I purchased a Muse 3d laser engraver. it did not work when I received. After 10 days, FSL decided it is a bad unit. I asked RETURN for refund, they charged me for 2 way shipping & restocking fee for accessories. I lost almost $1200, without any mistake by myself. Lesson learned!!
I just viewed your MUSE video. I also viewed another about MUSE also. I am a 68 year old man looking to start my own little business and after viewing your video I will order mine tomorrow.! Thanks
My first ever experience with a laser was in a technical school. It was a 60 watt Universal laser engraver. I have been fascinated with them ever since. Now the technology is advanced enough where anyone can purchase a system. But which system to buy? There are many things to consider. Price, what to engrave, size, what comes with it, extras, shipping costs and one I think most of us think about is how to start a business engraving. One laser that is close to the universal which can engrave circular objects is the Epilog system. Both run using your computer and an Ethernet cable or other connections. The rotary attachment for the Epilog will only work with the Zing 24 not the 16. A difference of around $3,000. Next I looked at possibly getting a Glowforge. They run from under $3,000 to just under $6,000. Not bad for 3 laser engraving systems. I watched video after video on the things a Glowforge can do. Engraving many different types of material. Pretty much any system can engrave the same materials as any others. Except a fiber laser. The things they don’t tell you about the Glowforge is the entire engraving system is run using their proprietary app online and servers. One lightning storm later and you have a $6,000 doorstop. That is until they get their servers back online. Wow, if you’ve read this far then I must made a few good points. Also with the Glowforge, you can purchase projects from their online store. You can’t print from an application to your engraver. All must be done through the online app.......... Now I see this one engraving system called a Full Spectrum Laser. What does this thing have that the others do/don’t? (There are the Chinese K40 systems but just remember, you get what you pay for) This system has many different types of power levels and cutting beds. Muse and others I forgot about. The Muse is a system I could afford after a complete season as a professional Santa. These systems run from under $3,000 to just over $7,000 depending on what extras you purchase. I think all 3 of the Muse systems can use the rotary attachment. ROTARY ATTACHMENT!?!? Holy $#!¥!?! I need to come up with around $10,000 just to use one with the Epilog. Glowforge, fugetaboutit! They are not compatible with a rotary attachment. The Muse 3D or 2D with a riser and rotary attachment for about $895 will make any person complete for any laser engraving business. I’m not saying the first Muse is not the way to go but the other two come with the cooler and other things the first one doesn’t. The first one is just over $2,000 and perfect for anyone. (Rememberer the Glowforge starts around a little over $2,000 but you can only print using their app and servers) The Glowforge has 3 different power levels from 30 watt, 40 watt and 45 watt. The FSL systems are upgradable from starting at 40 watts to 45 watts for I think around $250. I will be interested in purchasing a Muse 2D or 3D after Christmas season should I earn enough this year. (Rotary attachment is used for engraving wine flutes for weddings, shot glasses, Pilsner glasses, other round objects). I found this video the most influential for FSL systems. I haven’t seen very many as I have been watching videos for the Glowforge. Rotary attachment!!! Thanks for the information. Santa Howard
I'm looking to buy a good laser very soon, but I have questions that have never been answered. One, what is the minimum/maximum amount of power needed to cut with one pass 1/2" of hardwood? And hardwood plywood? What dies the edges look like? Do they need to be sanded? How about 3D laser cutting for wood? What is needed to clean them up? Will all be able to etch/cut/carve round or cylindrical objects? This will help me to choose the right tools for my future projects. Also, what are the pros and cons of water vs air cooled?
Are there rotary attachments that can be added to this machine? I'm new to this industry and want to buy the right type of machine for my needs as I'll be adding it to my shop.
Aren't lasers awesome! We think so. We also think some of the upcoming videos are going to be awesome, there is some incredible technology out there available for makers.
I'm looking to buy a good laser very soon, but I have questions that have never been answered. One, what is the minimum/maximum amount of power needed to cut with one pass 1/2" of hardwood? And hardwood plywood? What dies the edges look like? Do they need to be sanded? How about 3D laser cutting for wood? What is needed to clean them up? Will all be able to etch/cut/carve round or cylindrical objects? This will help me to choose the right tools for my future projects. Also, what are the pros and cons of water vs air cooled? Also, I'm not familiar with laser/cad-cam etc. Ease if us3 is very important as well as ALL I need up front, vs buy one, discover I need software, then discover I need specialized equipment to clean up, etc. Please help, I am a serious buyer.
@@MikeSenese you know, now that you mention it, I have a stack of those magnetic badge blanks. The kind that you would use for name badges etc. I should totally rig up one of those.
@@CalebKraftmakes I've got the same deal, lost the clip to my wired lav mic a couple years ago. Been meaning to print a replacement but when you said magnet on the laser, it made me think of just that. I'll try too.
Does the laser cut through acrylic I know it’s a dumb question LOL. I remember you mentioned that it goes through quarter inch wood so acrylic should be no problem.
Great video, thank you! Odd question, I love the scroll panels on each side of your workbench. Do you have more pictures or more about them? They are beautiful!
Would you recommend muse 3D laser or ps24? How’s their software and is it easy friendly. Muse laser really are not popular, I’ve search so many place and only a handful made a video about it. Now I am hesitant but love the fact they have rotary attachment.
I just ordered mine. Can't wait. Would you do some videos to help with the power and speed settings on various materials? Lightburn has cut, engrave and image P&S so you can just select it for your plywood, acrylic etc. Also, glowforge has the QR code on it's materials. This is the only complaint I have with FS. I would really like at least a place to start with setting when I receive my machine. Thanks. Good video.
very similar. there are a few key differences in implementation, but the laser itself is pretty much the same. The glowforge has to be online, and has does its imaging a bit different. It also does the software differently.
@@CalebKraftmakes I really dislike my Glowforge. I hate the cloud based control of the machine and the software they use. I have had nothing but troubles with mine. Working on getting a refund and hope I can get financing for this model. Thanks for the video.
that is just the type of laser. you don't need additional c02 to run it. Other lasers are called diode or fiber. they're just different technologies. typically diodes are super low power, co2 are in the middle, and fiber are super high power.
I got chills when the protection plastic film was removed... :)
hahah, perfect! I saw it and new I had to capture the removal
I purchased a Muse 3d laser engraver. it did not work when I received. After 10 days, FSL decided it is a bad unit. I asked RETURN for refund, they charged me for 2 way shipping & restocking fee for accessories. I lost almost $1200, without any mistake by myself. Lesson learned!!
IF THEY DO VERY MUCH OF THAT, IT COULD RUIN THEIR BUSINESS. CUSTOMERS WILL TALK ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES.
Read the BBB complaints. This is not a “one off” report. I was going to buy one and then checked the BBB. I am glad I did.
That is terrible and may have made mind up.
I would have fought that tooth and nail.
@@bw162 is it bad? I am thinking of getting one
I just viewed your MUSE video. I also viewed another about MUSE also. I am a 68 year old man looking to start my own little business and after viewing your video I will order mine tomorrow.!
Thanks
My first ever experience with a laser was in a technical school. It was a 60 watt Universal laser engraver. I have been fascinated with them ever since. Now the technology is advanced enough where anyone can purchase a system. But which system to buy? There are many things to consider. Price, what to engrave, size, what comes with it, extras, shipping costs and one I think most of us think about is how to start a business engraving.
One laser that is close to the universal which can engrave circular objects is the Epilog system. Both run using your computer and an Ethernet cable or other connections. The rotary attachment for the Epilog will only work with the Zing 24 not the 16. A difference of around $3,000. Next I looked at possibly getting a Glowforge. They run from under $3,000 to just under $6,000. Not bad for 3 laser engraving systems. I watched video after video on the things a Glowforge can do. Engraving many different types of material. Pretty much any system can engrave the same materials as any others. Except a fiber laser. The things they don’t tell you about the Glowforge is the entire engraving system is run using their proprietary app online and servers. One lightning storm later and you have a $6,000 doorstop. That is until they get their servers back online.
Wow, if you’ve read this far then I must made a few good points. Also with the Glowforge, you can purchase projects from their online store. You can’t print from an application to your engraver. All must be done through the online app.......... Now I see this one engraving system called a Full Spectrum Laser. What does this thing have that the others do/don’t? (There are the Chinese K40 systems but just remember, you get what you pay for)
This system has many different types of power levels and cutting beds. Muse and others I forgot about. The Muse is a system I could afford after a complete season as a professional Santa. These systems run from under $3,000 to just over $7,000 depending on what extras you purchase. I think all 3 of the Muse systems can use the rotary attachment. ROTARY ATTACHMENT!?!? Holy $#!¥!?! I need to come up with around $10,000 just to use one with the Epilog. Glowforge, fugetaboutit! They are not compatible with a rotary attachment.
The Muse 3D or 2D with a riser and rotary attachment for about $895 will make any person complete for any laser engraving business. I’m not saying the first Muse is not the way to go but the other two come with the cooler and other things the first one doesn’t. The first one is just over $2,000 and perfect for anyone. (Rememberer the Glowforge starts around a little over $2,000 but you can only print using their app and servers) The Glowforge has 3 different power levels from 30 watt, 40 watt and 45 watt. The FSL systems are upgradable from starting at 40 watts to 45 watts for I think around $250. I will be interested in purchasing a Muse 2D or 3D after Christmas season should I earn enough this year. (Rotary attachment is used for engraving wine flutes for weddings, shot glasses, Pilsner glasses, other round objects).
I found this video the most influential for FSL systems. I haven’t seen very many as I have been watching videos for the Glowforge. Rotary attachment!!!
Thanks for the information.
Santa Howard
I'm looking to buy a good laser very soon, but I have questions that have never been answered. One, what is the minimum/maximum amount of power needed to cut with one pass 1/2" of hardwood? And hardwood plywood? What dies the edges look like? Do they need to be sanded? How about 3D laser cutting for wood? What is needed to clean them up? Will all be able to etch/cut/carve round or cylindrical objects? This will help me to choose the right tools for my future projects. Also, what are the pros and cons of water vs air cooled?
Can I engrave a 5/8" bamboo cutting board on this machine? The most I have done is 1/4"
Are there rotary attachments that can be added to this machine? I'm new to this industry and want to buy the right type of machine for my needs as I'll be adding it to my shop.
Aren't lasers awesome! We think so. We also think some of the upcoming videos are going to be awesome, there is some incredible technology out there available for makers.
I'm looking to buy a good laser very soon, but I have questions that have never been answered. One, what is the minimum/maximum amount of power needed to cut with one pass 1/2" of hardwood? And hardwood plywood? What dies the edges look like? Do they need to be sanded? How about 3D laser cutting for wood? What is needed to clean them up? Will all be able to etch/cut/carve round or cylindrical objects? This will help me to choose the right tools for my future projects. Also, what are the pros and cons of water vs air cooled? Also, I'm not familiar with laser/cad-cam etc. Ease if us3 is very important as well as ALL I need up front, vs buy one, discover I need software, then discover I need specialized equipment to clean up, etc. Please help, I am a serious buyer.
A lavalier mic would do wonders for the quality of your audio
agreed! I have one but the clip broke so it is attached to the back of the laser with a magnet. You can really tell when I'm closer!
@@CalebKraftmakes Glue a small magnet to the mic and use a tiny piece of metal (or second magnet) on your shirt. Should do the trick.
@@MikeSenese you know, now that you mention it, I have a stack of those magnetic badge blanks. The kind that you would use for name badges etc. I should totally rig up one of those.
@@CalebKraftmakes I've got the same deal, lost the clip to my wired lav mic a couple years ago. Been meaning to print a replacement but when you said magnet on the laser, it made me think of just that. I'll try too.
you are missing a link to the cutter itself.
Thanks. Very helpful. I've been debating between the Glowforge and the muse.
Have you decided on buying one of this machines yet? If you did how do you like it?
I’m at that time where I need to make that decision
Does the laser cut through acrylic I know it’s a dumb question LOL. I remember you mentioned that it goes through quarter inch wood so acrylic should be no problem.
How loud is it and can you do large projects as you can via Glowforge Pro?
Great video, thank you! Odd question, I love the scroll panels on each side of your workbench. Do you have more pictures or more about them? They are beautiful!
Would you recommend muse 3D laser or ps24? How’s their software and is it easy friendly. Muse laser really are not popular, I’ve search so many place and only a handful made a video about it. Now I am hesitant but love the fact they have rotary attachment.
Hi there! can you tell me what kind of air exhaust / fan you use? Is it one from FSLaser? Thanks!
Can I engrave on Silicon Rubber using the Muse ?
Thanks for the review !!
What exhausts system are you running? I have the same machine and a fsl 100 exhaust system but I cut it stinks really bad
Do you have plans for how to make that wooden book storage box
I just ordered mine. Can't wait. Would you do some videos to help with the power and speed settings on various materials? Lightburn has cut, engrave and image P&S so you can just select it for your plywood, acrylic etc. Also, glowforge has the QR code on it's materials. This is the only complaint I have with FS. I would really like at least a place to start with setting when I receive my machine. Thanks. Good video.
so you should have received it and used it by now. what do you think? I am considering one.
Josie - What is your opinion on the machine? Inquiring minds would like to know.
@@cliffart7398 I bought mine in May and have had nothing but problems!!! Seriously, I'm on the phone with support multiple times a day.
@@xfg45 I think it looks great, but mine has not worked consistently.
@@nicknoland9704 Don't buy it! Support is great, but it's not worth it when you have to email and call daily.
How does this compare to Glowforge?
very similar. there are a few key differences in implementation, but the laser itself is pretty much the same. The glowforge has to be online, and has does its imaging a bit different. It also does the software differently.
@@CalebKraftmakes I really dislike my Glowforge. I hate the cloud based control of the machine and the software they use. I have had nothing but troubles with mine. Working on getting a refund and hope I can get financing for this model. Thanks for the video.
@@blcain1028 I was thinking of getting glowforge or muse, glowforge seems like Cricut in the way it’s all online too.
Great info. I’m looking forward to owning one.
Did you end up getting one?
Hey, can this laser engraved glass? Mirror?
You've got this Dave Grohl vibe going on. I dig it!
Nice review, but that first item you show....the engraving is so charred, it's ridiculously bad and would require tons of sanding.
how to contact to laptop useing muse laser
PLEASE buy a microphone. Audio is way to echoey and low quality. Thanks!
Read the BBB complaints before you buy.
ps20. compared to this?
What is about CO2? Do you need a CO2 bottle to run it?
that is just the type of laser. you don't need additional c02 to run it. Other lasers are called diode or fiber. they're just different technologies. typically diodes are super low power, co2 are in the middle, and fiber are super high power.
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Wow. What a bad investment this is. Best thing you can do is forget about this cutter a.s.a.p.
Hi, so what do you recommend? I’m asking because I thought the Muse sounds good, so I’m just wondering.