You're lucky you've got the 4 pole motor on that BSR. The ones with the cheaper 2 pole motors were notorious for running fast, even with the stock, 6 gram ceramic cartridge. Those were never really designed to take a magnetic cartridge.
The Infamous BSR C129 record changer, i wish i had a penny for each one of these i have serviced. One point as stated below, i was told by BSR that it was good practice to remove, clean and regrease the cam gear and all moving parts, old grease soon makes the motor work harder, also a new rubber drive wheel if you have one is a good idea. Based in the UK i was lucky to have a neighbour who's son was a foreman at BSR in the 70's so spares were not a problem, i still have all the service manuals for these and other decks. Sadly by 1985 BSR had closed all it's factories, the Walkman era meant demand for record decks had dropped, at one point they supplied 85% of the market. The later BSR McDonald MP60 was the best they made, and a good alternative to the Garrard SP25. The Japanese soon showed them how to make far better belt drive turntables the Pioneer PL12D was an excellent entry level deck for Hi-Fi enthusiasts, those with deep pockets went for the Linn Sondek LP12 with an SME tonearm. Happier times until it all went digital, so much for progress!
Ahh, the 3 in 1! I got a Zenith one for high school graduation in 1983. Used it a lot. As a teenager, I was thrilled to actually have a "stereo"! My sister got one as well when she graduated in 1980. The very first record I played on mine was a 45rpm, Duran Duran, "Hungry Like the Wolf". It had a BSR changer too. BSR = Badly Seized, Really!
Tip for those locking screw clips is to place the front clip so that you can place it into the slot just past half way, then sliding forward flips the clip over to the lock position. No drop of oil on those little bushes there in the autochanger, or on that motor, likely the lubricant on them is long evaporated away all the lighter fractions.
You are making me feel jealous of you for having a hmk that I don't. This unit was never sold in the UK but I have at least one specimen of all the ones that were ! (A chap has got to have a hobby) My favourite is the hmk-9000 and I would love to see a restoration video of one of those as my example does not function in anyway due to the 'sensor' bulbs being 'blown'. One of these days I will repair it but I need the practice from all the others first !
Hi Dave...did you ever came across the first casette tapes...the one's before the compact cassettes as we know it. The cassettes was slightly bigger than the compact cassettes. I had a Grundig player and about 3 cassettes and could not find any more cassettes. Was around 1969...and then I went over to the compact type. Something I'm sorry about up to today because I've never saw another one ever. If you have something like that...please do a video about it. Thanks Flip
8-track cartridges were only successful in a handful of markets. IIRC mainly North America and the UK. They were intended primarily as a mobile format (which is why being unable to rewind wasn't such a big deal, and why so many of the tapes are in bad shape from being stored in hot cars for years. I believe it was the guy who owned Learjet who came up with it, though it was based on an earlier format (Fidelipac?) Techmoan has a good video about them.
Hadn't seen that but did work on a cassette machine that used giant cassettes. The lady who owns it had 20 pre-recorded music tapes and some home recordings.
I had a GEC Soundeck with one of these BSR turntables. The size selector eventually failed on it, as it would send the arm almost to the center of the record overshooting the position and then jump back again before dropping down in the wrong place.
I expected the metal gear to be stuck solid, the grease they used always went bad. But it took decades to do so. I'm confused that sony put a bsr deck in there product. Sony cost cutting? Dispite it's basic design, the bsr deck lasted a hell of a long time.
Yeah I did check the cam gear unfortunately my camera was not on. There's a light mountain right next to the camera that makes it hard to see if the little red light is on or not and sometimes I push the button and I don't hear the little beep. Camera beeps once when I start recording and beeps twice when I stop. I usually glance up at the flip out screen to see if it says record because that info doesn't come up on my big monitor. So I got stuck in one of these situations where I was pushing the button to start and stop but I would stop when I thought I was running and running when I thought I was stopped I missed that shot pulled the cam gear cleaned it up put it back on thought I had it in the can until I'm looking at my footage and I opened up the file that was supposed to be it and it was me fiddle farting around with something else and repositioning the camera and so forth when I was supposed to be not recording. when there's noise going on in the background I quite often will miss the little subtle double beep when it stops recording or single beep when it starts.
@@12voltvids So you were keeping all the crap footage and getting none of th e good stuff lol, that's a classic screw up :-D But you have made so so many videos, mistakes are almost nothing. You need a dome light on top of the camera, like the ancient tv cameras.
In the UK we called these systems 'music centres' and they were everywhere in the Seventies and early Eighties, bridging the gap between the huge console 'stereograms' and the 'midi systems' that became popular from around 1985 and were designed to cosmetically resemble the stack of separates that only the well-off could afford. With their woodgrain panels and smoked plastic lids, they have been deeply unfashionable for years and hence most got dumped long ago (sadly including the Sanyo I had as a parental hand-me-down when I was a kid) and many of the survivors need work. Recently I acquired a 'untested' Fidelity (budget British brand) unit from a local free site and was amazed to find that the only fault, after 30 years stored in an attic, was a dial light that flickers occasionally. Tape, tuner and phono all work perfectly and sound great though those big boxy Seventies speakers. As you note, these systems are still dirt cheap but I suspect not for much longer with people getting into retro physical formats and even the cheapest of these being preferable to a suitcase player like a Crosley. Mine has found a place in my man cave and I'll be hanging onto it (and fixing the dial light at some point, it looks cool all lit up.)
Well this one's up for sale now and we'll see what type of offers I get. just the fact that it has a turntable with a magnetic cartridge should spark some interest plus the fact that the speakers are quite large and they sound really good I don't know how good they came off on camera but they actually sound half decent it's got two I'm going to say 8 inch woofers and a tweeter in each box.
Given that 'its a Sony' I'd be tempted except that I'm in the UK! I do like the warm, rich sound of Seventies kit, it complements the lush orchestral arrangements of the era. After that it became all about sound accuracy but I think something was lost in the process. Kinda the same with cars, and how the comfy, floaty land yachts of that time were replaced by sporty suspension through which you could feel every bump in the road.
Those units were very popular here in Australia. Several companies made them, including Hitachi, PYE, Rank Arena, & Sanyo. I think Sharp made them also, along with National (Now Panasonic, which I call 'crapasonic).
That takes me back, we had one very similar in my family's living room in the 80s, it replaced a big wood console. Ended up at an old girlfriend's that tossed it when i left it and her. Many tapes where recorded with it. Lots of 80s rock albums were played on it.
Hi! I have exactly the same Sony HMK 339 and im restoring it. Your video was very helpful! thanks. My issue at the moment is that im getting radio interference. It doesn't matter in what setting I have it to (phono, aux, etc) if I turn the volume up, I'd always hear the radio. Any idea how can I fix this? thanks in advance!
I have the same same Turntable in a PYE modular 1010 that has a SC5M Ceramic cartridge, Mine is the 4 speed version, And someone had wired the cartridge out of phase....
I had the HMK 229. the turntable had a ceramic cartridge and the cassette had auto level recording. it had 9 watts per channel. I had Sony SS 440 speakers. it had a pleasant sound and got many many hours of music from it. I think the 339 had 15 watts per channel.
what is that piece of music that is playing around the 36min mark, and who was the composer? in 1981, I was in a school band and performed a piece called "Space Rock.". The piece you played sounds a lot like it.
36:10 for instructions on using auto play, auto off, etc. I watched almost the whole thing just to find out why mine kept playing the same record over and over. 😂 Thanks for all the info I needed (and a lot more)!
While you had the platter off it would have been a good idea to pull the cam gear off as well. It was usually lubed with that same slow setting glue/grease and it sometimes seized up as well. Even if that didn't happen here the trip lever on the gear would seize, causing a no reject condition. Also, the actuator arm that the cam gear drives has a little metal roller that rides around in the gear channel which is also prone to seizing on its shaft, causing slow mechanism operation. Otherwise good work. 👍
I did pull the cam gear off camera. Why was it off camera, because the fu$#ng camera was recording when i thought it was off and not recording when i thought it was on.
Anyone who is pursuing revival of these old bsr tts , fitting a neoprene or silicone rubber washer under the platter bearing, can remove a good few dB of rumble .
When I was a kid we would call this a music center I had a music center but it had a 8 track tape on it god I wish I still had it can't remember what ever happened to it
Weird...someone is selling the nearly identical stereo (it has an 8 track instead of cassette) here in Ottawa. I actually had to go to the Marketplace ad to see if this wasn't the same unit. Reason? That bit of brushed metal trim that is coming unglued. It's coming apart on the stereo on Marketplace in precisely the same location, and is bent upwards EXACTLY the same way, and the same amount of it coming unglued. Must have been a common issue with this model I think.
It's pretty obvious that you have never been in the back of a busy workshop. I'm not talking about the shop that the guy might get one job in a week then he can spend two or three days on and then have another day to clean up because there's no work. I'm talking about a busy workshop where stuff is flying in the door faster than you can fix it. I worked at a few of those during my career in servicing. But I've been to dozens of others because I knew lots of guys that were in the business. One thing that I text used to do was visit each other to see how other guys shops were set up and what they were doing and chat about electronics and of course one thing needs to the next then it's always hey come on back here I got something to ask you I've got a real dog and we used to share information. I had guys from other shops coming to the shop that I worked at and we'd share war stories and you should talk about asshole customers and talk about different troubles that we encountered. Every shop that I ever went to look as messy as my bench if not worse. TVs or VCRs left apart that out of frustration the tech gave up threw it to the back of the bench and let it sit there for however long it took before he got back on it, our sets were being pulled apart to salvage parts out of and we just left in various states of disassembly in piles in the corner on other workbenches are carts that weren't being used. pieces left disassembled while waiting for parts because the tech didn't want to invest the time to put it back together knowing he was going to have to take it apart again in a few days once the part came in. my bench is actually quite clean compared to some of the shops that I've been into over the years. The only time I ever saw a clean shop was a brand new business that set up across the street from the shop that I worked at. it had been an old shop in fact I had worked there years before. The owner sold to a new couple that set up shop and they completely renovated threw out every piece of old test equipment and bought all brand new modern stuff. When he set up shop I went over to see what he had done it was beautiful brand new workbenches great lighting brand new test equipment young enthusiastic tech and his wife they were going to fulfill their dreams sell and repair TVs. I remember going in there a few months later and it was what about the same state as it was the first time I went in it was spotless. Looks like the test equipment hadn't even been used every screwdriver was attached to a magnetic holder on the bench all this test needs were all nicely coiled up and hanging from clips on the wall. Didn't see much in there for repair. Ask him how things were going he was telling me it was slow and asked me how come we are so busy. I said you see your sign that says estimates $90? He said yes well we don't charge $90 for an estimate we have a go ahead I'm out that we will go up to. If the cost is expected to exceed that amount we'll call the customer with an estimate and if they decline we hand it back to them no charge. It's a customer knows coming in that if their TV can be fixed for less than $100 we are just going to fix it. if their VCR can be fixed for less than $60 it's going to be fixed. No approval of estimate required. Guess what the average cost of a TV repair was? You got it 99 bucks and the average VCR 59. We would do whatever we needed to do to get in under that limit so the customer could never say no. It was a formula that was extremely successful for us and we were kept extremely busy. At one point there was four of us working full time at that shop just repairing equipment. His shop didn't last that long he was out of business within a year. He said he could not operate under such a business model because he wouldn't make any money. Well I guess when he had to spend half the day sweeping the floor and cleaning his bench between every job and he could only get one or two things fixed in a day that would be the case. the rest of us that are making money we're fixing eight or nine or 10 TVs a day. When VCRs were in their Hay day and I was stuck pretty much exclusively on televisions and VCRs if I didn't fix a minimum of five TVs and 10 VCRs myself in a day I had the boss yelling at me. I did TVs and VCRs, camcorders on Friday. My assistant did audio and small portable crap and my other assistant took things apart put them together and dealt with customers and small audio. He also went out on pickups and deliveries so I didn't have to leave the shop to pick stuff up. Every efficient shop that works like we did was a disaster if you looked in the back. We were too busy repairing equipment to stop and clean up after every job. All the busy shops were the same and they all look like a bomb went off inside. Myself I work full time away from the house I don't do this for a living. When I do get into the shop to work my hours are limited because not only do I have to fix this stuff and film a video of the repair I then have to go and sit down and edit the video so I can publish it because that's where I make my money is off the UA-cam revenue. I don't make it from the repair as a rule. Some things I've been well paid to repair but most stuff is done at a loss. About once a month if things slow down a bit I'll actually put away stuff and clean the bench but within one or two jobs it's just as cluttered as it was before cleaning it that's just the way it gets but I know where everything is everything has a place all my tools are stored in the toolbox off camera. my goal is to at some point get through all of this equipment that's sitting here waiting for repair and get it out of here. But customers keep bringing me stuff to repair which takes priority over the equipment that's mine. I'm also just waiting to be able to move the shop into another room inside. That all depends on how quick my son gets his ass out of the house so that I can have that nice big room that he sets up his gaming crap in to use as my studio. I fully intend to build a nice bench with some actual room to set stuff up or I can actually do some work instead of being crammed into a very small space which is what I'm working on now a very small space in the corner of my garage.
Looks very similar to the one my grandmother had. Hers also had an 8-track built in though. Wish I knew had to fix the turntable on hers at the time. It ended up getting thrown out
Had a budget Fidelity combined record player and 3 band radio tuner with a 5 pin DIN auxiliary in/out socket for a tape recorder. Took it apart and still have the pcb. Have upgraded the transformer/rectifier/smoothing capacitor for the 8Ω speaker load instead of 15/16Ω. Used the early Texas Instruments audio amplifier/fm stereo decoder ic's. Just had the single wideband oval speakers in medium sized cabinets similar to the lower range multiway mini/midi hifi systems of today. Would not know how well the shaded pole motor would run in isolated parts of the less developed parts of the power grid system such as in Eire/Ireland.
I had 2 record players, both had a BSR turntable in. One was a Bush (very poor at playing some records, keep skipping), the other was a Fidelity, that had a fast turntable, but didn't skip though. I used to stack 8, 7 inch singles, think it was 8 max. Problem was if 1 record had a warp the others wouldn't play very well.
This is a good repair, love to keep older equipment working. Usually well built to stand against time. Learn a lot to preserve these nicely made equipment keep them working.👍👍
The best way to free up a freezed up platter is to put a small metal funnel over the spinal and use a small heat gun pointing at the base of the spindle.
@@victor9501 a delicate setup will be a tow arm on say a thorns or Technics or any other high-end turntable. On these dual and BSR these are not precision instruments he's her Mass produce junk from back in the sixties and seventies. It's not going to hurt it.
It's also a good Idea to pull the gear and lube the shaft the gear sits on to provide smoth operation during the cycle. It also would not hurt to drop some grease into the cout out on the other side of the gear.
@@ToneHobart it was just missed on camera like many things half the time my camera is not running when I think it is and other times it's running when I think it's off which will be headed into the next video when I just happened to catch a power amp shut down on camera but here I was in the background whistling away to the music thinking the camera was off when it shut down normally I wouldn't leave that in the video but I figured it was kind of an important element because I caught a failure on camera
@@12voltvids I get it. I have serviced many of those BSR's for other people. closest thing to that I have is my Garrard changer (40 MKII) it has many miles on it but is still one of my favorites, My Dad had one just like it when I was a kid. It gets serviced once a year and works well. every once in a while the shutdown cycle does not work reliably on 78 (Sometimes it does and sometimes it drops the needel on th erecord at the 7 inch spot and shuts off... weird.)
@@12voltvids I think he was referring to the image in your intro, just being finicky and picky like most felines LOL. What some will choose to comment about right?
@@darinb.3273 Yes I know that intro has mostly been retired someone asked to see it on a prior video so I figured I'd bring it back once or twice. Most of my current stuff uses the fireworks show at the beginning which I know also gets a few people upset and they feel they have to tell me about how upset it makes them. Like I care about their feelings.
aww I wanted to see the rest of this unit !! the cassette and power amp section Interested if had a stk or transistor outputs ?I like this hmk series of all in one stereos .
You're lucky you've got the 4 pole motor on that BSR. The ones with the cheaper 2 pole motors were notorious for running fast, even with the stock, 6 gram ceramic cartridge. Those were never really designed to take a magnetic cartridge.
The Infamous BSR C129 record changer, i wish i had a penny for each one of these i have serviced.
One point as stated below, i was told by BSR that it was good practice to remove, clean and regrease
the cam gear and all moving parts, old grease soon makes the motor work harder, also a new rubber
drive wheel if you have one is a good idea.
Based in the UK i was lucky to have a neighbour who's son was a foreman at BSR in the 70's so spares
were not a problem, i still have all the service manuals for these and other decks.
Sadly by 1985 BSR had closed all it's factories, the Walkman era meant demand for record decks had
dropped, at one point they supplied 85% of the market.
The later BSR McDonald MP60 was the best they made, and a good alternative to the Garrard SP25.
The Japanese soon showed them how to make far better belt drive turntables the Pioneer PL12D
was an excellent entry level deck for Hi-Fi enthusiasts, those with deep pockets went for the Linn Sondek
LP12 with an SME tonearm.
Happier times until it all went digital, so much for progress!
What a weird spot for speaker hookups! I always thought they went in the back!
Yes, and having them use phono (RCA) plugs is also unusual!
Ahh, the 3 in 1! I got a Zenith one for high school graduation in 1983. Used it a lot. As a teenager, I was thrilled to actually have a "stereo"! My sister got one as well when she graduated in 1980. The very first record I played on mine was a 45rpm, Duran Duran, "Hungry Like the Wolf". It had a BSR changer too. BSR = Badly Seized, Really!
Tip for those locking screw clips is to place the front clip so that you can place it into the slot just past half way, then sliding forward flips the clip over to the lock position.
No drop of oil on those little bushes there in the autochanger, or on that motor, likely the lubricant on them is long evaporated away all the lighter fractions.
While certainly not the nicest decks, the lower-model BSR's seem fairly robust and easier to get running than a Dual, Garrard, etc.
perhaps the bee gees tragedy 12inch might go well on this....
You are making me feel jealous of you for having a hmk that I don't.
This unit was never sold in the UK but I have at least one specimen of all the ones that were !
(A chap has got to have a hobby)
My favourite is the hmk-9000 and I would love to see a restoration video of one of those as my example does not function in anyway due to the 'sensor' bulbs being 'blown'.
One of these days I will repair it but I need the practice from all the others first !
Hi Dave...did you ever came across the first casette tapes...the one's before the compact cassettes as we know it. The cassettes was slightly bigger than the compact cassettes. I had a Grundig player and about 3 cassettes and could not find any more cassettes. Was around 1969...and then I went over to the compact type. Something I'm sorry about up to today because I've never saw another one ever. If you have something like that...please do a video about it. Thanks
Flip
8-track cartridges were only successful in a handful of markets. IIRC mainly North America and the UK. They were intended primarily as a mobile format (which is why being unable to rewind wasn't such a big deal, and why so many of the tapes are in bad shape from being stored in hot cars for years. I believe it was the guy who owned Learjet who came up with it, though it was based on an earlier format (Fidelipac?) Techmoan has a good video about them.
@@rich_edwards79 wasn't 8 track tapes. Similar to compact cassettes...slightly bigger.
Hadn't seen that but did work on a cassette machine that used giant cassettes. The lady who owns it had 20 pre-recorded music tapes and some home recordings.
LOL you used the "N" word (Needle) :)
I had a GEC Soundeck with one of these BSR turntables. The size selector eventually failed on it, as it would send the arm almost to the center of the record overshooting the position and then jump back again before dropping down in the wrong place.
I expected the metal gear to be stuck solid, the grease they used always went bad.
But it took decades to do so.
I'm confused that sony put a bsr deck in there product.
Sony cost cutting?
Dispite it's basic design, the bsr deck lasted a hell of a long time.
Yeah I did check the cam gear unfortunately my camera was not on. There's a light mountain right next to the camera that makes it hard to see if the little red light is on or not and sometimes I push the button and I don't hear the little beep. Camera beeps once when I start recording and beeps twice when I stop. I usually glance up at the flip out screen to see if it says record because that info doesn't come up on my big monitor. So I got stuck in one of these situations where I was pushing the button to start and stop but I would stop when I thought I was running and running when I thought I was stopped I missed that shot pulled the cam gear cleaned it up put it back on thought I had it in the can until I'm looking at my footage and I opened up the file that was supposed to be it and it was me fiddle farting around with something else and repositioning the camera and so forth when I was supposed to be not recording. when there's noise going on in the background I quite often will miss the little subtle double beep when it stops recording or single beep when it starts.
@@12voltvids So you were keeping all the crap footage and getting none of th e good stuff lol, that's a classic screw up :-D
But you have made so so many videos, mistakes are almost nothing.
You need a dome light on top of the camera, like the ancient tv cameras.
@@zx8401ztv the camera has a light but i can't see it because it it over my head. It is blocked by the camera crane.
these turntables were easy to repair back in the day. usually cleaning the bushing fixed most of all the problems
In the UK we called these systems 'music centres' and they were everywhere in the Seventies and early Eighties, bridging the gap between the huge console 'stereograms' and the 'midi systems' that became popular from around 1985 and were designed to cosmetically resemble the stack of separates that only the well-off could afford.
With their woodgrain panels and smoked plastic lids, they have been deeply unfashionable for years and hence most got dumped long ago (sadly including the Sanyo I had as a parental hand-me-down when I was a kid) and many of the survivors need work.
Recently I acquired a 'untested' Fidelity (budget British brand) unit from a local free site and was amazed to find that the only fault, after 30 years stored in an attic, was a dial light that flickers occasionally. Tape, tuner and phono all work perfectly and sound great though those big boxy Seventies speakers.
As you note, these systems are still dirt cheap but I suspect not for much longer with people getting into retro physical formats and even the cheapest of these being preferable to a suitcase player like a Crosley. Mine has found a place in my man cave and I'll be hanging onto it (and fixing the dial light at some point, it looks cool all lit up.)
Well this one's up for sale now and we'll see what type of offers I get. just the fact that it has a turntable with a magnetic cartridge should spark some interest plus the fact that the speakers are quite large and they sound really good I don't know how good they came off on camera but they actually sound half decent it's got two I'm going to say 8 inch woofers and a tweeter in each box.
Given that 'its a Sony' I'd be tempted except that I'm in the UK! I do like the warm, rich sound of Seventies kit, it complements the lush orchestral arrangements of the era. After that it became all about sound accuracy but I think something was lost in the process. Kinda the same with cars, and how the comfy, floaty land yachts of that time were replaced by sporty suspension through which you could feel every bump in the road.
@@12voltvids ill give you 20 bucks to put it in the bin.
@@Poppinwheeeeellllllieeeeez it will sell for more than that.
Those units were very popular here in Australia. Several companies made them, including Hitachi, PYE, Rank Arena, & Sanyo. I think Sharp made them also, along with National (Now Panasonic, which I call 'crapasonic).
We used to call Panasonic panaphuckers
That takes me back, we had one very similar in my family's living room in the 80s, it replaced a big wood console. Ended up at an old girlfriend's that tossed it when i left it and her. Many tapes where recorded with it. Lots of 80s rock albums were played on it.
What's the other saying? "I love my job soon much, I do it twice"!!! Lol 😆
This is very convenient, as I have one of these turntables to fix in a Sears brand with 8 track for a friend.
Cool video really enjoyed it👍
I think they preferred Birmingham Sound Reproducers to Bloody Sounds Rumbly LOL 🤣🤣🤣
Hi! I have exactly the same Sony HMK 339 and im restoring it. Your video was very helpful! thanks. My issue at the moment is that im getting radio interference. It doesn't matter in what setting I have it to (phono, aux, etc) if I turn the volume up, I'd always hear the radio. Any idea how can I fix this? thanks in advance!
I have the same same Turntable in a PYE modular 1010 that has a SC5M Ceramic cartridge, Mine is the 4 speed version, And someone had wired the cartridge out of phase....
What about the Cam?
Is it working? Yes.
I had the HMK 229. the turntable had a ceramic cartridge and the cassette had auto level recording. it had 9 watts per channel. I had Sony SS 440 speakers. it had a pleasant sound and got many many hours of music from it. I think the 339 had 15 watts per channel.
what is that piece of music that is playing around the 36min mark, and who was the composer? in 1981, I was in a school band and performed a piece called "Space Rock.". The piece you played sounds a lot like it.
Last time someone saw the underside of that turn table the first "Garfield" comic appeared in newspapers.
36:10 for instructions on using auto play, auto off, etc. I watched almost the whole thing just to find out why mine kept playing the same record over and over. 😂 Thanks for all the info I needed (and a lot more)!
While you had the platter off it would have been a good idea to pull the cam gear off as well. It was usually lubed with that same slow setting glue/grease and it sometimes seized up as well. Even if that didn't happen here the trip lever on the gear would seize, causing a no reject condition. Also, the actuator arm that the cam gear drives has a little metal roller that rides around in the gear channel which is also prone to seizing on its shaft, causing slow mechanism operation. Otherwise good work. 👍
I did pull the cam gear off camera. Why was it off camera, because the fu$#ng camera was recording when i thought it was off and not recording when i thought it was on.
I had an ERC stereo phono with a ceramic cartridged BSR changer when I was 10 years old. The amp was for sh!t!
I cut my teeth on these changers! They were ubiquitous in the UK when I was a kid. Such wonderful memories.
Anyone who is pursuing revival of these old bsr tts , fitting a neoprene or silicone rubber washer under the platter bearing, can remove a good few dB of rumble .
👌👌👍
Believe it or not, good old fashioned Liquid Wrench works wonders on old sticky grease.
When I was a kid we would call this a music center I had a music center but it had a 8 track tape on it god I wish I still had it can't remember what ever happened to it
Thay used the same turntable on most low end music centers I had a fidelity music center with the exact same turntable on it
Weird...someone is selling the nearly identical stereo (it has an 8 track instead of cassette) here in Ottawa. I actually had to go to the Marketplace ad to see if this wasn't the same unit. Reason? That bit of brushed metal trim that is coming unglued. It's coming apart on the stereo on Marketplace in precisely the same location, and is bent upwards EXACTLY the same way, and the same amount of it coming unglued. Must have been a common issue with this model I think.
Yes some have 8 track. I have one with an 8 track recorder burried in the garage.
theree's a piece of metal under the center on the spindle that necessitates the spindle base being turned a certain way
that is one fugly unit, you should have used a flame thrower on that turntable.
How do you work in such a messy workbench? Don't you have any pride in your test equipment?
It's pretty obvious that you have never been in the back of a busy workshop. I'm not talking about the shop that the guy might get one job in a week then he can spend two or three days on and then have another day to clean up because there's no work. I'm talking about a busy workshop where stuff is flying in the door faster than you can fix it. I worked at a few of those during my career in servicing. But I've been to dozens of others because I knew lots of guys that were in the business. One thing that I text used to do was visit each other to see how other guys shops were set up and what they were doing and chat about electronics and of course one thing needs to the next then it's always hey come on back here I got something to ask you I've got a real dog and we used to share information. I had guys from other shops coming to the shop that I worked at and we'd share war stories and you should talk about asshole customers and talk about different troubles that we encountered. Every shop that I ever went to look as messy as my bench if not worse. TVs or VCRs left apart that out of frustration the tech gave up threw it to the back of the bench and let it sit there for however long it took before he got back on it, our sets were being pulled apart to salvage parts out of and we just left in various states of disassembly in piles in the corner on other workbenches are carts that weren't being used. pieces left disassembled while waiting for parts because the tech didn't want to invest the time to put it back together knowing he was going to have to take it apart again in a few days once the part came in. my bench is actually quite clean compared to some of the shops that I've been into over the years. The only time I ever saw a clean shop was a brand new business that set up across the street from the shop that I worked at. it had been an old shop in fact I had worked there years before. The owner sold to a new couple that set up shop and they completely renovated threw out every piece of old test equipment and bought all brand new modern stuff.
When he set up shop I went over to see what he had done it was beautiful brand new workbenches great lighting brand new test equipment young enthusiastic tech and his wife they were going to fulfill their dreams sell and repair TVs. I remember going in there a few months later and it was what about the same state as it was the first time I went in it was spotless. Looks like the test equipment hadn't even been used every screwdriver was attached to a magnetic holder on the bench all this test needs were all nicely coiled up and hanging from clips on the wall. Didn't see much in there for repair. Ask him how things were going he was telling me it was slow and asked me how come we are so busy. I said you see your sign that says estimates $90? He said yes well we don't charge $90 for an estimate we have a go ahead I'm out that we will go up to. If the cost is expected to exceed that amount we'll call the customer with an estimate and if they decline we hand it back to them no charge. It's a customer knows coming in that if their TV can be fixed for less than $100 we are just going to fix it. if their VCR can be fixed for less than $60 it's going to be fixed. No approval of estimate required. Guess what the average cost of a TV repair was? You got it 99 bucks and the average VCR 59. We would do whatever we needed to do to get in under that limit so the customer could never say no. It was a formula that was extremely successful for us and we were kept extremely busy. At one point there was four of us working full time at that shop just repairing equipment. His shop didn't last that long he was out of business within a year. He said he could not operate under such a business model because he wouldn't make any money. Well I guess when he had to spend half the day sweeping the floor and cleaning his bench between every job and he could only get one or two things fixed in a day that would be the case. the rest of us that are making money we're fixing eight or nine or 10 TVs a day. When VCRs were in their Hay day and I was stuck pretty much exclusively on televisions and VCRs if I didn't fix a minimum of five TVs and 10 VCRs myself in a day I had the boss yelling at me. I did TVs and VCRs, camcorders on Friday. My assistant did audio and small portable crap and my other assistant took things apart put them together and dealt with customers and small audio. He also went out on pickups and deliveries so I didn't have to leave the shop to pick stuff up. Every efficient shop that works like we did was a disaster if you looked in the back. We were too busy repairing equipment to stop and clean up after every job. All the busy shops were the same and they all look like a bomb went off inside. Myself I work full time away from the house I don't do this for a living. When I do get into the shop to work my hours are limited because not only do I have to fix this stuff and film a video of the repair I then have to go and sit down and edit the video so I can publish it because that's where I make my money is off the UA-cam revenue. I don't make it from the repair as a rule. Some things I've been well paid to repair but most stuff is done at a loss. About once a month if things slow down a bit I'll actually put away stuff and clean the bench but within one or two jobs it's just as cluttered as it was before cleaning it that's just the way it gets but I know where everything is everything has a place all my tools are stored in the toolbox off camera. my goal is to at some point get through all of this equipment that's sitting here waiting for repair and get it out of here. But customers keep bringing me stuff to repair which takes priority over the equipment that's mine. I'm also just waiting to be able to move the shop into another room inside. That all depends on how quick my son gets his ass out of the house so that I can have that nice big room that he sets up his gaming crap in to use as my studio. I fully intend to build a nice bench with some actual room to set stuff up or I can actually do some work instead of being crammed into a very small space which is what I'm working on now a very small space in the corner of my garage.
5% distortion : (
Everything back then were up there.
Brilliant thanks for the upload 😎
Looks very similar to the one my grandmother had. Hers also had an 8-track built in though. Wish I knew had to fix the turntable on hers at the time. It ended up getting thrown out
Had a budget Fidelity combined record player and 3 band radio tuner with a 5 pin DIN auxiliary in/out socket for a tape recorder. Took it apart and still have the pcb. Have upgraded the transformer/rectifier/smoothing capacitor for the 8Ω speaker load instead of 15/16Ω. Used the early Texas Instruments audio amplifier/fm stereo decoder ic's. Just had the single wideband oval speakers in medium sized cabinets similar to the lower range multiway mini/midi hifi systems of today. Would not know how well the shaded pole motor would run in isolated parts of the less developed parts of the power grid system such as in Eire/Ireland.
Still nice to see a Birmingham Sound Reproducers deck in a Sony
Bloody shitty rumble describes better lol.😁😃
I had 2 record players, both had a BSR turntable in. One was a Bush (very poor at playing some records, keep skipping), the other was a Fidelity, that had a fast turntable, but didn't skip though. I used to stack 8, 7 inch singles, think it was 8 max. Problem was if 1 record had a warp the others wouldn't play very well.
i stand corrected , that one does have a 4 pole motor
Nice information 👍
This is a good repair, love to keep older equipment working. Usually well built to stand against time. Learn a lot to preserve these nicely made equipment keep them working.👍👍
Nice system, mint condition
Awesome! As it happens, I just found a Panasonic BSR deck in the trash that’s seized up. Perfect timing! Thanks!
i think that has a 2 pole motor and 2 pole motors are notorious for causing the rumble
Plastic platter and shitty bearings cause the rumble.
we had a hmk 33 b in the late 70s at home.
I'm surprised the main cam gear wasn't frozen! They always freeze up!
i was born in 78
The best way to free up a freezed up platter is to put a small metal funnel over the spinal and use a small heat gun pointing at the base of the spindle.
Hi nice , there is a video on my channel, I need advice on the cause of the bar in the VHS image , thanks for any idea
I would have locked the tonearm in place when I turn the turntable over, rather than have it flopping about all over the place!
Bug deal. The stylus was removed. Nothing to break.
@@12voltvids It's a delicate setup, you don't want to risk it being damaged. It could get crushed if it gets caught between the turntable & the bench.
@@victor9501 a delicate setup will be a tow arm on say a thorns or Technics or any other high-end turntable. On these dual and BSR these are not precision instruments he's her Mass produce junk from back in the sixties and seventies. It's not going to hurt it.
It's also a good Idea to pull the gear and lube the shaft the gear sits on to provide smoth operation during the cycle. It also would not hurt to drop some grease into the cout out on the other side of the gear.
It was checked off camera. The cam gear has enty of grease and it hasn't dried out.
@@12voltvids I should have known better than to ask, LOL
@@ToneHobart it was just missed on camera like many things half the time my camera is not running when I think it is and other times it's running when I think it's off which will be headed into the next video when I just happened to catch a power amp shut down on camera but here I was in the background whistling away to the music thinking the camera was off when it shut down normally I wouldn't leave that in the video but I figured it was kind of an important element because I caught a failure on camera
@@12voltvids I get it. I have serviced many of those BSR's for other people. closest thing to that I have is my Garrard changer (40 MKII) it has many miles on it but is still one of my favorites, My Dad had one just like it when I was a kid. It gets serviced once a year and works well. every once in a while the shutdown cycle does not work reliably on 78 (Sometimes it does and sometimes it drops the needel on th erecord at the 7 inch spot and shuts off... weird.)
dont show your pets this is an electronics channel
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Come for the retro tech, stay for the cats 🐈
@@12voltvids I think he was referring to the image in your intro, just being finicky and picky like most felines LOL. What some will choose to comment about right?
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The cat clearly upset someone.
@@darinb.3273 Yes I know that intro has mostly been retired someone asked to see it on a prior video so I figured I'd bring it back once or twice. Most of my current stuff uses the fireworks show at the beginning which I know also gets a few people upset and they feel they have to tell me about how upset it makes them. Like I care about their feelings.
aww I wanted to see the rest of this unit !! the cassette and power amp section Interested if had a stk or transistor outputs ?I like this hmk series of all in one stereos .
Transistors for sure on output.
Stk were not devoloped yet. They came around a few years later.