the cash strapped VR ran Taits for six decades, at the time, it was claimed to be the oldest rolling stock in current revenue service in the world. They had no heating and were drafty in winter. The cars would bang into each other and lurch. Jeff the cartoonist drew beautiful Taits with square wheels when the fares went up or during train strikes in The Sun daily newspaper. The older carriages that the Taits replaced in the early ‘70s were called “dog boxes” because of the compartment design.
Elecrail also have 470M, 327M, 267M, 257D, 48G and 284M. They also have parcels van 2CM. Also stored but not allocated to Elecrail are Harris prototype 201BT, Swing Door parcels van 10CM and 427M.
I believe that's because the restored one is meant to represent a different era. They spent their final years in all red, but earlier on they were in that red with a grey band livery. Although I'm not sure of the specifics.
@@CityConnectionsMedia the two tone moonstone grey and rose red livery stopped being applied in 1956. There is great high res film if the 1956 Olympics where both the Taits and swingdoor trains are in this grey banded livery. So far back that many only are aware of the all red livery and questioned the Elecrail set as being in the wrong livery.
I'd assume not. SRL for sure since that's going to be automated iirc, and I'm assuming the metro tunnel would be the same as the city loop. Idk if the airport link will be above or below ground, but if it's underground it'd more than likely be the same as the city loop.
@@CityConnectionsMedia, the English Electrics would certainly be interesting as they were the oldest rolling stock in service in Australasia for nearly two decades. Will you also be looking at diesel stock such as the Red Hens, the ADGs, the QR 2000 class, et cetera?
Yee! that's why I want to do them, that and I want an excuse to talk about New Zealand more. I do wanna look into diesel stock too, I'm just going to wait until I've reached the late 70s or early 80s with EMUs. So once I've done the S/V sets and Comeng trains, I'll probably start doing DMUs. I do also want to look into locomotives too. I might do a video on NZ's early electric locomotives soon-ish.
They're on the list! They probably won't be for a while, as I want to go in chronological order, and I've got a few videos ahead of them in the queue (NSW U sets, NZ DM/D class and VR Harris trains). Also, yes I did. Apparently I don't know how to spell 'Melbourne'
In a country like Australia, that is supposed to pride itself on its *egalitarianism,* such talk of having "classes" of rail carriage, is *HIGHLY OFFENSIVE!*
The classification of compartments as first or second class had nothing to do with peoples social class. First Class and Second Class designated the level of comfort of the passenger compartment. First class passengers paid a higher fare. Second Class passenger compartments were more basic, passengers were charged a lower fare than those choosing to travel First Class. It was entirely the passenger's choice as to which class they chose to travel as. A little research as why passenger compartments were designated as such, before posting, night have saved you from making a fool of yourself posting your confected outrage at supposed unequal treatment of train passengers
@@EVISEH The "First & Second Class" categorisations are indeed a hangover from our British colonial past pre-1901.We *did* have railways back then, y'know.
the cash strapped VR ran Taits for six decades, at the time, it was claimed to be the oldest rolling stock in current revenue service in the world. They had no heating and were drafty in winter. The cars would bang into each other and lurch. Jeff the cartoonist drew beautiful Taits with square wheels when the fares went up or during train strikes in The Sun daily newspaper. The older carriages that the Taits replaced in the early ‘70s were called “dog boxes” because of the compartment design.
Elecrail also have 470M, 327M, 267M, 257D, 48G and 284M. They also have parcels van 2CM. Also stored but not allocated to Elecrail are Harris prototype 201BT, Swing Door parcels van 10CM and 427M.
That's a lot more than I expected. It's good to hear that a few of the more unqiue cars escaped being scrapped.
I’ll always have a soft spot for the Taits, they have such a nice design. Getting to ride one last year for the first time was amazing!
Yeah, they have a charm to them that no other old Australian electrics have.
Thanks for making these, they're super interesting!
you should do Adelaide's red rattlers next, the Red Hens. They were diesel, we didn't get electric until recently
It is interesting that the last Tait you showed doesn't have the grey band that the restored one does.
I believe that's because the restored one is meant to represent a different era.
They spent their final years in all red, but earlier on they were in that red with a grey band livery. Although I'm not sure of the specifics.
@@CityConnectionsMedia the two tone moonstone grey and rose red livery stopped being applied in 1956. There is great high res film if the 1956 Olympics where both the Taits and swingdoor trains are in this grey banded livery.
So far back that many only are aware of the all red livery and questioned the Elecrail set as being in the wrong livery.
What about the Metro Tunnel, Melbourne Airport Rail Link and the Suburban Rail Loop?
I'd assume not. SRL for sure since that's going to be automated iirc, and I'm assuming the metro tunnel would be the same as the city loop. Idk if the airport link will be above or below ground, but if it's underground it'd more than likely be the same as the city loop.
Just an update the greaser car was scrapped when there was a massive kill off of rotter road stock
Wicked video mate!
So I'm guessing you going to do the Comeng Hitachi and Harris
They're on the list! Next will be Wellington's DM/D class EMUs or NSW's U sets. I'm going to try and do sets in chronological order.
@@CityConnectionsMedia oh ok
@@CityConnectionsMedia, the English Electrics would certainly be interesting as they were the oldest rolling stock in service in Australasia for nearly two decades.
Will you also be looking at diesel stock such as the Red Hens, the ADGs, the QR 2000 class, et cetera?
Yee! that's why I want to do them, that and I want an excuse to talk about New Zealand more.
I do wanna look into diesel stock too, I'm just going to wait until I've reached the late 70s or early 80s with EMUs. So once I've done the S/V sets and Comeng trains, I'll probably start doing DMUs.
I do also want to look into locomotives too. I might do a video on NZ's early electric locomotives soon-ish.
Fantastic video! Keep the great content coming!
Only a two year delay from a world war given the amount of Australians who went to fight that's shockingly impressive
Yeah, although they did continue work during WW1 to my knowledge, so post war it was mostly a finishing up sort of job.
@@CityConnectionsMediastill incredibly impressive
447M is not stored. It has now been scrapped. Elecrail got parts of the car before Victrack scrapped the car.
Shame, it would have been cool to see it preserved.
The word "cupola" is pronounced with the first syllable as in cup & saucer.
Can you do Melbourne's Comeng Fleet and their 3 Stages? Think you spelt Melbourne wrong in the title btw
They're on the list! They probably won't be for a while, as I want to go in chronological order, and I've got a few videos ahead of them in the queue (NSW U sets, NZ DM/D class and VR Harris trains).
Also, yes I did. Apparently I don't know how to spell 'Melbourne'
In a country like Australia, that is supposed to pride itself on its *egalitarianism,* such talk of having "classes" of rail carriage, is *HIGHLY OFFENSIVE!*
The classification of compartments as first or second class had nothing to do with peoples social class.
First Class and Second Class designated the level of comfort of the passenger compartment. First class passengers paid a higher fare. Second Class passenger compartments were more basic, passengers were charged a lower fare than those choosing to travel First Class. It was entirely the passenger's choice as to which class they chose to travel as.
A little research as why passenger compartments were designated as such, before posting, night have saved you from making a fool of yourself posting your confected outrage at supposed unequal treatment of train passengers
@@EVISEH The "First & Second Class" categorisations are indeed a hangover from our British colonial past pre-1901.We *did* have railways back then, y'know.
Not funny didn't laugh. Cringe
>:/