POST OFFICE SCANDAL: Fujitsu expert - postmasters are 'trying to get away with' blaming Horizon
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Post Office Horizon IT inquiry continues with Gareth Jenkins, former distinguished engineer at Fujitsu Services Ltd, who is due to give evidence for four days.
A former Fujitsu engineer has apologised for saying a subpostmaster saw an article which indicated the Horizon IT system was unreliable and “decided to jump on the bandwagon” while she was being prosecuted.
Gareth Jenkins sent an email on March 1 2010 discussing the case of Seema Misra, who was given a 15-month prison sentence in November of the same year, when she was eight weeks pregnant.
The email said: “When she went to court she saw an article in Computer Weekly indicating that Horizon was unreliable and she decided to jump on the bandwagon.”
He apologised during the Post Office Horizon IT Inquiry on Thursday, saying “that’s totally inappropriate wording on my part for which I apologise”.
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This man is not as thick as he is trying to depict himself. He has been carefully coached with regard to his demeanour and answers. This is a very accomplished act.
No one can keep up what you say for 3- 4 full days against a pro like Beers. Jenkins was just massively incompetent in any field outside his own narrow specialty, and once he started appearing as a witness ( definitely, in his mind, on behalf of FJ + Horizon, he never understood he was supposed to be impartial as an Expert Witness). Heck - Ron Wilson, the lawyer who was head of criminal at POL, clearly didn't understand what an Expert Witness was!!! So nobody was helping Jenkins figure it out.
They all trying to diminish their actions and seem to have selective amnesia
Given we can all see through it, not that accomplished...
True. They all appear helpless dont they. I bet their character was the opposite if you worked with them. Incompetence at its finest
How does somebody rise to a position of being a senior analyst with such low intelligence and a need for guidance at every turn? I can only imagine how this KC will summerise his testimony.
Apologies are no GOOD when someone has been sent to PRISON
No, but Millions of dollars will compensate her. Nobody thinks apologies matter. If anything, these people should avoid apologizing. Most are merely self- serving.
@@cassandratq9301 Dollars?
yes, too little, too late.
I've watched Jenkins' evidence over the last two days. He's either staggeringly incompetent or criminally deceptive. His answers to Beer KC make it clear that it's the latter. There are a number of occasions where Beer KC just stumps Jenkins, completely catching him out.
Outside of his narrow area of expertise (computer design tech) he is incompetent. He is just so narrowly focused on the tech he doesn't even realize he is WAY over his head on the legal stuff.
He's a devious criminal who should languish in prison
This man is no tech expert. He is incompetent, ignorant, lazy, arrogant and a liar.
Seems like they all are dim incompetent suffer from amnesia and don't know what they were doing.
do u think he was paid to give an illusion of Horizon's "robustness" by Fujitsu or PO?? bribery to keep him saying the right things??
That Jason Beer amazes me. He is streaks ahead in understanding and honesty . The evidence givers fail miserably in every count. Can't remember, it wasn't me, don't know what to say, non stop excuses. They have zero credibility..any of them. Mr Beer has total understanding of the system, better than the idiots he's interviewing, even though he had nothing to do with it. They stutter and bluster as he corners them at every turn. The fools won't fool.him. well done Mr Beer. Thank you.
Seema Misra must be appalled by this man’s defence. The anguish she must have gone through as a pregnant woman with her son at home is beyond comprehension. At least the world can see she has been exonerated.
People have committed suicide because of this man 😡
In memoriam:
Martin Griffiths
Fiona McGowan
Peter Huxam
Louise Mann
May they Rest In Peace now the truth is being told.
Every senior manager involved, whether Post Office or Fufitsu. They are responsible for everything that happened.
No they haven't. Listen to the evidence instead of headlines
@guywithhisownopinion yeah you need to read the cases. He was literally hiding the fact that he knew about the bugs while saying in court the software was perfect and never made mistakes. He's a total piece of human exccriment
Yes people committed suicide because of what Post Office and Fujitsu did to them. Where have you been that you don't know that?
"I need guidance to tell the truth".
He is a company man...full stop. Guilty.
Exactly
let's hope a perjury charge gets traction. he will have thinking time in prison on his inadequacies in court and how he affected so many people!
This awful man, because of his mishandling of the truth, must be prosecuted and dealt with by the courts.
How much did this Horizon system cost? Several hundred million? What a waste of money. I often think that the system using a paper trail and filing cabinets and proper training was perfectly sound. Now look!
The barrister is a very clever man
Jason Beer KC, he rocks
This whole scandal is horrific, penalties need to suit.
he rolled his eyes and made a glare at beer... excuse me... people were so traumatised they committed suicide or went through severe depression... he is abhorrent... why is he apologising if he did nothing wrong
This guy is full of it can’t remember anything that he did wrong , has very good recall when criticising others
Showed his true colours with that statement
These people have no problem lying under oath, just disgusting
He is going to get prosecuted heavily!
Next time a car breaks in front of my lorry. Should I ask for management guidance, or do the correct thing and brake myself . This is no expert.
Blatant lies! 😉
Yet another bumbling git who didn't understand the questions asked . Or the old favourite cannot remember. Everyone going down the same lying staged response? Most clearly been to acting school . They are all guilty because they knew what was going on The post office and fujitsu have a lot to answer for.
More + more this goes to the bigwigs ( and Investigators) at POL.
Liar liar pants on fire!!!
If they put all their pants together you'd have a bonfire that would heat England for a year. Where's the accountability?
I'm astounded by the organizational fragmentation of both Postoffice and Fujitsu. Everyone in their isolated cubicle, assuming someone else was picking up the pieces. Passing the buck seems to be common practice.
This, if it wasn't so tragic to all the victims of this man, would make an eminent Gilbert & Sullivan comic opera, with jumped-up nobodies at the helm.
1). It's Horizon's fault
2) It can be interfered/tampered with
Bull Jenkins, management guidelines which means you'd rather back Fujitsu than shame the devil consequently resign
This guy is pretty much the facilitator to the masterminds
Hard to respect this witness.
What I find most strange is that all these postmasters decided to fiddle PO at more or less at the same time - that must have taken some organising all around the country?! Let’s look at the one thing they all have in common, oh yes, it’s a computer program!!
More you study more you get stupid and immoral... money talk more high and this "engineer" maybe had his diploma by correspondence.
you can tell he is lying.......his lips are moving
Now that the world knows Horizon was a disaster and Fujitsu was screwing around with the sub-postmaster accounts, how did this guy verify Fujitsu was NOT making changes in their accounts?
Pure, unadulterated incompetence, complicity and power tripping.
I think everyone should watch the coverage from the last half-hour of the penultimate day: Beer drops the bombshell - Jenkins was discredited by the Post Office because Jenkins raised an eyebrow to the practice of the P.O. legal team of using his generic testimony to prosecute individual sub-post masters. Jenkins comes out of this quite well and scrutiny returns to the post office.
This is how it happens. Jenkins is fundamentally honest, but a man who did his job conscientiously without regard for the consequences for SPMs. He is not callous, cruel or bad, but just a relatively low level functionary with no peripheral vision. Just doing his job. He is now horrified to see what his evidence did to people. Just as so many thousands have been horrified after so many wars when they were brought face to face with consequences. It’s his bosses who should be brought to account for their lack of any real moral compass.
I can’t get my breath 😮
Unbelievable his idea of his job was nothing to do with me just everyone else sound like he has a strange mindset a form of Autiusm spectrum comes to mind
an expert witness with a memory this bad is neither an "expert" nor a witness?
I hope seema misra knows we are all watching this barrister rip this guy apart, and takes some comfort in the fact we all know this guy is a disgraceful liar.
He has blood on his hands. Next step, criminal prosecution.
Jenkinsspeak: "possibly" translates to "yes I'm guilty as ..."
Herman Munster has let himself go
Let's hope that friends of sub-postmasters find his home address.
You need top cover for telling the truth, my god
The people in this enquiry team should bring tony blair back for his iraq lies
What does that have to do with this? Both are bad but as usual have no bearing on this . Read the room and you will see it isn't about Iraq but something else just in case you need reminding 😉
What a horrible doddery oldman.
He’s just getting caught out in every question. Omg.
Every single question. Beers has just put the final nail in POL's coffin.
This man is a liar & i dont care what age he is , he needs to go to jail because he knew exactly what was going on & didn't care
He is becoming more and more shaky, and can,t remember seems to be his fallback.
His evidence help send that innocent lady to prison
Yes, and she will be compensated in the only way that will actually help her to heal her life - with money, and gobs of it.
Money heals nothing. Will it being back the postmaster that committed suicide? Compensation is not redress and is not justice.
@@cassandratq9301 They could start be returning the money they stole from her. From all of them.
But, you seem unaware that the woeful so-called compensation scheme - which moves at a glacial pace in the hope that more spms will die before they receive a penny - is also part of this scandal.
@@cassandratq9301you absolute clown
That hasn't happened yet. The Tory government is dragging their feet getting settlements to those who have been wronged. Sir Allen Bates is still fighting for compensation as are hundreds of others.
He is so quick to remember anything that is immaterial or that exonerates him. Unbelievable.
I love Jason Beer.
His mind is so sharp and his manner of questioning is brillisnt.
These so called experts are left floundering by him.
Totally agree... he's incredible...and Sir Wyn is excellent too 👍
People need to stop calling him ‘engineer’, ‘Dr’ and ‘expert’. He had zero qualifications as an engineer, only has an undergraduate degree, no PhD, and he was a very bad coder, was lazy and produced poor quality work.
“I can’t remember what I believed”. What? If you believe that nonsense you believe anything. 😮
Some of this goes back 20- 25 years.
Fear of having to tell the truth
As a technical guy he has no excuse: he was asked to look for bugs and he didn't even look for them, simply "assumed" there were NO bugs!. He didn't even do the job he was asked to do!
Here on Day 3, every question which Mr. Beers has asked of Mr. Jenkins has added $1Million to Ms. Misra's settlement. I'd be shocked if a settlement with her isn't announced by close of business today. If this keeps up, and she goes to Court, the cost of her settlement + costs alone will bankrupt POL, let alone all of the others.
That said, it also seems clear Mr. Jenkins is not part of any criminal conspiracy to fail to disclose vital information. Those villains are at the Post Office.
He is a tunnel- visioned tech who can't even get POL to pay for his company to run all the needed data when he requests it. His chief failing is that he's been thrust out of his area of expertise (computer tech into law), and is so focused on the tech, he doesn't even realize he is WAY over his head on the legal part.
Jenkins did not know what a witness statement was……Unbelievable.. What planet is he on..
If I remember correctly according to Stephen Bradshaw, its something that Cartwright King writes out for you and you sign. POL seems to have warped how we use English as well as other things.
To be fair - as a non-lawyer who has had to be involved in several legal proceedings, I didn't fully understand it before, myself. I understood that they had to be impartial (for example, using an employee of the company who's system is a big part of the problem + has a big contract with the prosecuter, seems crazy), but I'd never realized that their disclosure obligations involved both parties.
Nor did he know - or. apparently, care - what "without prejudice" might mean, when he supinely adds it to his statement. This man lacks all imagination, intelligence, or curiosity.
Do you know what a witness statement is ? Do you know the difference between a witness of fact and an expert witness. Do you know the law on disclosure, do you know what PACE refers to just a few legal questions an e pert like you can now google
How can he sit there obviously lying his head off & cannot remember facts where he might incriminate himself. He deserves to be in jail like the I innocent post masters.
So you knew of the BUGS
“I would have liked to tell the truth” WTF ! 😡
Distinguished? Appalling that he is so quick to claim that he didn't believe the 'bugs' were relevant!!
Remember that "distinguished" was a title given to him by his employer - not an indication of merit in any sense. That might just as well have called him "Grey-beard" for all the meaning it had.
Gareth i don't remember Jenkins. What an utterly corrupt individual.
Yet Second Sight viewed him as a straight forward indivdual. Why?
No spine....whimp.
Why cannot he be sent to prison and experience what the spm had to go through?
Gives evidence, then is faced with documented evidence, then doesnt remember at all or understood it if he did see it.
This liar *repeatedly* provided expert evidence in malicious prosecution of the Sub-Postmasters - not just some one-off mistake (oopsie) but unwavering testimony that the system was completely reliable and could not lose money in the accounts.... whilst it was doing so constantly and had a Fujitsu team assigned to manually go in remotely and make edits to accounts at night.
We need to see Post Office executives and their lying lawyers and Fujitsu (seen here) experts doing jail time for this and heavy compensation for their victims and the families of lost victims.
"I can't remember what I believed, I have no recollection, who am I, where am I" the words of a real expert. Inappropriate wording is not an excuse 🤬
This man should spend the rest of his days in jail
And doesn’t he believe that Lord Justice Fraser’s decisions are unsafe and that the spms most likely did owe the money? A grotesque position.
Should be going to Prison
Got you!
FFS...
Just jail him, he's telling lies and trying to cover his arse
He thought his baby was foolproof, infallable, and is trying to defend at all costs.
A horrible individual. Trying to save himself at the expense of anyone else. Despicable.
If he can reject judges findings, we can reject his testimony and what he claims he believes. Guilty until proven innocent.
Shocking individual who is lying through his back teeth.
I love how he asks for comments on his emails, waits until Jenkins bites then reels him in!
It’s an old cliche what comes around goes aroun
Send this man to jail now
The snakes in the grass are starting to bite each others tails.
To jog his memory , a few jogs in the rear in strangeways will do the trick .
I pulled the trigger m,lud....I apologise my finger slipped!!
Straight to jail. Do not pass go. Do not collect 200
Vennells said she would not have used the term " bandwagon".They are slime.
Who? I can’t remember 😂😂😂
My God am I in a parallel universe !!!!!!!!
So they only checked for human end user error and not also bugs in the system.
I wonder why that was?
The elements of racism that run through the treatment of the sub- postmasters have been shocking.
It's shocking that they genuinely thought postmasters were out robbing the Post Office of £80,000 to £90,000 but never found any money trail to prove it.......
dither dither dither!!!
What a "snake in the grass" this witness is. Its obvious where is loyalties laid.......and it was not with the sub post masters/mistresses. He knew there was problems and wanted his backside covered.
She thought the staff were the culprits.
Evil
This man needs to hear a cell door close behind him, for a long time.
It is becoming clearer by the day that this is all heading towards a full criminal trial......
I hope so. let justice be served!!!!
'distinguished' engineer. Distinguished by his lack of honesty, morality, ethics etc...
oh and, of course, liar
I don't like the way Jenkins hides behind the term 'normal operation' because most people think that means operating correctly . 'Normal operation' could mean operating as usual including defects, but that would not be correct operation. Beer needs to ask Jenkins to clarify.
Another witness with selective memory !
This guy is unbelievable…! 😢
He's unlikely to admit any mistakes in case it leads to a criminal investigation and ending up in a courtroom facing serious questions.
Bull effluent...if 'guidance' had told him to lie before a jury he would have...in fact he did.
He was just a fujitsu clone to scared to have integrity.
Another fantastic actor who lies, covering up for management. He didn't want to undermine his boss, but didn't mind what losses PO masters went through. How shameful he is.
I found it very difficult to keep watching GJ talking and trying to Stich lies after lies ..
Jason Beer nails this no escape from trying yo obsfuscate.
Not to be seen to undermine POl.
I don't know what to say to that.
Would you play chess with Jason beer
Who wants his address
Me
He's going to jail
Droning monotones, mumbling behind a scruffy beard, both hands curiously placed, unmoving, on the desk in front of him. Dead, staring eyes. The very model of a modern computer expert.
Modern 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂