Well done for reporting the truth and not sugar coating the towing failure. I think given a bit of time byd and other Chinese brands will make some unreal cars for towing and travel around aus. This is all part of the process and I'm sure this car will be perfect for some people.
This is seriously good research. Just the sort of information the manufacturers need to improve their products. I'm still sold on the Shark though. The camper trailer I tow is only 1.1 tonnes - so all good.
This is a vastly better ute for people who doesn’t tow heavy loads over long distances every day of the year..the electric motor-battery will really cut down fuel consumption&improve ride comforts on those short daily suburban journeys most people do most of the time in their utes..
@@CarExpertAus yip - most people will not be putting it to these extremes but it is important to TEST these extremes in order to gauge its limits and, for those few who do intend to operate at these extreme limits, to have realistic expectations. I see many are busting your balls for giving this ute a decent shakedown and a generally positive review - it would seem they're letting their ideological and political views taint even simple car reviews now xD
@@Johnnie007ificationover long distances it will be fine. Where it will drop to 75km/h is long climb towing 2.5t - not many places in oz where that’ll matter.
Thanks, Paul. Overall very impressed considering my max load will only be 1.5 t. I think with a bit of education and management the under two tonners will be very happy. Looking forward to delivery in March. Thanks for your work.
It's pretty clear from the comments that a lot of people have no idea how this machine works. I would have been interested to know how far it is likely to be able to tow up a decent incline with a good starting state of charge. If I am towing with mine I will keep the minimum state of charge high so this doesn't happen. If I do come across a hill that is likely to reduce the battery too low I'll just slow down. Problem solved. It might take a bit of work getting the feel for it but I am looking forward to playing around with all the settings to get the best out of it.
It's a less than 5-year-old product and has plenty of room for improvement..... Combustion pickup is a product about 100 years old and the room for improvement is much smaller
Paul, these towing test videos are fantastic. I’ve watched all the mega tests multiple times, this one was also full of great information. Please continue doing these types of videos.
I've got a Sealion 6 - near enough the same drivetrain. Absolutely epic car by any measure, and a category killer for the mid-large SUV segment. Excited by the Shark.
Always factual honest and genuine reviews. Thanks Paul. This is already expected. Best remedy for this I reckon is set battery level to 75% or so once you left home if you are expecting this kind of long uphill stressful haul . I don't think it d be issue as you are driving above 70kph on highway and engine help drive. Some people who live in hilly suburb and have really steep driveways may have issue pulling up as there is no gear or torque inverter reduction, and also engine will not kick in as speed is under 70. But still this is the hell lot of ute for money.
You must leave it in charge mode for towing. This is the same setup as the Mitsubishi Outlander phev. I tow all the time a 1 ton trailer and it's a 13kw battery and 140kw electric power. Leave it on battery charge mode and it uses the battery up hills. Also towed 1.5ton for 2000 kms around East Cape in New Zealand. Handled it amazingly well and no flat battery. I flew up the very steep Arthur's pass in the Southern Alps in NZ towing 1ton and a loaded SUV. The only car that could pass me was a Ford XR6. You must keep the battery well above 50% before hills and use it for getting up hills. Recharge on the way down and flats.
My shark is coming next month, just test drove it today. It's going to take some getting used to but seems good. I do very little off road driving and zero towing so it'll be perfect for me
What was the battery percentage when you started the tow torture test laps with the DYNE? This is an important piece of information in the scheme of the test. Otherwise good video and info.
Am I completely reading this test wrong? Have you just tested the vehicle with 3kn load at 100kmh WITHOUT allowing the ICE to keep the battery charged? If so that is not real world conditions and it is incredibly misleading by implying that the vehicle was incapable of pulling that load. You are correct in saying that this situation ‘could potentially happen’ …but so could your ICE engine failing if you drove everywhere in 1st gear!!! I dare you test it again, in HEV mode, with SOC on at say 50%….go on, how difficult would that be…
Yeah its wild that he didnt even mention the SoC engine setting at all in this "towing test". I would have thought that setting would have been the focus of this video.
The BYD Shark is a disruptor & will start a PHEV ute revolution right across the world. So many people I know have orders for them here in Australia, and the quality for price is unbeatable.
Has Carexpert contacted BYD to ensure the vehicle has the latest software updates as this is pre-production? Nothing will stop this selling out before release regardless as its a game changer given its price and equipment levels .. most people will set the engine to tow at heavy loads at 80 maybe even 90 or 100 percent SOC ... nothing can touch this in the Aussie market as it serves to call out the ridiculous prices paid for diesel tractors seranading as utes. Finally, the video is obviously cut off and doesnt show battery levels visually .. so is Carexpert trying to say that at 100% battery level the car couldnt do 5 laps when set to 90% SOC? Exactly how was the battery depleted so quickly in 1 lap ?
@@camsmith4047Of course it is. Because the SOC was not set to maintain 70%, it was able to deplete to a level that the car could no longer sustain power. The correct setting would have resulted in a test with a very different outcome.
@@camsmith4047 It is in this car as it sets off the petrol engine to charge the battery as the petrol engine acts as a generator .. the higher it is set the sooner the battery is charged by the petrol engine .. in a max towing test this would be set at 80% to 100% or the highest allowed by the vehicle
Regarding your last point about it not being able to engine brake once the battery is too hot/full - I’m surprised it doesn’t use the electric motor to spin the ICE like Toyota hybrids do when their batteries are too full or hot - this is basically engine braking like in any other car and slows them down pretty effectively - I don’t see why the Shark couldn’t do the same thing so I’m surprised it doesn’t 🤷♂️
Yep, we started towing with the trailer dyne when we were finished with the hill road. Battery would have been around 60%. It took around one lap to drain the battery with the dyne set to 3kN.
Thanks, been waiting for this review and it was excellent. TBH the Shark performed much better than I thought it would be. Even the fuel economy when fully laden was ok (forget the percentage increase, I was interested in the comparisons -those Raptors are atrocious). Given I would never, in any vehicle, be towing at maximum capability, and my towing is a 1.2t boat, I think the Shark will be a good choice for that and for my everyday practical use. But I’ll let others be the bunnies first to get some real world experiences before I put my order in.
In my opinion, it’s a good business man’s truck, but if you’re in the construction field. I’ll stick to my Chevy 3500 HD. SWB it was a good honest review excellent video
Id love to see you and Joe Cadogan doing a tag team on this. I do like the vehicle and want to see more electric (less DIEsel) but there's a way to go yet..
I wouldn't say this is a terrible result but its utility is reduced for certain applications. It would probably be a fantastic car for a tradie or camper given it's basically a huge portable battery with a large inverter. If the production version's SOC limit works (assuming your driving doesn't eat the battery from high consistent drivetrain load) it could be an extremely useful car even with the fuel consumption trade-off.
You hit the incline with a heap of speed...try coming to a dead stop, simulating a traffic light. See if it can actually take off or get stuck on the hill?
It passes me off the BYD didn't show off the towing test when it shipped all the sellouts to China to rave on about it. I nearly put a deposit down, but when I couldn't find any info on towing my bullshit meter started ringing. Whats the point of a ute that can't sustainably tow for a long duration? To be fair it would be interesting to see what would have happened if you set the state of charge to 50-60%.
Paul, I know you said one of the worst towing vehicles was the new jeep grand Cherokee. It only has a 2.8 tonne towing capacity. I'm wondering considering you ranked it right at the bottom if this is any better?
I hadbig hopes for this car but its a massive let down. They really should have put the u8 drive train in it and gave it a decent payload and towing capacity. I really dont understand why all utes dont have a 4495kg gvm and a 8-9t GCM
Nice. Did better than I expected. Does this change your views on the cause of the 4wd Hill climb issues? You need a lot of torque in both scenarios. Interesting that it could accelerate so well up that hill laden.
I am pretty sure it will be significantly improved with software updates to the traction control. Videos out of South America show it performing really well in lots of serious terrain.
It’s hard to say without any real-world usage data to go by. I do agree that it does seem a little disappointing, however, realistically, if you were going to put yourself on the road with 2.5T and a load on board you just wouldn’t leave the battery to run down to 25%, you’d set the limit to more like 50%-75% and just accept that while you’re towing in hilly regions your average fuel economy is going to be poor. Hills don’t go on for days and the battery doesn’t simply deplete in minutes, if you just work to your strengths instead of just lowing on regardless I reckon it’ll be fine.
That's some interesting info, and in my experience, not really an edge case. I've driven through some really hilly country on the main highway that would really put this to the test
a real world test to see if that failure would happen is to tow 2.5 tonne up mount Ousley near wollongong, it’s a 5km up hill run , see if it will tow at the speed limit up the entire hill and still have some in reserve as there’s a few good hills very close beyond that
What happens even if not towing on a long trip. Say I want to drive 800 km at some point the battery will get low. Does the petrol motor enable highway speeds on hill country or is it going to slow to 70 km?
If u r not towing, the engine will have enough Kw to charge the battery and drive the wheels at the same time because u don't really need that much of power for "cruising" on high speed, usually less than 40kw for 100km/h. So as long as u have enough fuel it will be fine.
Great test. But the power only dropped to a very low value after manually turning save mode off? As well this happens when tow a 3kN trailer accelerating sharply and maintaining highway speeds. For most towing scenarios, I think it's a great performer.
So it's great for towing say 300 clicks out of any city, as long as there are only about 3 or 4 decent hills between you and Dingo Piss Creek? Lucky there are only a couple of small hills on the eastern side of Australia ...
Haha for the 0 to 100 had to use the most powerful competitor models to be in the same ball park and they arent even close in price. This is BYDs first attempt, keep that in mind. It isn't i ute to tow a caravan around Australia so its flattering that you think of it like that.
So BYD could slot a more powerful ICE under the bonnet. Something like a 2L turbo with 180kw. Regen is also depends on battery SOC . You cant regen if the battery is close to full.
They already did. It on the SUV version of the platform called fangchengbao 8, but it's currently only available in China. Btw they also added 2 differentials both front and rear, a low gear transmission on the rear motor and a hydraulic suspension set up on it, which makes bao 8 a much better off roader than the shark.
It seems it tows Ok when the battery is charged, but flat battery gives a gutless ute. So in the real world it is only if the battery is charged it is any good and you would not want to tow long distances sitting on 100kph.. If I towed at the slow speeds you did in this test with the caravan on the back, l would have some pretty unhappy motorists behind me.
Towing at 100kmph would not use the same energy required here. Paul's Hill road loop went from 70 to 65 and included planting on steep uphills with 2.5 tonnes and max payload.
Something tells me this car wasn't setup properly or the production vehicle he's been given isn't the latest software. Other youtubers will tow test and it will perform exceptionally well, much like the hillclimb test that failed here but aced it on other channels.
How can you say this towing performance is ok?? So there is a very high likelihood that on a long journey (and towing) you need to overtake a big truck and then the Shark runs out of steam?? How dangerous is that!? What am I missing here?
Doubters are going to doubt anyway. .... If you show them 10km of towing, they will ask for 50 km. If you have shown them 50 km, they will ask for 100 km .... so on ...... and for other things .....
As one who has the order in and "will" purchase mine, it is showing it's limits. I know straight away of one scenario where the vehicle will be in trouble pulling a trailer of 2.5T. Oxley Highway...Port Macquarie up the Walcha mountain. This is the major interlink from the coast to the Western area like Tamworth/Armidale/Inverell/etc. And I don't think that this is a software issue. So, yes...long inclines with 2.5T towing will be an issue for the owners that are inclined to do this.
@@fatdoi003 Or just go to the closest public charger and charge it to 100% and set limit to 50% before going uphill. Just need a bit of planning I guess. However it is good for Paul to really test the limit of the shark. Worst come to worst stop the car on the side of the road let the engine charge the battery then move on.
@@luffytaz5482 There is no public charger until you get to the top of Walcha. There is now a 60KW charger in Wauchope. Wauchope to Walcha is 162km and at least 140km of pure climbing. No chargers in between.
Very surprising that you dont show the state of charge at all till the very end of the video where its having issues. And you didnt mention the SoC engine kickon setting, which I would have thought would be the main setting you'd adjust if youre towing. Maybe you did it all correct, but to not discuss it thoroughly or even show it detracts from the validity of this video.
Goodnreview and shows the massive failure compared to ice utes. Notbthat much faster than raptor withbthe advantage ofbhave ev power. Fuel % jump alarming. Moreso, when the shark could not sit on 100km. It would have been far far worse. EV / hybrid good and bad like all vehicles. But, with Australias pendant for hauling vans/trailers long distances. The shark at this time, falls very short of its competitors.
LOL - I am predicting heaps of BYD Sharks parked on the side of Aussie highways waiting for the battery to catchup so they can keep moving to the next service station to refill the tank every 200km LOL This was the same findings off-roading, where it uses about 200% more fuel than a normal ICE 4WD. Great town car, but not going to work for touring or towing long range.
Law of physic can not be defied, tho they been putting out that powertrain on Lepord 8 which is 2.0T with 3 electric motor could help with the edge senario
Some of the comparisons here are not comparing apples with apples. You compare a plug in hybrid with 2.5t towing with an ICE with 3.5t towing and compare power and fuel consumption. GVM is widely different. Also no mention of range. Quite important for tradies towing tool trailers, excavators etc. Also grey nomads towing 3 to 3.5t caravans and skiers/wakeboarders towing their massive malibu boats. Kind of important to see if it will work for them. Range is the biggest reason not to buy one in my opinion.
Not true at all. We used the same trailer dyne load in our recent ute test, along with the same trailer weight for the hill road. The results are directly comparable. In terms of range, it's a 60L tank, so it's going to mean lots of stops if you're towing at capacity.
Thanks largely a good test but I don't understand why you did not complete the dyno test with the battery at a higher % the system is set up to allow the driver to set SOC I would like to know fuel use while maintaining the SOC at 50 or above % as well as your final test with the battery @13% which as expected resulted in a fail given you effectively have a small capacity ICE front wheel drive 2.7 ton ute.
Stop misleading people,Its a series hybrid you must keep the battery charged. If you can't do that then don't buy it.every electric car slow down when the battery is empty so if you can't keep it topped up don't buy one.
I'd say so - this is the same car we used for our earlier test. Although if it locks at 50% you'll run into the same issue with the speed slowing down if it doesn't allow the charge to get below 50%.
@@CarExpertAusI think you’ll find it doesn’t lock it at 50% (or whatever), it simply tries its best to keep it at 50% so after it has dipped below the set level due to “need” (such as a hill climb) it will work at charging back to that 50% before shutting down the petrol engine. At least that’s what I have gleaned from trolling all the reviews on this thing trying to figure it out.
Have serious reservations on PHEV durability/longer term repair costs anyway.Not sold on Shark as serious pickup. Time will tell and good luck to the guinea pigs.
Great information thank you I ordered a 25 plate V6 Wildtrak in August then I saw all the overly enthusiastic reviews by Australian reviewers on the BYD Shark which seem a wee bit suspect. Thanks for your honest reviews I enjoy them. I pick up my Wildtrak this Friday Merry Christmas.
Try and get a Hybrid that other manufacturers make to tow anything and have fuel economy of what? 5 litres per 100 km and no petrol on EV mode for 60km. This thing tech is beyond impressive. a BYD U8 have much more power and torque and probably more capable.
God dam. Interesting, y'all want to tow heavy, buy a heavy duty full sized truck, preferably diesel. With we got that ute here but Trumps banned them. Would make a good mall crawler for the misso.
has he done hes ford at max can anyone say i dont think so hes trying to bring down the shark most or all who buy this not going do this hes a ford fan
Impressive performance no doubt. If the car is going to be used as a pavement princess then this would be ideal. I still believe the best all rounder lifestyle, towing, off road and performance goes to the ranger raptor with nothing else coming close.
No it doesn’t. Go to table at 14:55 and have another look. Raptor uses 6.5L/100km more when fully laden. And it’s only 1 to 2 L/100km more than all the others when fully laden. The 383% is the difference between unladen and laden. It’s much higher as it uses significantly less fuel unladen than the competition. Fully Laden it’s chewing through the battery fast and reliant on the petrol engine to power the vehicle and charge the battery. Which is completely expected.
When you're towing a heavy load, you're meant to set the battery to a decent charge minimum like 50% so that doesn't happen. You seem hell bent in showing the Byd Shark 6 in the worst possible light. Perhaps you should engage your brain before doing some of these tests.
Regardless of what you decide to 'lock' the battery at, once you reach that preset limit if it's not drawing energy from the battery it's limited to a small petrol engine that will struggle to tow the load as you see in the video. You're welcome to argue with opinion, but you can't argue with facts, no matter how much you don't want them to be true.
I have got to ask how much will you promote this one product. Can you please post some other videos. I understand you need money to survive. But greed will demolish.
made in china is made in china.. 30l per 100km? no engine brake on long downhill? good luck 😂 what's the point of UTE.. this kind of cars should be banned.
Dear Paul, You may get a woody and all excited about this new BYD from Chinah, making some excuses for it being a prototype, but real Aussie Ute drivers ain't going to touch this hybrid EV because it's like a 100m sprinter ,all fast and flashing with a fully charged battery on the sealed hyway ,but get out of town a few miles and the Fat overweight Bok Choi couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding running out of huff n Puff and the pissy little Combustion engine takes over ,Sorry mate l can see serious regret buying one of these useless EV,s
Well done for reporting the truth and not sugar coating the towing failure. I think given a bit of time byd and other Chinese brands will make some unreal cars for towing and travel around aus. This is all part of the process and I'm sure this car will be perfect for some people.
This is seriously good research. Just the sort of information the manufacturers need to improve their products. I'm still sold on the Shark though. The camper trailer I tow is only 1.1 tonnes - so all good.
For most people this car will be great.
This is a vastly better ute for people who doesn’t tow heavy loads over long distances every day of the year..the electric motor-battery will really cut down fuel consumption&improve ride comforts on those short daily suburban journeys most people do most of the time in their utes..
@@CarExpertAus yip - most people will not be putting it to these extremes but it is important to TEST these extremes in order to gauge its limits and, for those few who do intend to operate at these extreme limits, to have realistic expectations.
I see many are busting your balls for giving this ute a decent shakedown and a generally positive review - it would seem they're letting their ideological and political views taint even simple car reviews now xD
@@Johnnie007ificationover long distances it will be fine. Where it will drop to 75km/h is long climb towing 2.5t - not many places in oz where that’ll matter.
@@Johnnie007ificationtrue
Thanks, Paul. Overall very impressed considering my max load will only be 1.5 t. I think with a bit of education and management the under two tonners will be very happy. Looking forward to delivery in March. Thanks for your work.
The 2.5 tonners will be fine as well, as long as they expect to be doing only 75km/h up a long ascent.
It's pretty clear from the comments that a lot of people have no idea how this machine works. I would have been interested to know how far it is likely to be able to tow up a decent incline with a good starting state of charge. If I am towing with mine I will keep the minimum state of charge high so this doesn't happen. If I do come across a hill that is likely to reduce the battery too low I'll just slow down. Problem solved.
It might take a bit of work getting the feel for it but I am looking forward to playing around with all the settings to get the best out of it.
It's a less than 5-year-old product and has plenty of room for improvement.....
Combustion pickup is a product about 100 years old and the room for improvement is much smaller
Tbh, it’s rare to see a Ute towing 2500kg+ and traveling over 100kph on highway..
Exactly. It was still doing 75km/h up a long incline with 2.5t
Paul, these towing test videos are fantastic. I’ve watched all the mega tests multiple times, this one was also full of great information. Please continue doing these types of videos.
Thanks! We appreciate the feedback.
I've got a Sealion 6 - near enough the same drivetrain. Absolutely epic car by any measure, and a category killer for the mid-large SUV segment. Excited by the Shark.
Epic fail.....😆
says the Renault owner....
@@erwin734ha ha, never failed. Epic car....😃 10 years old now. Let's see how many byd's make it to 10 years....😆
Always factual honest and genuine reviews. Thanks Paul. This is already expected. Best remedy for this I reckon is set battery level to 75% or so once you left home if you are expecting this kind of long uphill stressful haul . I don't think it d be issue as you are driving above 70kph on highway and engine help drive. Some people who live in hilly suburb and have really steep driveways may have issue pulling up as there is no gear or torque inverter reduction, and also engine will not kick in as speed is under 70. But still this is the hell lot of ute for money.
You must leave it in charge mode for towing. This is the same setup as the Mitsubishi Outlander phev. I tow all the time a 1 ton trailer and it's a 13kw battery and 140kw electric power. Leave it on battery charge mode and it uses the battery up hills. Also towed 1.5ton for 2000 kms around East Cape in New Zealand. Handled it amazingly well and no flat battery. I flew up the very steep Arthur's pass in the Southern Alps in NZ towing 1ton and a loaded SUV. The only car that could pass me was a Ford XR6. You must keep the battery well above 50% before hills and use it for getting up hills. Recharge on the way down and flats.
My shark is coming next month, just test drove it today. It's going to take some getting used to but seems good. I do very little off road driving and zero towing so it'll be perfect for me
What was the battery percentage when you started the tow torture test laps with the DYNE? This is an important piece of information in the scheme of the test. Otherwise good video and info.
Yes, it’d be better to have some key information presented as I think the lack of it has caused some suspicion
This will make youtube history 👌 bring on John
Am I completely reading this test wrong? Have you just tested the vehicle with 3kn load at 100kmh WITHOUT allowing the ICE to keep the battery charged? If so that is not real world conditions and it is incredibly misleading by implying that the vehicle was incapable of pulling that load. You are correct in saying that this situation ‘could potentially happen’ …but so could your ICE engine failing if you drove everywhere in 1st gear!!! I dare you test it again, in HEV mode, with SOC on at say 50%….go on, how difficult would that be…
Yeah its wild that he didnt even mention the SoC engine setting at all in this "towing test". I would have thought that setting would have been the focus of this video.
The BYD Shark is a disruptor & will start a PHEV ute revolution right across the world. So many people I know have orders for them here in Australia, and the quality for price is unbeatable.
Has Carexpert contacted BYD to ensure the vehicle has the latest software updates as this is pre-production?
Nothing will stop this selling out before release regardless as its a game changer given its price and equipment levels .. most people will set the engine to tow at heavy loads at 80 maybe even 90 or 100 percent SOC ... nothing can touch this in the Aussie market as it serves to call out the ridiculous prices paid for diesel tractors seranading as utes.
Finally, the video is obviously cut off and doesnt show battery levels visually .. so is Carexpert trying to say that at 100% battery level the car couldnt do 5 laps when set to 90% SOC?
Exactly how was the battery depleted so quickly in 1 lap ?
BYD does not need to address the public anything as what's tested is only a prototype....
The SOC isn't that important in a hybrid compared to a BEV when measuring performance
@@camsmith4047Of course it is. Because the SOC was not set to maintain 70%, it was able to deplete to a level that the car could no longer sustain power. The correct setting would have resulted in a test with a very different outcome.
@@camsmith4047 It is in this car as it sets off the petrol engine to charge the battery as the petrol engine acts as a generator .. the higher it is set the sooner the battery is charged by the petrol engine .. in a max towing test this would be set at 80% to 100% or the highest allowed by the vehicle
One of the most beneficial videos I’ve seen for the these new utes and especially for the ozzy market 🎉
I’m gonna wait till it can tow 5 tonnes, because I have nothing else better to do
Regarding your last point about it not being able to engine brake once the battery is too hot/full - I’m surprised it doesn’t use the electric motor to spin the ICE like Toyota hybrids do when their batteries are too full or hot - this is basically engine braking like in any other car and slows them down pretty effectively - I don’t see why the Shark couldn’t do the same thing so I’m surprised it doesn’t 🤷♂️
Paul how long is one lap with the trailer dyne? Also what weight trailer and uphill slope does the 3kn equate to roughly?
should set your battery at 70% when towing, so the battery won't go below 15%
Yep, we started towing with the trailer dyne when we were finished with the hill road. Battery would have been around 60%. It took around one lap to drain the battery with the dyne set to 3kN.
If the ice could keep up to the power draw the battery would not have fallen under the 25% limit in the first place.
It might really need a 2.0T petrol from the U8 to do this and beyond
@@Trad-ArcherThen you need a much more powerful ice. 100kw seems to be all it could manage that day.
@@Trad-Archer Spot on.
Thanks, been waiting for this review and it was excellent. TBH the Shark performed much better than I thought it would be. Even the fuel economy when fully laden was ok (forget the percentage increase, I was interested in the comparisons -those Raptors are atrocious). Given I would never, in any vehicle, be towing at maximum capability, and my towing is a 1.2t boat, I think the Shark will be a good choice for that and for my everyday practical use. But I’ll let others be the bunnies first to get some real world experiences before I put my order in.
In my opinion, it’s a good business man’s truck, but if you’re in the construction field. I’ll stick to my Chevy 3500 HD. SWB
it was a good honest review excellent video
Id love to see you and Joe Cadogan doing a tag team on this. I do like the vehicle and want to see more electric (less DIEsel) but there's a way to go yet..
I dare say that regen would be nil when the battery is full, or near full.
I wouldn't say this is a terrible result but its utility is reduced for certain applications. It would probably be a fantastic car for a tradie or camper given it's basically a huge portable battery with a large inverter. If the production version's SOC limit works (assuming your driving doesn't eat the battery from high consistent drivetrain load) it could be an extremely useful car even with the fuel consumption trade-off.
You hit the incline with a heap of speed...try coming to a dead stop, simulating a traffic light. See if it can actually take off or get stuck on the hill?
Yep, will try that when we get the production car. We had limited time with the car to film this content.
@@CarExpertAusplease do the same tests again with prod car, keen to see the difference. Also hope BYD is watching and learning from this!
It passes me off the BYD didn't show off the towing test when it shipped all the sellouts to China to rave on about it.
I nearly put a deposit down, but when I couldn't find any info on towing my bullshit meter started ringing. Whats the point of a ute that can't sustainably tow for a long duration?
To be fair it would be interesting to see what would have happened if you set the state of charge to 50-60%.
Paul, I know you said one of the worst towing vehicles was the new jeep grand Cherokee. It only has a 2.8 tonne towing capacity. I'm wondering considering you ranked it right at the bottom if this is any better?
I hadbig hopes for this car but its a massive let down. They really should have put the u8 drive train in it and gave it a decent payload and towing capacity. I really dont understand why all utes dont have a 4495kg gvm and a 8-9t GCM
Awesome to see. Clearly lets me know to stick with ICE for heavier long-haul towing.
Nice. Did better than I expected. Does this change your views on the cause of the 4wd Hill climb issues? You need a lot of torque in both scenarios. Interesting that it could accelerate so well up that hill laden.
I am pretty sure it will be significantly improved with software updates to the traction control. Videos out of South America show it performing really well in lots of serious terrain.
I have been curious on the engine towing capability once the battery goes flat. It seems for longer distances this will be a problem.
It’s hard to say without any real-world usage data to go by. I do agree that it does seem a little disappointing, however, realistically, if you were going to put yourself on the road with 2.5T and a load on board you just wouldn’t leave the battery to run down to 25%, you’d set the limit to more like 50%-75% and just accept that while you’re towing in hilly regions your average fuel economy is going to be poor. Hills don’t go on for days and the battery doesn’t simply deplete in minutes, if you just work to your strengths instead of just lowing on regardless I reckon it’ll be fine.
The new version coming soon should address some of the short comings as it will have a 2litre turbo petrol instead of the 1.5l
They already sell this 4wd in Mexico. I know there would be adaptations to local roads. But this should not change much.
I agree, not sure why all the preproduction talk
Because even the carsales outback review talked about big improvements across their 3 pre production versions of different age.
Great review Paul. It clearly shows Shark is good enough to cater 90% of Ute users in Australia.
I'll wait 5 years till all the bugs have been sorted out.. thank you. ..
That's some interesting info, and in my experience, not really an edge case. I've driven through some really hilly country on the main highway that would really put this to the test
When does 3.5 tonne towing BYD arrive?
a real world test to see if that failure would happen is to tow 2.5 tonne up mount Ousley near wollongong, it’s a 5km up hill run , see if it will tow at the speed limit up the entire hill and still have some in reserve as there’s a few good hills very close beyond that
Thanks for all info.👍
All testing should be with a full battery.
What happens even if not towing on a long trip. Say I want to drive 800 km at some point the battery will get low. Does the petrol motor enable highway speeds on hill country or is it going to slow to 70 km?
If u r not towing, the engine will have enough Kw to charge the battery and drive the wheels at the same time because u don't really need that much of power for "cruising" on high speed, usually less than 40kw for 100km/h. So as long as u have enough fuel it will be fine.
Great test. But the power only dropped to a very low value after manually turning save mode off? As well this happens when tow a 3kN trailer accelerating sharply and maintaining highway speeds. For most towing scenarios, I think it's a great performer.
So it's great for towing say 300 clicks out of any city, as long as there are only about 3 or 4 decent hills between you and Dingo Piss Creek? Lucky there are only a couple of small hills on the eastern side of Australia ...
Test a Hybrid ute with a hybrid ute next, the Ford one with BYD
Can you do a tow test on a hybrid kluger at 2.5T? Interested to compare to shark
Haha for the 0 to 100 had to use the most powerful competitor models to be in the same ball park and they arent even close in price. This is BYDs first attempt, keep that in mind. It isn't i ute to tow a caravan around Australia so its flattering that you think of it like that.
Didn't this thing just get coty last week?
So BYD could slot a more powerful ICE under the bonnet. Something like a 2L turbo with 180kw.
Regen is also depends on battery SOC . You cant regen if the battery is close to full.
They already did. It on the SUV version of the platform called fangchengbao 8, but it's currently only available in China. Btw they also added 2 differentials both front and rear, a low gear transmission on the rear motor and a hydraulic suspension set up on it, which makes bao 8 a much better off roader than the shark.
Alot of people butt hurt in the comments 😂 if u dont like it dont buy one...pretty simple
Just interested to know the price of that other car that pulled at 100km/h. You said it wasn't a direct competitor, so how much does it cost?
So towed for a couple minutes then battery went flat and engine revved its head off for ages trying to charge back up? Nice
It seems it tows Ok when the battery is charged, but flat battery gives a gutless ute. So in the real world it is only if the battery is charged it is any good and you would not want to tow long distances sitting on 100kph.. If I towed at the slow speeds you did in this test with the caravan on the back, l would have some pretty unhappy motorists behind me.
Towing at 100kmph would not use the same energy required here. Paul's Hill road loop went from 70 to 65 and included planting on steep uphills with 2.5 tonnes and max payload.
To summarise, its perfect if you want to tow another Shark to your nearest tip
will the shark's regen charge the other shark?
Something tells me this car wasn't setup properly or the production vehicle he's been given isn't the latest software.
Other youtubers will tow test and it will perform exceptionally well, much like the hillclimb test that failed here but aced it on other channels.
Any chance of doing the trailer dyno test with some EV SUVs vs Hybrid SUVs? Would love to see the efficiency numbers & range from a full charge
Not into EVs or Chinese vehicles, but these really are an interesting Ute… aaah… what am I saying.. I’m must be weakening 🤣
How can you say this towing performance is ok?? So there is a very high likelihood that on a long journey (and towing) you need to overtake a big truck and then the Shark runs out of steam?? How dangerous is that!? What am I missing here?
Doubters are going to doubt anyway. ....
If you show them 10km of towing, they will ask for 50 km. If you have shown them 50 km, they will ask for 100 km .... so on ...... and for other things .....
set the SOC to 70%, let the ICE engine kick in hard to regen the battery will sort this.
Under normal towing with a SOC set at 70% it will be fine. As Paul says, this is an extreme test pushing the edges.
It's alright mate don't buy one.
How many LC300 towing 2.5t up an incline do you see overtaking a truck?
Id like to see a production model in action before i make any conclusion
Lots of drag with that trailer, too.
What kind of kwh usage was it getting while towing?
Looking forward to see how fords hybrid will compair to this.
As one who has the order in and "will" purchase mine, it is showing it's limits. I know straight away of one scenario where the vehicle will be in trouble pulling a trailer of 2.5T. Oxley Highway...Port Macquarie up the Walcha mountain. This is the major interlink from the coast to the Western area like Tamworth/Armidale/Inverell/etc. And I don't think that this is a software issue. So, yes...long inclines with 2.5T towing will be an issue for the owners that are inclined to do this.
then manually push up the battery charge to 50 or 70% instead of draining it to 20% then start going uphill that's bit dumb....
Up those highways at 75km/hr, as this test showed? She’ll be right…
@@fatdoi003 Or just go to the closest public charger and charge it to 100% and set limit to 50% before going uphill. Just need a bit of planning I guess. However it is good for Paul to really test the limit of the shark. Worst come to worst stop the car on the side of the road let the engine charge the battery then move on.
@@luffytaz5482 There is no public charger until you get to the top of Walcha. There is now a 60KW charger in Wauchope. Wauchope to Walcha is 162km and at least 140km of pure climbing. No chargers in between.
Very surprising that you dont show the state of charge at all till the very end of the video where its having issues. And you didnt mention the SoC engine kickon setting, which I would have thought would be the main setting you'd adjust if youre towing. Maybe you did it all correct, but to not discuss it thoroughly or even show it detracts from the validity of this video.
Goodnreview and shows the massive failure compared to ice utes. Notbthat much faster than raptor withbthe advantage ofbhave ev power. Fuel % jump alarming. Moreso, when the shark could not sit on 100km. It would have been far far worse.
EV / hybrid good and bad like all vehicles. But, with Australias pendant for hauling vans/trailers long distances. The shark at this time, falls very short of its competitors.
LOL - I am predicting heaps of BYD Sharks parked on the side of Aussie highways waiting for the battery to catchup so they can keep moving to the next service station to refill the tank every 200km LOL
This was the same findings off-roading, where it uses about 200% more fuel than a normal ICE 4WD. Great town car, but not going to work for touring or towing long range.
Just don't let SOC get to lower than 20% when towing , not that hard when you get the setting correctly.
Spewing you didn't stop in the middle of the hill climb to see if it could get moving loaded up.
That's what I expected.
Aren’t you testing the other Utes at 3.5?
Nup. 2500kg.
Can it tow my 2.9 tonne fire fighting trailer on the farm?
Law of physic can not be defied, tho they been putting out that powertrain on Lepord 8 which is 2.0T with 3 electric motor could help with the edge senario
Some of the comparisons here are not comparing apples with apples. You compare a plug in hybrid with 2.5t towing with an ICE with 3.5t towing and compare power and fuel consumption. GVM is widely different.
Also no mention of range. Quite important for tradies towing tool trailers, excavators etc. Also grey nomads towing 3 to 3.5t caravans and skiers/wakeboarders towing their massive malibu boats. Kind of important to see if it will work for them. Range is the biggest reason not to buy one in my opinion.
Not true at all. We used the same trailer dyne load in our recent ute test, along with the same trailer weight for the hill road. The results are directly comparable. In terms of range, it's a 60L tank, so it's going to mean lots of stops if you're towing at capacity.
Thanks largely a good test but I don't understand why you did not complete the dyno test with the battery at a higher % the system is set up to allow the driver to set SOC I would like to know fuel use while maintaining the SOC at 50 or above % as well as your final test with the battery @13% which as expected resulted in a fail given you effectively have a small capacity ICE front wheel drive 2.7 ton ute.
Stop misleading people,Its a series hybrid you must keep the battery charged. If you can't do that then don't buy it.every electric car slow down when the battery is empty so if you can't keep it topped up don't buy one.
I heard the Shark locks the battery level at 50% as soon as a trailer is attached to it. Maybe just another version of their software.
I'd say so - this is the same car we used for our earlier test. Although if it locks at 50% you'll run into the same issue with the speed slowing down if it doesn't allow the charge to get below 50%.
@@CarExpertAusI think you’ll find it doesn’t lock it at 50% (or whatever), it simply tries its best to keep it at 50% so after it has dipped below the set level due to “need” (such as a hill climb) it will work at charging back to that 50% before shutting down the petrol engine. At least that’s what I have gleaned from trolling all the reviews on this thing trying to figure it out.
Have serious reservations on PHEV durability/longer term repair costs anyway.Not sold on Shark as serious pickup. Time will tell and good luck to the guinea pigs.
Great information thank you I ordered a 25 plate V6 Wildtrak in August then I saw all the overly enthusiastic reviews by Australian reviewers on the BYD Shark which seem a wee bit suspect. Thanks for your honest reviews I enjoy them. I pick up my Wildtrak this Friday Merry Christmas.
Bit heavier than my old w140 S500L Merc.
Around the same weight, as the current Nissan Patrol.
so many reviews just on a prototype are useless as you'll need to do the same for production vehicle
BYD SHARTed itself 😂🤭
Electric brakes? Built in? Using your own? Not using?
Towing 2.5ton it uses more fuel than other utes towing 3.5ton 😂
Thanks Paul. What was the SOC set at. Default is 25% but in this situation you should have it set at 70%.
It was set to 70% on the hill road. We started testing with the trailer dyne with the load saving off at around 60%.
Oh great. If you use the vehicle for towing, you get better fuel economy with a purely ICE vehicle!
Towing 2.5 tonnes for 10 minutes and it shit its pants.
Scared of BYD's first attempt shit his pants. Wait till their second outing buy new pants.
Change is inevitable.
I'm still getting one 😁 I won't be towing though. Also, love your channel buck!
Try and get a Hybrid that other manufacturers make to tow anything and have fuel economy of what? 5 litres per 100 km and no petrol on EV mode for 60km. This thing tech is beyond impressive. a BYD U8 have much more power and torque and probably more capable.
@@Đờimitry My next 4wd will be a Diesel fullstop.
@@user-pp6kw6yl6z Mate wait and see how they go first. Don't rush in.
God dam. Interesting, y'all want to tow heavy, buy a heavy duty full sized truck, preferably diesel. With we got that ute here but Trumps banned them. Would make a good mall crawler for the misso.
It's another city yuppie car
has he done hes ford at max
can anyone say
i dont think so
hes trying to bring down the shark
most or all who buy this not going do this
hes a ford fan
Impressive performance no doubt. If the car is going to be used as a pavement princess then this would be ideal. I still believe the best all rounder lifestyle, towing, off road and performance goes to the ranger raptor with nothing else coming close.
TEMU truck...........no thanks. Cheaply made rubbish.
How’s it any different to a Ranger made in Thailand? 🤦♂️🙄
Pretty standard dual cab fare then.
So, to sum it up. Turns to 💩, when the batteries run low. Then uses more fuel. Than most other Ice utes...🤡 😆
No it doesn’t. Go to table at 14:55 and have another look.
Raptor uses 6.5L/100km more when fully laden.
And it’s only 1 to 2 L/100km more than all the others when fully laden. The 383% is the difference between unladen and laden. It’s much higher as it uses significantly less fuel unladen than the competition. Fully Laden it’s chewing through the battery fast and reliant on the petrol engine to power the vehicle and charge the battery. Which is completely expected.
@@rickmackenzie8488 15.00....Layden, towing test 30L per 100km. Paul explained it as well.....🫡
What an utter trash
Lol loving the salty ranger and Hilux crowd.
When you're towing a heavy load, you're meant to set the battery to a decent charge minimum like 50% so that doesn't happen. You seem hell bent in showing the Byd Shark 6 in the worst possible light. Perhaps you should engage your brain before doing some of these tests.
Someone’s forgotten their meds today. He tests it the same as all the other utes he has tested.
Regardless of what you decide to 'lock' the battery at, once you reach that preset limit if it's not drawing energy from the battery it's limited to a small petrol engine that will struggle to tow the load as you see in the video. You're welcome to argue with opinion, but you can't argue with facts, no matter how much you don't want them to be true.
@@jackh4787 Glad somebody was listening 😂
Rubbish Mr. BYD salesman or BYD bot
@@Ttnorth11 seemed pretty objective to me mate - you seem to be letting your ideology and politics get in the way of objective analysis, not good.
I have got to ask how much will you promote this one product. Can you please post some other videos. I understand you need money to survive. But greed will demolish.
I’m on the fence on whether to put my order in and these tests are informative *for me* (Well not this one, I don’t tow)
Someone is just a little salty
You should be ashamed of yourself giving Chinese rubbish any air time
😅😅😅😅😅
its a well priced competitor going up against more expensive utes? why wouldnt he give it air time when he is a car journalist?
To you trade it in
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lol seeya ....
Tissue?
Chinese Bots are not happy
jonathen are we cross?
made in china is made in china.. 30l per 100km? no engine brake on long downhill? good luck 😂 what's the point of UTE.. this kind of cars should be banned.
Dear Paul, You may get a woody and all excited about this new BYD from Chinah, making some excuses for it being a prototype, but real Aussie Ute drivers ain't going to touch this hybrid EV because it's like a 100m sprinter ,all fast and flashing with a fully charged battery on the sealed hyway ,but get out of town a few miles and the Fat overweight Bok Choi couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding running out of huff n Puff and the pissy little Combustion engine takes over ,Sorry mate l can see serious regret buying one of these useless EV,s