes beyond their own personal political survival."
The future???
Such an intelligent (yet troubled) man...a pacificst..that also is realistic aboput the world and the way it is going..i like to call him a peacefull warrior...
My best author, writing about the depth of the human soul, his narratives and dialogues entertain, but also terrify. His novels bring tons of enjoyment!
What a wonderful interview!
Great interviewee, and interviewer.
Le Carre always gave great interviews.
R.I.P. John Le Carré the Legend.
Few times if not none, our world has been so well described and with no fear to enter in the most complicated issues, than in Le Carré books. During some time I kept thinking he was a French living in England, because of his pen name . Le Carré big picture of our world covers almost the whole, since the fifties until recently and is one of the most accurate portraits of our times you could find. In this sense as in many others, he was a great writer. His characters are so well depicted, his smart and intricate plots well solved, the ambiances are so finely recreated and the objectivity being all time kept as aim...everything tends to be so perfect, that it is not easy to mention a single book of him lacking quality. Unless when trying to get deeper and deeper into some questions, he does not slow too much his pace. The one that his plot's knott require. His books are some of the smarter ones, and he always knew what he was writing about. I read him several times. Liked the three first ones, Call for the Dead, A Murder of Quality and The Mirror Looking Glass War (or whatever the Title was in English). I equally always liked the post war ambiance of the MI5 he so well depicts. Their lack of budget and those forcely grey lives they all had to carry on with. Being this part of the price they had to pay, for being officials of these Services. Then the Smiley character, which think was his greatest creation. He made me know there are men who love and even marry women that for a reason or another, never come to really love them. And so Smiley had to secretly suffer not to be corresponded in his marriage. He could not explain her he was not at all the "grey", boring man she thought he was. His mask was a heavy one to live with. Then read The Spy Who Came In From the Cold where I found the same ambiance and so stood liking this author. Tinker, Taylor, Soldier had a bit too slow rhythm, for me, so found it a tad boring, instead, as a novel. But liked what was done when taken into a movie. From this book on, my father started saying that "this one, no doubt, must have worked for MI5" . And finally, the last time I was again interested in this writer was with The Constant Gardener, a book I was once more, told was a remarkable one and very interesting. And actually, it may be his best, can't tell. This is an unforgettable story about someone seeking for the truth about his dear love's death. Home, we all read Le Carré, it was a common place. So, it's a haunting writer who goes beyond the genre in several aspects. His analysis of human relations is careful and well built, and he always touches ground. He often digs into friendship and betrayal and sadness appears, once again, in Smiley's life. Going again and again into the heart of the matter, and speaking truth, this author became a modern icon. This way he gives a priceless testimony about many complex matters. I valued very much his societies scan and point of view, and we'll miss him. Although am lucky, cause I still have many of his books I have not read yet. So I can always get into it again. Am sure there are many like me, who will keep feeling they have to go on with their Le Carré books. An outstanding writer, able to enter in many questions, many others wouldn't dare. 🆗🤗💎❤️👍🙏
2024 wouldn't it be amazing to hear his views now
I learned more field craft from this guy's books , than anywhere else .how to think an act ,as if a spy , he's quite good
Interesting comment from you...and some social psychology if one can call it that, one comment from Ricky when put in front of Smiley in the hideout put the finger on an important component for people in the intelligence service "-Ohh I remember those probing eyes...I am safe now..in front of the purpose for all this, maximum honest ethics." Or something to that effect I can't remember the exact line, today both CIA and FBI are flooded with dishonest weirdos! Chris from Sweden
At the time of the interview in 1993, John le Carré 62 years old and looking fit as a fiddle.
Drives me absolutely bonkers how Charlie Rose mispronounces le Carré AND espionage with such American carelessness. God bless Charlie Rose, but he was a little bit of a goof. le Carré is an absolute treasure and has still Got It, even almost into his 90s. His new book is phenomenal.
Gets me too
Sparrows will always struggle keeping up with eagles
I disagree
@@davidgray3321 Okay.
I miss Mr. Cornwell.. amazing person.. oh yeah, a heck of a writer..
Frank
Adored this writer.My favorite of his novels is “The Constant Gardener.”
The Taylor of Panama is amazing too.
The "Perfect Spy" is the perfect book.
Still going strong at 89!
Oops ! 🌹
14.12.2020
I hope le Carré was pleased, in the years following this interview, with how well and responsibly the U.S. shouldered its "great period" of "altruistic war." It's absolutely staggering to hear a writer one admires, and a man as sharp and intelligent - and humane - as David Cornwell, opine such utter, White Man's Burden/chauvinist codswallop.
“A new kind of altruistic colonialism.”
That’s an interesting point.
It's nonsense.America is the one who does genocide,or suppports regimes who do it.All in the name if america corporate interest,not for some altruistic reasons.
@Charles Winokoor Leave? I wouldn't ever live in America.I would have to be a moron to live in a terrorist state.
@Charles Winokoor No. You need to strap on some balls and engage in the debate.
@@nonameslb I agree. I had a certain level of respect for John Le Carré. With a statement like this that respect is diminished. I would expect him to know better than to make such an ignorant and irresponsible comment.
Being British is everything la Carre’ is everything culturally representative of our society he’s just wrapped up in what is being British is
RIP, John
What an admirable courage!!!
Interesting points from a tradecraft insider, especially the surprise disclosure that the secrets of the inner (intelligence) room isn't all it's caught up or made up to be.
The greatest writer ever.
RIP Mister Le Carre...you were a master human being.
When he worked in Bonn he was not very nice!
@@jimreid6370 You mean when he worked for His Majesty's Secret Service? He was a MI6 intelligence officer...what the hell else was he going to do?
The end of the Cold War? surely he knew that the cold war continue and never ended. But I love this writer, he is a so good writer. And love is always a very important subject in his novels, Universal Love I mean. :)
The Soviets were broke , no money no power , no money ...it's a thing
His impersonations of Alec Guinness are spot on!
Just heard he's past away. Everything he's saying, would seem to ring True, More than twenty years later. America being the world police, expensive, and morally costly. Policing is never a perfect operation, however most of the world's people trust America.
Trust the US? How do you come to that conclusion? You state it as if it is a fact. Exactly who did you ask? I rather think they, the governments rather fall in line with the big dog's policies, or they get "policed". Trust aint got a thing to do with it, guv.
Shut the fuck up
In the UK most people have a very jaundiced view of the US. Not the people, but the corrupt leadership, and especially their foreign policy.
Charlie Rose "le Carre, which in french means 'house'". Your staff prepped you well.
Je regret mais le mot "carré" se traduit du français à l’anglais à "square". Le carré = The square, which may be a person or a physical place.
It’s very sad to go this special talk show. Charlie Rose was one of best interviewer, but he no longer can have interview people like him. Charlie, Was it worth it to lose your lifetime opportunity? Hopefully one talented person take over this special program and restore as before.🤷♀️
'but he no longer can have interview people like him' ?
I was delighted to see Le Carre have an intelligent forum for his ideas but still can't get over Charlie Rose questioning why anyone would want the cold war to end. …….. I don't get it. The world didn't get better everywhere; the rise of Putin after all the oligarchs messed up what was left of Russia etc. but the rest of the satellite states, east germany with all the past etc. and the difficulties of reunion but still 20/20 hindsight. … my mom was jewish and born in Berlin and survived the holocaust and still had people she knew over there after she came here to Canada and the night the Berlin Wall came down people were in hysterics, throwing champagne bottles over the remnants, she was on the phone all night, I think she died happy because of that … Peter Gabriel recording We Can be Heroes, just for one day … I don't get it. good interview nevertheless.
"Altrusitic war" sounds so terribly naive now with hindsight. And maybe even then. Though I don't doubt his sincerity and good will.
I think he's right, it's just that we're not doing it. We do still send a lot of NATO forces all over the place for peacekeeping, and it's worth doing, but it's not news. We don't hear much about it. And the actual wars we have started or gotten involved with, we got involved for kinda sketchy reasons.
Yes, it makes me wince. For all his thoughtfulness and his careful probing of moral nuances, le Carré can sound terribly naïve about some of this stuff. I suppose it's hard to expect much else from someone of his generation and background, though.
@@yohei72 You're charitable, yohei72. And right on point. Twenty-seven years on and I can't help but shudder at the idea of a militarised & interventionist world government (which would simply do the bidding of the CCP in any event).
@@yohei72 he was talking in the days when many of us believed in the US's potential for goodness. Pre Cheney, Rumsfeld and 'W'. The US wasted the 'peace dividend' by becoming thinly veiled thieves and bullies. Sadly that course hasn't been reversed.
@@davebox588 Uh, sorry to break it to you, but that was true of the U.S. loooong before W and company. The USA has always been an imperialistic thief and bully, from well before its official founding. Ask the enslaved Africans and the slaughtered indigenous people about it the next time you attend a seance.
There s something so brit about the brits.... wow.... sensuality, melanged with shyness, sense of humour....logical ... they kill you... really...
Really disrespectful of Charlie rose not to have bothered how to pronounce Le Carré correctly
Nobody:
Charlie Rose: J O H N L O C K E R O I
Further evidence, if any needed, that most Americans are philistines!
RIP!
Imho, smiley is one of the greatest characters in English lit. And Alec Guinness defined the character.
Le Carré speaks eloquently and Rose translates for America.
😂😂😂
Corporate corruption... hm... I wonder what he would make of the totalitarianist direction in which that took us...
1 year later in Rwanda, his idea would have saved lives...
Tinker taylor...is somewhat floored! Smiley discovers it was rumoured his wife was seeing Haydon. From that fact alone Smiley looking for the mole would have immediately been more than suspicious. But it took later events to lead him.to it. Smiley you wouldn't last at the CIA
Before watching this video, I watched a talk by Tom Clancy. Literary criticism aside, I've decided that Tom Clancy isn't an American John le Carré. Le Carré is a true insider, but Clancy, in terms of "Technical details" , can be much more detailed, because he worked with open sourcea, outside the community. Whatever he learns and knows he could put to paper. Carré had to be circumspect. But both had their clear Ethical limits.
21:16 “We also created, in the curse of the cold war, through our secret departments, A kind of unelected and very unattractive hierarchy of secret power. And secrecy, in your administration as in mine, became money, it became a source of power in itself. If you’re not allowed to know what I am allowed to know, I’m a better guy than you are. And if I want to keep you in your place, I’m not going to tell you.... So we took ourselves into a dirty frame of mind. And I begin to wonder now, .. what kind of perestroika we need to undertake psychologically in ourselves, what kind of refurbishing of our political consciousness is necessary after the cold war experience”.
Since Edward Snowden’s revelations, it has become apparent that there was no psychological perestroika at all, there was merely an inward turning of the secret focus. Now we spy on ourselves because it’s easier than spying on the Russians.
RIP.
I thought this novel was spectacular.😎
I spend my whole life thinking he was French, haha, without ever having read one of his novels...they had many of them at the library in the Alliance Francaise in Haïti, I thought he was a Frenchman with an English first name, which I found interesting (most the authors on display had "full" French names)...and I found out just a few months ago that it was the reverse, haha...and Englishman with a French last name...I think I can understand my mistake, at any rate...how was I supposed to guess he was English, haha, with those French copies of his books in a pro-French institution, and with a French last name?...I used to wonder why Hollywood liked a French author so much (they would usually not have gotten wind of of a French author)...
Every time I look at him I think of Russell Crowe...I mean, haha...something about certain gestures, body language...not sure why...not sure I could say they look alike...
Archange, the only French writer ever truly embraced by Hollywood (from the beginning!) was Dumas (pere)! At least they had the good sense to embrace him, the master plotter of page-turners!
John Le Carré was his nom de plume. His real name was David Cornwell
Ah...perhaps...there might also be Victor Hugo, though, lol, Les Misérables, Notre Dame de Paris, etc...
Ah, lol...yes, that's what I realized...
Prophetic at 21:50 >
RIP
His espousal of 'altruistic intervention'/'altruistic colonialism' - how does that fit with his opposition to the invasion of Iraq...perhaps he revised his opinion?
I mean - I doubt that altruistic colonialism is possible - but it is pretty clear the invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan were tied in with overt corporate interests
Why wasn't Michael Jayston the narrator of The Night Manager? It was the hardest book to listen to. I seriously had to force myself to finish it and stopped more than once. I wonder what was behind Jayston's not reading it?
Great fiction author
❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ гордость
Can someone explain to me why he is so well regarded? He writes great stories? Or his prose is particularly good?
both
John Should Have Been In Bio/Pic Of Walter Cronkite
We need a “new kind of altruistic colonialism exercised by powerful and sophisticated nations.” “We need to organize the world with muscle.” John le Carre, 1993. He wasn’t living in the real world.
Can anyone add CC?
49:44 A bit galling that Rose ignores le Carrés long preceding statement!
A righteous America with righteous leaders would be a gift from God to the World, alas, I do not see any one of that caliber able to gain leadership with that trait.
John le Carré moved on. No shortage of intellectuals with an interest in justice or peace, it's just that the ideas aren't sticking.
Too bad John Le'Carre could not take a look at the degradation of Russia in 2022 and 2023. Money for the chosen and sawdust bread for the peasants.
Human suffering is self induced
Who is John Lackarray?
49:35 “We really must not access the virility of our countries by the strength and efficacy of our secret services”. Putin:- Are you listening? Hacking other countries’ governments doesn’t make you a bigger man. Poisoning was always considered a crime of the weak.
How did Charlie Rose have a TV show for so long?
people watch it
all the wars in the world Thanks for the grin. Well said.
fernysyoutube agreed...
+Andrew Flecther: A good question, worthy of a Le Carre novel
When Rose first started, he was actually a pretty good interviewer (if a problematic person w/all the usual American tics vis-a-vis our "exceptionalism"). As he got older, he became a very serious buttinsky--wouldn't listen at all, and it was embarrassing.
said. this shit a year before rwanda le care not the best prognosticator
27122020: James Bond don't like...
It is kind of habit forming. 😂
An odd mixture of wisdom and (political) puerile nonsense.
Masterworks' ad campaign is massive - as though they are... oh i don't know, compensating?
They are going to crash and burn like the other recent BS financial systems that get the spotlight of doom on a slow news day and face massive divestment. Like crypto, and unlike any company in the SP500, art is a speculative asset that doesn't make anything or earn any profit. Masterworks has sold 11 paintings in total, and only two or three of these 11 have occurred since they started being open to the public by advertising on 1/3rd of all podcasts and utube channels.
Anyway - they will be the next FTX. If you want to associate your brand with that go ahead.
How does one pronounce le Carré?
g-e-n-i-u-s
I think le Carré has said himself that it's a made-up name so you can pronounce it how you want!
But this is a clip of JLC discussing it with some actual French people: ua-cam.com/video/7Mlz08xOGe8/v-deo.html
Ler kahRAY.
11:54
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24:37