@SansDeity Alright look if you're a committed and honest Atheist you would denounce a meaning of life look a meaning of life is something that goes along with religion it's not provided by Atheism. A Atheist saying they believe in a meaning of life is like me as a Christian saying I believe in reincarnation or like a Muslim bowing to a statue of Bhudda just don't go together or even make since so if you're a real legit Atheist not only should you admit that as a Atheist you don't believe life don't mean anything but act like it my scriptures tell me faith without works is dead but it also says without faith it is impossible to please God. I mean if you are a Atheist not only admit you don't believe in a meaning of life but also act on it meaning you don't care about food , love , family , bedding , health , safety , medical care , hygen , sanitation ect. Also you wouldn't care if you're sick or healthy. When it comes down to morality Atheism doesn't have that yes there are Atheists that have there own morals but let's be honest Atheism is silent on what is right or wrong or okay meaning as a Atheist it's not right or wrong or okay if you donate clothes to the homeless or spit in a homeless person's face because they disgust you or say hello to someone you just met or punch in there face because you find them repulsive or tell your spouse you love her or commit adultery on a daily basis. I consider Atheism to be a form of rebellion and denial. Atheism has no rules on love , family , gender , violence , marriage , faithfulness , lust , sexuality , reproduction , witchcraft , expression ect so yes Atheism/Agnostism is disorder and confusion no accountability. As for a afterlife it exists because of the anatomy of the body is spirit , soul and body. The body is carnal it gets ichy , sick , hungry , smelly , thirty , tired , ect it's carnal able to see , makes sounds and be touched. the Spirit is you. You are not your body or your soul your a spirit being your soul is your thinker , chooser , will , filler ect. When a person dies they can't see or hear or touch of think or eat or drink or anything like that why because there spirit and soul is absent regardless of if you're buried or cremated your spirit and soul leaves after you die either goes to Heaven or Hell a place you can't take a mortal body. There is One God existing in three persons not three Gods but like a way of life or way of existence like this God is not like matter like electricity , fire , heat , stone , ect. God is someone we all have a relationship with even many Atheists curse God out as well as say oh my God. Okay Jesus is God lower case g okay let me explain God yes God is a spirit unseen to the living everywhere at the same time. Okay let's define what a God is a God in a religious context is a deity capital God. In some contexts a god lower case g is a person who is very gifted and talented. God choose to manifest his presence in the flesh and form a person you see the reason why Jesus is god but he was able to die on the cross is because when a person is in the flesh it's limited like this generally speaking God can't die but the flesh can. When Jesus was on earth he did great works preached the gospel , cast out demons , heal the sick , raised the dead , ect it wasn't his flesh doing it. It was the Spirit of God working in the body doing it. Jesus said i do nothing of my own meaning it's not his flesh and blood doing it. It's the spirit of God in him. You see God is not limited like we are God doesn't need to sleep or eat or drink liquids or learn or grow or sweat or use the bathroom so God can do things we can't do God is not limited by location or reality like we are. It was the same Spirit that raised the body up from the dead to show the world they can have hope in God. The Holy Spirit is the mediator.
Reminds me of that scene from Firefly. Shepherd Book: "Captain, you mind if I say grace?" Captain Mal: "Only if you say it out loud" Although, I've always felt that if I were the Captain, my response would have been that, hey, I'm the Captain. I'm the head of the table. It should be my responsibility to give the thanks over the meal. No, no, Shepherd Book, let me give grace. And then I'd thank the crew for their work to help us afford food. I'd thank Shepherd Book for the food he brought from the Abbey. I'd thank the farmers. I'd thank the shopkeepers who sold the food. I'd thank the delivery drivers for transporting the food. I'd thank the engineers who built the tractors and the farming equipment (and the shopkeepers and delivery people who delivered those things too). I'd thank the scientists for developing fertilisers and the Habor process that helps us grow the food, I'd thank the ancestors who developed this whole system that makes getting food so relatively simple and thank them for, you know, sticking around that any of us were born in the first place. I'd go through the list, and be as comprehensive as I can about who we have to thank for the food. And God wouldn't be on that list. You may now eat. And if the shepherd complained, I could concede an entry for God, I guess: "and possibly some sort of a god, who perhaps kicked off the universe - we don't know - but it seems deeply unlikely and they haven't done much of anything else ever since. And screw the Abrahamic God in particular, because he actually made food harder to grow, as part of his silly eternally inherited 'punishment' for being annoyed that a woman had a fruit salad. So, like, anti-thanks to God for actually making it harder to put food on this table. Thanks for nothing, you arsehole".
On this topic, I sometimes rewatch Sam Singleton's talk from Skepticon 4. It's a whole show, but the meat is about thanks and gratitude. I think it still holds well.
@@SansDeity If I were to say more, you would feel compelled to say more in response, and I know that you don't have the luxury of carrying on in depth conversations in the comments sections. So I'll just say that I'm very surprised that you would disagree and leave it at that.
I'm no longer surprised that you would disagree with my comment only because of what appears to be a poor choice of phrasing on my part. Perhaps what I should have said was that there are many in this world who are not able to feel grateful. But then even that comes off as an unwarranted claim on my part doesn't it. Anyway, I appreciated your response only because it caused me to take a look at my original phrasing.
When somebody says they're hungry, ask them who they're hungry to. I can think of no better way to explain to them how I can be thankful without being thankful TO anybody in particular...
A Huge pet peeve of mine is people thanking god for things people have done. And benefitting from the fruits of science while basically denying science(or just taking it for granted). Our entire modern existence is owed to science!
The other day I was out riding my bicycle and an incident happened where I could have crashed, but I didn't. I've had 4 crashes in the last year. I started thinking about how in the past, I would have prayed to God, thanking him for not crashing. Then it hit me, how could a god be responsible for me not crashing, and also NOT responsible for the 4 other times I was seriously hurt? It just made me laugh 😅
Crazy, but yes. Road split around a brick wall, as I went around, big box truck was stopped in the middle of the road. Next, big long crack in the road just big enough for my tires sucked me in and threw me off my bike. Next, a dog ran in front of my front wheel and finally, turning a corner on a group ride and hit a big missing piece of the road. I still have managed to ride 7,500 miles this year, but yeah, it was crazy!
James, dude, that's exactly my thought, I wish I had scrolled down and see your comment before I made mine (it was exactly about that, "thanking _a god_ for something "lucky" or good for you, but not complaining for "unlucky" or bad, when it's that dude, who's responsible for _everything_ - and according to some watches (specially when people masturbate), knows and can do everything)
I live in a country where education is free for all, and you actually get paid to study in uni. Now that's trickle down economics in practice. But let's not forget it means higher taxes.
Zup Matt. 👏👏👏👏 Thanks for doing it; Real Education for almost 20-yrs. to-date. 🤷 fyi, I deconverted a few months after my Mom passed 5/1/2018. I started following you on AXP about 13-15 yrs. ago. 🤷 ••• Quick question; What time are you on The Line Show, Every Sunday? ••• Cheers!! ☝️Dave P. 🎄Happy🎄Holidays!🎄 PS •Atheists-men 🤷😂☝️🤷😂☝️🤷
Thanks Matt, You stated very well what I have always found irritating. Thanking god for something that was obviously due to something that humans did. Also, claiming something was a miracle when disaster was averted by random chance. Does god get blamed if a tree falls on someone and kills them? Of course not, that was just an accident, or they had it coming, and that was just god's way to punish them. Keep up the good work.
In regards to drugs for fat loss - the problem isn't the lack of drugs, but the ignorance or unwilingness to a adopt a proper human dier. Look up the carnivore one.
I always thought that if people are thanking a god for getting cured or getting lucky or getting something they want, they should also complain to him when they get unlucky or get sick or - like Matt says - their car breaks down or internet goes down. I mean sure, there are doctors and engineers and all those unimportant middle people, but it is their god who's really responsible for everything, right? (and, to quote Forrest, "it's a dude":D)
Gratitude without an entity toward whom to direct it, is like being happy but not being an "optimist." It can seem counterintuitive when expressed as a single phrase, but in practicality it's not that hard to grok- like a pessimist is able to be pleasantly surprised by good outcomes more often than a person who tends to expect preferable outcomes (and is sometimes unpleasantly surprised by negative outcomes), being grateful is practice for being content with what you have, even if some things could stand to be different. Very often, other humans share the credit for life's "blessings", but the experience of gratitude can come from something as impersonal as the weather- for the sun shining on your skin or for a much-needed rain. Some people think that the experience of gratitude for natural phenomena is proof that there is a Creator which we are instinctually aware of and grateful toward(very CS Lewis of them), but if anything, it could just as well be evidence that the 'Creator" is a persona humans contrived because it satisfies the relational tendencies of our species.
Matt, what is your position on the Israel-Palestine issue? You overwhelmingly cover religion, so I’d be interested in your thoughts on broader political issues.
@@SansDeity hey Matt, I would love a video about ancient gods and the origins of our god. Some of my favorite moments on the ACA are when Tracy would ramble on and on about the historical religions and I would get disappointed when you would stop her and move on to calls :(
"Acting out Christianity " You mean being self righteously smug about ancient myths , while claiming those who don't believe the fairytale are going to the bad place... That kind of acting out ???
I can relate to feeling gratitude and wanting to direct towards someone or something. But a lot of the times when I was religious it felt like a non sequitur action so to speak. Like watching a great play or film or concert in N*zi Germany and then thanking the F*rhrer for it. What does he have to do with anything? What does he have to do with how great the play, film, or concert were? Nothing at all. Why don't we thank the playwrights, actors, filmmakers, musicians, and composers intead? Similarly--as Aron has said before--its always funny how they thank God only when the chemo treatment kicks in, but if you went by faith or prayer alone, then because of obvious ensuing outcome it would only be "God works in mysyerious ways" or "he took them home" to even more asinine explanations like "we didn't have enough faith" or even "they didn't have enough faith" or the worst "they were in some sin and/or were being punished". But I'd rather just thank the doctors, and the people whose skills and hard work are truly responsible and to be respected, rather than take away all that is noble and good about ourselves and attribute them to a god instead, only to be infantilized--or maybe worse dehumanized--and left with all that is not those things. All of these are copes for the fact that faith and prayer (or just wishful thinking I would really call it, like the law of attraction or manifesting are) have 100% fail or mortality rates, and that what little ways claims of answered prayer seem to succeed is always actually because of a placebo at play, where the problem isn't fatal enough that it can be recovered from whether you pray or not, or treated by something else that actually does the curing (even including the asinine "god helped me find my keys", which is a slap in the face of all who truly could be helped and who need to be helped if god is all powerful or all benevolent), always something small or slight of hand, never something obviously spectacular or impossible. Just because we want something doesn't mean it will come to us, we have to be proactive and take initiative to make it happen, or else some kind person will for and with us, and even then we might not get what we hope for. But let's not rationalize these inevitable failures with coping or appealing to mystery or a divine plan, but try to face it with acceptance and clarity of reality. Anyways that's enough of my pontificating rant I didnt expect that to turn into, but it's good practice I find to help me think through things and put my thoughts in order.
Love you matt...seriously one of the most honest people I don't know. Maximum respect and gratitude for all you do!
Thank you Matt for providing one of those most critical components of life...Education.
Spot on, Matt. Thank the people around you. Great advice.
This is the sort of content I really enjoy from you, Matt. You always make me think and reflect on my own position and how I view things.
Matt, thank you for all the hard work, i am glad i support your channel, i just wish i could do more. Would love to buy you a beer one day
Yes. Please explain that 11 day thing
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@SansDeity Alright look if you're a committed and honest Atheist you would denounce a meaning of life look a meaning of life is something that goes along with religion it's not provided by Atheism. A Atheist saying they believe in a meaning of life is like me as a Christian saying I believe in reincarnation or like a Muslim bowing to a statue of Bhudda just don't go together or even make since so if you're a real legit Atheist not only should you admit that as a Atheist you don't believe life don't mean anything but act like it my scriptures tell me faith without works is dead but it also says without faith it is impossible to please God. I mean if you are a Atheist not only admit you don't believe in a meaning of life but also act on it meaning you don't care about food , love , family , bedding , health , safety , medical care , hygen , sanitation ect. Also you wouldn't care if you're sick or healthy. When it comes down to morality Atheism doesn't have that yes there are Atheists that have there own morals but let's be honest Atheism is silent on what is right or wrong or okay meaning as a Atheist it's not right or wrong or okay if you donate clothes to the homeless or spit in a homeless person's face because they disgust you or say hello to someone you just met or punch in there face because you find them repulsive or tell your spouse you love her or commit adultery on a daily basis. I consider Atheism to be a form of rebellion and denial. Atheism has no rules on love , family , gender , violence , marriage , faithfulness , lust , sexuality , reproduction , witchcraft , expression ect so yes Atheism/Agnostism is disorder and confusion no accountability. As for a afterlife it exists because of the anatomy of the body is spirit , soul and body. The body is carnal it gets ichy , sick , hungry , smelly , thirty , tired , ect it's carnal able to see , makes sounds and be touched. the Spirit is you. You are not your body or your soul your a spirit being your soul is your thinker , chooser , will , filler ect. When a person dies they can't see or hear or touch of think or eat or drink or anything like that why because there spirit and soul is absent regardless of if you're buried or cremated your spirit and soul leaves after you die either goes to Heaven or Hell a place you can't take a mortal body. There is One God existing in three persons not three Gods but like a way of life or way of existence like this God is not like matter like electricity , fire , heat , stone , ect. God is someone we all have a relationship with even many Atheists curse God out as well as say oh my God. Okay Jesus is God lower case g okay let me explain God yes God is a spirit unseen to the living everywhere at the same time. Okay let's define what a God is a God in a religious context is a deity capital God. In some contexts a god lower case g is a person who is very gifted and talented. God choose to manifest his presence in the flesh and form a person you see the reason why Jesus is god but he was able to die on the cross is because when a person is in the flesh it's limited like this generally speaking God can't die but the flesh can. When Jesus was on earth he did great works preached the gospel , cast out demons , heal the sick , raised the dead , ect it wasn't his flesh doing it. It was the Spirit of God working in the body doing it. Jesus said i do nothing of my own meaning it's not his flesh and blood doing it. It's the spirit of God in him. You see God is not limited like we are God doesn't need to sleep or eat or drink liquids or learn or grow or sweat or use the bathroom so God can do things we can't do God is not limited by location or reality like we are. It was the same Spirit that raised the body up from the dead to show the world they can have hope in God. The Holy Spirit is the mediator.
I feel the same! Thank the people who help you and not only the being that you worship. You know the people are real at least.
Grateful to have a channel like yours
As a transfer station attendant, thanks for the shout out 😊
Thanks Matt !
Aleays grateful that youre willing to share your ideas and perspectives with the world. ❤
Thank you and the others out there for what you do. When I get my crap together, I will definitely show more support.
Reminds me of that scene from Firefly.
Shepherd Book: "Captain, you mind if I say grace?"
Captain Mal: "Only if you say it out loud"
Although, I've always felt that if I were the Captain, my response would have been that, hey, I'm the Captain. I'm the head of the table. It should be my responsibility to give the thanks over the meal. No, no, Shepherd Book, let me give grace.
And then I'd thank the crew for their work to help us afford food. I'd thank Shepherd Book for the food he brought from the Abbey. I'd thank the farmers. I'd thank the shopkeepers who sold the food. I'd thank the delivery drivers for transporting the food. I'd thank the engineers who built the tractors and the farming equipment (and the shopkeepers and delivery people who delivered those things too). I'd thank the scientists for developing fertilisers and the Habor process that helps us grow the food, I'd thank the ancestors who developed this whole system that makes getting food so relatively simple and thank them for, you know, sticking around that any of us were born in the first place.
I'd go through the list, and be as comprehensive as I can about who we have to thank for the food. And God wouldn't be on that list. You may now eat.
And if the shepherd complained, I could concede an entry for God, I guess: "and possibly some sort of a god, who perhaps kicked off the universe - we don't know - but it seems deeply unlikely and they haven't done much of anything else ever since. And screw the Abrahamic God in particular, because he actually made food harder to grow, as part of his silly eternally inherited 'punishment' for being annoyed that a woman had a fruit salad. So, like, anti-thanks to God for actually making it harder to put food on this table. Thanks for nothing, you arsehole".
I could have sworn Mal's line was "only if you do it silently."
Blessed be the name, Pinecreek Doug.
I look forward to Matt's conversation with that splendid fellow!
@@PonyboyGarfunkel wouldn't waste a second talking to that bigot
@@SansDeity >"wouldn't waste a second talking to that bigot"
Love this episode!!!
Thanks, Matt, for all you did that helped me shake the indoctrination I got that made me believe in a sky daddy.
On this topic, I sometimes rewatch Sam Singleton's talk from Skepticon 4. It's a whole show, but the meat is about thanks and gratitude. I think it still holds well.
Not that you don't recognize it, but there are many in this world who literally have nothing to be grateful for.
@@somethingyousaid5059 i disagree
@@SansDeity
If I were to say more, you would feel compelled to say more in response, and I know that you don't have the luxury of carrying on in depth conversations in the comments sections. So I'll just say that I'm very surprised that you would disagree and leave it at that.
I'm no longer surprised that you would disagree with my comment only because of what appears to be a poor choice of phrasing on my part.
Perhaps what I should have said was that there are many in this world who are not able to feel grateful.
But then even that comes off as an unwarranted claim on my part doesn't it.
Anyway, I appreciated your response only because it caused me to take a look at my original phrasing.
When somebody says they're hungry, ask them who they're hungry to. I can think of no better way to explain to them how I can be thankful without being thankful TO anybody in particular...
A Huge pet peeve of mine is people thanking god for things people have done. And benefitting from the fruits of science while basically denying science(or just taking it for granted). Our entire modern existence is owed to science!
The other day I was out riding my bicycle and an incident happened where I could have crashed, but I didn't. I've had 4 crashes in the last year. I started thinking about how in the past, I would have prayed to God, thanking him for not crashing. Then it hit me, how could a god be responsible for me not crashing, and also NOT responsible for the 4 other times I was seriously hurt? It just made me laugh 😅
I mean this in the nicest way possible but you crashed 4 times in the last year????
Crazy, but yes. Road split around a brick wall, as I went around, big box truck was stopped in the middle of the road. Next, big long crack in the road just big enough for my tires sucked me in and threw me off my bike. Next, a dog ran in front of my front wheel and finally, turning a corner on a group ride and hit a big missing piece of the road. I still have managed to ride 7,500 miles this year, but yeah, it was crazy!
James, dude, that's exactly my thought, I wish I had scrolled down and see your comment before I made mine (it was exactly about that, "thanking _a god_ for something "lucky" or good for you, but not complaining for "unlucky" or bad, when it's that dude, who's responsible for _everything_ - and according to some watches (specially when people masturbate), knows and can do everything)
That's a crash in 2000 miles. Sounds realistic. Of course speed, driving surface, traffic, bike lanes etc matter too.
I love Dan Dennets article "Thank Goodness"
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Education should be free for all
Possibly true, although it appears that most educated people benefit only monetarily, not morally.
Damned right.
I live in a country where education is free for all, and you actually get paid to study in uni. Now that's trickle down economics in practice. But let's not forget it means higher taxes.
@LukeSumIpsePatremTe Seems worth it though!
@@LukeSumIpsePatremTeUSA taxes go to WMDs.
Zup Matt. 👏👏👏👏 Thanks for doing it; Real Education for almost 20-yrs. to-date. 🤷
fyi, I deconverted a few months after my Mom passed 5/1/2018.
I started following you on AXP about 13-15 yrs. ago. 🤷 ••• Quick question; What time are you on The Line Show, Every Sunday? •••
Cheers!! ☝️Dave P.
🎄Happy🎄Holidays!🎄
PS •Atheists-men
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Thanks Matt, You stated very well what I have always found irritating. Thanking god for something that was obviously due to something that humans did. Also, claiming something was a miracle when disaster was averted by random chance. Does god get blamed if a tree falls on someone and kills them? Of course not, that was just an accident, or they had it coming, and that was just god's way to punish them.
Keep up the good work.
Praise the Lord!! Na, just kidding.
Is this an old video, why Matt looks like this, no beard and younger?
Im at 34 lbs lost with Mounjaro so far(5 months).
Hey Matt. Can you do some coverage of what's happening in Palestine on your channel?
debate Wes Huff
In regards to drugs for fat loss - the problem isn't the lack of drugs, but the ignorance or unwilingness to a adopt a proper human dier. Look up the carnivore one.
Carnivore diet isn't healthy. Please check your sources.
I always thought that if people are thanking a god for getting cured or getting lucky or getting something they want, they should also complain to him when they get unlucky or get sick or - like Matt says - their car breaks down or internet goes down. I mean sure, there are doctors and engineers and all those unimportant middle people, but it is their god who's really responsible for everything, right? (and, to quote Forrest, "it's a dude":D)
Gratitude without an entity toward whom to direct it, is like being happy but not being an "optimist." It can seem counterintuitive when expressed as a single phrase, but in practicality it's not that hard to grok- like a pessimist is able to be pleasantly surprised by good outcomes more often than a person who tends to expect preferable outcomes (and is sometimes unpleasantly surprised by negative outcomes), being grateful is practice for being content with what you have, even if some things could stand to be different.
Very often, other humans share the credit for life's "blessings", but the experience of gratitude can come from something as impersonal as the weather- for the sun shining on your skin or for a much-needed rain. Some people think that the experience of gratitude for natural phenomena is proof that there is a Creator which we are instinctually aware of and grateful toward(very CS Lewis of them), but if anything, it could just as well be evidence that the 'Creator" is a persona humans contrived because it satisfies the relational tendencies of our species.
Matt, what is your position on the Israel-Palestine issue? You overwhelmingly cover religion, so I’d be interested in your thoughts on broader political issues.
Hey Matt. Noticed you may have a stye on your right eye. Check it out, but you may find omega 3 supplements work to prevent them. Love your work.
Nice content Matt, thank you. Eat the Rich
Spirituality can enhance a person's ability to be grateful.
But it's not necessary at all.
So can alcohol and MDMA.
@@bensisko2443 spirituality is a meaningless term
@@SansDeity hey Matt, I would love a video about ancient gods and the origins of our god. Some of my favorite moments on the ACA are when Tracy would ramble on and on about the historical religions and I would get disappointed when you would stop her and move on to calls :(
Define Spirituality?
it's really hard to explain acting out christianity while claiming to be an atheist, i get it.
'acting out christianity' nice bait
@@natedizzy4939 you wish
terrible bait. try better next time
"Acting out Christianity "
You mean being self righteously smug about ancient myths ,
while claiming those who don't believe the fairytale are going to the bad place...
That kind of acting out ???
Nate, do you wear seat belt? Why - because you know god doesn't exist.
I can relate to feeling gratitude and wanting to direct towards someone or something. But a lot of the times when I was religious it felt like a non sequitur action so to speak. Like watching a great play or film or concert in N*zi Germany and then thanking the F*rhrer for it. What does he have to do with anything? What does he have to do with how great the play, film, or concert were? Nothing at all. Why don't we thank the playwrights, actors, filmmakers, musicians, and composers intead?
Similarly--as Aron has said before--its always funny how they thank God only when the chemo treatment kicks in, but if you went by faith or prayer alone, then because of obvious ensuing outcome it would only be "God works in mysyerious ways" or "he took them home" to even more asinine explanations like "we didn't have enough faith" or even "they didn't have enough faith" or the worst "they were in some sin and/or were being punished". But I'd rather just thank the doctors, and the people whose skills and hard work are truly responsible and to be respected, rather than take away all that is noble and good about ourselves and attribute them to a god instead, only to be infantilized--or maybe worse dehumanized--and left with all that is not those things.
All of these are copes for the fact that faith and prayer (or just wishful thinking I would really call it, like the law of attraction or manifesting are) have 100% fail or mortality rates, and that what little ways claims of answered prayer seem to succeed is always actually because of a placebo at play, where the problem isn't fatal enough that it can be recovered from whether you pray or not, or treated by something else that actually does the curing (even including the asinine "god helped me find my keys", which is a slap in the face of all who truly could be helped and who need to be helped if god is all powerful or all benevolent), always something small or slight of hand, never something obviously spectacular or impossible. Just because we want something doesn't mean it will come to us, we have to be proactive and take initiative to make it happen, or else some kind person will for and with us, and even then we might not get what we hope for. But let's not rationalize these inevitable failures with coping or appealing to mystery or a divine plan, but try to face it with acceptance and clarity of reality. Anyways that's enough of my pontificating rant I didnt expect that to turn into, but it's good practice I find to help me think through things and put my thoughts in order.