I just want to note, I also cringe at the concept of being a "headphone expert". While I've heard and tested a LOT of stuff... I'd like to think the people I learn from and surround myself with are the real experts, and I'm just doing my best to bring what I learn to the community in videos like these.
Being an expert on headphones is a very good description of your technical knowledge. Having all of the measurement experience you have acquired is certainly meaningful. Still, at the end of the day, you are listening for different things than others may be, and that is a gap that neither knowledge nor experience can bridge. I can be certain that my life spent as a symphony musician will cause me to listen very differently than others on the same equipment. I wish there was an objective way to erase that difference, but I have never found one.
I very much identify with cringing at describing oneself as an expert, but also think that if there is such a thing you've put in the work to hold that title.
Also tell them that they need to be more selective with whom they let demo the HE-1. Hearing music through them and then going back to anything else is a leading cause of crippling depression among enthusiasts.
My first of the 600 series was the 600, way back in 1998, not long after coming to the market. I purchased it at a time when I was working a second shift job and I wanted to be able to shower and then listen to music while my wife slept. In 1999 we had a child and one day as he approached the age of one and was just about to master that walking thing, he managed to get his gloms on my headphones by holding himself up and removing them from the desktop where I had carelessly left them. I went to work that afternoon not realizing my error and at some point they found their way into the bottom of the dishwasher. And they got washed. It didn't work out so well! I didn't discover until the following morning because I didn't listen to music that night. I decided not to spend so much on the replacement pair so I bought the HD535, which I still have. I also own the 600 once again, as well as the 6XX and the 660S2, which is probably my favorite. I like the extra bump in the bass as well as an elevated treble because it seems to lift that veil of the 600/6XX/650. The 600 series is still a great line in my viewpoint. Maybe not the ultra high end TOTL type headphone it seemed to be back in 1997 but still a great headphone. BTW, I'm 63 years old and don't hear like I did in my 20's & 30's.
agreed, I keep wondering why people are leaving that out, especially since the original 660s is no longer made, and this is the part of that legacy. Also I don't think the 620 belongs in this group either. with both being closed back and 599 series design, it really is not the same animal. the 58x should have been in here.
I own the 600, 6xx and 490 pro and I find myself reaching for the 490 pro 90% of the time. The comfort is amazing, probably my favorite in my entire collection. Im a gamer and there really is no contest, they are hands down better than the 600 and 6xx. I also prefer the added bass vs the anemic bass on the 600 and 6xx. The extra sparkle in the treble can get fatiguing but I found that Oratory's EQ for the 490 pro is absolutely perfect (and I really dont like to EQ). That said, the 600s on my Darkvoice is phenomenal.
I don't think anyone said the S2 had a bass shelf. It has better bass extension than the 650, which the graph shows. And while it also shows the S2 doesn't extend flat, like a planar, I feel the sub-bass to a greater extent, subjectively, than on the 650, which is all mid-bass then nothing. It's a lot like the difference between a bookshelf speaker, and a full range tower to my ears.
@@jacobb8831 The 660S2 stopped me dead in my tracks and I love rap, does all genres well and the bass is as good as it gets without dropping serious $$ - Also check out the Harmonicdyne + Z-Reviews Eris (just dropped and it's main focus is bass)
I enjoyed this video, as I own most of these headphones and some that are not in this line up from Sennheiser, I would have liked to seen where the HD 560 fell in this line up, it is the only one here I don't have aside from the 660s2, I still have the 660s1 and never thought it necessary to upgrade. Thank you for the ridiculous amount of work you put into this video to give us all this information.
The timing on this couldn't be better. I've had the Sennheiser HD 569 closed-back's in my Amazon cart for the past day trying to make a decision between these and IEMs. 😅
@@Hijynx87 I'm trying the Tangzu Wan'er iem's to start. They're recommended by a few audiophile UA-camrs, and I wanna start cheap to see if I like the vibe.
@@residentzero For hundreds of dollars they better be amazing 🤣 I'll see how I like the cheaper pair first- if the ergonomics of wearing buds VS phones suits me, I'll consider something more high-end in the future. Edit: And yeah, the 569's I removed from my cart. $120 for an ancient pair of cans that I can't find any reviews for? I'll pass.
Well done, I was looking at the buying the 660S just today, Being in Brisbane, Australia, there is no where for me to go and try on these headphones, so I rely on this type of information, your timing was impeccable, I will stick with my entry level 560s for now. Can you please do a 500 series comparison video so I can at least feel good about the 560s...Joking
haven't been able to try a 600 series yet, but i absolutely adore my 560s. I took the short 3.5mm-2.5mm cable that came with my Bose QC45 and jammed it into the twist lock, completely fixed the cable issue if you find the stock one too long and bulky. Really interested in trying 490 pros and 600's
I understand and appreciate the difficulty choosing between the HD600 and the 490Pro. I've had similar challenges. While I will go for several months, thinking I prefer something else, I always come back to the HD600. In its price class, for the headphones I've listened to and loved, it's just better. I still listen to, and love, the others. If other prefer them, I support you. If you gave me a choice of one, the HD600 is my clear winner.
meanwhile on other channel and discussions HD660s2 is the A tier. It's really a subjective thing. It's almost watching and reading reviews is useless. Just gotta try it yourself
I'm writing this before the video ends so it may have been addressed, but why wouldn't the 660s be included? If the 650 and 6xx are included and they're literally the same headphone, why wouldn't the 660s be included? I'm not trying to start a war but since it's debut it's seemed like the 660's has been neglected or disrespected for what seems like no reason.
660S are some of the best before they did the 660S2, but his list make not much sense since he placed them in D tier, they are easily A tier (I didn’t try the 660S2 yet)
@@Emmbedd I have the 660S as my daily driver, but I need to EQ it to sound the way I enjoy it. It has this weird peakiness in the mids that can be EQd off, but it really annoys me.
@@mfdoom808 i see, I use them to produce music, mainly techno, and to me those are some of the best headphones to understand all the correct mids and relatively the highs. I think it’s an headphone studied for sound creation and EQ, if something sounds good on them it sounds good in any sound system.
@@Emmbedd That's very interesting, thanks for sharing. I do like it for electronic music too and for vocals, but I find the timbre a bit strange with distorted guitars and cymbals. EQing out the 5.5kHz peak and bringing it closer to the Oratory target makes it sound beautiful to me though. Nothing beats its midrange.
Baby Resolve was one helluva unexpected jump scare lol I personally have a preference for the 6XX over my 600 but it's amazing just how well the 600 series have held up throughout the years
Hmm, I've never looked at their pro stuff. The 490 Pro does fix a couple things I don't like about my 6XX, so I should probably look into them. It might be interesting doing a collection show of a lot of the less thought about headphones, ones people often don't look at and consider, things that might actually be a great fit or a fit for certain use cases, but they simply aren't part of the mainstream recommendations and reviews that are spammed everywhere. Think of it as a "for your consideration" episode picking a small collection of unique outliers that might be special in their own way but for whatever reason are just overlooked or maybe just in obscurity.
I don't get why people consider the 660S series not good. I own a HD650 and HD660S. On the 650 I can't stand the bloated bass and the complete butchering of soundstage where vocalists and instruments have no sense of space, and the bass is midbass focused that affects male vocals to sound boomy. In one word the 650 sounds stuffy compared to HD660S. Sure it has more treble but it still sounds darker and less clean than the HD660 because of the huge midbass bump. Calling the HD660S bad because it doesn't sound like a HD650 makes no sense. You wouldn't knock down the Sundaras for not sounding like a HD650 so why does the HD660S get a bad rep.
As a metalhead owning both the HD600 and HD660 S2, I have to say I was quite underwhelmed by the sound signature of the HD660 S2. I considered returning them, however I noticed they sound great for Jazz and Swing music. Considering metal typically is not bass heavy, it makes sense that it would not be a good match.
Probably not enough power for the HD650, the HD650 are just factually better. Better driver, better tuning, better build, better pads, better cable. Even a small good quality dongle should provide enough power for them to be listenable.
Hi Andrew, thanks for the video. I have two technical questions : - Does in-ear microphone measurements are more reliable than 5128 for our own head ? I am using in-ear microphones, and the bass on the 620s is, as you mentioned for you, particularly low for me. I tried to eq it as my HD600 measurement and also using sine sweep for treble because I can hear differences in treble peaks placements (probably due to the missing ear canal effect ?) but even like this the overall sound is quite miles away from HD600. So to what extent in-ear microphones and sine sweeps can be useful for us, could you do a video about it ? - Why does your new shaded area target curve show an unsymmetrical “dip” between 100 and 400 hz when this part is often filled by headphones like HD600 series ? Especially since it seems to me that this part gives to the music this warm/realistic timbre in voices and comfortable/normal amount of bass and once you drop it a little it sounds rapidly way more colder, spacious, harman tuning ? Which is not bad per se just why the unsymmetrical dip ? Thank you, cheers from France !
OMG the same story again and again , still remember the hate HD 600 had from 580 owners and after that 650 from 600 + 580 owners and after that 660s+2 from all the others :) Its the Only hobby that u have to NOT LISTEN if u want to enjoy it !!!
"If I couldn't EQ anything" is a great caveat. I've found the 490 Pro to be amazing with EQ. It is much more responsive to adjustments than the 650, for example. Very likely my best headphone with EQ.
What about the HD 58X Jubilee? I know it's not part numerically of the HD 6__ series, but you included the HD 490 Pro anyways, and the HD 58X Jubilee is more similar to the HD 6__ series than the HD 5__ series.
pretty nice review. the Senn HD600 series are pretty tough to beat until you get well north of their price point. I have an original pair of 600s I bought 20+ years ago, as well as a newer pair and two pairs of HD-650s. The key point to hearing them is using an amp that can properly drive their impedance load.
Wearing headphones is like wearing underwear. Everyone is different, everyone hears things different. Everyone has different rates of earwax buildup. Never share your headphones with others or the pads end up being different from what you are used to.
The original HD600 is/was the greatest bargain in headphone history.I have headphones which cost 8 times as much as the 600s,yet I still go back to the 600s from time to time
@@oktober-r8i Not true , it depends by your needs , if your needs is to drive a Sport Ferrari its better than an SUV , if your needs is to use a car day by day and move your family then its better than Ferrari . HD 600 are better for what they are good to do vocals timbre natural, 660s2 are way better on imaging , seperation, speed , soundstage , and bring instruments in the mix ... So it depends by what u want .
I stil keep my HD600, my first open headphone, even today side by side with HD 800S, Utopia, Hifiman HEK 1000 V2, Meze Liric. And with a Mojo 2 is a real lush.
I have 800S as well, and Utopia, and many others. Keep coming back to my beautiful HD600. Nothing does sweet highs like this gem of a headphone. Nothing.
Both of your comments are good to hear! A couple of weeks ago I bought brand new HD600's for $350 Australian which is about $240 US. I'm VERY happy with them and feel like I got a bargain. Haven't heard the 800s but they are a pair I'd love to get in the future when I'm more financial. 👍
Sometimes I wonder if sennheiser regrets that they nailed it back than with the hd600 :D I mean they came out 1997 and are still a benchmark for them and others. Beating that at a competitive price compared to the original aint easy, especially if you also take comfort, availability and serviceability into consideration.
very good review. thx for sharing this information. Here's my two cents: Had the 600 vs the 650 in comparison. The 650 sounds nice, a little bass extended, warm generally. The 600 also sounds good out of the box, but more balanced. I mainly bought them to check bass on my mixes. After testing them back and forth, the results with 600 always kept the dynamic better in place. So the 600 wins, especially for mastering.
People like me and some of u guys that we Have all of them , we know that 660S2 are better headphone, imaging , separation, smoothness , soundstage , speed is way better than 600 , 650 , BUT they are not so vocal focus like the others . U cant have it all.
I've owned the HD650's for something like 20 years now, same original pair. I replaced the foam sides and top headband, very easy to snap in new ones sold on the Sennheiser website. With that they're still like new and sound amazing. I change the cable a lot (balanced or unbalanced depending on where I'm using them), and no wear on the side connectors. House, Trance or Techno plus a SUBPAC leaves you in heaven!
I know this is probably going to get lost and forgotten, but I’m going to say it anyway. I just recently bought the HD 620s. As soon as I took it out of the box and put it on my head I immediately wanted to cry. They were the heaviest and most uncomfortable headphones I’ve ever worn. The sound quality was so mid. The bass was way overpowering and the vocals seemed almost drowned out. I tested several genres of music, tested video games. I was so depressed after my experience. I know he was comparing the 600 series in this video, however I have never owned any other 600 series before. So I will compare it to my HD 558’s. My sennheiser HD 558 headphones were the best headphones I’ve ever had! I could hear the vocals clearly! The instruments were excellent, I could hear every individual instrument being played! I loved those headphones so much until the right speaker blew. I retuned the 620s as soon as my local ups opened. I’m ashamed to have waisted my time and money on them to begin with.
I just received my pair. Maybe because I'm using them with a DAP, but my pair are a bit light in the bass region. Otherwise I think I like the way they sound. And I find them very comfortable. I was able to wear them for many hours with no issues. Maybe unit variation?
Got a pair of 660S2's for $440 which are coming in tomorrow, so I'm excited to try them out for a bit and see if I like them. First pair of open back headphones I'm getting so we'll see how it is. If not, I can always return them and put that money towards something else.
What amp portable or desktop would you recommend for the 600 or 650/6xx ? Since the impedance is 300 ohms. Thanks for your reply in advance. I watched the WHOLE video. It wasn't that painful. 😁
It is odd that Resolve says he doesn't hear a difference in the bass with the 660S2, I own the S2 and the HD600 and the S2 clearly has better quality bass than the 600 although the bass is still pretty weak and I still think the 600 is better overall.
I like the HD560s. It's probably the best bang for the buck HP right next to the 6XX. I liked the 560s more than the 490 Pro which is 2x the price. Especially for gaming. For the price and value it's easily A tier and knocking on the S Tier Door. 🌶 Spicy Take of the Day
Fully agree, the HD560s really is incredible, an overall awesome tuning of great bass extension, slightly forward yet balanced mids, and sparkly, airy treble, and a pretty solid technical performance all for the asking price. Cant go wrong with it for both gaming and music imo.
I absolutely love my 560s they are brilliant. I run them with eq off my fiio ka17. Pull back 4.5k by 3db.. push up 10k by 2db and create a progressive bass lift below 80hz. I honestly love them as much as my hd600's. I reach for the 560s when I require a more truer stage. Xx
When EQ is a thing, the minor differences in frequency response between all of these are so small as to be irrelevant. I've used 600, 6XX, 660S, 660S2. They can all be easily adjusted to sound just how I want.
6ooSII, baby! 660 has a WAY better soundstage... Amazing headphone for FPS gaming. Only talking about MUSIC performance doesn't justify everything that these headphones can do. 👎🏻 And why not show all the headphone graphs overlayed at once??
I just want to note, I also cringe at the concept of being a "headphone expert". While I've heard and tested a LOT of stuff... I'd like to think the people I learn from and surround myself with are the real experts, and I'm just doing my best to bring what I learn to the community in videos like these.
Nope. You're a headphone expert now, how does it feel to still feel like you know nothing about how audio even works
@@lain2236ad actually, that's one of the more interesting things about it.
Stop the impostor syndrome, Resolve
You've been doing this professionally for how many years now?
Being an expert on headphones is a very good description of your technical knowledge. Having all of the measurement experience you have acquired is certainly meaningful. Still, at the end of the day, you are listening for different things than others may be, and that is a gap that neither knowledge nor experience can bridge. I can be certain that my life spent as a symphony musician will cause me to listen very differently than others on the same equipment. I wish there was an objective way to erase that difference, but I have never found one.
I very much identify with cringing at describing oneself as an expert, but also think that if there is such a thing you've put in the work to hold that title.
Wow, thank you. This was a very thorough and informative video. We'll be passing this along to the rest of the team. 🏅
Your newer headphones are objectively worse than the 580/600/650.
Also tell them that they need to be more selective with whom they let demo the HE-1. Hearing music through them and then going back to anything else is a leading cause of crippling depression among enthusiasts.
Old mate senny
@@chills_tiny_mom 👋
@@Anti-FreedomD.P.R.ofSouthKorea funny how you use the word objectively when the entire hobby is subjective
My first of the 600 series was the 600, way back in 1998, not long after coming to the market. I purchased it at a time when I was working a second shift job and I wanted to be able to shower and then listen to music while my wife slept. In 1999 we had a child and one day as he approached the age of one and was just about to master that walking thing, he managed to get his gloms on my headphones by holding himself up and removing them from the desktop where I had carelessly left them. I went to work that afternoon not realizing my error and at some point they found their way into the bottom of the dishwasher. And they got washed. It didn't work out so well! I didn't discover until the following morning because I didn't listen to music that night. I decided not to spend so much on the replacement pair so I bought the HD535, which I still have. I also own the 600 once again, as well as the 6XX and the 660S2, which is probably my favorite. I like the extra bump in the bass as well as an elevated treble because it seems to lift that veil of the 600/6XX/650. The 600 series is still a great line in my viewpoint. Maybe not the ultra high end TOTL type headphone it seemed to be back in 1997 but still a great headphone. BTW, I'm 63 years old and don't hear like I did in my 20's & 30's.
Thank you for sharing this and for your loyalty 🙏
@@sennheisertell your team to make a new god tier headphone with unbeatable timbre
Hope your kid buys you a Sennheiser HE-1 to pay you back for that loss! They have to account for inflation hahah
@@azad-4286 HE 1 already exists
@@azad-4286 Noted. What else should we add to the list?
As an Australian long-time fan of your work, I appreciate the Aussie slang used at the start of the video haha (I'm aware it's a DankPods reference!)
"Your ol' mate Senny"
Dankpods is out there smiling ear to ear somewhere
This.
@@sennheiser I love the HD660S2. Fantastic imaging and superb natural timbre. Just wow
HD600 forever. Classics never die.
If HD490 Pro is included for whatever reason, HD58X should be in comparison too.
and 560s
Don't forget HD 580. The legend. Maybe for another video
and the 630vb ofc :D
@@TheHEADPHONEShow Man I love HD580
agreed, I keep wondering why people are leaving that out, especially since the original 660s is no longer made, and this is the part of that legacy. Also I don't think the 620 belongs in this group either. with both being closed back and 599 series design, it really is not the same animal. the 58x should have been in here.
I own the 600, 6xx and 490 pro and I find myself reaching for the 490 pro 90% of the time. The comfort is amazing, probably my favorite in my entire collection. Im a gamer and there really is no contest, they are hands down better than the 600 and 6xx. I also prefer the added bass vs the anemic bass on the 600 and 6xx. The extra sparkle in the treble can get fatiguing but I found that Oratory's EQ for the 490 pro is absolutely perfect (and I really dont like to EQ). That said, the 600s on my Darkvoice is phenomenal.
We need more gaming focused videos! I also want to hear more about the 490 Pro and how it compares to other stuff in the market for gaming.
I don't think anyone said the S2 had a bass shelf. It has better bass extension than the 650, which the graph shows. And while it also shows the S2 doesn't extend flat, like a planar, I feel the sub-bass to a greater extent, subjectively, than on the 650, which is all mid-bass then nothing. It's a lot like the difference between a bookshelf speaker, and a full range tower to my ears.
Do you think it’s a good starter into this hobby? I mostly listen to rap music
@@jacobb8831 The 660S2 stopped me dead in my tracks and I love rap, does all genres well and the bass is as good as it gets without dropping serious $$ - Also check out the Harmonicdyne + Z-Reviews Eris (just dropped and it's main focus is bass)
I enjoyed this video, as I own most of these headphones and some that are not in this line up from Sennheiser, I would have liked to seen where the HD 560 fell in this line up, it is the only one here I don't have aside from the 660s2, I still have the 660s1 and never thought it necessary to upgrade. Thank you for the ridiculous amount of work you put into this video to give us all this information.
One of the best Sennheiser reviews!
The timing on this couldn't be better.
I've had the Sennheiser HD 569 closed-back's in my Amazon cart for the past day trying to make a decision between these and IEMs. 😅
which iems? I honestly prefer iems, they can be a lot of fun, like hype 4 or ziigaat doscinco.
@@Hijynx87 I'm trying the Tangzu Wan'er iem's to start.
They're recommended by a few audiophile UA-camrs, and I wanna start cheap to see if I like the vibe.
Hype 4 is the Pinnacle of IEM's IMO. They're incredible
569 is not good at all. I love my 599 which this is the closed back version of, but the 569 doesn't do it. It's pretty bad
@@residentzero For hundreds of dollars they better be amazing 🤣
I'll see how I like the cheaper pair first- if the ergonomics of wearing buds VS phones suits me, I'll consider something more high-end in the future.
Edit: And yeah, the 569's I removed from my cart.
$120 for an ancient pair of cans that I can't find any reviews for? I'll pass.
We appreciate your effort, forced sense of humour and occasional smiles. Keep the measurements rolling! 🙌🏼 📽️
Well done, I was looking at the buying the 660S just today, Being in Brisbane, Australia, there is no where for me to go and try on these headphones, so I rely on this type of information, your timing was impeccable, I will stick with my entry level 560s for now. Can you please do a 500 series comparison video so I can at least feel good about the 560s...Joking
haven't been able to try a 600 series yet, but i absolutely adore my 560s. I took the short 3.5mm-2.5mm cable that came with my Bose QC45 and jammed it into the twist lock, completely fixed the cable issue if you find the stock one too long and bulky.
Really interested in trying 490 pros and 600's
I love my HD600
I understand and appreciate the difficulty choosing between the HD600 and the 490Pro. I've had similar challenges. While I will go for several months, thinking I prefer something else, I always come back to the HD600. In its price class, for the headphones I've listened to and loved, it's just better.
I still listen to, and love, the others. If other prefer them, I support you. If you gave me a choice of one, the HD600 is my clear winner.
meanwhile on other channel and discussions HD660s2 is the A tier. It's really a subjective thing. It's almost watching and reading reviews is useless. Just gotta try it yourself
I'm writing this before the video ends so it may have been addressed, but why wouldn't the 660s be included? If the 650 and 6xx are included and they're literally the same headphone, why wouldn't the 660s be included? I'm not trying to start a war but since it's debut it's seemed like the 660's has been neglected or disrespected for what seems like no reason.
It has been discontinued
660S are some of the best before they did the 660S2, but his list make not much sense since he placed them in D tier, they are easily A tier (I didn’t try the 660S2 yet)
@@Emmbedd I have the 660S as my daily driver, but I need to EQ it to sound the way I enjoy it. It has this weird peakiness in the mids that can be EQd off, but it really annoys me.
@@mfdoom808 i see, I use them to produce music, mainly techno, and to me those are some of the best headphones to understand all the correct mids and relatively the highs. I think it’s an headphone studied for sound creation and EQ, if something sounds good on them it sounds good in any sound system.
@@Emmbedd That's very interesting, thanks for sharing. I do like it for electronic music too and for vocals, but I find the timbre a bit strange with distorted guitars and cymbals. EQing out the 5.5kHz peak and bringing it closer to the Oratory target makes it sound beautiful to me though. Nothing beats its midrange.
Baby Resolve was one helluva unexpected jump scare lol
I personally have a preference for the 6XX over my 600 but it's amazing just how well the 600 series have held up throughout the years
Why not the 660s1????
Yeah! and for that measure, the 58X (at least we can still buy that new) too!
its literally, 660s2 with less bass
@@donnytramp6955 ah, you mean like a "comparison"...hmm
@@MichaelSidneyTimpson and the original hd 580 too, where the hd 6 series originated from
This video was awesome!!!😁
Hearing a lot of high-end frizzle/white noise in the background, most likely the RE20 that wasn't noise captured accurately enough.
lul, dankpods reference in the first 60 seconds. love to see it
I sit in a noisy environment so I ordered the 620s. I parametric equilize everything so I am hoping I can get it sounding really good.
Hmm, I've never looked at their pro stuff. The 490 Pro does fix a couple things I don't like about my 6XX, so I should probably look into them. It might be interesting doing a collection show of a lot of the less thought about headphones, ones people often don't look at and consider, things that might actually be a great fit or a fit for certain use cases, but they simply aren't part of the mainstream recommendations and reviews that are spammed everywhere. Think of it as a "for your consideration" episode picking a small collection of unique outliers that might be special in their own way but for whatever reason are just overlooked or maybe just in obscurity.
560s isnt even on the list? man i feel bad about purchasing it now
This was great, thank you, and well done!
I don't get why people consider the 660S series not good. I own a HD650 and HD660S. On the 650 I can't stand the bloated bass and the complete butchering of soundstage where vocalists and instruments have no sense of space, and the bass is midbass focused that affects male vocals to sound boomy. In one word the 650 sounds stuffy compared to HD660S. Sure it has more treble but it still sounds darker and less clean than the HD660 because of the huge midbass bump. Calling the HD660S bad because it doesn't sound like a HD650 makes no sense. You wouldn't knock down the Sundaras for not sounding like a HD650 so why does the HD660S get a bad rep.
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HD600>HD58X>HD560S>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HD6XX
It's just that it's not a 300ohm like others in their snobbism.
I also own it and I really don't want other from the series.
660s doesn't resolve fine details like the 650/600/6xx/660S2, in my experience w each HP
660s sounds like something mechanical, when others 600 line sounds more natural.
As a metalhead owning both the HD600 and HD660 S2, I have to say I was quite underwhelmed by the sound signature of the HD660 S2. I considered returning them, however I noticed they sound great for Jazz and Swing music. Considering metal typically is not bass heavy, it makes sense that it would not be a good match.
Where’s the 660s?
No 580 Precision, the progenitor of the 600 "Series?" No 58X Jubilee, which is still available new from Drop?
I wonder would HD58X jubilee fit here as "600" type headphone ?
600 chassis but 500 driver so no its more a Trap for noobs
Wow!...You do a lot of kool stuff dude...and yeah I like your content...same with that DMS guy...🤩👍
No S tier in the series so what would be S tier headphones regardless of brand? Planars?
HD 400 Pro is S Tier
best for overall music production? not looking for anything that has included bass or high treble. flat and clear
I added 1/4 inch of felt over %50 of the inside back of my had 600 and got a better low bass.
Where on the tier list would you put the Drop 58X?
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Why not include the HD 58x?
660s in d tier is wild
0:00 General Kenobi?
It's 'darker', not 'warmer' in the treble range. 'Warmer' pertains to the lower midrange.
I only have the HD650 and HD599. I prefer the HD599 for some reason. It's very good.
Then your ears are objectively broken.
Probably not enough power for the HD650, the HD650 are just factually better. Better driver, better tuning, better build, better pads, better cable. Even a small good quality dongle should provide enough power for them to be listenable.
No HD6 Mix?
Hi Andrew, thanks for the video. I have two technical questions :
- Does in-ear microphone measurements are more reliable than 5128 for our own head ? I am using in-ear microphones, and the bass on the 620s is, as you mentioned for you, particularly low for me. I tried to eq it as my HD600 measurement and also using sine sweep for treble because I can hear differences in treble peaks placements (probably due to the missing ear canal effect ?) but even like this the overall sound is quite miles away from HD600. So to what extent in-ear microphones and sine sweeps can be useful for us, could you do a video about it ?
- Why does your new shaded area target curve show an unsymmetrical “dip” between 100 and 400 hz when this part is often filled by headphones like HD600 series ? Especially since it seems to me that this part gives to the music this warm/realistic timbre in voices and comfortable/normal amount of bass and once you drop it a little it sounds rapidly way more colder, spacious, harman tuning ? Which is not bad per se just why the unsymmetrical dip ?
Thank you, cheers from France !
OMG the same story again and again , still remember the hate HD 600 had from 580 owners and after that 650 from 600 + 580 owners and after that 660s+2 from all the others :) Its the Only hobby that u have to NOT LISTEN if u want to enjoy it !!!
"If I couldn't EQ anything" is a great caveat. I've found the 490 Pro to be amazing with EQ. It is much more responsive to adjustments than the 650, for example. Very likely my best headphone with EQ.
What about the HD 58X Jubilee? I know it's not part numerically of the HD 6__ series, but you included the HD 490 Pro anyways, and the HD 58X Jubilee is more similar to the HD 6__ series than the HD 5__ series.
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This is the definitive 6 series review....
pretty nice review. the Senn HD600 series are pretty tough to beat until you get well north of their price point. I have an original pair of 600s I bought 20+ years ago, as well as a newer pair and two pairs of HD-650s. The key point to hearing them is using an amp that can properly drive their impedance load.
Damn should have sent you HD580 Jubilee for this!
It’s basically HD600’s dad
Send it to me 🥰
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I never would say that 6 series sounds clear, mids are good but highs not rly
The good old HD600 fix.
disappointed to see the 58x left out. otherwise great video
no cap fr fr. Giggity. :)
watched on 650s :)
Wearing headphones is like wearing underwear. Everyone is different, everyone hears things different. Everyone has different rates of earwax buildup. Never share your headphones with others or the pads end up being different from what you are used to.
HD 600 is my favorite. All the others (660S and 620S and 490 Pro) have not heard) sound too flat and boring to me.
HD600 is the flattest amongst them. Boring may be but that's to your taste.
@@Sand_1995 sure, but measurements disagree with your take.
@@maegnificant measurements literally say 600 has the flattest mids
@@Sand_1995 flat is not neutral
HD600 by a long shot! HD600 is even better than HD800 in most aspects. HD600 is the best headphone bargain ever.
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No Jupiter Audio Research versions?!? FAIL.
The original HD600 is/was the greatest bargain in headphone history.I have headphones which cost 8 times as much as the 600s,yet I still go back to the 600s from time to time
And what does that tell us again: a higher price is not always “better”.
How do you drive them? I am thinking about getting them for mixing.
@@oktober-r8i Not true , it depends by your needs , if your needs is to drive a Sport Ferrari its better than an SUV , if your needs is to use a car day by day and move your family then its better than Ferrari . HD 600 are better for what they are good to do vocals timbre natural, 660s2 are way better on imaging , seperation, speed , soundstage , and bring instruments in the mix ... So it depends by what u want .
@@Tripokaridos22 keep telling yourself that
@@Mishael_Agyei-Boamah Thanks I keep doing ..
I stil keep my HD600, my first open headphone, even today side by side with HD 800S, Utopia, Hifiman HEK 1000 V2, Meze Liric. And with a Mojo 2 is a real lush.
I have 800S as well, and Utopia, and many others. Keep coming back to my beautiful HD600. Nothing does sweet highs like this gem of a headphone. Nothing.
Both of your comments are good to hear! A couple of weeks ago I bought brand new HD600's for $350 Australian which is about $240 US. I'm VERY happy with them and feel like I got a bargain. Haven't heard the 800s but they are a pair I'd love to get in the future when I'm more financial. 👍
Excellently done Andrew. Interesting.
You have put a lot of work and thought into this. Thank you
Sometimes I wonder if sennheiser regrets that they nailed it back than with the hd600 :D I mean they came out 1997 and are still a benchmark for them and others. Beating that at a competitive price compared to the original aint easy, especially if you also take comfort, availability and serviceability into consideration.
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@@freyahEVE they're okay
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very good review. thx for sharing this information.
Here's my two cents: Had the 600 vs the 650 in comparison. The 650 sounds nice, a little bass extended, warm generally. The 600 also sounds good out of the box, but more balanced.
I mainly bought them to check bass on my mixes. After testing them back and forth, the results with 600 always kept the dynamic better in place. So the 600 wins, especially for mastering.
really enjoy these longer form and more thorough analysis, it’s hella long but provides a lot of good info
A - 660s2
B - 600
C - 650/6xx
660s2 performs for me better or as good as others in the $1000 range
I have/have had all of these and agree with your ranking!
People like me and some of u guys that we Have all of them , we know that 660S2 are better headphone, imaging , separation, smoothness , soundstage , speed is way better than 600 , 650 , BUT they are not so vocal focus like the others . U cant have it all.
Man I wasn't going to buy the HD490 Pro, but now that you've told me my opinion...
What always baffled me is why people say the 650 and 6xx are different. The model number on the back of the box says the 6xx are 650’s
They think they hear better than reality
I love my HD 660S2
Thnaks for the review! So the Hd 600 is still the king.
Always xx
I respect you but i dont agree at all with HD 660S2 being C tier. It is at least B tier. For me it's an easy A tier.
I've owned the HD650's for something like 20 years now, same original pair. I replaced the foam sides and top headband, very easy to snap in new ones sold on the Sennheiser website. With that they're still like new and sound amazing. I change the cable a lot (balanced or unbalanced depending on where I'm using them), and no wear on the side connectors. House, Trance or Techno plus a SUBPAC leaves you in heaven!
I know this is probably going to get lost and forgotten, but I’m going to say it anyway. I just recently bought the HD 620s. As soon as I took it out of the box and put it on my head I immediately wanted to cry. They were the heaviest and most uncomfortable headphones I’ve ever worn. The sound quality was so mid. The bass was way overpowering and the vocals seemed almost drowned out. I tested several genres of music, tested video games. I was so depressed after my experience. I know he was comparing the 600 series in this video, however I have never owned any other 600 series before. So I will compare it to my HD 558’s. My sennheiser HD 558 headphones were the best headphones I’ve ever had! I could hear the vocals clearly! The instruments were excellent, I could hear every individual instrument being played! I loved those headphones so much until the right speaker blew. I retuned the 620s as soon as my local ups opened. I’m ashamed to have waisted my time and money on them to begin with.
I just received my pair. Maybe because I'm using them with a DAP, but my pair are a bit light in the bass region. Otherwise I think I like the way they sound. And I find them very comfortable. I was able to wear them for many hours with no issues. Maybe unit variation?
Got a pair of 660S2's for $440 which are coming in tomorrow, so I'm excited to try them out for a bit and see if I like them. First pair of open back headphones I'm getting so we'll see how it is. If not, I can always return them and put that money towards something else.
Something is off with the 650 and 6xx comparison... they are literally the same headphone....
What amp portable or desktop would you recommend for the 600 or 650/6xx ? Since the impedance is 300 ohms. Thanks for your reply in advance.
I watched the WHOLE video. It wasn't that painful. 😁
It is odd that Resolve says he doesn't hear a difference in the bass with the 660S2, I own the S2 and the HD600 and the S2 clearly has better quality bass than the 600 although the bass is still pretty weak and I still think the 600 is better overall.
hes hatin' on the s2
I love my 6xx so much, such a great headphone. Nice profile on the lot!
Tried 600 650 and 58X... 58X with a mod I developed, by far the best ! Best bass extension, no bloat.
Please elaborate!
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I like the HD560s. It's probably the best bang for the buck HP right next to the 6XX. I liked the 560s more than the 490 Pro which is 2x the price. Especially for gaming. For the price and value it's easily A tier and knocking on the S Tier Door. 🌶 Spicy Take of the Day
Fully agree, the HD560s really is incredible, an overall awesome tuning of great bass extension, slightly forward yet balanced mids, and sparkly, airy treble, and a pretty solid technical performance all for the asking price. Cant go wrong with it for both gaming and music imo.
I have 58X (modified) and 6XX and I'd prefer 58X due to more universal
Agreed. I dislike my Drop HD6XX most of the time. The HD58X is so much better.
I absolutely love my 560s they are brilliant. I run them with eq off my fiio ka17. Pull back 4.5k by 3db.. push up 10k by 2db and create a progressive bass lift below 80hz. I honestly love them as much as my hd600's. I reach for the 560s when I require a more truer stage. Xx
Sen consumer and pro 'divisions' are not divisions any more. They are totally separate companies since original Sen sold their consumer division.
When EQ is a thing, the minor differences in frequency response between all of these are so small as to be irrelevant. I've used 600, 6XX, 660S, 660S2. They can all be easily adjusted to sound just how I want.
True...and all that truly matters is which one you feel would be most comfortable on your head for long listening sessions
Really interesting what’s your thoughts on Aune AR5000? They seem to be a real competitor to the 6-series.
Excellent video. You guys are the best around.
I have 3 different versions of the first 600 series headphones Hd580
a few missing headphones:
hd630vb, hd58x jubilee, hd580 jubilee and hd580 precision!
6ooSII, baby! 660 has a WAY better soundstage... Amazing headphone for FPS gaming. Only talking about MUSIC performance doesn't justify everything that these headphones can do. 👎🏻 And why not show all the headphone graphs overlayed at once??
No 58X?
about the pad point, i 100% agree - I remember changing my pads on my 6xx couple of years ago and that made a drastic change