If I only would have my own garage would definitely start working on my Omega 2.5 V6 that I got 3 month ago it needs some work but little by little I’ll bring it back to life
Its not easy working without a garage! I have done lots of car work outside. Keep at it. You can get lots done in tge summer. Good luck with the project. Maybe a video of the car??
Thats mental! I assume its force fed. I've long known these were very strong motors, but I never imagine 700hp would be possible... u guess you have some pretty trick internals. I always planned to supercharge mine but the big issue is the gearbox. Is yours FWD? The RWD gearbox just isn't up to much more torque.
@@trolmountain475 I would bloody love to! Fund aren't allowing right now but that's what I want to put in my next project car. (The car is bought and waiting in a safe dry storage until I can afford to do it). Such a cool gearbox, I cant wait to get my hands on one.
Some good tips here. Nice work on the throttle bodies! That lower inlet manifold porting looks easy & I might have a crack at that tomorrow. I'd always considered removing the air injection ports the next time I had the engine out so it's good to see that someone has done it with some success
Thabks for the comment Ian, great to hear from other owners and enthusiasts. Is it in the omega or another car?? I believe the restrictions are in the 3L but not the 3.2? Which engine do you have? Is there animating on yours on the Web??
@@ianmcass sorry Ian, I had lost of track of who I was talking too. Forgive me. I am familiar with your car. Its awesome. I've had a good look through your website. It's a very impressive car, really nicely finished. I am green with envy, your car is so much smarter than mine. Mine is very rough and ready. Your exhausts look fantastic! I would like to achieve a finish like yours on my next project. I notice yours sounds nicer than mine too. A really clean sound. I think this is to do with all 6 cylinders sharing the same pipe. Mine stay separate all the way back. Its a really smart car man! Love it. Hope to meet you at a show one day.
@@lozl Well, in the Saab 9000 3.0i and 900 2.5i, they pretty much just used a rebranded X30XE/X25XE. For the 9-5 however, they only used the 3.0 version but lowered the compresison, changed to their own Trionic 7 engine management system (which nowadays is fully tunable), and added a tiny GT15 turbo on one of the banks, making it the world's first assymetrically turbocharged engine. Turbo was only there to widen the powerband though, not to increase peak power, so peak power was still low at 200bhp, even though they are of course faster in reality than the naturally aspirated ones due to higher peak torque and wider powerband. :) Better base engine to use for turbocharging in your project car.
@@glenn9k thats very cool. I'm not at all surprised that saab version would be the better one really. That's going to be a very cool project. Good luck
Thanks for your kind comment. Glad you're enjoying the videos. I agree it's a really strong engine. I've heard of some crazy power figures being easily achieve with forced induction The gearbox is the weak link really
Hi, amazing results, how did you manage to increase the torque so much in the low revs? What do you think made the biggest difference. Might it be the free flow intake and exhaust? Or the bigger throttle?
Andre, thanks for watching and thanks for the comment. It is a fantastic strong engine and I'm really pleased with it. but this video really needs an update. I had this car on two rollings roads before, one said 290hp the other 262hp. I know the 290hp rolling road over reads a lot, and I know the 262hp rolling road was not calibrated accurately. If you've seen my other videos you'll know I've been restoring my own rolling road. I have now calibrated this to a high degree of accuracy and had my scimitar on it many times now. The peak power is actually 236hp, and the peak torque 297Nm. I was of course disappointed but I have every faith in the accuracy of the rolling road. After the initial disappointment I have come to realise that its probably still quite good. To get about a 12% increase with the mods I've done is still a credit to the engine. Now to answer your question.... I'm not sure exactly what the most effective modification is really. Each of the mods just give the benefit of improving gas flow in and out, so they would be most effective at high rpm. If I had to guess, I would say the biggest impact has come from getting rid of the CATs, the headers, and the porting to the plastic base plate where the injectors sit, that had some horrible restrictions in it. I will at some point put a standard size throttle body back on just to see how much difference increasing the throttle bodies has made. Thanks again for your interest
@lozl Thank you for the quick response, 12% Is still a lot, maybe some ECU programming will increase it by another 10%, other than that this is really great project, in my opinion keeping the reliability high is the most important thing, thank you again and best wishes.
@@andrejkitanovski565 I totally agree. It's such a solid all.round car. I always wanted it to be tough and reliable. I will be doing some more.mapping on it soon, in fact I can't wait :)
Hi! Very nice build, congrats! Im in the middle of pulling out the engine of my mv6 b1. I have kind of similar plans with it. Can I ask what flywheel did you buy?
Thabks buddy, glad you enjoyed the video. And I like the sound of your project. Its such a great engine. I bought the flywheel second hand, over 10 years.... at that time I believe it had originally been bought from Courtney Sport, the vauxhall tuning shop. I think a friend of mine has been in contact with them and found they no longer supply this part. I imagine it would very hard to find one now. I would be interested to hear of you do get hold of one. It's an awesome lightweight thing.
@@lozl Thank you! Yes, it is a solid engine, i like how relatively simple it is. Well, I had feeling that my only option is to make a custom one mass flywheel for it😅
@@devbatyo yeah this might be the way to go. A have a friend with the same engine in his scimitar, he fitted a flywheel from something else.... maybe a 4 cylinder red top engine I think.... not sure. He has had lots or teething problems with spacing out the concentric slave cylinder and other things too but I rhino he bow has a good working solution.
@@bazakamotorsport1650 I'm afraid I can't remember right now. I k ow that 57mm is either what is was or what I've taken it out to.... The only other thing I can remember is that it made the cross sectional area 11% bigger.
@@bazakamotorsport1650 I will at some point be fitting a standard size item again and testing to see if it makes a difference to power. I jave a rolling road now so can experiment to see what actually helped in making the extra power. If I remember I will get back on here and let you know
I'm believe I took the old hard lines (that go up the side and back of the block), to a farm engineering place and they had some fittings to Fitz then they made up the hydraulic hoses to go to the thermostat and cooler. It was way overkill, 5000psi, but it worked :)
Hi Loz, Thanks for the reply. Can you remember what size the fittings were eg OEM fitting to AN fitting coupling ? Many thanks,my oil cooler is leaking into the coolant and they no longer make them for a vauxhall omega 2.6 auto so I'm forced to fit AN10 after market type. All the best great channel BTW. Lou.
@@louspur3585 you're too kind many thanks. I'm afraid I can't remember..... it will mean having the car out of action for a whort time, but you might need to take it somewhere for them to identify it. I'm sorry I can't be more helpful. It was over 10 years ago when I first did this project :)
@@louspur3585 if you find the thread on the scimitar forum, I night mention it in there. I also posted (like 20000 words and hundreds of photos) on retro rides, pistons head and a few others. If you Google scimitar MV6 on images, most of them are are my car so this might take you to a build thread
Hello i have Opel corsa a with 3.2 v6 for drag racing and looking for more power. Now it have 235 hp what is max with tune but is helped with 100 hp of nitrous. Im buying standalone ecu and looking to do your tuning. I watched whole video and i will do it. Do you have some advices or measurments? Thanks
@@pokimotorsport Thanks for the comment. These are awesome engines! I have been really impressed with mine. They're so strong. Since this video I have now had it on a very accurate rolling road and it seems its only making 239hp not the 275 I thought. I believe the 3.2 has a lower compression ratio than the 3L. If I was building the ultimate engine I would try and get the 3.2 to have a much higher compression ratio somehow. Perhaps 3L heads on 3.2 bottom end. I'm not sure though as I only ever had the 3L. There was loads to port out of the exhaust ports on mine it had a horrible lump in the middle for backward air injection system to warm up the CAT. The nitrous will be fun! But might mean that the lower compression of the 3.2 is a benifit rather than a disadvantage. I guess it depends how ofter you are going to use the nitrous. Stand alone ECU is always a good way to go though, gives you so much freedom
@@pokimotorsport that's awesome! I got a 13.8 in the scimitar. Such a cracking engine. I was gunna supercharge it, the engine would take it all day long but the gearbox isn't thw strongest so I decided against it in the end
Nice video. I guess the bhp figures were at the flywheel? I've pretty much done these mods on my x30xe engine too, but with 4 x g cams. I'll be running it on a standalone ecu and tuning on a dyno in a couple of months, so it will be interesting to compare dyno figures. I'd be very pleased if it's close to yours figures, but was expecting something more like 250. Fingers crossed then! Did you upgrade fuel pump, fuel regulator etc?
Thanks Phil, much appreciated. I'm afraid I never even asked, so I assume it must be at the flywheel, at the wheels would be too much. I have to say I was expecting 230 to 250hp too. I was amazing and so pleased. If anything I had my doubts, but when I got a 13.8s quater mile at Santa Pod it kind of confirms it. Please let me know how you get on. I'd be very interest to hear. What ECU are you using?
@@lozl mine is in a vw type 2 early bay. Built for drag racing. Best time so far is 14.2, with a 1.79 60 foot. Only video of mine is on veedubracing channel from earlier this year. The ecu I will be fitting is an EMU Black. I'll also be opening up the inlet plenum a bit, fit an 80mm generic throttle body and make a smoother inlet duct to throttle body. I'll try and post a link
Still a cracking engine. I think the co.pression might be slightly lower than the 2.5 but I'm not sure. And I believe the inlet runners are slightly narrower. So they will have a fraction less power. But I'm sure they're still very capable engines. Thanks for the comment. Glad you found my video.
hi! how work your MAF? at the origin he work for the 6 cylinder so on the video he work for only one side so 3 cylinder no? can you explain me please? ;)
Hi there. I'm not using the original MAF sensor, I am using a MAP sensor its connected to the side of the plenum. In addition I have removed the flaps from inside the plenum so it is all one big volume for all 6 cylinders. It uses an aftermarket ECU and a GM style MAP sensor. Hope thiss helps. Thanks for the comment Hopefully I will soon have my scimitar MV6 on my own Rolling Road. Stay tuned.
@@brice100nx it's a Canems ECU, it's their most basic model. So I'm batch firing the injectors. Wasted spake with the original coil pack. MAP sensor. It's an aftermarket ECU so I har it mapped on a rolling road. It was about 8 hours work and it was well worth it. Its an awesome engine
I'm sure it can be done. I haven't looked for a long time to see if the flanges are still available though. They would of course have to be a very different shape to fit the omega
So I will buy a Honda civic from the old compact ones.I have an opel omega with the same engine but it's in some trouble so it cannot be driven on road I'll take out the nine and put it in the Honda then tune the crap out of it
Thanks for the comment. It seems I've only just found a load of comments I haven't replied to... That sounds wicked. Its hard to do a RWD conversion, but oh so rewarding!
I haven't really got an email I can give out yet. But I will have in the next month or so. I've been making quite a bit of noise on the DIY Dyno group on Facebook recently you might find me that way
If I only would have my own garage would definitely start working on my Omega 2.5 V6 that I got 3 month ago it needs some work but little by little I’ll bring it back to life
Its not easy working without a garage! I have done lots of car work outside. Keep at it. You can get lots done in tge summer. Good luck with the project.
Maybe a video of the car??
Nice to see another v6. My 3.2 is currently 710hp love these engines!
Thats mental! I assume its force fed. I've long known these were very strong motors, but I never imagine 700hp would be possible... u guess you have some pretty trick internals. I always planned to supercharge mine but the big issue is the gearbox. Is yours FWD? The RWD gearbox just isn't up to much more torque.
710???
Хочу это видеть!
You should try zf 8hp gearbox with stand alone TCU.
@@trolmountain475 I would bloody love to! Fund aren't allowing right now but that's what I want to put in my next project car. (The car is bought and waiting in a safe dry storage until I can afford to do it).
Such a cool gearbox, I cant wait to get my hands on one.
Some good tips here. Nice work on the throttle bodies! That lower inlet manifold porting looks easy & I might have a crack at that tomorrow. I'd always considered removing the air injection ports the next time I had the engine out so it's good to see that someone has done it with some success
Thabks for the comment Ian, great to hear from other owners and enthusiasts. Is it in the omega or another car?? I believe the restrictions are in the 3L but not the 3.2? Which engine do you have?
Is there animating on yours on the Web??
@@lozl Sorry, not ignoring you. UA-cam keeps deleting my comments :O
You can find more info on my build if you go to my channel's "About" section.
@@ianmcass sorry Ian, I had lost of track of who I was talking too. Forgive me. I am familiar with your car. Its awesome. I've had a good look through your website. It's a very impressive car, really nicely finished. I am green with envy, your car is so much smarter than mine. Mine is very rough and ready.
Your exhausts look fantastic! I would like to achieve a finish like yours on my next project.
I notice yours sounds nicer than mine too. A really clean sound. I think this is to do with all 6 cylinders sharing the same pipe. Mine stay separate all the way back.
Its a really smart car man! Love it. Hope to meet you at a show one day.
Thanks for the inspiration. I have just bought a 2.6 Omega and planning to swap a B308E from Saab 9-5 3.0t into it.
@@glenn9k cool!!!!! I know saab used the engine bit I know very little about what saab changed??
@@lozl Well, in the Saab 9000 3.0i and 900 2.5i, they pretty much just used a rebranded X30XE/X25XE. For the 9-5 however, they only used the 3.0 version but lowered the compresison, changed to their own Trionic 7 engine management system (which nowadays is fully tunable), and added a tiny GT15 turbo on one of the banks, making it the world's first assymetrically turbocharged engine. Turbo was only there to widen the powerband though, not to increase peak power, so peak power was still low at 200bhp, even though they are of course faster in reality than the naturally aspirated ones due to higher peak torque and wider powerband. :) Better base engine to use for turbocharging in your project car.
@@glenn9k thats very cool. I'm not at all surprised that saab version would be the better one really. That's going to be a very cool project. Good luck
I had MV6 from 2004 till 2011, it was a good engine, always wanted to increase HP.
Great video, wish I watch it 20 years ago 🤣👍
Thanks for your kind comment. Glad you're enjoying the videos.
I agree it's a really strong engine. I've heard of some crazy power figures being easily achieve with forced induction
The gearbox is the weak link really
Brilliant informative and interesting video again.
Thanks dude. Its been fun making these.
Hi, amazing results, how did you manage to increase the torque so much in the low revs? What do you think made the biggest difference. Might it be the free flow intake and exhaust? Or the bigger throttle?
Andre, thanks for watching and thanks for the comment. It is a fantastic strong engine and I'm really pleased with it. but this video really needs an update. I had this car on two rollings roads before, one said 290hp the other 262hp. I know the 290hp rolling road over reads a lot, and I know the 262hp rolling road was not calibrated accurately.
If you've seen my other videos you'll know I've been restoring my own rolling road. I have now calibrated this to a high degree of accuracy and had my scimitar on it many times now.
The peak power is actually 236hp, and the peak torque 297Nm. I was of course disappointed but I have every faith in the accuracy of the rolling road.
After the initial disappointment I have come to realise that its probably still quite good. To get about a 12% increase with the mods I've done is still a credit to the engine.
Now to answer your question.... I'm not sure exactly what the most effective modification is really. Each of the mods just give the benefit of improving gas flow in and out, so they would be most effective at high rpm. If I had to guess, I would say the biggest impact has come from getting rid of the CATs, the headers, and the porting to the plastic base plate where the injectors sit, that had some horrible restrictions in it.
I will at some point put a standard size throttle body back on just to see how much difference increasing the throttle bodies has made.
Thanks again for your interest
@lozl Thank you for the quick response, 12% Is still a lot, maybe some ECU programming will increase it by another 10%, other than that this is really great project, in my opinion keeping the reliability high is the most important thing, thank you again and best wishes.
@@andrejkitanovski565 I totally agree. It's such a solid all.round car. I always wanted it to be tough and reliable.
I will be doing some more.mapping on it soon, in fact I can't wait :)
Loving this!
Thanks Daniel, much appreciated. Merry christmas
@@lozl merry Christmas to you too ☺️🎄
Hi! Very nice build, congrats! Im in the middle of pulling out the engine of my mv6 b1. I have kind of similar plans with it. Can I ask what flywheel did you buy?
Thabks buddy, glad you enjoyed the video. And I like the sound of your project. Its such a great engine.
I bought the flywheel second hand, over 10 years.... at that time I believe it had originally been bought from Courtney Sport, the vauxhall tuning shop. I think a friend of mine has been in contact with them and found they no longer supply this part. I imagine it would very hard to find one now. I would be interested to hear of you do get hold of one. It's an awesome lightweight thing.
@@lozl Thank you! Yes, it is a solid engine, i like how relatively simple it is.
Well, I had feeling that my only option is to make a custom one mass flywheel for it😅
@@devbatyo yeah this might be the way to go. A have a friend with the same engine in his scimitar, he fitted a flywheel from something else.... maybe a 4 cylinder red top engine I think.... not sure. He has had lots or teething problems with spacing out the concentric slave cylinder and other things too but I rhino he bow has a good working solution.
how many millimeters is the throttle body because I'm doing the same engine. Thanks
@@bazakamotorsport1650 I'm afraid I can't remember right now. I k ow that 57mm is either what is was or what I've taken it out to....
The only other thing I can remember is that it made the cross sectional area 11% bigger.
@@bazakamotorsport1650 I will at some point be fitting a standard size item again and testing to see if it makes a difference to power. I jave a rolling road now so can experiment to see what actually helped in making the extra power. If I remember I will get back on here and let you know
@@lozlokei thanks
How did you connect your new cooler to the oil outlet from the engine?
I'm believe I took the old hard lines (that go up the side and back of the block), to a farm engineering place and they had some fittings to Fitz then they made up the hydraulic hoses to go to the thermostat and cooler. It was way overkill, 5000psi, but it worked :)
Hi Loz,
Thanks for the reply.
Can you remember what size the fittings were eg OEM fitting to AN fitting coupling ?
Many thanks,my oil cooler is leaking into the coolant and they no longer make them for a vauxhall omega 2.6 auto so I'm forced to fit AN10 after market type.
All the best great channel BTW.
Lou.
@@louspur3585 you're too kind many thanks.
I'm afraid I can't remember..... it will mean having the car out of action for a whort time, but you might need to take it somewhere for them to identify it. I'm sorry I can't be more helpful. It was over 10 years ago when I first did this project :)
@lozl no worries, thanks for the replies anyway 👍🏾
@@louspur3585 if you find the thread on the scimitar forum, I night mention it in there. I also posted (like 20000 words and hundreds of photos) on retro rides, pistons head and a few others. If you Google scimitar MV6 on images, most of them are are my car so this might take you to a build thread
Hello i have Opel corsa a with 3.2 v6 for drag racing and looking for more power. Now it have 235 hp what is max with tune but is helped with 100 hp of nitrous. Im buying standalone ecu and looking to do your tuning. I watched whole video and i will do it. Do you have some advices or measurments? Thanks
@@pokimotorsport Thanks for the comment. These are awesome engines! I have been really impressed with mine. They're so strong.
Since this video I have now had it on a very accurate rolling road and it seems its only making 239hp not the 275 I thought.
I believe the 3.2 has a lower compression ratio than the 3L. If I was building the ultimate engine I would try and get the 3.2 to have a much higher compression ratio somehow. Perhaps 3L heads on 3.2 bottom end. I'm not sure though as I only ever had the 3L.
There was loads to port out of the exhaust ports on mine it had a horrible lump in the middle for backward air injection system to warm up the CAT.
The nitrous will be fun! But might mean that the lower compression of the 3.2 is a benifit rather than a disadvantage. I guess it depends how ofter you are going to use the nitrous.
Stand alone ECU is always a good way to go though, gives you so much freedom
@@lozl I won first place in 14 sec class with tired engine (metal shaving in oil) Now im rebuilding it and try to get more power.
@@pokimotorsport that's awesome! I got a 13.8 in the scimitar. Such a cracking engine. I was gunna supercharge it, the engine would take it all day long but the gearbox isn't thw strongest so I decided against it in the end
Nice video. I guess the bhp figures were at the flywheel? I've pretty much done these mods on my x30xe engine too, but with 4 x g cams. I'll be running it on a standalone ecu and tuning on a dyno in a couple of months, so it will be interesting to compare dyno figures. I'd be very pleased if it's close to yours figures, but was expecting something more like 250. Fingers crossed then! Did you upgrade fuel pump, fuel regulator etc?
Thanks Phil, much appreciated. I'm afraid I never even asked, so I assume it must be at the flywheel, at the wheels would be too much. I have to say I was expecting 230 to 250hp too. I was amazing and so pleased. If anything I had my doubts, but when I got a 13.8s quater mile at Santa Pod it kind of confirms it.
Please let me know how you get on. I'd be very interest to hear. What ECU are you using?
I see you have no videos. Is there anything on your project on the net?? What car is it in?
@@lozl mine is in a vw type 2 early bay. Built for drag racing. Best time so far is 14.2, with a 1.79 60 foot. Only video of mine is on veedubracing channel from earlier this year. The ecu I will be fitting is an EMU Black. I'll also be opening up the inlet plenum a bit, fit an 80mm generic throttle body and make a smoother inlet duct to throttle body. I'll try and post a link
ua-cam.com/video/ie0TrI6QW_w/v-deo.html
@@philswell18 that's epic! Thats way faster than it should be hahahah, I love it. That's so cool
what do you think about 2.6 v6 gm engine?
Still a cracking engine. I think the co.pression might be slightly lower than the 2.5 but I'm not sure. And I believe the inlet runners are slightly narrower. So they will have a fraction less power. But I'm sure they're still very capable engines.
Thanks for the comment. Glad you found my video.
Спасибо, очень интересный ролик. Бюджет (по бомжу) то что нужно!
Thanks :) glad you enjoyed the video.
hi! how work your MAF? at the origin he work for the 6 cylinder so on the video he work for only one side so 3 cylinder no? can you explain me please? ;)
Hi there. I'm not using the original MAF sensor, I am using a MAP sensor its connected to the side of the plenum. In addition I have removed the flaps from inside the plenum so it is all one big volume for all 6 cylinders. It uses an aftermarket ECU and a GM style MAP sensor.
Hope thiss helps. Thanks for the comment
Hopefully I will soon have my scimitar MV6 on my own Rolling Road. Stay tuned.
Great ! Van you says me about thé ecu ? Map ? Tune way ?
@@brice100nx it's a Canems ECU, it's their most basic model. So I'm batch firing the injectors. Wasted spake with the original coil pack. MAP sensor. It's an aftermarket ECU so I har it mapped on a rolling road. It was about 8 hours work and it was well worth it. Its an awesome engine
Привіт.Гарна робота.
Many thanks :)
Exhaust need X pipe, 5-10hp +, with straight true mufflers
@@Spear98CZ yeah I always wished I could fit one. There is just no room under a scimitar, it's quite annoying
Could you get me that exhaust made for my omega ?
I'm sure it can be done. I haven't looked for a long time to see if the flanges are still available though. They would of course have to be a very different shape to fit the omega
I am definitely not taking the heads off my MV6 to clean up the ports.... You bugger!
Its well worth it.......
No to be fair you have other more pressing work, but when that's done.....
👍👍👍👍👍
Glad you enjoyed the vid :)
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Thanks :)
So I will buy a Honda civic from the old compact ones.I have an opel omega with the same engine but it's in some trouble so it cannot be driven on road I'll take out the nine and put it in the Honda then tune the crap out of it
Might convert the Honda to rear wheel drive
Thanks for the comment. It seems I've only just found a load of comments I haven't replied to...
That sounds wicked. Its hard to do a RWD conversion, but oh so rewarding!
Hello mate! Really nice job !!!
Can i contact you on any platform (Facebook,instagram viber or something else)
Thanka for the comment :) much appreciated.
I haven't really got an email I can give out yet. But I will have in the next month or so. I've been making quite a bit of noise on the DIY Dyno group on Facebook recently you might find me that way
What we're you wanting to talk about? Have you got an x30xe?