The car chase scene in AntMan and The Wasp is underrated. I like The AntMan movies. I enjoy them as little side quest in the MCU. Could they have more stakes yes, could they be more tense and dramatically emotional yes, but enjoy them for their lighter funnier tone. Paul Rudd is just a comedic win every time.
My favorite aspect of the Ant Man films is how rewatch- able they are for me. They’re lighthearted, low stake MCU films that honestly we could use more of nowadays. I’m getting really tired of each and every MCU film being these massive planet/universe changing events over and over again. Sometimes you just need a small scale ground level battle on a random street corner in New York City, amongst all the insane green screen magical chaos in every other movie. Which is also why I really enjoyed Hawkeye!
Yeah you can turn them on after a hard rough day and genuinely laugh and just kick back with a low stakes movie. I love that it's a small comedy that surprisingly has some heart to it if you dig a little. It reminds me of Honey I Shrunk The Kids.
Well the thing with high stakes is it's code for "no stakes". Yeah I was really worried they would destroy the entire multiverse in Ant-Man 3 the first movie of phase five. Really got me there marvel. If the movie was about idk something like trying to save a city from a gang of terrorists I'd be concerned because there's a good amount of people involved and it's small scale enough to were it's be believable if not everyone made it out okay.
Ant-Man and The Wasp may not be the most interesting MCU characters but they have the most unique superpowers out of most of the Avengers. Shrinking and growing themselves while also shrinking and growing anything else? AND communicating with different races of ants who have their own "powers" and using them as sidekicks? That's so freaking cool!
I liked Ant-Man's movies and felt they were underrated. His debut saw Scott struggling with the stigma of a criminal record, even though he didn't hurt anybody. He deals with having a less-than-kind mentor who is risking Scott's life because he doesn't want to risk his daughter. While we jump right into Scott as Ant-Man, the movie hints at Pym's legacy as Ant-Man. As another nice bit for the movie, Scott's ex-wife isn't dating who isn't a jerk for the purpose of driving her back into Scott's arms. I don't see Ant-Man & The Wasp as boring. Scott is dealing with trying to handle a job, all while he's been roped into another job for Hank Pym. At first, it comes off as a pointless diversion, until Scott points out that if this security firm job fails, then he and his buddies aren't going to get new chances for jobs anytime soon. The Ghost has the motivation of not wanting to die. I'm confused as to how that is a generic motive. I loved her and Bill as characters. In a different movie, they would be the superhero mentor duo and Hank Pym would be the villain because the sequel emphasizes that he is a real jerk. But ultimately Hank is just a jerk, not a villain, and he accepts that he has been a rotten person to everyone around him. It is an easy solution to have Janet save the Ghost, but we didn't want to see the Ghost die. Well, I didn't. But this is just my opinion. You are entitled to your own and just like what is and isn't funny is subjective, so what is and isn't boring.
The Ant-Man movies were lighthearted, fun, and funny in a way that the Spiderman movies weren't, for me. The best part of both of them was, of course, the fifth-person POV stories, but I just generally enjoyed the movies more than most others. Particularly in the post-Age of Ultron setting.
Honestly, I think Ant-Man and Wasp could have worked quite well as replacements for Widow and Hawkeye in Avengers. Not only are the two actually founding Avengers in the original comics, but they are also flagship members of the first Ultimates roster; the Avengers styled team from the Ultimate Comics that the MCU built it’s whole foundation on. I would have kept Rudd and Lily but changed them to be a married Hank and Janet Pym. Then using the same narrative of the ultimate comics like the MCU did with Bruce have the Pyms get named dropped in Incredible Hulk. Banner is working on recreating the Super Soldier Serum but is struggling to find success. A frustrated Ross visits him in the lab and says something like “Banner, you better produce some results soon or I’ll have to give your funding to the Pyms”. This makes Banner desperate, resulting in taking dangerous risks that result in the Hulk. At the end Tony still visits Ross, they have the same encounter but Ross also says that the Army is already working on a new project and on the bar you see a file reading “project Goliath”. So Banner is considered a failure at this point, but SHIELD is watching him, Abomination is locked up and the Super Soldier endeavor has been handed to the Pyms. We learn the Pyms are a husband and wife team of brilliant scientists. Hank a renowned microbiologist and Janet a successful entomologist. Janet, through her breakthrough work with insects like wasps, spiders, and silk worms was able to invent a variety of versatile and cutting edge materials from new types of papers and cardboards that are eco friendly and don’t require trees, to amazing lightweight and extremely durable fabrics with countless applications. Janet was able to use these inventions to found several successful corporations including a large textile and clothing company which has made the couple quite wealthy. Hank has worked mostly in defense, with the goal of improving the American soldier at the cellular level by working on things like creating a more robust immune system, minimizing the need for sleep, increasing pain tolerance and making fighting men more efficient. He also in technology miniaturization as well. We eventually learn that Hank studied under a Professor and mentor name Phineas Horton. Horton was also an early member of SHIELD when he was younger. Gifted in many disciplines, Horton also sought to make the perfect fighting man, but from the ground up. With SHIELD he worked alongside Howard Stark and encountered Cap’s shield prototype in Howard’s lab early on. Horton was fascinated but Howard told him it was the only known sample of an immensely rare element they knew almost nothing about. Horton studied it at the molecular level and believed this element held the answers to creating his synthetic man. He could not use the Vibranium itself unfortunately, but armed with what he learned about its structure and composition he got to work synthesizing the building blocks of his perfect soldier. This would come to be known a the Horton Cell; atomically perfect synthetic cells with amazing and superhuman capabilities, properties and characteristics. Horton was able to build a body from the cells, but he could not bring it to life. Later, while aiding Howard in his study of the tesseract and design of the arc reactor he believed this power source could be the very thing to breathe life into his creation. He succeeded in integrating into the man a matrix that could withstand and circulate such energies, and even a conduit and housing to contain the eventual battery like source. But in the end he and Howard both failed to effectively and stably harness the power of the cube. So in the end Horton’s creation became a side show exhibit at the Stark Expo. Decades later, after studying under Horton’s tutelage Hank Pym gains access to the Horton Cell research during his military work on the Super Soldier Serum. Upon learning of the amazing synthetic cell and the unbelievable things it could be capable of, Pym saw a new possibility. The Horton Cell was designed to create a man of impossible strength, near invulnerability,endowed with amazing speed and power, but most impressive was an ability to control it’s own molecular structure to a achieve states like intangibility and immense density for example. But it seemed the cell lacked a powerhouse and the synthetic man could not be brought to life. Pym wondered what would have if Horton Cells were integrated into living organic men. To avoid the cells burning out a human body he had the idea to integrate some of Dr. Banner’s work with radiation. Pym runs a test on a primate and the results are profound, but the animal is quickly burned out, its heart failing. Throwing caution to the wind Hank injects himself. The feeling is intoxicating, he feels strong, powerful, euphoric, he feels….big. It’s with that very thought he’s overcome with a strange sensation and within moments Hank has grown to 10ft tall, still perfectly proportioned, and with immense physical strength. Upon this breakthrough Hank is recruited for the Avengers Initiative. Loki arrives and the team is gathered, following similar beats. Hank can even be the one briefly manipulated by Loki until Janet helps him overcome the mind control. Now, at this point I would have him essentially walk around as perpetually like 8 foot tall like he does in the comics, and we would yet to have seen him shrink before. The fight in New York commences and everybody is doing their thing, Hank is brawling, maybe he grows a bit but doesn’t break like 12 feet at this point. The fight reaches a fever pitch where the team is on the back foot, Jan is on the helicarrier and panics and injects herself with what is now being called the Pym Particle Serum. But upon injection, Janet instinctively shrinks rather than grows, and discovers she can fly. She zips out of the helicarrier and into the fray to find Hank. Making herself super dense she becomes a living bullet or arrow, serving a similar purpose as Hawkeye. She located Hank from above and rockets in like a miniature missile. He’s getting overwhelmed by chitauri when all of a sudden they start dropping as Jan tears through them like a magic bullet. One remains and as she charges it we see a bright glow and she then emits a powerful blast of bioelectricy as the kills the alien. She regains her normal size, Hank gets to his fear and the team forms up around them in a moment of respite. Cap says “Mrs Pym” with a curt nod. In that moment Banner arrive via motor cycle and punches the leviathan. The teams assembled for the shot and then Cap call the play. Janet’s on over watch, the eye in the sky sniping strays and calling out bogeys, Hank is tasked with fighting his was to the tower and figuring out a way to close the portal. The rest plays out pretty much the same. Jan could easily fill similar roles to Widow as an effective spy and ground level SHIELD agent in movies like Winter Soldier, and Hank is equally as versatile. The best part here is, with all that ground work laid with Pym, Horton, and the synthetic man it’s the perfect roadmap to Hank creating Ultron and the synthetic body becoming Vision.
I actually think the 1st Ant-Man is fantastic but I absolutely am on the boat that Marvel, alongside the Hulk, has squandered the potential of Ant-Man & Wasp. The movies have some fantastic set pieces from the 1st Test & Yellowjacket Heist in the 1st film & the Car Chase & Kitchen Fight sequences in the 2nd.
but not a protagonist character driven , scott is always found to be in between hope and hank. they were always like "hey we are doing something and u are coming with us. "
I love the first Ant-Man. It feels like a proper comedy unlike many MCU movies where comedy feels like it’s been injected afterwards. I can’t deny that Edgar Wright’s film would have been better. Ant-Man and the Wasp feels like the type of MCU movie I mentioned, even though it has some proper comedy set ups. I still enjoy it to some degree, mostly because of Paul Rudd’s charm. Really hoping Quantummania is good
i bet yall saying this stuff about bubblew and nothing else to offer were also shitting on the mcu in phase 1 because it wasn't leading anywhere lmao. you know its a big universe and they have to take time to set stuff up right? its ok to not like phase 4 absolutely - but pretending like theres no where to go or that they werent go anywhere or anything is just false and ignoring reality. it makes no sense. they set up and world built in s4 (WHICH BY THE WAY IS WHAT THE MAJORITY OPINION WAS HEY WANTED DONE - MORE UNIVERSE BUILDING), and now they will give us kang and a more cohesive overall story like phase 1 - 3. Phase 4 was akin to phase 1
I will never understand them putting Goliath in Ant-Man and the Wasp, him mentioning he can also grow. And then doing absolutely nothing with that. He could have been anyone else and the film would remain the same. How much cooler would it have been for the film to end in a Kaiju fistfight between Giant-Man and Goliath?
The Ant-Man movies are easily some of my favorite Marvel movies, with Ant-Man and the Wasp possibly being in the top ten. They are much smaller and more personal than the majority of MCU world threats and I love pretty much every single main character in them.
honestly even though antman and the wasp wasn't a great movie, I never minded rewatching it because of Paul Rudd. I think regardless of how this movie turns out, Jonathan Majors and Paul Rudd's performances will be worth it and I'm so goddamn excited
The genius of Paul Rudd's casting as Ant-Man is never realized by the MCU. He was more known for his roles in Apatow comedies, 'Clueless', and as Brian Fantana, so the shift into superhero should've been interesting. But it's not at all the big jump, like say, from 'Moonlighting' to 16:15. Scott Lang just doesn't have anything to offer, beyond Rudd's charms. Even with Wright's influences as leftovers, I thought the first movie was still rather dry. I read somewhere that the writers tried to inject a bit of Danny Ocean into the character of Lang. Not only that we don't truly see this, it's the wrong Clooney-Soderbergh caper film to pick from --- Spoiling 'Out of Sight', Clooney's Jack Foley robbed a bank in a whim, being unable to land a job after prison. The scenario is similar to Lang already. Lang should've had more struggles with his assigned super power and responsibility. There was a scene in the movie where he used the suit to cheat on a gambling game with the Three Wombats. This scene, which would've display a bit more dimension to Lang, was cut. I did a re-write on this movie simply to highlight how it fell so short on its own potentials. But I'm still bitter we missed out on Edgar Wright's 'Ant-Man'. The man is known for visual gags and that'd surely benefit when the premise of your movie is a man shrinking down the size of an ant, because perspective would come into play. Also, Rudd in a Wright film would've been awesome. I still hope we'd get that, even if it's not Ant-Man.
I'm part of a dying breed who actually seems to enjoy the MCU nowadays. I'm a big comic nerd so it might just be that setting me apart from the rest of the crowd, but that probably isn't all of it. I liked eternals. I was a bit disappointed by gorr in thor 4 but his character in that movie served that movie well, even if he wasn't adapted well from the comics run which I do adore (check out pillar of garbage's video on gorr if you wanna know what I mean by this, he expresses it pretty well). For me, phase 4 really wasn't bad. And everything they've announced so far seems good. I've listened to a lot of criticism of phase 4, and none of it really seems to stick. Half the time, people are arguing directly contradictory things and it just made it hard to understand what people disliked about it, certainly not enough evidence to make me dislike it. And nowadays, people have basically moved on from trying to make a coherent argument and just talk about how the MCU is dead and everything they make is garbage as if that's like an established fact. It's just exhausting. Thanks for being so positive about ant man, I'm not really directing this at you FFV, this is more just me venting some frustrations
I definitely don't agree with the first Ant-Man being a dull outlier in its phase. It was a fun heist movie that had lower-stakes and still retained some Edgar Wright DNA. While I rate the sequel lower than other movies, there's no way that it's worse than Thor 2 and Iron Man 2. I'm pretty sure the director even said he doesn't want people to see Quntumania as an afterthought like many did for the first two movies.
Right!!! If someone said they didn’t like it, whatever. I can’t force someone to force someone to like something. But to say something so asinine as it was the worst MCU film for years is a truly intellectually dishonest statement and argument.
Me personally I don’t mind Thor the dark world and I kinda liked Captain Marvel, but Ant Man and the Wasp I couldn’t even finish, since then Thor Love and Thunder dethroned all of this
The Ant-man fight sequences in the first movie, particularly the toy one in the the first movie, were really creative, and I think that was a major misstep for Ant-man and the Wasp.
Honestly after only hearing bad things about Ant Man & the sequel I finally watched them in preparation for Quantumania and I feel like everybody is crazy. They are both super fun movies, the first one is just a solid heist movie and I had NO idea about the actual ants... and then the second movie was a little goofier but still very enjoyable, moved along at a solid pace, and Ghost was portrayed in a pretty visually interesting way. Both of them were way better than the vocal cultural opinion seemed to suggest.
honestly the ant man series might be the ones with the most diverse opinions. I agree with you tho - theyre awesome and i just rewatched both in preperation for quantamania so theyre fresh on my mind too
I baffled by the hate for Ant-Man 2. Incredibly brisk pace, fun, goofy and some action set pieces that finally live up to the potential of an ant man adventure.
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Antman is a favorite of mine since Gaurdians 1- Civil War was my on ramp to the franchise and I love the character. I'm not a big fan of Edgar Wright so that part never bothered me. Antman and the Wasp isn't great Marvel but I always find it fun, and the chemistry really works. I'm excited for the movie and I expect it to be the best one of the trilogy to date.
As someone who saw civil war a few months before I really got into marvel, that must've been an interesting place to start. Nothing really makes sense without at least a few movies of background, I mostly just watched it for the cool fight scenes, I was so confused the whole time
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 Love your username. I had only seen Iron Man and my brother had only seen Avengers so we were a little lost but it wasn't too hard to keep up. I always thought the whole" can't catchup thing was a little silly but that was just my situation.
I love the Ant-Man movies. They're primarily comedies first than just trying to inject comedy at moments throughout the movie for good or ill, and they're just generally fun romps. They're pretty low stakes in terms of the greater MCU, but the heart is always there with Scott Lang having to overcome conflicts he keeps getting pulled into that prevent him him from just living a normal life, being a law-abiding citizen, and of course being a great father to Cassie. Even though we don't have Pym Particles, there are definitely periods in life where everything just seems to keep going wrong or getting in the way of your goals, but with some ingenuity, we can overcome those obstacles. Quantumania looks like it's going to finally allow him to make a choice to gain control of his life, but he has to stop himself from making a decision that will make everyone else's lives worse just for his to be better. It looks to be the most serious of the Ant-Man movies, and also more impactful to the greater MCU, and even though he's already helped right the wrongs from Infinity War in Endgame, hopefully whatever happens in Quantumania will impact everything else going forward in a whole new way. I'm excited, and I'm trying to stay reserved just so that I don't overhype it in my mind before seeing the movie.
Agreed with your take. I was genuinely bored watching Ant-Man & The Wasp. I only watched it recently out of obligation to prepare for Quantumania. Firing Wright was Marvel's biggest mistake; almost firing Gunn was their second, and it showed that Marvel has learned nothing about trusting their artists.
@@ericericson5633 I agree with your sentiment but dont be wierd about it... someone liking something you dont i.e. someone not being in your group doesnt make them stupid it makes you tribal/racist. Them being stupid is what makes them stupid.
@@ericericson5633 i mean apparently... if you catagorize people and project opinions and negative traits to people because of that group thats what racism is. Everyone is racist to a certain extent though so you being self aware about it is pretty cool
I much prefer the sequel to the original. They capitalize more on the fun power set (the kitchen fight, the shrinking car chase) whereas the first seemed to spend too much time in sterile labs and hallways. Plus the villain of the first is generic and forgettable.
Ant-man to me seems like a character that would have a wealth of creativity with the powers of Ant-man. Yet none of what I’ve seen in the mcu, besides some fun stuff in the first one, has made me think they’re truly tapped into that creativity.
I enjoyed all 3. It's hard to not do full CGI sometimes w COVID so I give that a break, I just really like the cast chemistry and seeing him be way more important than we ever thought he'd be
'Quantumania' looks less like Marvel correcting their past mistakes, and more of a general attempt to grasp a direction for MCU as a whole. Marvel is dumping away what few charms 'Ant-Man' has for a wrong move. The problem wasn't the smaller scale and low stakes, it's lack of agency and style. 2015's 'Ant-Man' stood overall solid, but putting Falcon in it chips away a chunk of its standing. His role in 'Civil War', while hilarious, is pointless. 'Ant-Man & the Wasp' stood on the leftovers of 'Civil War' and as a set-up for 'Endgame'. 'Quantumania' features the villain of the next 'Avengers' movies as the main antagonist. The status quo has not changed for Ant-Man. Perhaps I should judge by the movie itself first, but there was something radical in the shift between 'The First Avenger' and 'The Winter Soldier', and between 'The Dark World' and 'Ragnarok'. 'Quantumania' doesn't have it.
Scott is best thing and problem with Antman. In a team up he’s a joiner and has unique on screen powers that make him interesting. But I’m his movies he’s reacting. Hank is why the movie happens and Scott just happens to fight in the suit. He’s a reactive protagonist not an active one
Am I the only one who thinks the new one is losing something special for Ant Man? I feel like the scenes of him being big or small in relation to real objects, like toys or cars, is a huge part of the charm. By putting him in a cgi world for most of the movie he just seems like any of the other cosmic characters. I dunno. I actually like his movies quite a bit.
I genuinely do not understand the hate for Antman and The Wasp. I really like that movie. Sure there are plenty of MCU movies I'd rank above it but I certainly wouldn't say it was the worst MCU movie of the time. I think Thor: Dark World would like a word. I don't hate that movie either but it's just so forgetable I'd say that makes it much worse.
Why did they let him keep the suit after Civil War anyway? The man destroyed a plane and several trucks and could probably be labeled a terrorist. Why would they let him keep the suit?
Reviews are terrifying me about this movie. I was so excited but now I am scared about this movie. I hope I enjoy it. But personally I thought the first one was a great redemption story. And the second one was just a decent cute family film. I think smaller scale family movies give the franchise a unique and charming identity. I hope this movie keeps the family identity of the franchise and gives a thrilling climax to the trilogy
The mcu getting all these new fans is while great for Disney but also terrible because most of these people weren’t along for the journey to see the mcu had a lot of misses in each phase. Also a lot of people try to be contrarians when talking about current marvel to stand out when it’s like no you don’t have to do that to make friends 💀💀💀
Tbh, I've always appreciated the Ant Man movies for being less entangled with the ballooning stakes of the other MCU heroes; they almost feel like those lumpy experimental Phase One movies. I'm going to wait until its out on streaming to try Quantumania, but if anything, I'm put off by how Kinda Guardians of the Galaxy this microverse feels, how it looks like Every Cosmic CG Fest the MCU puts out.
Antman 3 has the potential to the best superhero movie. Though I’m sure it will come up short but should still be best of the last 2 years of okay Marvel movies & shows.
My takeaway of this from the handling of the MCU universe is that Kevin Feige is their answer to Jim Shooter's contribution to the Marvel comics in the 1980's. He ran a tight ship, but it was under a fair and responsible hand for the most part. Some alternative creative choices and ideas were tough to put to pen and paper at times, but that must have been the price to pay for having a unified vision of the entire story from a big picture point of view. Is this a good solution? Not entirely. Edgar Wright is a fantastic director with a body of work that could be analyzed from all the details and touches he's put into his editing and other elements. But the films hold up together in Marvel's universe as opposed to say, Saban and his handing of the Power Rangers, especially the producers' mandates towards the series.
I love the Ant-Man films tbh, especially the first. They're not my favourite MCU films, but I always enjoy watching them - I love the heist theme, the comedy, the action, the characters, etc.
Antman movies don’t necessarily pop out but they are charmingly underrated. Like his movies and arch’s Arn’t necessarily world changing like the cap, iron man, Thor or Spider-Man trilogies but it’s the little things that keep you invested. At least for me.
So as someone who very much likes the first two films, I think it's unfair to criticize a film for what it is not. Edgar wright ant man one, and quantamania as film two do not exist, and we have no idea if they would actually be good. Ant man one works, it's a fun heist movie with a likeable cast, memorable action, and they do a lot with the two scales the main character exists at. Ant Man and the Wasp is a fun light hearted romp with a man trying to atone for the hurt he caused while doing the right thing. They have never been the heaviest films in the mcu, and that's in part by design. Scott is a small man in a big world dealing with small stakes, and big egos. They might not be perfect, but they are neither the low point of the mcu, or 'missing their potential' Iron man 2 was directionless, Thor the Dark World had a conflict where the stakes, tone, and plot were constantly discordant, Age of Ultron felt bloated under the weight of studio obligation. Ant man as a franchise is fine.
his arc is clearly becoming a hero and never getting actual respect in the team ups as legitimate hero which cultminates in him taking on kang in kang dynasty proving that he is on their level
The first Ant-Man is actually my favorite MCU movie because of just how different it truly is from other projects in the universe. It is another comedic Marvel movie, but it’s comedy is different from the rest of the MCU by slowly winding down when a serious moment approaches and slowly winding back up when it’s time to get back to the more lighthearted tone. It is also a more personal movie that isn’t dependent on connections to the wider universe and is proud to be in its own more self-contained corner of the universe. Coming right off of Age of Ultron, this movie showed me the true value of smaller stories without in-your-face connections to the wider universe and constant attempts to up the spectacle. However, Ant-Man and the Wasp is my least favorite MCU movie because it does the exact opposite of what makes me love the first one by being the worst offender of the overused Marvel formula. It’s humor is the same generic humor style that interrupts everything, even in serious and emotional moments to tell a joke. It’s plot is also completely dependent on Civil War, and constantly reminds you within the movie that it is connected to Civil War. The first Ant-Man is content with being its own unique project in and of itself, while Ant-Man and the Wasp seems like it was only made to remind everyone that Civil War existed and to set up the Quantum Realm in Endgame.
Yeah, Ant man and the Wasp deffo felt like it had to handle too many villains and had little stakes it felt like a filler episode kinda like Eternals or Capt Marvel
There's no conundrum here. You wish there was an Edgar right? Ant-Man isn't a real slight against the fact that you have a competent origin movie. Ant-Man and the wasp had the inevitable task of being the pallet cleanser before infinity war. Why would he have huge big problems in either of his individual movies before he's a quote" avenger? Everything you say basically makes the case for these being pretty good films that fit well into the overarching universe of stories No conundrum
Ant Man and the Wasp...the worst MCU movie? Ok, we fundamentally disagree there. I mean...Thor the Dark World exists? Hell, I like the Incredible Hulk a lot more than other people and even I think that's of a comparable quality but maybe not as good as the Ant Man sequel. Very different films, yeah, but still.
It definitely seem like there is more give an take when it comes to marvel compared to other movies. You can be creative but only up a certain point and within a certain range so me directors can navigate that and others can’t.
I think Ant-Man peaked with the toy train crash, maybe the “wassuup” from 2. I doubt I’ll be seeing this in theaters, they’ve kind of spoiled the way the story will turn. Would’ve been better if they left Scott siding with Kang up in the air, instead of showing their final battle
1:04 ehhh wait....since when anyone have EVER said that? when ever people talk of bad MCU films (then and NOW) the usual subjects are...Iron Man 2 and 3, Thor Dark World, Captain Marvel, And now days pick you chose between any phase 4 film or show, you will never guess wrong on that........but Antman and the Wasp been consider the worst MCU film (specially over Captain Marvel at that time?) maybe in your head man, I never heard anyone saying that, at worst people put this one as harmful entertainment or just a forgettable flick.....but never say is bad.
I enjoyed Ant Man 1 purely cos I had no real expectations and it was a fun change of pace for Marvel. Like Spiderman Homecoming, it was good to have a Marvel film that didn't have the same stakes as an Avengers, Iron Man or Captain America film. Michael Peña as Luis was also brilliant 😂 Ant Man and the Wasp though was very forgettable though.
Would've love interactions with Hank Pym & Tony Stark, we hear about their bad blood because he's a Stark, that's it! Douglas looks great with the de-aging, forget he can be a good actor, when given good material. Lang should've been his protégé, with Pfeiffer (?) also de-aged as Wasp. Atleast for a movie, the Cold War scenes seemed so interesting, but closer to the end so he can still got toe-to-toe with Stark in Iron-Man 2 and 3, small banters on the phone, in scene or a full on fight, Iron-Man v Ant-Man. Planting the seed for Lang, a period heist at the end of the Cold War with weight with some levity. End credit, gloss over a Ultron flash drive. He creates Ultron, Father-Son dynamic (maybe not call it "Age of Ultron" considering it's a short age) maybe... Rise of Ultron, Ultron is saved for a future movie, eventually fusing with Pym. Rudd's comedy is sometimes a hindrance, as he plays himself which is always likable but sometimes forgettable. Later, Lang can go toe-to-toe with his Mentor, Pym as the Antagonist for an Avenger's movie. With a hard PG-13. Sorry for my rant.
I mean personally I find both ant man movies fun and entertaining. Even though they’re not the best I can always count on having a good time with them. And truthfully that’s better than a lot of the stuff marvel has put out post endgame.
With DC really embracing the multiverse and elseworld stories and Marvel already embracing the multiverse, I’d really like to see Marvel take a page out of DC and make a totally disconnected Ant-Man with Edgar Wright directing.
Personaly I'm in the minority but I actually preferred it over alot of the mcu movies. I'm unique in as much as I've only seen about half of the MCU and interconnected universes, crossovers the charging character can be a turn. I'm a busy man who works long hours and watches a few films and doesn't want to have to have watched alot of fils or TV show to understand the film. I also want to see something that is unique. Both antman fils did that. They felt scaled back they stood on their own and they were lightheated and the superheroes had unique superpowers. Personally I enjoyed the first two films so I will likely watch the third. I do have a concern that the film makers will be trying to set up future stories instead of telling a fun self contained story nd I'm concerned that the special effects that don't wow me will overshadow the character. Personally I understand I represent a minority in that I just stumbled upon this video and fit into a demographic that these fils are not made or marketed to.
The car chase scene in AntMan and The Wasp is underrated. I like The AntMan movies. I enjoy them as little side quest in the MCU. Could they have more stakes yes, could they be more tense and dramatically emotional yes, but enjoy them for their lighter funnier tone. Paul Rudd is just a comedic win every time.
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I’ve always liked his movies as well
Not to mention the great score from them.
Same
Ant-Man is more memorable and likeable to me than Starlord has ever been
My favorite aspect of the Ant Man films is how rewatch- able they are for me. They’re lighthearted, low stake MCU films that honestly we could use more of nowadays. I’m getting really tired of each and every MCU film being these massive planet/universe changing events over and over again. Sometimes you just need a small scale ground level battle on a random street corner in New York City, amongst all the insane green screen magical chaos in every other movie. Which is also why I really enjoyed Hawkeye!
Yeah you can turn them on after a hard rough day and genuinely laugh and just kick back with a low stakes movie. I love that it's a small comedy that surprisingly has some heart to it if you dig a little. It reminds me of Honey I Shrunk The Kids.
Low stakes, lightheart and small scale is where Antman should operate. But those are no excuse why his movies have been boring and low on style.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom I get it you want more from them. Nothing wrong with that. I just enjoy them for what they are.
Well the thing with high stakes is it's code for "no stakes".
Yeah I was really worried they would destroy the entire multiverse in Ant-Man 3 the first movie of phase five. Really got me there marvel.
If the movie was about idk something like trying to save a city from a gang of terrorists I'd be concerned because there's a good amount of people involved and it's small scale enough to were it's be believable if not everyone made it out okay.
I love that Edgar Wright said: "I wanted to make a Marvel movie, but Marvel didn't want to make an Edgar Wright movie." The man knows what he's doing.
Marvel let James Gunn do a James Gunn movie so letting Wright go is still baffling to me.
Ant-Man and The Wasp may not be the most interesting MCU characters but they have the most unique superpowers out of most of the Avengers. Shrinking and growing themselves while also shrinking and growing anything else? AND communicating with different races of ants who have their own "powers" and using them as sidekicks? That's so freaking cool!
I think uniqueness of the entire premise was never truly realized. And I do think that's what Edgar Wright intended to do.
I liked Ant-Man's movies and felt they were underrated. His debut saw Scott struggling with the stigma of a criminal record, even though he didn't hurt anybody. He deals with having a less-than-kind mentor who is risking Scott's life because he doesn't want to risk his daughter. While we jump right into Scott as Ant-Man, the movie hints at Pym's legacy as Ant-Man.
As another nice bit for the movie, Scott's ex-wife isn't dating who isn't a jerk for the purpose of driving her back into Scott's arms.
I don't see Ant-Man & The Wasp as boring. Scott is dealing with trying to handle a job, all while he's been roped into another job for Hank Pym. At first, it comes off as a pointless diversion, until Scott points out that if this security firm job fails, then he and his buddies aren't going to get new chances for jobs anytime soon.
The Ghost has the motivation of not wanting to die. I'm confused as to how that is a generic motive. I loved her and Bill as characters. In a different movie, they would be the superhero mentor duo and Hank Pym would be the villain because the sequel emphasizes that he is a real jerk. But ultimately Hank is just a jerk, not a villain, and he accepts that he has been a rotten person to everyone around him.
It is an easy solution to have Janet save the Ghost, but we didn't want to see the Ghost die. Well, I didn't.
But this is just my opinion. You are entitled to your own and just like what is and isn't funny is subjective, so what is and isn't boring.
The Ant-Man movies were lighthearted, fun, and funny in a way that the Spiderman movies weren't, for me. The best part of both of them was, of course, the fifth-person POV stories, but I just generally enjoyed the movies more than most others. Particularly in the post-Age of Ultron setting.
Honestly, I think Ant-Man and Wasp could have worked quite well as replacements for Widow and Hawkeye in Avengers. Not only are the two actually founding Avengers in the original comics, but they are also flagship members of the first Ultimates roster; the Avengers styled team from the Ultimate Comics that the MCU built it’s whole foundation on. I would have kept Rudd and Lily but changed them to be a married Hank and Janet Pym. Then using the same narrative of the ultimate comics like the MCU did with Bruce have the Pyms get named dropped in Incredible Hulk. Banner is working on recreating the Super Soldier Serum but is struggling to find success. A frustrated Ross visits him in the lab and says something like “Banner, you better produce some results soon or I’ll have to give your funding to the Pyms”. This makes Banner desperate, resulting in taking dangerous risks that result in the Hulk. At the end Tony still visits Ross, they have the same encounter but Ross also says that the Army is already working on a new project and on the bar you see a file reading “project Goliath”. So Banner is considered a failure at this point, but SHIELD is watching him, Abomination is locked up and the Super Soldier endeavor has been handed to the Pyms. We learn the Pyms are a husband and wife team of brilliant scientists. Hank a renowned microbiologist and Janet a successful entomologist. Janet, through her breakthrough work with insects like wasps, spiders, and silk worms was able to invent a variety of versatile and cutting edge materials from new types of papers and cardboards that are eco friendly and don’t require trees, to amazing lightweight and extremely durable fabrics with countless applications. Janet was able to use these inventions to found several successful corporations including a large textile and clothing company which has made the couple quite wealthy. Hank has worked mostly in defense, with the goal of improving the American soldier at the cellular level by working on things like creating a more robust immune system, minimizing the need for sleep, increasing pain tolerance and making fighting men more efficient. He also in technology miniaturization as well. We eventually learn that Hank studied under a Professor and mentor name Phineas Horton. Horton was also an early member of SHIELD when he was younger. Gifted in many disciplines, Horton also sought to make the perfect fighting man, but from the ground up. With SHIELD he worked alongside Howard Stark and encountered Cap’s shield prototype in Howard’s lab early on. Horton was fascinated but Howard told him it was the only known sample of an immensely rare element they knew almost nothing about. Horton studied it at the molecular level and believed this element held the answers to creating his synthetic man. He could not use the Vibranium itself unfortunately, but armed with what he learned about its structure and composition he got to work synthesizing the building blocks of his perfect soldier. This would come to be known a the Horton Cell; atomically perfect synthetic cells with amazing and superhuman capabilities, properties and characteristics. Horton was able to build a body from the cells, but he could not bring it to life. Later, while aiding Howard in his study of the tesseract and design of the arc reactor he believed this power source could be the very thing to breathe life into his creation. He succeeded in integrating into the man a matrix that could withstand and circulate such energies, and even a conduit and housing to contain the eventual battery like source. But in the end he and Howard both failed to effectively and stably harness the power of the cube. So in the end Horton’s creation became a side show exhibit at the Stark Expo. Decades later, after studying under Horton’s tutelage Hank Pym gains access to the Horton Cell research during his military work on the Super Soldier Serum. Upon learning of the amazing synthetic cell and the unbelievable things it could be capable of, Pym saw a new possibility. The Horton Cell was designed to create a man of impossible strength, near invulnerability,endowed with amazing speed and power, but most impressive was an ability to control it’s own molecular structure to a achieve states like intangibility and immense density for example. But it seemed the cell lacked a powerhouse and the synthetic man could not be brought to life. Pym wondered what would have if Horton Cells were integrated into living organic men. To avoid the cells burning out a human body he had the idea to integrate some of Dr. Banner’s work with radiation. Pym runs a test on a primate and the results are profound, but the animal is quickly burned out, its heart failing. Throwing caution to the wind Hank injects himself. The feeling is intoxicating, he feels strong, powerful, euphoric, he feels….big. It’s with that very thought he’s overcome with a strange sensation and within moments Hank has grown to 10ft tall, still perfectly proportioned, and with immense physical strength. Upon this breakthrough Hank is recruited for the Avengers Initiative. Loki arrives and the team is gathered, following similar beats. Hank can even be the one briefly manipulated by Loki until Janet helps him overcome the mind control. Now, at this point I would have him essentially walk around as perpetually like 8 foot tall like he does in the comics, and we would yet to have seen him shrink before. The fight in New York commences and everybody is doing their thing, Hank is brawling, maybe he grows a bit but doesn’t break like 12 feet at this point. The fight reaches a fever pitch where the team is on the back foot, Jan is on the helicarrier and panics and injects herself with what is now being called the Pym Particle Serum. But upon injection, Janet instinctively shrinks rather than grows, and discovers she can fly. She zips out of the helicarrier and into the fray to find Hank. Making herself super dense she becomes a living bullet or arrow, serving a similar purpose as Hawkeye. She located Hank from above and rockets in like a miniature missile. He’s getting overwhelmed by chitauri when all of a sudden they start dropping as Jan tears through them like a magic bullet. One remains and as she charges it we see a bright glow and she then emits a powerful blast of bioelectricy as the kills the alien. She regains her normal size, Hank gets to his fear and the team forms up around them in a moment of respite. Cap says “Mrs Pym” with a curt nod. In that moment Banner arrive via motor cycle and punches the leviathan. The teams assembled for the shot and then Cap call the play. Janet’s on over watch, the eye in the sky sniping strays and calling out bogeys, Hank is tasked with fighting his was to the tower and figuring out a way to close the portal. The rest plays out pretty much the same. Jan could easily fill similar roles to Widow as an effective spy and ground level SHIELD agent in movies like Winter Soldier, and Hank is equally as versatile. The best part here is, with all that ground work laid with Pym, Horton, and the synthetic man it’s the perfect roadmap to Hank creating Ultron and the synthetic body becoming Vision.
I actually think the 1st Ant-Man is fantastic but I absolutely am on the boat that Marvel, alongside the Hulk, has squandered the potential of Ant-Man & Wasp. The movies have some fantastic set pieces from the 1st Test & Yellowjacket Heist in the 1st film & the Car Chase & Kitchen Fight sequences in the 2nd.
The Ant-Man movies are the best. They’re character driven rather than mindless action. They’re sweet, funny, sentimental, and a great watch.
but not a protagonist character driven , scott is always found to be in between hope and hank.
they were always like "hey we are doing something and u are coming with us. "
Endgame made him a player. The whole film being a time-heist was all because of his franchise. The third Ant-Man film has to honour that.
He was awesome in EG
Agreed
I love the first Ant-Man. It feels like a proper comedy unlike many MCU movies where comedy feels like it’s been injected afterwards. I can’t deny that Edgar Wright’s film would have been better. Ant-Man and the Wasp feels like the type of MCU movie I mentioned, even though it has some proper comedy set ups. I still enjoy it to some degree, mostly because of Paul Rudd’s charm. Really hoping Quantummania is good
Everything was heading towards INFINITY WAR and ENDGAME
Now the MCU became one big bubble, ready to burst
Disney stocks: We’re in the endgame now
How will this affect the future of the DCU?
is this supposed to say the mcu has no plan rn
@@bananaking664 more like they have nothing else to offer
i bet yall saying this stuff about bubblew and nothing else to offer were also shitting on the mcu in phase 1 because it wasn't leading anywhere lmao. you know its a big universe and they have to take time to set stuff up right? its ok to not like phase 4 absolutely - but pretending like theres no where to go or that they werent go anywhere or anything is just false and ignoring reality. it makes no sense. they set up and world built in s4 (WHICH BY THE WAY IS WHAT THE MAJORITY OPINION WAS HEY WANTED DONE - MORE UNIVERSE BUILDING), and now they will give us kang and a more cohesive overall story like phase 1 - 3. Phase 4 was akin to phase 1
I will never understand them putting Goliath in Ant-Man and the Wasp, him mentioning he can also grow. And then doing absolutely nothing with that. He could have been anyone else and the film would remain the same. How much cooler would it have been for the film to end in a Kaiju fistfight between Giant-Man and Goliath?
The Ant-Man movies are easily some of my favorite Marvel movies, with Ant-Man and the Wasp possibly being in the top ten. They are much smaller and more personal than the majority of MCU world threats and I love pretty much every single main character in them.
honestly even though antman and the wasp wasn't a great movie, I never minded rewatching it because of Paul Rudd. I think regardless of how this movie turns out, Jonathan Majors and Paul Rudd's performances will be worth it and I'm so goddamn excited
The genius of Paul Rudd's casting as Ant-Man is never realized by the MCU. He was more known for his roles in Apatow comedies, 'Clueless', and as Brian Fantana, so the shift into superhero should've been interesting. But it's not at all the big jump, like say, from 'Moonlighting' to 16:15.
Scott Lang just doesn't have anything to offer, beyond Rudd's charms. Even with Wright's influences as leftovers, I thought the first movie was still rather dry. I read somewhere that the writers tried to inject a bit of Danny Ocean into the character of Lang. Not only that we don't truly see this, it's the wrong Clooney-Soderbergh caper film to pick from --- Spoiling 'Out of Sight', Clooney's Jack Foley robbed a bank in a whim, being unable to land a job after prison. The scenario is similar to Lang already.
Lang should've had more struggles with his assigned super power and responsibility. There was a scene in the movie where he used the suit to cheat on a gambling game with the Three Wombats. This scene, which would've display a bit more dimension to Lang, was cut.
I did a re-write on this movie simply to highlight how it fell so short on its own potentials. But I'm still bitter we missed out on Edgar Wright's 'Ant-Man'. The man is known for visual gags and that'd surely benefit when the premise of your movie is a man shrinking down the size of an ant, because perspective would come into play. Also, Rudd in a Wright film would've been awesome. I still hope we'd get that, even if it's not Ant-Man.
I'm part of a dying breed who actually seems to enjoy the MCU nowadays. I'm a big comic nerd so it might just be that setting me apart from the rest of the crowd, but that probably isn't all of it. I liked eternals. I was a bit disappointed by gorr in thor 4 but his character in that movie served that movie well, even if he wasn't adapted well from the comics run which I do adore (check out pillar of garbage's video on gorr if you wanna know what I mean by this, he expresses it pretty well).
For me, phase 4 really wasn't bad. And everything they've announced so far seems good. I've listened to a lot of criticism of phase 4, and none of it really seems to stick. Half the time, people are arguing directly contradictory things and it just made it hard to understand what people disliked about it, certainly not enough evidence to make me dislike it. And nowadays, people have basically moved on from trying to make a coherent argument and just talk about how the MCU is dead and everything they make is garbage as if that's like an established fact. It's just exhausting.
Thanks for being so positive about ant man, I'm not really directing this at you FFV, this is more just me venting some frustrations
1:03 "held the trophy for worst MCU movie" I've never heard that before
thats a funny way of saying thor the dark world
I still wish that the OG Ant-Man got to be directed by Edgar Wright.
@@somerandolad I think Wright would be a good candidate to direct DCU's The Authority.
I definitely don't agree with the first Ant-Man being a dull outlier in its phase. It was a fun heist movie that had lower-stakes and still retained some Edgar Wright DNA. While I rate the sequel lower than other movies, there's no way that it's worse than Thor 2 and Iron Man 2. I'm pretty sure the director even said he doesn't want people to see Quntumania as an afterthought like many did for the first two movies.
Or captain marvel
Antman and Wasp was the worst mcu for a few years? Who was voting on that? Thor dark world clears that by a mile.
Right!!! If someone said they didn’t like it, whatever. I can’t force someone to force someone to like something. But to say something so asinine as it was the worst MCU film for years is a truly intellectually dishonest statement and argument.
Captain Marvel is far worse. That movie still have the title of the worst MCU film imo
Me personally I don’t mind Thor the dark world and I kinda liked Captain Marvel, but Ant Man and the Wasp I couldn’t even finish, since then Thor Love and Thunder dethroned all of this
@@touroleite9920 captain marvel? wao that´s the one i couldn´t even finish
@@arturocastroverde3349 nah Iron Man 2 and Eternals are worse than Captain Marvel
The Ant-man fight sequences in the first movie, particularly the toy one in the the first movie, were really creative, and I think that was a major misstep for Ant-man and the Wasp.
Honestly after only hearing bad things about Ant Man & the sequel I finally watched them in preparation for Quantumania and I feel like everybody is crazy. They are both super fun movies, the first one is just a solid heist movie and I had NO idea about the actual ants... and then the second movie was a little goofier but still very enjoyable, moved along at a solid pace, and Ghost was portrayed in a pretty visually interesting way. Both of them were way better than the vocal cultural opinion seemed to suggest.
honestly the ant man series might be the ones with the most diverse opinions. I agree with you tho - theyre awesome and i just rewatched both in preperation for quantamania so theyre fresh on my mind too
I baffled by the hate for Ant-Man 2. Incredibly brisk pace, fun, goofy and some action set pieces that finally live up to the potential of an ant man adventure.
The subtitles get off around a 1:30, when the sponsored segment starts - they keep going with the script that restarts after, and so they end up about a minute and a half off. If you actually see this, then thanks!
I'm still gutted that we never saw what Wright had in mind for Ant Man
14:20 I was caught so off guard by this edit. Wtf? 🤣🤣🤣
I will always hate marvel for pushing edgar wright away from directing Antman those absolute bafoons
@6:18 I mean literally all of the best parts of Antman are from Edgar's vision we were so robbed
Antman is a favorite of mine since Gaurdians 1- Civil War was my on ramp to the franchise and I love the character. I'm not a big fan of Edgar Wright so that part never bothered me. Antman and the Wasp isn't great Marvel but I always find it fun, and the chemistry really works. I'm excited for the movie and I expect it to be the best one of the trilogy to date.
As someone who saw civil war a few months before I really got into marvel, that must've been an interesting place to start. Nothing really makes sense without at least a few movies of background, I mostly just watched it for the cool fight scenes, I was so confused the whole time
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 Love your username. I had only seen Iron Man and my brother had only seen Avengers so we were a little lost but it wasn't too hard to keep up. I always thought the whole" can't catchup thing was a little silly but that was just my situation.
I love Paul Rudd he’s the only reason I even care about Ant-Man tbh
Same. That last ant man movie was soo bad. But wow it really just blends in to how bad all of phase 4 was
@@clemensprod.5756 no
@@Antwannnn yes
Facts
The environments (Or backgrounds, more accurately) look like mush.
I love the Ant-Man movies. They're primarily comedies first than just trying to inject comedy at moments throughout the movie for good or ill, and they're just generally fun romps. They're pretty low stakes in terms of the greater MCU, but the heart is always there with Scott Lang having to overcome conflicts he keeps getting pulled into that prevent him him from just living a normal life, being a law-abiding citizen, and of course being a great father to Cassie. Even though we don't have Pym Particles, there are definitely periods in life where everything just seems to keep going wrong or getting in the way of your goals, but with some ingenuity, we can overcome those obstacles.
Quantumania looks like it's going to finally allow him to make a choice to gain control of his life, but he has to stop himself from making a decision that will make everyone else's lives worse just for his to be better. It looks to be the most serious of the Ant-Man movies, and also more impactful to the greater MCU, and even though he's already helped right the wrongs from Infinity War in Endgame, hopefully whatever happens in Quantumania will impact everything else going forward in a whole new way. I'm excited, and I'm trying to stay reserved just so that I don't overhype it in my mind before seeing the movie.
Agreed with your take. I was genuinely bored watching Ant-Man & The Wasp. I only watched it recently out of obligation to prepare for Quantumania. Firing Wright was Marvel's biggest mistake; almost firing Gunn was their second, and it showed that Marvel has learned nothing about trusting their artists.
Huh... Never thought about it before, but now I think it's weird how Scott doesn't speak in an electronic voice through his helmet.
Quantumania is essentially Janet's fault because she kept quiet about Kang.
7:48 made me fucking burst out laughing. You had some hilarious edits in this one that balanced with your genuine thoughts really well
Canundrum? These movies are so simple... if you're viewing them in any way that causes a "conundrum" you're watching it wrong
He doesn't know what conundrum means. He just said it to sound clever. A lot of Snyder/Nolan fans do this.
@@ericericson5633 I agree with your sentiment but dont be wierd about it... someone liking something you dont i.e. someone not being in your group doesnt make them stupid it makes you tribal/racist. Them being stupid is what makes them stupid.
@@aroccoification I'm often told that I'm unbelievably racist. 😂👍
@@ericericson5633 i mean apparently... if you catagorize people and project opinions and negative traits to people because of that group thats what racism is. Everyone is racist to a certain extent though so you being self aware about it is pretty cool
I much prefer the sequel to the original. They capitalize more on the fun power set (the kitchen fight, the shrinking car chase) whereas the first seemed to spend too much time in sterile labs and hallways. Plus the villain of the first is generic and forgettable.
Antman and the wasps issue is that it came right after infinity war. So of course it would be boring going
Ant-man to me seems like a character that would have a wealth of creativity with the powers of Ant-man. Yet none of what I’ve seen in the mcu, besides some fun stuff in the first one, has made me think they’re truly tapped into that creativity.
Yeah, that's why Edgar Wright wanted to do the movie.
I like both of the Ant Man movies I like that their smaller family friendly movies with lower stakes
No way was Ant-Man and The Wasp worse then Captain Marvel. Yeah it wasn't te best, but wow!
I enjoyed all 3. It's hard to not do full CGI sometimes w COVID so I give that a break, I just really like the cast chemistry and seeing him be way more important than we ever thought he'd be
1:02
The Dark World had already been released and theatrical releases haven't gotten any worse than that.
Are the captions on this completely messed up for anyone else?
Hey, this movie isn't mostly a "green screen candyland."
It's also a Volume candyland.
Antman is to this day one of my favorite mcu origin movies it just has so many got story beats
Bad news, mate. 😬
Haha yep, video incoming next week
You articulated all the issues I had with Ant-Man so well. I really hope Quantumania delivers
Thanks for watching!
'Quantumania' looks less like Marvel correcting their past mistakes, and more of a general attempt to grasp a direction for MCU as a whole.
Marvel is dumping away what few charms 'Ant-Man' has for a wrong move. The problem wasn't the smaller scale and low stakes, it's lack of agency and style. 2015's 'Ant-Man' stood overall solid, but putting Falcon in it chips away a chunk of its standing. His role in 'Civil War', while hilarious, is pointless. 'Ant-Man & the Wasp' stood on the leftovers of 'Civil War' and as a set-up for 'Endgame'.
'Quantumania' features the villain of the next 'Avengers' movies as the main antagonist. The status quo has not changed for Ant-Man. Perhaps I should judge by the movie itself first, but there was something radical in the shift between 'The First Avenger' and 'The Winter Soldier', and between 'The Dark World' and 'Ragnarok'. 'Quantumania' doesn't have it.
Scott is best thing and problem with Antman. In a team up he’s a joiner and has unique on screen powers that make him interesting. But I’m his movies he’s reacting. Hank is why the movie happens and Scott just happens to fight in the suit. He’s a reactive protagonist not an active one
@Full Fat Videos - Just as a side note, something is wonky with the closed captioning. The captions seem to be a few minutes ahead of the audio.
I wish the sponsor bee intro was literally just a digression into your apparent love of bees
There is no way that either ant-man movie is worse than Thor 2.
Antman is my new Spiderman: The relatable hero.
I liked that the old movies were low stakes because not every movie needs the world to end. However the emotional stakes should be high I agree
He said 'YE- "NO!"
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Conundrumania
Am I the only one who thinks the new one is losing something special for Ant Man? I feel like the scenes of him being big or small in relation to real objects, like toys or cars, is a huge part of the charm. By putting him in a cgi world for most of the movie he just seems like any of the other cosmic characters. I dunno. I actually like his movies quite a bit.
I genuinely do not understand the hate for Antman and The Wasp. I really like that movie. Sure there are plenty of MCU movies I'd rank above it but I certainly wouldn't say it was the worst MCU movie of the time. I think Thor: Dark World would like a word. I don't hate that movie either but it's just so forgetable I'd say that makes it much worse.
I’d much rather watch dark world personally
Why did they let him keep the suit after Civil War anyway? The man destroyed a plane and several trucks and could probably be labeled a terrorist. Why would they let him keep the suit?
Reviews are terrifying me about this movie. I was so excited but now I am scared about this movie. I hope I enjoy it. But personally I thought the first one was a great redemption story. And the second one was just a decent cute family film. I think smaller scale family movies give the franchise a unique and charming identity. I hope this movie keeps the family identity of the franchise and gives a thrilling climax to the trilogy
The mcu getting all these new fans is while great for Disney but also terrible because most of these people weren’t along for the journey to see the mcu had a lot of misses in each phase. Also a lot of people try to be contrarians when talking about current marvel to stand out when it’s like no you don’t have to do that to make friends 💀💀💀
Ant man 3 was the best so far of the 3, great visuals and gags with heart
Tbh, I've always appreciated the Ant Man movies for being less entangled with the ballooning stakes of the other MCU heroes; they almost feel like those lumpy experimental Phase One movies. I'm going to wait until its out on streaming to try Quantumania, but if anything, I'm put off by how Kinda Guardians of the Galaxy this microverse feels, how it looks like Every Cosmic CG Fest the MCU puts out.
hope its good
Antman 3 has the potential to the best superhero movie. Though I’m sure it will come up short but should still be best of the last 2 years of okay Marvel movies & shows.
Edgar Wright was given credit for his writing
well, seems like it turned out to be a dud, RIP MCU, never was a movie title more prophetic than ENDGAME
Yeah can’t believe you could make a worse Ant Man than the second one but here we are
My takeaway of this from the handling of the MCU universe is that Kevin Feige is their answer to Jim Shooter's contribution to the Marvel comics in the 1980's. He ran a tight ship, but it was under a fair and responsible hand for the most part. Some alternative creative choices and ideas were tough to put to pen and paper at times, but that must have been the price to pay for having a unified vision of the entire story from a big picture point of view.
Is this a good solution? Not entirely. Edgar Wright is a fantastic director with a body of work that could be analyzed from all the details and touches he's put into his editing and other elements. But the films hold up together in Marvel's universe as opposed to say, Saban and his handing of the Power Rangers, especially the producers' mandates towards the series.
I'm concerned the fight scene we see in the promo for _Ant-Man Quantumania_ is essentially giving us the climax to the film. 😕
Any man 1&2 are both cool fun movies with a creative visual action style imo
I haven’t watched the full video but I really enjoyed Ant Amman and wasp a lot and was thrilled with the first one
Does anyone know what the song in the background of full fats videos is?. It's quite good and I need a louder version lol
I love the Ant-Man films tbh, especially the first. They're not my favourite MCU films, but I always enjoy watching them - I love the heist theme, the comedy, the action, the characters, etc.
This man did the outro at the beginning had me fucked up for mentally for at least 10 secs
Antman movies don’t necessarily pop out but they are charmingly underrated. Like his movies and arch’s Arn’t necessarily world changing like the cap, iron man, Thor or Spider-Man trilogies but it’s the little things that keep you invested. At least for me.
I am infertile from eating scented candles
So as someone who very much likes the first two films, I think it's unfair to criticize a film for what it is not. Edgar wright ant man one, and quantamania as film two do not exist, and we have no idea if they would actually be good. Ant man one works, it's a fun heist movie with a likeable cast, memorable action, and they do a lot with the two scales the main character exists at. Ant Man and the Wasp is a fun light hearted romp with a man trying to atone for the hurt he caused while doing the right thing. They have never been the heaviest films in the mcu, and that's in part by design. Scott is a small man in a big world dealing with small stakes, and big egos.
They might not be perfect, but they are neither the low point of the mcu, or 'missing their potential' Iron man 2 was directionless, Thor the Dark World had a conflict where the stakes, tone, and plot were constantly discordant, Age of Ultron felt bloated under the weight of studio obligation. Ant man as a franchise is fine.
his arc is clearly becoming a hero and never getting actual respect in the team ups as legitimate hero which cultminates in him taking on kang in kang dynasty proving that he is on their level
The first Ant-Man is actually my favorite MCU movie because of just how different it truly is from other projects in the universe. It is another comedic Marvel movie, but it’s comedy is different from the rest of the MCU by slowly winding down when a serious moment approaches and slowly winding back up when it’s time to get back to the more lighthearted tone. It is also a more personal movie that isn’t dependent on connections to the wider universe and is proud to be in its own more self-contained corner of the universe. Coming right off of Age of Ultron, this movie showed me the true value of smaller stories without in-your-face connections to the wider universe and constant attempts to up the spectacle.
However, Ant-Man and the Wasp is my least favorite MCU movie because it does the exact opposite of what makes me love the first one by being the worst offender of the overused Marvel formula. It’s humor is the same generic humor style that interrupts everything, even in serious and emotional moments to tell a joke. It’s plot is also completely dependent on Civil War, and constantly reminds you within the movie that it is connected to Civil War. The first Ant-Man is content with being its own unique project in and of itself, while Ant-Man and the Wasp seems like it was only made to remind everyone that Civil War existed and to set up the Quantum Realm in Endgame.
Yeah, Ant man and the Wasp deffo felt like it had to handle too many villains and had little stakes it felt like a filler episode kinda like Eternals or Capt Marvel
I love Paul Rudd man he has been rlly good as Ant Man and I have bought many tickets to watch quantumania n I am hoping for the best
The first 2 ant man movies are some of my favorite in the mcu
Watched them for the first time tonight and I think there some of the best marvel movies
There's no conundrum here.
You wish there was an Edgar right? Ant-Man isn't a real slight against the fact that you have a competent origin movie.
Ant-Man and the wasp had the inevitable task of being the pallet cleanser before infinity war.
Why would he have huge big problems in either of his individual movies before he's a quote" avenger?
Everything you say basically makes the case for these being pretty good films that fit well into the overarching universe of stories
No conundrum
I think your being too harsh. They’re fun movies.
Ant Man and the Wasp...the worst MCU movie? Ok, we fundamentally disagree there. I mean...Thor the Dark World exists? Hell, I like the Incredible Hulk a lot more than other people and even I think that's of a comparable quality but maybe not as good as the Ant Man sequel. Very different films, yeah, but still.
I think Incredible Hulk solos the whole movie based on the Abomination fight alone
Captain Marvel is the worst. Case closed
It definitely seem like there is more give an take when it comes to marvel compared to other movies. You can be creative but only up a certain point and within a certain range so me directors can navigate that and others can’t.
I think Ant-Man peaked with the toy train crash, maybe the “wassuup” from 2. I doubt I’ll be seeing this in theaters, they’ve kind of spoiled the way the story will turn. Would’ve been better if they left Scott siding with Kang up in the air, instead of showing their final battle
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Man this movie sucked lol
As much as people talk how mid the Antman movies are, the movies had age pretty well, and really I still like them a lot
1:04 ehhh wait....since when anyone have EVER said that? when ever people talk of bad MCU films (then and NOW) the usual subjects are...Iron Man 2 and 3, Thor Dark World, Captain Marvel, And now days pick you chose between any phase 4 film or show, you will never guess wrong on that........but Antman and the Wasp been consider the worst MCU film (specially over Captain Marvel at that time?) maybe in your head man, I never heard anyone saying that, at worst people put this one as harmful entertainment or just a forgettable flick.....but never say is bad.
I enjoyed Ant Man 1 purely cos I had no real expectations and it was a fun change of pace for Marvel. Like Spiderman Homecoming, it was good to have a Marvel film that didn't have the same stakes as an Avengers, Iron Man or Captain America film. Michael Peña as Luis was also brilliant 😂 Ant Man and the Wasp though was very forgettable though.
Would've love interactions with Hank Pym & Tony Stark, we hear about their bad blood because he's a Stark, that's it! Douglas looks great with the de-aging, forget he can be a good actor, when given good material. Lang should've been his protégé, with Pfeiffer (?) also de-aged as Wasp. Atleast for a movie, the Cold War scenes seemed so interesting, but closer to the end so he can still got toe-to-toe with Stark in Iron-Man 2 and 3, small banters on the phone, in scene or a full on fight, Iron-Man v Ant-Man. Planting the seed for Lang, a period heist at the end of the Cold War with weight with some levity. End credit, gloss over a Ultron flash drive. He creates Ultron, Father-Son dynamic (maybe not call it "Age of Ultron" considering it's a short age) maybe... Rise of Ultron, Ultron is saved for a future movie, eventually fusing with Pym. Rudd's comedy is sometimes a hindrance, as he plays himself which is always likable but sometimes forgettable. Later, Lang can go toe-to-toe with his Mentor, Pym as the Antagonist for an Avenger's movie. With a hard PG-13. Sorry for my rant.
You really should treat the Ant-Man films as they are and not as movie that should’ve been deep emotional films. It just sounds nitpicky
I mean personally I find both ant man movies fun and entertaining. Even though they’re not the best I can always count on having a good time with them.
And truthfully that’s better than a lot of the stuff marvel has put out post endgame.
Hey dude genuinely like your videos but your voice seemed kind of low energy - maybe it's the microphone/audio balance? Anyway hope you're doing well.
With DC really embracing the multiverse and elseworld stories and Marvel already embracing the multiverse, I’d really like to see Marvel take a page out of DC and make a totally disconnected Ant-Man with Edgar Wright directing.
I think I’ll be the best MCU film since endgame
I agree with your criticisms about ant man and the wasp. But the FIRST one is great!!!
Personaly I'm in the minority but I actually preferred it over alot of the mcu movies. I'm unique in as much as I've only seen about half of the MCU and interconnected universes, crossovers the charging character can be a turn. I'm a busy man who works long hours and watches a few films and doesn't want to have to have watched alot of fils or TV show to understand the film. I also want to see something that is unique. Both antman fils did that. They felt scaled back they stood on their own and they were lightheated and the superheroes had unique superpowers. Personally I enjoyed the first two films so I will likely watch the third. I do have a concern that the film makers will be trying to set up future stories instead of telling a fun self contained story nd I'm concerned that the special effects that don't wow me will overshadow the character. Personally I understand I represent a minority in that I just stumbled upon this video and fit into a demographic that these fils are not made or marketed to.