Chavin De Huantar and the Religious Revolution
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- Опубліковано 30 лип 2024
- Chavin de Huantar dominated the Early Horizon period of Andean history. But why did one small highland city exert such a tremendous influence over the northern Peruvian coast?
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I'd like to give you props! as a Peruvian i'm very happy there is going to be content about our ancient civilizations in English!
One important thing i wish you had mentioned was how they diverted the river after it flooded their valley, and they took the opportunity to build underground canals to create noises and awe visitors.
Thank you! The books I read (if I'm remembering correctly that is) said that the canals moved rain water and water that they poured in there. I wasn't aware that the river was diverted into it or maybe I just missed it, but that certainly would make sense. I appreciate you pointing that out!
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When i visited there a few years ago there was an archeological expedition from several universities, including some from the USA, that were investigating the canals.
Apparently the Chavin diverted the river that went through their valley to avoid floods and part of it was redirected through underground canals underneath their whole temple complex, some of the canals where worked to the point of being able to create sound and the Chavin priests would be able to manipulate the sound with their instruments.
In fact there was a ritual where a person or group of people were surrounded by dozens of priests each with their own instrument and they would play sounds to them. They also told us that, by their calculations, if a lot of those were redirected to a person it would be fatal. And due to the size of the ritual ground it most likely was used in that way from time to time.
I'm sure it was an awesome display of power to be able to harm someone at a distance without using a blunt instrument.
Power of the gods.
I also remember they told us that the goal of the mission was to restore at least some of the canals so they could hear and understand what kind of sounds they used back then.
@@celdur4635 Very interesting! I did come across a lot of research that had been done on the acoustics of the interior of the temple but ultimately, I left it out of the script. Maybe someday I can make a follow up.
I guess i'm not the only one interested in ancient history but it's 'my' ancient history lol. why is he making videos of our ancient cultures?... i guess cause he's as passionate about ancient history as us, you have a weird name by the by, and he made a video about it before me. Oh well. I can't be mad at that. It's my fault for not making a video before him.
chavin de Huatar reveals, megalithic work, hydraulic engineering, underground galleries, theatrical devices, acoustic science, building codes, ritualistic use of hallucinogens, monolithic art, Shamanism,
this is great thanks, I really enjoyed it. There are a few things to be aware of here. One is that the nasal excretion is actually the result of Yopo (Anadenanthera peregrina) powder insufflation. Yopo acts as a powerful hallucinogen that contains Bufotenin, Dimethyltryptamine and 5-MeO-DMT. Mescaline cactus species of the region have never been recorded to have been insulfated but are almost always prepared via some kind of liquid boiling extraction and ingestion. Also, some sources describe the 'axis mundi' totem in the temple as having been part of trials that even 'commoners' may have had access to on certain occasions or in shamanic 'trials'. There is an account and references to primary sources in 'The Dawn of Everything.' Of coruse noone can know whether or not this is the case, its just an interesting twist on the typical story. Thanks for doing these and hope to see many more.
Good stuff! Thank you!
I don't think Yopo would have been used this far west, as the Cebil tree (A. colubrina) is both native to the area and much more abundant in psychoactives like bufotenin. I also believe the DNA evidence found on ancient snuff trays point to Cebil being used in this area much more frequently than A. peregrina.
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i found you via my homescool teacher and i loved your way of teaching i truly dont understand how you are mot as big as channels like crash course keep it up and i hope you gain recognition
Thank you! Its a truly satisfying compliment to hear that teachers are showing these to students and that students are actually liking them! In time, the channel will grow but for now, I just like making these videos. I'm glad you're enjoying them!
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Just recently hooked into your channel and have, so far, thoroughly enjoyed the content. History has been a passion of mine since the age of 8 years old, when I found a stash of arrow heads and other stone tools, while walking through the woods behind our house. A representative from the Smithsonian came and purchased what I had dug up (I was offered a hundred dollars, big money for an eight year old), as well as sending a team of archeologists to excavate the site. Oddly, I never persued my interests in archeology or geology, but have a huge collection of arrow heads and other stone/obsidian pieces.
Much love,your channel is a hidden gem,keep the good work.
Thank you sir!
Hey! One of my archeology friends once told me that he entered accidentally one of the passages in the old temple and almost got lost. He claimed to have heard a lot of weird stuff from everywhere in the temple in pitch darkness, creepiest thing he's ever experienced apparently.
I totally believe that. I didn't discuss this in the video but there's been a lot of studies done on the acoustics of the temple and how they work. Apparently they can channel sounds very well and I'd expect and any little sound would be carried through there.
Happened to me too, edge of panic. Not the sounds though. Others have experienced the sophisticated (and eerie) acoustic anomolies
yes, this is because the acoustics of these passages (used in initiation ceremonies) were designed to facilitate noises etc to impress fear on the person going through initiation.
It's incredible to delve into totally unknown cultures/societies...in a way it's like discovering new worlds
I can't express the gratitude to you offering this experience to me and all the viewers
Thank you 😊
Thank you! Glad you're enjoying it!
Wow I really appreciate the high quality of this video, it is just so clear and easy to understand! Thank you so much, it helps a lot.
You're welcome!
I honestly appreciate greatly your dedication to in depth analysis of these fascinating Culture's Histories and Arts! Gratitude!!!
I can't believe a video as incredible as this has less than 1,000 likes. More people need to take interest in ancient world cultures that aren't Eurocentric. We have endless lessons in school, "world history", that only focus on Greek, Roman, Anglican, German, and British history when there are advanced and respectable cultures throughout the rest of the world that I haven't even heard of till I was in my late 30's. It's a disserevice to multiculturalism.
Thank you! Don't sweat the number of likes. Some flowers just bloom later than others.
Heck separate Bronze Age and Ancient Greece from the concept of "Western Civilization" as that concept honestly hinders the study of Ancient Greece.
The Early Horizon Period is the kind of historical terms we need more of.
Seeing as you spoke of the Amazon this episode, will you be doing a video on the Amazon Basin civilization in the future?
Yes! We'll be hitting the Amazon before the summer is out.
@@AncientAmericas Awesome!
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Great video, dude. I love studying Andean cultures, and you made a great summary.
I hate to be “that guy”, but you mispronounced some words. Quinoa is pronounced “keen-wa” usually and the l in soldering is silent.
Keep up the good work!
Thank you! Don't worry about being "that guy". I'm not going to improve if I don't know what I'm messing up.
I was going to mention solder, but please look up “bas relief”, also.
the L is soldering is not silent, americans just say it wrong lmao
Also the ch in Chavin is a hard fricative, as in Charles
True...but as we do not know how these people called themselves, whatever name we give them is wrong. :)@@adamseward4713
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I love watching these videos of yours. Sometimes I find these ancient history videos so resonant and I wonder if I was there.
Who knows.
Want to feel like Indian Jones without all the snakes? Chavin de Huantar! When I went, I took a tour out of Huaraz (with an incredibly misogynistic tour guide), but even the guide couldn't dim the power of the place. Highly recommend.
Love this channel, please keep making content
Thank you!
You have great videos, thank you for them. You have been invaluable in helping me understand ancient American civilizations as inspiration for my fantasy world.
Thank you! If you don't mind me asking, is this a fantasy world for a story, DND, a game or something else? I enjoy world building discussions.
I'm waiting for new videos about Caral Supé and the origin of the Andeans, and also videos about the races of Brazil, despite the herculean effort to get good material about it I expect something wonderful coming from this channel. Congratulations on the great work.
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Always fascinating content.
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Great work, thanks!
Wow...this video really brought me back to high school. This one art teacher was really good at summarizing what different cultures valued in their work. That's how "IT'S THE CONVERGENCE OF TWO RIVERS!" became a meme among people who took art history. He also wanted to recreate the stele in his backyard.
Dang. Did he ever recreate one?
@@AncientAmericas Probably not; He was full of these big project ideas. A hot tub heated like a Roman bath, a pair of Assyrian lamassus for his front door...but he recently opened an escape room in my hometown with his best friend (the European History teacher), so he was able to finish something! His main mojo is ceramics, so that is what took up the most space in his heart. (I think his biggest dream was to someday make his pots 'sing' when tapped, like ancient Chinese porcelain...)
This video was incredible, thanks so much!
Thank you!
I am enjoying these documentaries about pre-European civilizations in the Americas. Very interesting, informative and very well-done. Thank you.
Thank you!
I use to guide tourists to this temple! I live in the western valley of Callejón de Huaylas, the Chavin temple is located in the Callejón de Conchucos in Peru.
Sounds like a sweet job!
A place where man connects with the spiritual realm, the unseen realm. Modern materialistic man has been stripped of all that.
You mention textiles. There are embroidered textiles from these geographic areas (Paracas?) which are very interesting. It is said cactus thorns were used as needles. The stitches are quite elaborate and I wondered why they used such complex stitches. I have created and sold a lot of embroidery and needlework and can make needle lace. I think the reason such time consuming stitches were used is because they had such difficult needles from the spines of cactus. Considering that, it is amazing they could do what they did.
Hi Anna, perhaps there is something to your idea, I don’t know anything about embroidery. However something that is often not explained about Peruvian cultures is that they had no currency. What gave things their value was how much work went into making or attaining them. For this reason prestigious Peruvian products were not made by taking the easy route, often to the contrary, they would choose the most elaborate and labour intensive method of production. So the textiles you saw using the most complex stitching were likely solely for the highest ranking members of society, or were used for religious ceremonies.
I would think that, as is the case in other cultures, it might also be that embroideries ell stories or are a sort of language, or tell of somebody's family history. Also, American pre-Columbian art is very intricate, I do not see why embroidery would have been different. Also, we always forget that in fact, our ancestors were ok with creating time consuming art, with tools which we consider a little inedequate (pyramids, Stonehenge etc). Their relationship with time was not the same as ours. We in the west are the only ones who are obsessed with being fast and making money. Time is money,..and the English verbs for time and money are the same: spend/give/gain/lose/make.
Hey! I love your channel, I work on shamanism and I have been to Chavin, and I wanted to add a detail: the mucus on some of the cabezas lanzas doesn't belong to the use of san pedro (or wachuma, in its native language) which wasn´t snuffed but both cooked or turned into flour and mixed with water. The detail of the mucus corresponds to another, and I have to say, one of many, many, sacred plants that are also depicted in some of the art but their traditions have kept secret. The plant Im talking about was called wilka, and comes from ground seeds of the sebil tree. Thanks again for all your videos, Im a fan
Thank you for the insight! Very appreciated!
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I can't speak to the sub count, but I can say that the amazing content will keep coming! Thank you!
Very interesting. Some of what you mention here made me think of Göbekli Tepe, which also spread miniature local imitations in the villages around it, for instance, and which may well have been a hub for cultural exchange under a pilgrimage pretext for all the Fertile Crescent in the Mesolithic and earliest Neolithic period.
Gobekli tepe is a model of the Zodiac, that same zodiac is expressed in the dual staff welding character, the fanged god is a perfect facsimile of Ashura, or Medusa, the hundred headed God. The 7 headed leviathan appears to be the constellation of Hydra. For whatever reason we are seeing cultures on opposite sides of the globe practicing the same interpretation of the Celestial order
@@uncannyvalley2350 - I looked at it that way and I don't see it apparent: the circles of symbols are not yet "complete" in the 12-signs sequence or anything that clearly resembles it, the number of pillars varies from temple to temple... most icons seem unrelated.
@@LuisAldamiz well it was made 12,000 years ago, but it does demonstrate alignments with the Soltices and features animal motifs that we still use today, signs like Scorpio, and Pleiades, the bird. That's what all the Megaliths were for, how else do they know when to plant and harvest crops, or to go down to the sea to collect shellfish, there are cave paintings and Venus carvings 25,000 years old that demonstrate the same 13 lunation cycle of the Moon, something Women have known about since before the last Ice Age, if you catch my drift
Look at it this way, 12 X 3 is 36, times ten is 360, and each one of those stones has three bags inscribed along the top, 3 arcs of ten minutes, 72 years each, 216 years total. 10 of those is 2160 the length of an astrological age, and also the sum of the interior angles of a cube
Oh, and then there's the Altai carvings from Malt'a in Siberia, that's at least 15,000 years old, same metonic calendar too. They worshipped the Swan, aka Cygnus, whose tail Deneb used to be the Pole Star, Swans also stop off at New Grange on their migration south, I'm sure it's just coincidence
this video is EXCELLENT
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Say it with me now: Keen-Wah. Keen-Wah. Terrific channel. Excellent content.
Yup, a glorious mistake on my part. Glad you enjoyed the episode though!
600 years, not so brief. I have always been fascinated by the art and the mystery of the temples.
OMG THIS HELPED MY ART HOMEWORK SO MUCHHHHH
Glad I could help!
Yet another amazing material. Thank you. Would you mind sharing the name of the intro music? It's absolutely mesmerizing, I can't get it out of my head.
Thank you! Check the sources and bibliography in the video description. The song will be list there.
5:25 it's even theorized the channels inside had water run through them to produce a roaring acoustic marvel at the height of ceremony!
Please, tell me could you speak about the Tupy-Guarani expansion? And make a video about the Sambaqui shell mounds of Coastal Brazil? Love your channel!
I did an archaeology field school here during my undergrad!! Amazing place!
Awesome! Were you excavating somewhere in particular at the site?
@@AncientAmericas yeah! I was there the summer of 2015 as a student from the University of South Dakota. Our professors were Matthew Sayre and John Rick. John Rick and his students excavated the temple while my group excavated a nearby farm. We where there for a month so we did quite a bit of work. (Articulation of human remains, identification of ceramics and stone tools, and we found lots of llama bones). In years prior some worked whale bones were found where we were excavating from hundreds of miles away. I could go on and on! Ha but thanks for the video! I sent it to some of the people I did the field school with! Great content!
thank you, perfect for my exam tomorrow, super clear!
Good luck!
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I love the art style
Before I started working on this episode, I was somewhat apathetic to chavin art but I really came away with a respect for it after this episode.
this episode made me remember of San Agustin sculpture
I sure wish I could get my hands on some of that mescaline cactus! I haven't had any since the late sixties. I know it grows in New Mexico...I am micro dosing magic mushrooms now for severe depression...I don't feel the high at all but I feel better now after several months...
Best of luck with that!
Thanks
You're welcome!
relly good, thank you, I like your oracle theory
Thank you! It's not my theory so I can't take credit for it but I'm glad you like it!
Yes I like your. " Reading" about chavin. De. Huantar,,its waa a first teological goberment in. Peru
Taking San Pedro up the nose sounds absolutely horrific, since the powdered plant is very fluffy, you would really run the risk of choking. Taking Willka up the nose is common, and also rapay and tobacco. San Pedro is usually taken cooked in a sort of gelatinous drink, chased with lemonade. The statues with the runny noses would more likely indicate what I already mentioned. It is administered in a small pipe or bone, inserted in the nose and despached with a quick puff of air (by somebody else like e.g. the shaman). Anyway, thank you much for your work!
Thanks! I'm certainly no San Pedro expert so I have no idea what the best method of taking it would be. Snorting anything up my nose sounds about as pleasant as walking on broken glass barefoot.
All so fascinating, thank you! Well organised, well unified presentation. Your master plan for these videos shows. It's helpful how you refer back to other videos on the topic, very instructive. It all flows.
One question about the pronunciation of Chavin. Is the "sh" initial sound correct? My [Mexican] Spanish would have a "ch" sound, as in "church" for the initial sound, as their alphabet had A, B, C, CH, D... (The CH has since been omitted, with other modernisations.) Or was that a Gallic adoption?
Thank you! I've heard it both ways but I'm thinking that the ch as in church is probably correct.
@@AncientAmericas Peruvian here, we use Ch as in church, it's a strong quechua sound that has a strong presence in our vocabulary. Great video :)
How do you know so much about ancient Americas? :O
Consistently pick the most interesting topics
Thank you! There is no shortage of interesting topics.
Hi, I'm from Peru, the right pronunciation of the ch for Chavin is like when say the word Chapstick and not like the ch when you say Chicago.
That's my mistake. I've only ever heard it pronounced with a soft -ch. I need to do a better job with pronunciation.
@@AncientAmericas Hey there! I'm by no means an expert, but as an armchair linguist, I happen to have a hobby of collecting info on phonological systems of different languages, especially indigenous languages of the Americas. If you like, I'd be glad to help you out with pronunciations of different words in Nahuatl, Classical Maya, Quechua, Spanish, etc. for future videos! Definitely let me know if you're interested.
I would like to see a video on how to read the deciphered Mayan glyphs. Do you plan to make it in the future?
I would definitely like to someday. I even have a book on how to read them but it would require a lot of time to figure it out.
@@AncientAmericas I'll look forward to when or if it happens!
I love your videos, minor nag: Quinoa is pronounced 'keen-waa'
Thank you! I have much to learn. I'm guaranteed to butcher something in each episode.
Unfortunately conquistadores forbade use of quinoa because of it's usage among Incas in their religious ceremonies. Same goes for Amaranth among Aztecs in precolumbian Mexico.
I've heard of some theories from the 80s that put Chavín in relation to the Olmecs. This should also explain the pantheon (especially the jaguar cult), whose animal deities, with the exception of the condor, are not native to the Chavín area. However, while I have found numerous articles and works that point to the similarities between the two civilizations and also consider a commercial relationship, I was unable to find out anything about a link between the two. Are there theories about a relationship or even a descent of the Chavin to the Olmecs, or are these just clumsy explanations?
It's possible I guess but I don't think it's that surprising that the jaguar is a commonly depicted in art in many cultures. It's a powerful and awesome animal. Lions and tigers appear in the art of many cultures in Africa, Europe and Asia because they were fearsome and powerful predators, not necessarily because they were all in close contact.
What a beautiful culture
I’ve snuff San Pedro and a “runny nose” is an understatement of the body’s response
Another top notch video. Fascinating, and all new to me. I'm no expert, but if "Chavin" is given a Spanish pronunciation the initial "ch" would be hard like "chocolate". Buit I may be off base here; maybe it's not a Spanish word but from a native language? Great video anyway.
Thank you! I've heard it pronounced many ways so I could easily be wrong.
Great video but we need to reassess the current timelines, clearly older in my opinion.
The snuff was not Trichocereus. The plant was Andenanthera colubrina, or vilca, and the toasted crushed seeds were the source of the snuff.
Interesting! So the seeds contain the hallucinagenic agent?
@@AncientAmericas yes. there is quite a bit or research out there now
@@chriscosby9873 Thanks for letting me know! Always appreciate this kind of feedback!
@@AncientAmericas Sure. Thanks for a great video! Doug Sharon's work is very informative and describes the tobacco juice that is often taken through the nose using shells and such, as well.
Lots of rituals, sacrifices, sayances, chants, and pleadings
A similar example of this would be the domestication of horses by Proto-Indoeuropean people. Horses allowed them to trade and migrate over such huge distances, that today many old world languages, from India to Iceland, have roots in the language spoken by those people.
Pronunciation: Chavin is not Sha-Veen! but Chah'veen. Quinua (Quinoa) is Keen-u-a not Kwin oh-a. Been there, and the white granite relief of the priest wears regalia of Condor (world above) Jaguar (middle world) and rattlesnake world below. Chavin isn't in the highlands but on the trail east of the Pacific crest to the Amazon basin. I don't know about the North-South connections, but it was reasonably easy to get there from Huaraz to the north, which sits looking at the highest tropical mountain range in the world, the Cordillera Blanca (time was it was always covered in snow, -don't know about now!)
“Chavi” en lenguaje Caribe significa “tigre” y la variación “Chavinave” sería “hijos de tigre con lanza”. Mi apellido es Chaviguri y coincide con la zona geografica ...
¿y entonces quién es Bulnes Campos?
I actually have a clone of a cactus that was taken, with permission from the ceremonial site. It was planted there by the ancients and also used by the ancients. To try the same cactus the ancients used.. Now thats a trip.
I can only imagine!
Mescaline containing cacti are not ever used as a snuff. They are consumed as a tea and it would be impossible to get effects from taking it nasally. The snuffs used are various DMT containing snuffs made from the seeds or bark of various Anadenanthera trees.
I'm sure there are multiple ways to ingest it but I've actually seen pictures of modern indigenous people snuffing it.
Seems that the Amazonian connections were very important on the ancient Andean cultures specially on the earliest development stages both considering praisings to the biodiversity of the nearby region or also some cultural traits and beliefs as the trophee heads.
Agreed! It's something that I don't think get's talked about as much as it should.
@@AncientAmericas there seems it was kinda a higher cultural connection between both the higher complex civilization areas at the Americas and the areas with more simple cultures neverthless. However it´s seldomly addressed because the colonial invaders kinda view the whole area as lower-developed in contrast with them so in all that contempts the native civilizations are very looked-down on their own achievements and goals, and so much idisrespected that even today thats how pseudohistorical and wierd theories addresing outer influences either ETs or early Old Wolrd unknown travelers to rise the evolution of their people as if they couldn´t do on their own.
At 0:08:37 ... the deity with two sticks, upside down it looks like a dragon (with a crocodile mouth) blowing hot air.
It kinda does!
Cant wait for the Nazcas
Hoping to get to them sooner rather later but we'll see how it shakes out.
I just wish we knew more it’s so sad that we will never know the true theology of Chavin
Someone loves to say Chavin de Huantar. I I love to hear.
13:20 “A mushroom! Maybe it’s friendly?”
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pottery on the cheap...I think it is an anachronistic remark: in pottery, once a pattern is observed and remembered, it is easy for a potter to copy/be inspired. The same applies to sculptures. It is done locally for logistical reasons: potteries and sculptures are dodgy to transport: breakable and heavy.
I don't think the San Pedro cactus was snuffed. It takes about a two foot chuck of the cactus for a solid trip and from what I understand, the method used would have been to brew a drink out of it. I think it's more likely the seeds of the Cebil tree were snuffed. This is reflected by the Concentric circle motif, which is likely a motif of both the jaguar spot and the seeds of the tree.
I'm no expert on San Pedro cactus but I've only read about it being snuffed. There may be many other ways to ingest it that I'm just not aware of.
@@AncientAmericas Thanks for the reply and I really enjoy your content.
I can almost guarantee San Pedro cactus was not snuffed. The way they would have prepared that (and still do) would be to slice a long section of the cactus up into little star shaped chunks and boil them down until you have a fairly think green syrup which is drunk. The amount of powdered cactus it would take to make a snuff is on the order of about 300-500 grams per dose. The cactus is very popular nowadays as an alternative to peyote since it grows much faster.
The seeds of the Cebil tree (Anadenanthera colubrina) were the components of the snuffs used. About 5-10 seeds would be heated on a cooking surface until they pop like popcorn, after which the skins would be removed and they would be ground up and powdered, usually with sea shells or lime. DNA evidence found in snuff trays puts its use in the altiplano and the pacific coast back at least 4,000 years, and it is still used today be shamans, albeit more rarely now than historically. The active compound in this is a tryptamine called bufotenin, a close analogue to DMT.
An interesting side note is that a close relative of the Cebil tree is also used in the eastern regions and in the Amazon, called Yopo (Anadenanthera peregrina).
I think there were some other snuffs used, but by far the most common would have been Yopo and Cebil, particularly Cebil in the altiplano and western Peru/Chile.
Again, I don't want to be nitpicky, as I really like your videos and I've been binge watching them for the past week or so haha.
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@@mackenlyparmelee5440 appreciate the feedback! That's very interesting!
@@AncientAmericas Like I said, I love your channel, and I subscribed for notifications whenever something new comes out. Much respect, brother!
Very informative and beautifully designed! Actually it is not San Pedro/Huachuma but Vilca (Bufetin and 5-Meo-DMT). Very strobg snuff- The nasal juices come out. Presumably they used both in Chavin. They found some tubes filled with rest of it....
Sorry i was late to the party lol but thanks for the info...brudda !!!
Don't worry baby Yoda, you're just fashionably late.
Quiñoa is pronounced keen-wa. Dipthong at the end.
Yup, I botched that pretty bad.
@@AncientAmericas foreign language is difficult.
It means you learned something from reading and that will never be wrong. Your content is awesome.
@@bruciferburton5246 why thank you!
Never heard of huachuma being snuffed before. People drink it. You need to consume about a pint, so snuffing it wouldn’t work. The snuff trays were likely for other snorted hallucinogens/drugs, such as rapé (tobacco), yopo (DMT), vilka(yopo relative, used by the Inca).
What were the tools the Obsidian was being made into? I have seen the Obsidian tools of Mexico but not Peru.
Ooof. I'd have to check my notes and see. I don't remember off the top of my head.
@@AncientAmericas In Mexico obsidian was made into prismatic blades, eccentrics and biracial blades and some unifacial blades. I have never seen Peruvian worked obsidian.
@@ThomasSmith-os4zc I'd have to check. I could easily be mistaken.
@@AncientAmericas I saw a program yesterday that is one year old that talked about a smashed obsidian artifact at Chavin. The program was Media something HD. So they found obsidian at Chavin
I go to Mexico once a year for my wife to visit our grand babies and her family but for one day she and I go over to a famous Mexican Archaeologist house and he and I talk about glyphs, iconography and sites for five and a half hours, then we sit down for a nice Mexican dinner then he calls us a cab and we tell he and his wife goodbye.
MetaI tooIs in Perú.
I like expecially Caballo Muerto as a place name :)
It's pretty memorable.
pre-ceramic? is there a pre-tupperware? circa 1981
Don't see why not.
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In the ancient world, it seems a lot of carvings depicted faces as square (easier?), and with wide mouths, round eyes and a flared nose. The one shown at 24.31 is reminiscent of Chinese dragons. Coincidence? Developed independently over time? I'd love to see what the gods of Proto-Indo Europeans looked like.
I do wonder, just what would be so important as a trade item that anyone would want to travel to the Amazon to get it?? Or was there an important civilized people there who had something important to share
That's a million dollar question right there.
What do you think about chavin de huantar and the prophet Ezekiel?
I've seen no evidence that they are connected. Is there something I should know?
@@AncientAmericas i think you should check out about the book of Enoch. Theres super instresting thing hidden on the plain sight it seems.
@@justbecky5167 anything in particular I should keep an eye out for?
Thanks for another interesting podcast 😃. The similarity of the Chavin & Olmec cultures is obvious, both using big cats (jaguar/panther) as sacred animals. The ancient Chinese cultures of the Shang, Chou, & Han dynasties also considered a big cat as sacred, the tiger. Could there be some sort of ancestral connection between these cultures beginning in Asia?
You're welcome! Big cats like lions, leopards, jaguars, panthers and tigers pop up in sacred and royal imagery all over the world. In my opinion, it has less to do with ancient connections and more to do with the fact that big cats are just awesome and powerful animals.
11:01 And what if they weren't amazonian animals, but highlands animals instead?
"Jaguar" ---- Puma
"Harpy Eagle" ---- Andean condor, corenquenque, falcon or others
"Snake" ---- Andean snake (there are species of highland snakes like Tachymenis peruviana)
"Caiman" ---- Tumbes crocodile (I know I'm kind of cheating this time because this is from the coast, but still, why it couldn't be?
All very fair points!
Under the sand of the Peruvian cost line there are a more older civilization to be discovery which will change the book of history that we were completely wrong about it
You mean caral and secchin?
maybe the Chavin culture was a hybrid one with both people from the coast and amazon coming together we think of civilizations sometimes from a one colored view also to add you dont snuff the cactus you eat or make a tea out of it they probably snuffed other things like yopo seeds that are psychedelic as well
I've actually suspected this even before I ever made this episode. There certainly seems to be an Amazonian influence.
@@AncientAmericas can i ask you did you have a video on Taino culture and it got removed or im just not remembering right
Nope, I've never covered the Taino. I do have a video on the settlement of the Caribbean and perhaps that's the video you're thinking of.
All that Mescaline had the Chavín real busy.
Yup.
At the price of the Bruno, it should come with at least two containers/lids.
I’d like to bring up a difference of opinion on Shamanism. You mention hallucinogens; but I believe the correct term that many ethnobotanists are using is Entheogen, rather than hallucinogen. The connotations of the words are different, and as such, the perceptions laymen develop are also different.
I never knew that word existed and after consulting the dictionary, I agree that it's much better than hallucinogen. Thank you for bringing it to my attention!
@@AncientAmericas you’re quite welcome! I was not aware of it until last year abouts.
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А то что в Чавин де Уантаре использованы вперемешку крупные высокотехнологичные блоки и крупные же, но грубо обработанные видно не беспокоит официальных учёных. Хотя тут явно наличие вторичного использования блоков древней более высокоразвитой цивилизации.
Can not snuff cactus, you are wrong on your explanation of the statues. They sniffed tobacco liquid before taking the cactus. They would take alittle to cleanse themselves, usually in a seashell, which was infused in water then inhaled through the nostril.
Good to know!
I like to call Chavin The Great Amazon & Pacific Trading Company.
The A & P
If you knew what Chavin was connected to you would make the greatest Archaeological discovery of all time
What is it supposedly connected too? Just curious.
I love caves & tunnels.
@@jaymevosburgh3660 I am going to Mexico the 10th and talk to a famous Mexican Archaeologist after that I might tell you.
Prehispanic people believed that crocodilians were Hermaphroditic that is they were born female and as they grew older and larger they became male.