Shout out to Zeyzal for being a guest. He breaks down topics succinctly and doesn't sugar coat bad drafts/executions. You could tell he made a bunch of points Thorin or Monte were just about to make, by their animated facial expressions. Great episode.
Zeyzal always explains the game from a player’s perspective better than most it feels like. Hope he continues finding outlets to explain his observations/analysis after he’s retired
Zeyzal is a really good player, but it's obvious that when he is tired of playing, there will be a place for him in analysis and content creation or even coaching. I am excited to see him staying in the space as a front-facing player.
Unspoken truth re: LPL is that cultural attraction/ lack of attraction does matter. It isn't the main determining factor since if the English language broadcast was super strong and Riot was invested in it then people would watch, but the reality is that people have a different view of China to the one they have of South Korea. People in the West generally just don't like China (see Hong Kong) and though everyone understands that this isn't the players' fault, it is hard to avoid thinking in these categories.
I'm a big fan of the G2 roster so I'm happy they're going to keep playing together, but at the same time I am worried that they're making this play so early on. Every great dynasty team has had some small changes each year with a few players around some central core to stay on top. They got away with it this year with the role swap to stay fresh and motivated but doing that for 2 more years is going to be rough, unless Wunder wants to start playing musical chairs too. Plus I hope they win but if they don't win world's the mental will be tough
The good thing about contracts, they arent absolutely concrete. I'm confident that if the team feels they need to make changes, they will. Regardless of their fiscal responsibilities, and they may even have a way out of these contracts, or the players recieve some sort of play bonus or performance bonus, so a contracted player not playing might hurt them very minimally financially. Although I do not know, I've never looked at a League contract in my life :D.
On the lpl topic, the sad truth is that no one is interested in marketing the lpl. Their native broadcast has enough viewership and is drawing in enough sponsors that they really dont care about the additional 100k western audience.
You say that but IG is trying to branch out. ua-cam.com/users/InvictusGamingIGvideos?view=0&sort=dd&flow=grid 4 months in and they realize they can make money off western viewership.
Interestingly enough, they didnt take this into account, I wonder if part of that negligence in expanding their viewership outside of their country has anything to do with their traditional xenophobia. At this point I would guess money means more to these guys than any lingering xenophobia, but psychology sure is an interesting thing when you're barraged with a message your whole life.
The discussion at the beginning brings me back to competing in giving speeches in high school. All the best speakers learned to talk off the top of their head.
On Thorin's argument at the end (2:19:39), in the case of very good players the NBA is set up so you can make the most money by staying with your team actually in the form of supermax contracts. There are rules about certain accolades the player needs to achieve to be eligible, but another rule is that it can only be offered by the team that drafted the player or traded for their rookie contract. Examples: Steph Curry, James Harden, Russell Westbrook
Thorin is right about how people treat technology as a crutch to do basic tasks that human beings have been doing for hundreds of years and in some cases tens of thousands of years.
I love around 1m where Thorin shouts out Loco for being someone first calling out CDR creep, how bruisers like Aatrox were just breaking the game in regards to their ability to kill an adc
Wonder how it would effect the quality and profitability of the leagues if players started trying to strong arm teams for more money (Even if it is deserved IE: Perkz, Star players, championship rosters). Would be sweet to hear regarding that from people with more of an inside perspective like Monty/Thorin when the topic comes up about players fielding free agency in the off season if that became more common place. Thanks for all the great content guys!
Watching the dam wan drx vod I literally skipped ahead to game 2 right before the throw and was so confused when I saw the 1-0 for drx. I had to go back and watch that throw to even believe it happened
1:56:30 It is amazing how many failings Riot has in their game design. They can't balance their game properly and don't want any creativity (Lane Swap / Funnel / Gold Gen) so they have to put in a dozen opaque mechanics that make the game make no sense
Having guests is nice but Thorin and Monte are just incredible hosts, miles ahead of the scene. I would stay on if they were speaking about almost any imaginable topic. These two are the main reason I'm still into lol esports (started S3). Wouldn't mind intros going on for longer in general. Also, Terence Mckenna wasn't a name I thought I would hear on a lol related show.
do we really think dota is more intuitive than league? i always thought that dota has a super hard learning curve compared to league. that could have been because of when i played, dota-->hon --->lol and then i was so into league that i played 3 games of dota 2 and quit it. Have they made updates to make it more intuitive that im not aware of?
People not watching LPL or LCK more to me is not a problem, tbh is a choice, i know that LPL and LCK are better regions than LCS that i casually watch but i dont have the time to watch multiple regions and just stick with the one that i grew into over the years and became invested in with the stories and narratives, people that do have the free time or were invested in lck from the start do watch these regions but for a big chunk of viewers this is just not feasible
Doesn't feel liek a roast tho. I mean they talked about free agency and Zeyzal himself introduced the topic about his resigning being a mistake. Thorin makes it entertaining but the three talking heads agree about the topic and expand on it
I agree Bjergsen has looked a lot better this split but he did not carry that game when fed and in the past he did. I personally don't know how he kills anyone late but the fact is he didn't carry when ahead.
it was a reddit thread where some random dude claimed he asked his dad(?) who used to work on ESPN, to watch LCS broadcast and tell him what he thinks about it. and then he provided his points, which were 50/50 in my opinion too. his dad would probably make more valid points, if he was shown first friday league, instead of regular LCS, since that was pretty bad
I'm hyped for Damwon, if Korea wins worlds this year it will be Damwon doing it. Canyon's nidalee game gave me Rox Tigers Peanut vibes. They are the new IG imo, they got a super aggressive hard carry LPL style, they just need to refine their style, fix macro and decision making and they are world's contenders for sure.
Why I'm not watching LPL: - The teams I am attached to are playing in the LEC - I only have a limited amount of time and with that I prefer to watch the teams I'm attached to of course LPL is the best region right now but I also didn't watch LCK when Korea was the best region so that alone is not a reason for me to watch it. I'm watching now Sandbox because I want to see Yamato succeed and sometimes skip through T1 in hope of seeing them lose.
If im watching LPL it's purely for the gameplay and a few players. They don't speak my language, The LPL chat/community is awful, There's 17 teams and I only know 3-4 or them.
I think most people don't watch the LPL because there's too many teams. Makes it really hard to follow storylines and they aren't really interested in seeing Top take on a sixteenth place team they've never heard of IN A BEST OF 3!
Nisqy: Bjergsen is the only midlaner that challenges me and is one of the best mids in the entire league with me Thorin: Bjergsen doesnt look good as a player or even a mid laner, there are so many better then him just in NA alone. He is only a safe playing control mage player who sucks. everyone else: Thorin shut the fuck up, you have no idea what youre talking about. Thorin is able to ALWAYS bring froggen into this argument, and works overtime to make bjergsen look bad, literally impossible to take this ginger seriously.
@@belesir8847 Hope you enjoy the read I can't speak for them , but for me knowing that I am experiencing a sick play at the same time as the players and all the majority of the fans is what I am enjoy the most. To give you an example from a tradition sport (as I try to imitate Thorin) in game 6 of the 2013 heat vs spurs match where Ray allen hit that legendary shot. There are so many intangibles that you can't feel by watching the vod. An example of one of them is like how the clock is winding down as Allen is getting the rebound from Chris Bosh the same level of tension is when the baron is going down on a 50/50 or a player is attempting a 1v1 kill and everyone is wondering if the last 2 tiks of ignite will be enough to get the kill.
I dont watch LPL because i don´t care for the players, teams or country tbh. I watch some LCS if i´m in the mood for a fiesta and most of LEC! Essentially i don´t care about the "best" league or gameplay. I´m a bit of a hybrid viewer. I care for skill but no enough to watch some chinese players i don´t care about.
Another thing is I would care for the LPL if the production was a lot better and their stream wouldn't lag randomly where their own team tells you to go to youtube and watch a 2min delay. Hell during the first KR exodus the casters was a huge reason people would give up on watching LPL. It feels like they're too scared to criticize any player. Frosk said it herself that part of her duties was to shill hard for LPL.
You are absolutely right, and that's exactly why I don't watch LEC at all. Don't care about its players, teams nor countries. And the level of play is meh. If I want to watch some real league of legend games, I'd tune into LPL. If I fancy a fun night with some pizza, I'll watch LCS.
Thoorin said in his elitest United is canceled video, that c9 is still backing the show, but it's been moved to back to the old channel in preparation for something he is planning in the nearish future.
Thorin is right about free agency, but if a team has X budget for salaries, and every player could earn 1/3 of that team's budget at other teams - they can't play together and earn the most money at the same time, they have to compromise. If you find 5 incredible players, who are having fun playing together and have good synergie, noone wants to experiment. Look what happened with TL after moving 1 piece. From 1st to 9th. Tldr: Free agency is good for improving the league, fixing player values, but not ideal if you want to be the best in the world.
the thoorin narrative on bjerg is SO exagerated man. Bjerg has being roaming A LOT this split, and has being the only one making plays this split so far. Sure, sometimes he goes for more supportive champs like zilean, looses prio, but thats has to do with the pick and the role the team gives him. Even zeyzal aknowledges this, but is polite enought to not call out thoorin no his delusion...
The biggest problem with tsm is their questionable draft and lose with it. Seriously get someone who known how to draft. TL got Jatt and we rarely complain about their draft. The we look at their players. Broken Blade, he is a bottom tier top laner right now. He is better than new academy top and at same level as washed up NA top laners like Lourlo. However, Broken Blade is an import! We have to put Ryoma’s standard on him. Who is the other import top? Ssumday. Broken Blade is not even close. The we look at Spica, he is at bottom 3-4 at LCS. Yes he is a fresh NA talent at his first split. But this is jungle meta! If you look at those game TSM lose and you can felt the jungle difference. Every game they lose beside the doublelift syndra game, Spica felt doesn’t exist. For Bjergsen, he is not at his prime, but he still is good. He can still solo carry the game like his azir or BD to victory with our. And he DO roam when it make sense. You can’t roam with Azir, ori and zilean. His mid Fid always roam. For his LeBlanc, where should he go? To gank a tank with cc immunity and your top laner loses on counter pick? Or to a double stealth lane with heals and your bot lanners only have poke? For doublelift, yes he can’t play mage. But it is not like everyone else is playing it. There is only 3-4 mage games in NA for the whole split. Yes he make mistakes, but none of them are like Zven ezreal mistakes that lose you the game. For Biofrost he is not great but he is serviceable. At least he save the game with multiple hooks on Ryoma. TLDR: Tsm has bad draft Broken blade is Top lane Ryoma Spica is fresh talent but on a jungle difference meta Bjergsen and Biofrost is serviceable and sometimes can pop off Doublelift often make small mistake but most of the time is serviceable
His take on Bang during SKT 2015-2017 run is hilarious. Duke/Huni are carry like players but SKT had them more so often on utility roles/weak side split pushers. Bang would be the focal/consistent player in their runs. Marin top champs in spring: Maokai Gnar Marin top champs in summer: Rumble Maokai Duke top champs in spring: Poppy Maokai Duke top champs in summer: Trundle Ekko Huni top champs in spring: Rumble Maokai Untara top champs in summer: Rumble J4/Renekton Only one single split when Bang entered his slump(2017 summer) where the top lane picks focused on carry champs. Untara def wasn't the win con like Khan was in 2017.
Does monte not do any research at all? That rant about tower plates at 1:58:00 is completely out of place. You can say you disagree with the tower tankiness mechanic, but saying that it is obscure or difficult to decipher is complete BS. 1- the whole stated reason they added tower plates was to extend lane phase, the dev team told us right from the start they don't want top laners to potentially lose their tower off 1 gank. 2- you can click the tower at any time in the game and read about every effect it has, even ancient stuff like stealth detection, it's all there. 3- even if you don't follow the devs and don't read tooltips or armor values, just play the game. there is no way anyone who plays this game at any level above mega casual didn't notice their damage to the tower go way down after taking plates.
I don't watch LPL because, even though they are the strongest region, they are not strong in a way that's interesting to me. When LCK was dominant, it was because of big brain macro, combined with strong mechanics. Now that the game has somewhat devolved into slamming your face into the other team and hoping you come out on top, LPL reigns, but it doesn't pull me in in the same way.
I 90% agree with you. Maybe the exact same, maybe not, what disturbs me is that LCK was about minimizing risk (vision control, measured dives, counterplay) and i love it for playing like that, while LPL gameplay has an inbuilt coinflip so it will NEVER stop being just *messy*. It doesn't look professional at all, it's guerrilla warfare at best.
Clearly none of you have been watching the LPL since season 8, LCK has been the coin flippy league this split, either that or they are complete snooze with little to no action AND macro. LPL has been macro focused for about a year now
I tend to watch regions based on the cast. I can't stand modern casting which doesn't point out clear mistakes and ones which over hype every crappy moment or crap play. I have no interest in the over eager LPL or NA or even EU lcs casters. But LS tends to give his honest views and when he sees something he disagrees with he makes a joke instead of coming up with a bullshit narrative.
I dont watch lpl for 4 reasons ....1) who are the english broadcasters? cater to me , 2) you talk alot about lcs and lec you should talk about lpl more and maybe ill watch it more, 3) timing ... when do I watch lpl again ... only reason I watch lsc is because im bored and tired after work on a saturday ...4) youtube pushes lcs on me , get youtube to reccomend lpl ill watch . LSC sucks ... im almost done with watching this game
If you want people to watch LPL you'll have to rebroadcast it during Western hours, with a commentary team on hand for every broadcast, and those people will need the funding to make it a good 'show'. Is it sad? Sure. But imagine what American football's numbers would be if their broadcasts were in the middle of the night, commentated by a pair of well meaning dudes with no support, and a significant portion of the games each season were only commentated in a foreign language or on an alternate channel with a ragtag group of (again, well-meaning) people commentating a mute stream. That is what LPL is. I'd be all in favor of allocating the NA LCS studio to simply rebroadcasting LPL matches with some kind of (hilariously variable) production quality, but the franchises in NA might object.
Shout out to Zeyzal for being a guest. He breaks down topics succinctly and doesn't sugar coat bad drafts/executions. You could tell he made a bunch of points Thorin or Monte were just about to make, by their animated facial expressions. Great episode.
Zeyzal is on of the best players in LCS to interview or do any of these LoL shows.
Nothing will ever convince me that zeyzal is not actually a garden gnome.
Zeyzal always explains the game from a player’s perspective better than most it feels like. Hope he continues finding outlets to explain his observations/analysis after he’s retired
Zeyzal is always a great guest. When he leaves pro play as a player I think he can have a future in the game as whatever he pleases honestly.
Zeyzal seems well-spoken
Hes also really smart. Its easy to see why he is known more of a brain player then a mechanical player.
Hope he decides to join the broadcast whenever he decides to retire.
His interviews are always good.
Zeyzal is a cool guest, thanks for your time big man!
Zeyzal is a really good player, but it's obvious that when he is tired of playing, there will be a place for him in analysis and content creation or even coaching. I am excited to see him staying in the space as a front-facing player.
Unspoken truth re: LPL is that cultural attraction/ lack of attraction does matter. It isn't the main determining factor since if the English language broadcast was super strong and Riot was invested in it then people would watch, but the reality is that people have a different view of China to the one they have of South Korea. People in the West generally just don't like China (see Hong Kong) and though everyone understands that this isn't the players' fault, it is hard to avoid thinking in these categories.
Zeyzal is so pleasant to listen to, and has great insight. Glad they got him this time!
Zeyzal was great in this episode, loved hearing his insight!
I'm a big fan of the G2 roster so I'm happy they're going to keep playing together, but at the same time I am worried that they're making this play so early on. Every great dynasty team has had some small changes each year with a few players around some central core to stay on top. They got away with it this year with the role swap to stay fresh and motivated but doing that for 2 more years is going to be rough, unless Wunder wants to start playing musical chairs too.
Plus I hope they win but if they don't win world's the mental will be tough
The good thing about contracts, they arent absolutely concrete. I'm confident that if the team feels they need to make changes, they will. Regardless of their fiscal responsibilities, and they may even have a way out of these contracts, or the players recieve some sort of play bonus or performance bonus, so a contracted player not playing might hurt them very minimally financially. Although I do not know, I've never looked at a League contract in my life :D.
On the lpl topic, the sad truth is that no one is interested in marketing the lpl. Their native broadcast has enough viewership and is drawing in enough sponsors that they really dont care about the additional 100k western audience.
You say that but IG is trying to branch out.
ua-cam.com/users/InvictusGamingIGvideos?view=0&sort=dd&flow=grid
4 months in and they realize they can make money off western viewership.
Interestingly enough, they didnt take this into account, I wonder if part of that negligence in expanding their viewership outside of their country has anything to do with their traditional xenophobia. At this point I would guess money means more to these guys than any lingering xenophobia, but psychology sure is an interesting thing when you're barraged with a message your whole life.
It’s still money that’s just sitting there waiting for someone to take it.
The discussion at the beginning brings me back to competing in giving speeches in high school. All the best speakers learned to talk off the top of their head.
On Thorin's argument at the end (2:19:39), in the case of very good players the NBA is set up so you can make the most money by staying with your team actually in the form of supermax contracts. There are rules about certain accolades the player needs to achieve to be eligible, but another rule is that it can only be offered by the team that drafted the player or traded for their rookie contract. Examples: Steph Curry, James Harden, Russell Westbrook
Thorin is right about how people treat technology as a crutch to do basic tasks that human beings have been doing for hundreds of years and in some cases tens of thousands of years.
I love around 1m where Thorin shouts out Loco for being someone first calling out CDR creep, how bruisers like Aatrox were just breaking the game in regards to their ability to kill an adc
26:26 about LS is one of the reasons why Thoorin will always be content GOAT
That endcard just looks so fucking amazing
The Dive can wait.
Wonder how it would effect the quality and profitability of the leagues if players started trying to strong arm teams for more money (Even if it is deserved IE: Perkz, Star players, championship rosters). Would be sweet to hear regarding that from people with more of an inside perspective like Monty/Thorin when the topic comes up about players fielding free agency in the off season if that became more common place.
Thanks for all the great content guys!
Watching the dam wan drx vod I literally skipped ahead to game 2 right before the throw and was so confused when I saw the 1-0 for drx. I had to go back and watch that throw to even believe it happened
The TSM performance section was straight up fire, I could listen to Throrin flaming TSM for hours, his jokes are actually insanely good and accurate
1:56:30 It is amazing how many failings Riot has in their game design. They can't balance their game properly and don't want any creativity (Lane Swap / Funnel / Gold Gen) so they have to put in a dozen opaque mechanics that make the game make no sense
At this point I'm convinced that Perkz has some sort of astral bond with ocelote
Having guests is nice but Thorin and Monte are just incredible hosts, miles ahead of the scene.
I would stay on if they were speaking about almost any imaginable topic.
These two are the main reason I'm still into lol esports (started S3).
Wouldn't mind intros going on for longer in general.
Also, Terence Mckenna wasn't a name I thought I would hear on a lol related show.
do we really think dota is more intuitive than league? i always thought that dota has a super hard learning curve compared to league. that could have been because of when i played, dota-->hon --->lol and then i was so into league that i played 3 games of dota 2 and quit it. Have they made updates to make it more intuitive that im not aware of?
People not watching LPL or LCK more to me is not a problem, tbh is a choice, i know that LPL and LCK are better regions than LCS that i casually watch but i dont have the time to watch multiple regions and just stick with the one that i grew into over the years and became invested in with the stories and narratives, people that do have the free time or were invested in lck from the start do watch these regions but for a big chunk of viewers this is just not feasible
2:20:47 Have to wait this long to get to the best bit of the whole show. Thorin roasted Zeyzal to a crisp
Doesn't feel liek a roast tho. I mean they talked about free agency and Zeyzal himself introduced the topic about his resigning being a mistake. Thorin makes it entertaining but the three talking heads agree about the topic and expand on it
It's because in scrims if you are behind they have the view of ff. Most teams don't practice how to play behind.
Excited for this one.
Bjergsen segment felt misplaced I would generally agree but this week he played great vs C9
I agree Bjergsen has looked a lot better this split but he did not carry that game when fed and in the past he did. I personally don't know how he kills anyone late but the fact is he didn't carry when ahead.
Zeyzal is always a great guest.
can someone share some more context on their espn feedback discussion? is this an article? a reddit thread? where can i find it?
it was a reddit thread where some random dude claimed he asked his dad(?) who used to work on ESPN, to watch LCS broadcast and tell him what he thinks about it. and then he provided his points, which were 50/50 in my opinion too. his dad would probably make more valid points, if he was shown first friday league, instead of regular LCS, since that was pretty bad
@@n0mjaS thanks!
To be faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaair--
I'm hyped for Damwon, if Korea wins worlds this year it will be Damwon doing it. Canyon's nidalee game gave me Rox Tigers Peanut vibes. They are the new IG imo, they got a super aggressive hard carry LPL style, they just need to refine their style, fix macro and decision making and they are world's contenders for sure.
zeyzal is a great guest
I mean, Perkz is G2. He has been there since challanger series, that probably matters more than the money.
Why I'm not watching LPL: - The teams I am attached to are playing in the LEC
- I only have a limited amount of time and with that I prefer to watch the teams I'm attached to
of course LPL is the best region right now but I also didn't watch LCK when Korea was the best region so that alone is not a reason for me to watch it. I'm watching now Sandbox because I want to see Yamato succeed and sometimes skip through T1 in hope of seeing them lose.
If im watching LPL it's purely for the gameplay and a few players. They don't speak my language, The LPL chat/community is awful, There's 17 teams and I only know 3-4 or them.
Speaking about ruining everyones fun and not having fun yourself, Tank fiddle in a nutshell.
I think most people don't watch the LPL because there's too many teams. Makes it really hard to follow storylines and they aren't really interested in seeing Top take on a sixteenth place team they've never heard of IN A BEST OF 3!
Nisqy: Bjergsen is the only midlaner that challenges me and is one of the best mids in the entire league with me
Thorin: Bjergsen doesnt look good as a player or even a mid laner, there are so many better then him just in NA alone. He is only a safe playing control mage player who sucks.
everyone else: Thorin shut the fuck up, you have no idea what youre talking about.
Thorin is able to ALWAYS bring froggen into this argument, and works overtime to make bjergsen look bad, literally impossible to take this ginger seriously.
I dont watch lpl because I dont like watching if its not live and I cant do that for lpl
@@belesir8847
Hope you enjoy the read
I can't speak for them , but for me knowing that I am experiencing a sick play at the same time as the players and all the majority of the fans is what I am enjoy the most. To give you an example from a tradition sport (as I try to imitate Thorin) in game 6 of the 2013 heat vs spurs match where Ray allen hit that legendary shot. There are so many intangibles that you can't feel by watching the vod. An example of one of them is like how the clock is winding down as Allen is getting the rebound from Chris Bosh the same level of tension is when the baron is going down on a 50/50 or a player is attempting a 1v1 kill and everyone is wondering if the last 2 tiks of ignite will be enough to get the kill.
I dont watch LPL because i don´t care for the players, teams or country tbh. I watch some LCS if i´m in the mood for a fiesta and most of LEC!
Essentially i don´t care about the "best" league or gameplay. I´m a bit of a hybrid viewer. I care for skill but no enough to watch some chinese players i don´t care about.
Another thing is I would care for the LPL if the production was a lot better and their stream wouldn't lag randomly where their own team tells you to go to youtube and watch a 2min delay.
Hell during the first KR exodus the casters was a huge reason people would give up on watching LPL. It feels like they're too scared to criticize any player. Frosk said it herself that part of her duties was to shill hard for LPL.
You are absolutely right, and that's exactly why I don't watch LEC at all. Don't care about its players, teams nor countries. And the level of play is meh. If I want to watch some real league of legend games, I'd tune into LPL. If I fancy a fun night with some pizza, I'll watch LCS.
is the c9 sponsorship over?
Thoorin said in his elitest United is canceled video, that c9 is still backing the show, but it's been moved to back to the old channel in preparation for something he is planning in the nearish future.
TSM needs alphari from og on top and svenskeren or Xmithie in jungle if you ask me and the would be the best.
TSM needs Parth removed and Regi distancing himself from the day-to-day. The problems are systemic, never the players on TSM, we already know that
Duck Dynastie's forgotten son
Thorin is right about free agency, but if a team has X budget for salaries, and every player could earn 1/3 of that team's budget at other teams - they can't play together and earn the most money at the same time, they have to compromise. If you find 5 incredible players, who are having fun playing together and have good synergie, noone wants to experiment. Look what happened with TL after moving 1 piece. From 1st to 9th. Tldr: Free agency is good for improving the league, fixing player values, but not ideal if you want to be the best in the world.
the thoorin narrative on bjerg is SO exagerated man. Bjerg has being roaming A LOT this split, and has being the only one making plays this split so far. Sure, sometimes he goes for more supportive champs like zilean, looses prio, but thats has to do with the pick and the role the team gives him.
Even zeyzal aknowledges this, but is polite enought to not call out thoorin no his delusion...
The biggest problem with tsm is their questionable draft and lose with it. Seriously get someone who known how to draft. TL got Jatt and we rarely complain about their draft. The we look at their players. Broken Blade, he is a bottom tier top laner right now. He is better than new academy top and at same level as washed up NA top laners like Lourlo. However, Broken Blade is an import! We have to put Ryoma’s standard on him. Who is the other import top? Ssumday. Broken Blade is not even close. The we look at Spica, he is at bottom 3-4 at LCS. Yes he is a fresh NA talent at his first split. But this is jungle meta! If you look at those game TSM lose and you can felt the jungle difference. Every game they lose beside the doublelift syndra game, Spica felt doesn’t exist. For Bjergsen, he is not at his prime, but he still is good. He can still solo carry the game like his azir or BD to victory with our. And he DO roam when it make sense. You can’t roam with Azir, ori and zilean. His mid Fid always roam. For his LeBlanc, where should he go? To gank a tank with cc immunity and your top laner loses on counter pick? Or to a double stealth lane with heals and your bot lanners only have poke? For doublelift, yes he can’t play mage. But it is not like everyone else is playing it. There is only 3-4 mage games in NA for the whole split. Yes he make mistakes, but none of them are like Zven ezreal mistakes that lose you the game. For Biofrost he is not great but he is serviceable. At least he save the game with multiple hooks on Ryoma.
TLDR:
Tsm has bad draft
Broken blade is Top lane Ryoma
Spica is fresh talent but on a jungle difference meta
Bjergsen and Biofrost is serviceable and sometimes can pop off
Doublelift often make small mistake but most of the time is serviceable
LPL is epic
7:10 Why aren't people watching LPL? It's not because of narratives, its because its at fucking 4am lol
ooh this will be nice ^~^
Shoutout to big Z
I feel like monte lost a lvl 1 vs trynd and that is why he hates crit so much
I remember critting to get a kill in the top lane with a single crit mark.
53:00 thoorin said deft was the worst adc confirmed .... why thoorin, you must have 50 iq
His take on Bang during SKT 2015-2017 run is hilarious. Duke/Huni are carry like players but SKT had them more so often on utility roles/weak side split pushers. Bang would be the focal/consistent player in their runs.
Marin top champs in spring:
Maokai
Gnar
Marin top champs in summer:
Rumble
Maokai
Duke top champs in spring:
Poppy
Maokai
Duke top champs in summer:
Trundle
Ekko
Huni top champs in spring:
Rumble
Maokai
Untara top champs in summer:
Rumble
J4/Renekton
Only one single split when Bang entered his slump(2017 summer) where the top lane picks focused on carry champs. Untara def wasn't the win con like Khan was in 2017.
52:40 He says: Deft is a Goat-Adc. Guess your iq is 50
I think monte could do better with someone else .... like 3/4 thorin
I don't want the LCS to look anything like an ESPN broadcast. Take inspiration from your other product in Europe. Thanks.
Does monte not do any research at all? That rant about tower plates at 1:58:00 is completely out of place. You can say you disagree with the tower tankiness mechanic, but saying that it is obscure or difficult to decipher is complete BS.
1- the whole stated reason they added tower plates was to extend lane phase, the dev team told us right from the start they don't want top laners to potentially lose their tower off 1 gank.
2- you can click the tower at any time in the game and read about every effect it has, even ancient stuff like stealth detection, it's all there.
3- even if you don't follow the devs and don't read tooltips or armor values, just play the game. there is no way anyone who plays this game at any level above mega casual didn't notice their damage to the tower go way down after taking plates.
His rant was about the visual representation of the tower. Literally nothing you said addresses that.
Well he is simple you know ;)
I don't watch LPL because, even though they are the strongest region, they are not strong in a way that's interesting to me. When LCK was dominant, it was because of big brain macro, combined with strong mechanics. Now that the game has somewhat devolved into slamming your face into the other team and hoping you come out on top, LPL reigns, but it doesn't pull me in in the same way.
I 90% agree with you. Maybe the exact same, maybe not, what disturbs me is that LCK was about minimizing risk (vision control, measured dives, counterplay) and i love it for playing like that, while LPL gameplay has an inbuilt coinflip so it will NEVER stop being just *messy*. It doesn't look professional at all, it's guerrilla warfare at best.
Clearly none of you have been watching the LPL since season 8, LCK has been the coin flippy league this split, either that or they are complete snooze with little to no action AND macro. LPL has been macro focused for about a year now
@@AG-kk4zy LDG does not represent the entire league. Even if they're the best team in the world TES always pick for lane, what are you on?
Jee, fk Monte laught! Stop, just stop!
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I tend to watch regions based on the cast. I can't stand modern casting which doesn't point out clear mistakes and ones which over hype every crappy moment or crap play. I have no interest in the over eager LPL or NA or even EU lcs casters. But LS tends to give his honest views and when he sees something he disagrees with he makes a joke instead of coming up with a bullshit narrative.
Thorin is so annoying. Every “pundit” in this community just hates on 100t
I dont watch lpl for 4 reasons ....1) who are the english broadcasters? cater to me , 2) you talk alot about lcs and lec you should talk about lpl more and maybe ill watch it more, 3) timing ... when do I watch lpl again ... only reason I watch lsc is because im bored and tired after work on a saturday ...4) youtube pushes lcs on me , get youtube to reccomend lpl ill watch . LSC sucks ... im almost done with watching this game
If you want people to watch LPL you'll have to rebroadcast it during Western hours, with a commentary team on hand for every broadcast, and those people will need the funding to make it a good 'show'.
Is it sad? Sure. But imagine what American football's numbers would be if their broadcasts were in the middle of the night, commentated by a pair of well meaning dudes with no support, and a significant portion of the games each season were only commentated in a foreign language or on an alternate channel with a ragtag group of (again, well-meaning) people commentating a mute stream.
That is what LPL is. I'd be all in favor of allocating the NA LCS studio to simply rebroadcasting LPL matches with some kind of (hilariously variable) production quality, but the franchises in NA might object.