Tom, GM's EPA document shows the total pack amp-hour capacity is 617 A-h. The pack nominal rating is about 355 volts, so that works out to 219-220 kWh total pack capacity.
Another great 70 mph test! Thanks again, Tom. With regards to the limited information GM software provides on battery state and consumption, are there OBD2 solutions you’d recommend?
The Bolt EV includes the SOC% in the myChevrolet app, which you can display on the infotainment screen with Apple CarPlay. It also provides a pretty accurate estimate of the SOC at your destination. Very handy for road trips.
Yes, but as a journalist that gets the vehicles on loan, that's not an option. Also, a know a lot of people (particularly older folks) that don't use Apple Carplay. This is basic necessary information and it's unforgivable that GM doesn't include it in the vehicle's display screens, IMO.
Aero mode automatically lowers the suspension when driving on the highway, there's no need for the driver to do anything - at least that's how it was explained to me.
@@NJturtlePower And almost DOUBLE the weight and as aerodynamic as a brick.. So Yes.. it is amazing considering all that. Not everything has to be the shape of a boring Tesla... Yes efficient.. Yes they are fast, and Yes.. they are Boring.
@@timmos184 For me it's more about the interior design and exterior design. They're just kind of boring.. Very comfortable interior, excellent drivetrain and battery technology. But just a bit soulless and unexciting in other ways.
@@kens97sto171 The right solution would be to build from the ground up so you don't need to have double the weight and battery pack, but they're too lazy. And yeah all less than 400 built so far this year....impressive GM! They'll surely overtake Tesla in volumes by 2025 as CEO Mary Barra claims. haha I'll take bets all day on that delusional babble.
Thanks Tom, I enjoyed watching the insanity of the hummer EV. My EV, 2020 Hyundai Ioniq with a 38 KW battery pack, is one of the most efficient EVs averaging 5 miles per KW and lightest at 3500 lbs, so it was fun to watch its opposite. I was impressed that it beat it's EPA combined range, I wonder what its range would be at city speeds. I hope you do a 0 to 100% charge video., that will be fun. The hummer EV is defiantly silly but what an amazing engineering piece.
Tom, I am not sure if it might help you, but on my 2017 Bolt, you can program the radio to shut off ("low power mode" lol) at a few different SoC levels. IIRC, I think you can set it to 10%, 4%, 2%, and 1% SoC in the radio settings menu. It will pop up a message on the screen at that SoC you've selected, letting you know you've arrived at that SoC, and if you want to continue with the radio power-down at that point. May be helpful for you on other GM products, just a suggestion.
@@GregHassler The point of my comment was not to help save energy. The Bolt and the Hummer both have the issue of not showing the user any specific SoC% once it drops below a certain level, just displaying "LOW" and turning the gauge orange. It is not useful in helping you understand how much more juice you have. The radio shut down warning is able to be set for a SoC below that which the dash will show you, which can be useful to help the user know where the SoC once the gauge has gone to orange and has become otherwise unhelpful.
This battery is ELEVEN times the size of a RAV4 Prime's. If you divvied the rare earth metals up amongst 11 RAVs, all those people would theoretically have 15,000 miles annually of all EV driving (42 miles x 365 days). Is this Hummer more "green" than nearly a dozen other people having primarily "zero emission" ability and infinite range on long trips? I obviously don't get the hatred for PHEV & Range Extender vs the enormous battery BEV obsession.
@@LearningFast sometimes i dont need the fastest charging if we are stopping to eat at the same time. why put excess strain on the pack heating if i dont want to?
@@laloajuria4678 it only preheats when you are stopping at a Supercharger for fast charging. It won’t do it if you aren’t fast charging. There is no need to disable preconditioning in a Tesla. It only does it when it is necessary.
@@mybro727 the point is that you would be wrong to do that in a Tesla. It only enables it when you navigate to a Supercharger and you REALLY need to preheat the battery if you are at a Supercharger. They don’t give you that option because that is a bad idea. If you aren’t going to a Supercharger then don’t navigate there. Navigate to somewhere else.
I get that some ppl will love this but I didn't understand the gas hummer and I don't understand this one either. However, as far as getting gas guzzlers off the road, I guess the more of these that sell the better
It has battery preconditioning out of the gate, as every EV should, but not all of them do. I got it in a OTA update, which they also should do. Wife has a recall on the Bolt for a software update related to advanced diagnostics for cells, and fixing charging connection issues, which we haven't experienced, and don't want to. We have to take it to a dealer. I'm impressed by the 70mph range of this beast. Even though this thing isn't for towing, anybody that drives one of these in snow should carry a towing strap just in case their fellow man ends up in a ditch.
Cool vehicle, not very useful in the real world, but that doesn’t stop people with tons of cash to burn. The range is nice but it comes at a substantial cost. 212kwh of battery in something with the efficiency of your F150 Lightning would mean nearly 450 miles of range. With the efficiency of my Ioniq5, it would be nearly 700 miles of range. So, I think it’s important to put that in perspective. It’s kind of like buses that can go 1000 miles without stopping, but they have 200 gallons of fuel capacity. They aren’t getting good efficiency, they just carry around a lot of energy capacity. The cost per mile is insane. A couple of thoughts. Efficiency has very little to do with motor power output in EVs. Tesla shows this repeatedly, as do some others. Efficiency has more to do with aerodynamics and rolling resistance. The Hummer EV has huge off-road tires and the aerodynamics of a brick, so the efficiency is going to be awful. Also, towing and payload capacity is mostly about suspension design and tire load capacity. Things that are designed for off road use typically have softer suspension. Softer suspension means lower load capacity. Off road tires are less suited to heavy loads, so less weight can be carried. Same thing happens with the Ram TRX. Also consider that this thing already weighs 9000lbs. The tires already have to support that weight. Many ICE trucks at that weight would have dual rear wheels. This doesn’t.
Great range test.. I agree with you about the lack of a mileage number at the bottom of the pack. But I think most regular customers would prefer a mile number for range rather than percent... Its more accurate relative to how for they can drive than percent. Be nice to have both. The Bolt EV does have a nice display that shows range as a low and high and estimated actual range.. AND shows the trend up or down.. With some practice you can run that car VERY low and still get to your charger.
We're definitely not saying they should remove the estimated range, just offer both and let the customer configure the display to show what they want it to show- pretty easy to do.
@@InsideEVsUS I agree with you both should be an option. But I think for the average consumer seeing how many miles you have left is more useful than a percentage. Percentage doesn't really tell you how far you can drive. But really it'd be nice just to show both side by side
Great video! I really appreciate your meticulous notes and commentary relating to your range test and sharing your thoughts as they relate to every aspect of energy use while testing. I really like all things electric, i like this vehicle, as well as the aptera motors electric vehicle. two very different vehicles but both, electrically propelled, which is one of my favorite propulsion systems, in addition to electrogravitic propulsion(study john searl, ralph ring, otis t carr, thomas townsend brown) i’m looking forward to study of all of your videos and to continue to learn about efficient propulsion systems for transportation (present and future/experimental)
A solution for displaying SOC % on GM vehicles is to use a smart phone based ODB scan device, like Torque Pro. I believe your colleague Kyle Conner does this with some of his range reviews. Also many EV makers, including GM, have two SOC values. Real SOC and Gauge SOC. Torque should be able to show both of these.
Yes, I know about those. I'm resisting using a scanner. I want to do my range and charging tests from the standpoint of the consumer. If people need to buy ODB readers and scan their cars to understand how they work then the OME has failed, IMO.
Nice review. Over 200kw and only 329 miles and 1.6 miles per Kw is the modern day 13 miles per gallon or so. Oh man, the Bolt winding up on the “flatbed of shame” is an EV nightmare.
Yes that's true, but take someone living in Utah for example. This Hummer EV would cost only $23-24 to charge from 0-100% because Utah's electricity rates are only $0.11kw. So it's kind of like those gas guzzlers prior to 1973. Sure they only got 12MPG, but who cares when you can fill up back then for maybe $10. Unfortunately for me, I live in New England, which has one of the highest rates of electricity. So a full charge would be around $60-70 here. That's why I am planning to get solar in the near future to offset some if not all of NE electric tax.
@@MrNarutokun406 Not only that, but for any device that uses lithium batteries (cars, ebikes, scooters, laptops, phones, etc), it's wise to buy the biggest battery pack available and - keep the usage range between 20-80% as much as possible. - keep the battery closest to 50% when not in use for a long period of time. You will greatly extend the life of your battery by doing so while at the same time not really sacrifice your daily needs for capacity. I've got a 3 year old ebike that has no visible signs of battery degradation because of my strict charging regiment. If the device doesn't have built in battery controls, you can buy an electrical outlet timer and program it to charge for a certain period of time and then shut off.
This was a great test! That truck is a monster, makes no sense whatsoever, but that's kinda the point. This would make such a great weekend beater for a certain kind of guy, and I know several here in Texas who fit that bill.
Makes sense that pure highway driving at a steady speed delivered mileage in excess of the EPA combined city/highway mileage rating. Imagine the kwh sucked down by the hummer accelerating and deaccelerating around town, or climbing any sort of topography. The Hummer will fare considerably worse driven anywhere but a flat highway.
Actually highway is one of the worst case situations for an EV. Especially a Hummer EV with that higher aerodynamic drag. In town this will get a lot more range.
I didn't miss it. It doesn't allow you to view that information from the last recharge, just the "current drive". I stopped halfway to use the bathroom and reset the cameras. When I turned the vehicle back on, it reset the kWh consumption for the trip. The Bolt holds that info until the next recharge which I expected the Hummer to do, but it doesn't.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney yeah, I would have warned you of that if you had asked. I expected it to be like the Bolt too. Longest single drive we did in the Hummer was back in March with it below freezing and snowing out. 242.8 miles used 191 kWh from 100 to 11%. Stuck to the speed limit because we were hoping to make it all the way to that charging station. Furthest I've ever driven in an EV without a stop.
I don't think there's a single car that passes me on the right in the video unless I missed something. I always drive in the right lane unless the vehicles there are going slower than 70 mph, which does happen. But I then get back into the right lane as soon as it's safe to do so.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Sorry, know you in the right lane. Was just in MI and the only time I've been passed on the shoulder, even though I was 10 over the limit on I94 just east US 23. Happened twice!
9:06 - see "Tommy Molo" from the lowly Bolt to the "top o' the food chain" Hummer you find NO numeric SOC on the dash so what that means is "get the signal". like I've mentioned previously, GM are in fact sending consumers a message that if we're referencing SOC as a metric for driving, then like the "cool kids" and Internet memes state WE'RE DOING IT WRONG. hint: the engineers know our behavior of referencing Battery Percentage (%) is simply a carryover from Smartphones, however Smartphones are NOT Automobiles (not even BEV ones) and they seek to BREAK us of that habit. keep in mind, it's still "Early Days" for the Auto Industry so once the EV market matures and the "operating intelligence" of consumers increases in relation to EV's (hopefully) they will likely add that feature in later models. of course something else to keep in mind is they just made a deal to sell 175,000 units into a rental fleet (ref: Hertz) over the next 5 years, so NO WAY IN HELL were they ever going to make the mistake of including that feature "natively" at this point. #NOTTHEIRFIRSTRODEO
Too bad you can't hook up to your house for emergency power. This thing could light up an entire neighbourhood. Nice to dream about, I'd love to see a Toyota FJ EV. A smaller version of this.
Hey Tom, can I ask a fair question? I understand that your Ford is lighter than this truck, but it’s become a norm for people to criticize the weight and performance of this vehicle as if it’s the only thing heavy and fast on the road. It’s certainly unprecedented and the first of its kind so I sorta get some of it. My question is why aren’t these concerns ever brought up while reviewing the Ford Lightning with 800 hp, 0-60 in 4.5 secs, and over 6,000 lbs? Would you feel better in the line of a Ford Lightning traveling at 70 mph in the event of a head on collision crash? How about a Tesla Model X Plaid? I don’t think either would feel very good. Why do people pretend that the GMC Hummer is the only fast and heavy vehicle on American road when it isn’t?
I don't know about crashes, but TFL Trucks channel joked that the Hummer EV won't be able to drive on some old bridges due to its sub 9000lb weight limit.
My 2001 Chevrolet silerado 2500hd can go well over 400 miles and do a less than 3 minutes to refill while you are sitting to charge good luck with that 😮
That efficiency is comically bad. I understand that people who drive it don't care, but it'll still be way better than gas when charging at home. My vehicle gets about 5mi/kWh so it blows my mind to see something in the 1's.
It's not shocking how efficient the HUMMER EV pickup is (or isn't), blame the max off-roading tires or the front end aerodynamics, let alone its weight, as for why it doesn't have higher towing and payload numbers, again blame its purpose design for max off-roading capabilities, (yes, we know the upcoming Silverado EV will be a better EV pickup than the HUMMER EV pickup, but HUMMER is GM's halo off-roading EV models), over 340+ mile range at 70 mph isn't bad at all for what the HUMMER EV pickup is and suggests that a 400-mile range Silverado EV is doable, side note, should HUMMER / GM offer different tire packages, instead of just the MT (Off-Road Maximum Traction) tires maybe all-terrain tires or even all-season tires for those that will never off-road it, the second thing, why has HUMMER not shown a small HUMMER EV SUV, think at least a midsize model and maybe even a compact as well
It would be interesting to see what a proper set of 8-lug wheels with skinny highway tires would do for this thing's range. These Goodyears are 35" tall and 12" wide with off-road tread, which thwacks out a good chunk of range. Throw on a set of skinny 35" commercial highway truck tires and repeat this test, and 400 miles probably would be within reach.
Thing thing is that size and plays are going to be 100 lbs when combined with a wheel or more. Our 2005 Hummer H2 has 315/70-17 and they weigh about 100 lbs and are a best to lift up to the hub when rotating!
Im going to start a buisness that contracts with AAA and just have a flat bed pickup with a diesel generator to come charge people who run out of power on the side of the road.
1.6 mile per kWh? 😂 So in true Hummer fashion, it's an extremely wasteful vehicle. My Bolt EUV gets about 3.4 kWh at 70 MPH. So that's less than 50%. So just like gas-powered vehicles, in order for a bigger 4x4 truck to go the same distance as a smaller car, you need more the double the size of the gas tank.
The Bolt is hardly anything to be proud of....compliance car vs performance based SUV/Truck...totally different animal. Main reason I got into EV's was for the performance and the Bolt has none of that. Tesla is KING or the performance/efficiency balance.
@@NJturtlePower It's all about what you get for your money. For how much the Bolt EV and EUV costs, they are extremely impressive. I get wanting a performance car or even something like a Jeep or other similar off-roaders. But a Hummer is just a silly waste, even in EV form.
They did watch the video On UA-cam Hummer EV Revolution they built this to get the people that do like Electric vehicles to convince him the power of electrical vehicles and what they can accomplish
little peice of tech advice for when you talk to GM, the terms are "rounding" as you know, which takes 1.55 and turns it into 1.6, but the other word which you couldn't find in the video is "concatenate" which would make 1.55 into 1.5, it chops off anything up until the number displayed. A very common phrase for people in coding anytime you're dealing with int and double variables.
But the cyber truck.... Wait... Is it even out yet? How many millions of dollars have they scammed from customers for a truck that hasn't even been fully designed?
Q1: But the cyber truck.... Wait... Is it even out yet? A1: nope. Q2: How many millions of dollars have they scammed from customers for a truck that hasn't even been fully designed? A2: "$100 Billion Dollars..." (Dr. Evil voice)
Gm has outdone themselves with the most ridiculous use of engineering capabilities ever. they couldve made 3 smaller more efficient EVS with that amount of materials but theyre not about making useful products to help people. Theyre banking on clowns looking for attention to overspend on a useless tank that has no real purpose on the road. I have zero respect for GM for their track record of lying so Im biased.
This makes the money for the bolt,the least expensive Ev sold in US. Most affordable things are available because of the ridicules things wealthy people are willing to spend money on. They are doing it correctly, target the people with money first to pay for the new technology
Expensive? It would cost me $31 to charge at home. For $31 it will go over 340 miles at highway speeds, maybe 290-300 in the winter. What full size gas/diesel truck can to that? Plus go 0-60 in 3 seconds?
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney If you look closely, I never compared the truck to any other vehicle, combustion or ev. $31 is expensive to only cover that many miles, for an ev. The point is, that thing is terribly inefficient. With that said, if I had money to throw away, I'd have one of these.
And? Instead compare this to a ram trx a truck which IS cross shopped against something like this. A truck which is slower, also has 35s. But the trx gets single digit average mpg in every single long term review I've seen on it. And 5mpg or less when towing a serious load. 🤣 This gets a legit 45-50+mpge and only has the equivalent to less than 7 gallons of gas or about 6 gallons of diesel in total onboard energy. I say great freaking job team gm. This will steal sales from other bro dozers burning 1000+gallons or fuel each year. 👍🏻
@@4literv6 Exactly you’d think a Tesla fanboy would know why a vehicle like this is appealing to some folks but of course their animosity shines through thanks to the absence of any Cybertruck being on the market competing against it. So they *troll* and settle for comparing the world’s first supertruck to a Tesla Model Y’s “efficiency”.😂
@@mybro727 Man, you guys are sensitive. The entire point of the video was a 70mph range test on flat, boring, smooth unobstructed pavement. To be impressed that it takes more than 200kWh of battery and more that 100k to accomplish that mission is laughable. When you get yours please post a video of it sitting in your driveway taking 20hrs to charge.
The more i see videos of this beast, the more i think its the dumbest EV ever built. People paying $200K for these..well you know what they say about a fool and his money.
The inefficiencies on the highway aren’t actually due to the weight of the Hummer. The fact that it is shaped like a house is why it is so inefficient at constant highway speeds. If you were doing this test at a constant 30 mph with no elevation change the efficiency would be much more reasonable. Nobody would ever drive this vehicle like that so it would be meaningless test.
Gets prius level mpge, has similar off road ability as a ram trx, can out accelerate some Ferraris and Lamborghinis. If anything it should get a credit annually for displacing a bro dozer which would've used 800-1200+gallons of fuel each year instead. 😎
@@QuietStormX That's only turned on if you set a DC fast charge station in the NAV. If you're just driving from point A to point B you wouldn't need preconditioning. Battery Preconditioning wold likely shave 3-4 miles from the range test, so have at it.
Nice. In mixed use this is why many are seeing 400 miles or so range estimates. Picking up my Hummer EV next week!
Tom, GM's EPA document shows the total pack amp-hour capacity is 617 A-h. The pack nominal rating is about 355 volts, so that works out to 219-220 kWh total pack capacity.
This is going to be an interesting one. I imagine the range will be reasonable. The efficiency will NOT be reasonable. That battery is GIGANTIC!
You were right!
Still cheaper to drive than a comparable ice vehicle. @ 15cents per kilowatt hour, that's $31 bucks to fill up.
Wow. I’m very surprised. Go GM. I’m sure they’re buyers out there that will love the Hummer EV. Thanks for the range test. Great review.
Incredible range, what a beast. I have mine coming before January.
Got my X2 coming in the Fall of 23' , Rob. The lease is up on my LC 500 a year from now. I can't wait.
Another great 70 mph test! Thanks again, Tom.
With regards to the limited information GM software provides on battery state and consumption, are there OBD2 solutions you’d recommend?
The Bolt EV includes the SOC% in the myChevrolet app, which you can display on the infotainment screen with Apple CarPlay. It also provides a pretty accurate estimate of the SOC at your destination. Very handy for road trips.
Yes, but as a journalist that gets the vehicles on loan, that's not an option. Also, a know a lot of people (particularly older folks) that don't use Apple Carplay. This is basic necessary information and it's unforgivable that GM doesn't include it in the vehicle's display screens, IMO.
👍🏽 Tom, great video content as always ... Thank you ... Were you able to lower the suspension on your test❓
Aero mode automatically lowers the suspension when driving on the highway, there's no need for the driver to do anything - at least that's how it was explained to me.
The GM trolls aren’t gonna like this very much…amazing engineering here! GMC put the world on notice with this one! 🔥
Not really amazing considering it has a battery pack about DOUBLE the capacity everything else on the road!
@@NJturtlePower
And almost DOUBLE the weight and as aerodynamic as a brick..
So Yes.. it is amazing considering all that.
Not everything has to be the shape of a boring Tesla... Yes efficient.. Yes they are fast, and Yes.. they are Boring.
@@kens97sto171 Fast and efficient does sound boring...
@@timmos184
For me it's more about the interior design and exterior design. They're just kind of boring..
Very comfortable interior, excellent drivetrain and battery technology. But just a bit soulless and unexciting in other ways.
@@kens97sto171 The right solution would be to build from the ground up so you don't need to have double the weight and battery pack, but they're too lazy. And yeah all less than 400 built so far this year....impressive GM! They'll surely overtake Tesla in volumes by 2025 as CEO Mary Barra claims. haha I'll take bets all day on that delusional babble.
Thanks Tom, I enjoyed watching the insanity of the hummer EV. My EV, 2020 Hyundai Ioniq with a 38 KW battery pack, is one of the most efficient EVs averaging 5 miles per KW and lightest at 3500 lbs, so it was fun to watch its opposite. I was impressed that it beat it's EPA combined range, I wonder what its range would be at city speeds. I hope you do a 0 to 100% charge video., that will be fun. The hummer EV is defiantly silly but what an amazing engineering piece.
I tried to do the 0-100% recording, but the Hummer wasn't up to it.
@@InsideEVsUS what is its Max charging speed, with a 200 plus kilowatt battery it's got to be an 800 volt system right?
I like 2020 Ioniq EV 38 kWh ! They should not have discontinued it. Let's hope the Ioniq 6 has similar efficiency.
@@soumilkadam9310 I agree it does everything that I asked you to do. I only wish it charged a little faster
Tom, I am not sure if it might help you, but on my 2017 Bolt, you can program the radio to shut off ("low power mode" lol) at a few different SoC levels. IIRC, I think you can set it to 10%, 4%, 2%, and 1% SoC in the radio settings menu. It will pop up a message on the screen at that SoC you've selected, letting you know you've arrived at that SoC, and if you want to continue with the radio power-down at that point. May be helpful for you on other GM products, just a suggestion.
Turning off the radio has exactly 0.000001% effect on range. Probably less on a Hummer.
@@GregHassler The point of my comment was not to help save energy. The Bolt and the Hummer both have the issue of not showing the user any specific SoC% once it drops below a certain level, just displaying "LOW" and turning the gauge orange. It is not useful in helping you understand how much more juice you have. The radio shut down warning is able to be set for a SoC below that which the dash will show you, which can be useful to help the user know where the SoC once the gauge has gone to orange and has become otherwise unhelpful.
Congrats on saying Ypsilanti properly. You're literally the first UA-camr not from Michigan to pull that off (that I've seen anyway) lol
LOL. I was worried about that
This battery is ELEVEN times the size of a RAV4 Prime's.
If you divvied the rare earth metals up amongst 11 RAVs, all those people would theoretically have 15,000 miles annually of all EV driving (42 miles x 365 days).
Is this Hummer more "green" than nearly a dozen other people having primarily "zero emission" ability and infinite range on long trips?
I obviously don't get the hatred for PHEV & Range Extender vs the enormous battery BEV obsession.
Wait until you see rechargeable semi tractor trailers and boats!
that stop preconditioning button is literally what teslas need.
Why? The Tesla does the preconditioning fairly efficiently.
@@LearningFast sometimes i dont need the fastest charging if we are stopping to eat at the same time. why put excess strain on the pack heating if i dont want to?
@@laloajuria4678 it only preheats when you are stopping at a Supercharger for fast charging. It won’t do it if you aren’t fast charging. There is no need to disable preconditioning in a Tesla. It only does it when it is necessary.
@@LearningFast You still don’t have the option to disable it if you want to. I think that was the point; providing customers the *option.*
@@mybro727 the point is that you would be wrong to do that in a Tesla. It only enables it when you navigate to a Supercharger and you REALLY need to preheat the battery if you are at a Supercharger. They don’t give you that option because that is a bad idea. If you aren’t going to a Supercharger then don’t navigate there. Navigate to somewhere else.
Wow, 9,000 lbs! No wonder it's priced for $110,000, you're paying for 2.5 times for the average weight of an average car
I get that some ppl will love this but I didn't understand the gas hummer and I don't understand this one either. However, as far as getting gas guzzlers off the road, I guess the more of these that sell the better
At least it’s not guzzling gas. It’s a monstrous EV and while it’s not my style, I do love the looks. Thanks Tom.
It's like an electricity guzzler !
It has battery preconditioning out of the gate, as every EV should, but not all of them do. I got it in a OTA update, which they also should do. Wife has a recall on the Bolt for a software update related to advanced diagnostics for cells, and fixing charging connection issues, which we haven't experienced, and don't want to. We have to take it to a dealer. I'm impressed by the 70mph range of this beast. Even though this thing isn't for towing, anybody that drives one of these in snow should carry a towing strap just in case their fellow man ends up in a ditch.
Cool vehicle, not very useful in the real world, but that doesn’t stop people with tons of cash to burn. The range is nice but it comes at a substantial cost. 212kwh of battery in something with the efficiency of your F150 Lightning would mean nearly 450 miles of range. With the efficiency of my Ioniq5, it would be nearly 700 miles of range. So, I think it’s important to put that in perspective. It’s kind of like buses that can go 1000 miles without stopping, but they have 200 gallons of fuel capacity. They aren’t getting good efficiency, they just carry around a lot of energy capacity. The cost per mile is insane.
A couple of thoughts. Efficiency has very little to do with motor power output in EVs. Tesla shows this repeatedly, as do some others. Efficiency has more to do with aerodynamics and rolling resistance. The Hummer EV has huge off-road tires and the aerodynamics of a brick, so the efficiency is going to be awful.
Also, towing and payload capacity is mostly about suspension design and tire load capacity. Things that are designed for off road use typically have softer suspension. Softer suspension means lower load capacity. Off road tires are less suited to heavy loads, so less weight can be carried. Same thing happens with the Ram TRX. Also consider that this thing already weighs 9000lbs. The tires already have to support that weight. Many ICE trucks at that weight would have dual rear wheels. This doesn’t.
Yes you pronounced Ypsilanti correctly.
The mychevrolet app shows battery percentage and is pretty accurate down to 0.
Great result!
Let’s get real, this is a planet killer, well done GM. Go USA!!
Great range test.. I agree with you about the lack of a mileage number at the bottom of the pack. But I think most regular customers would prefer a mile number for range rather than percent... Its more accurate relative to how for they can drive than percent. Be nice to have both.
The Bolt EV does have a nice display that shows range as a low and high and estimated actual range.. AND shows the trend up or down.. With some practice you can run that car VERY low and still get to your charger.
We're definitely not saying they should remove the estimated range, just offer both and let the customer configure the display to show what they want it to show- pretty easy to do.
@@InsideEVsUS
I agree with you both should be an option.
But I think for the average consumer seeing how many miles you have left is more useful than a percentage. Percentage doesn't really tell you how far you can drive. But really it'd be nice just to show both side by side
Great video! I really appreciate your meticulous notes and commentary relating to your range test and sharing your thoughts as they relate to every aspect of energy use while testing. I really like all things electric, i like this vehicle, as well as the aptera motors electric vehicle. two very different vehicles but both, electrically propelled, which is one of my favorite propulsion systems, in addition to electrogravitic propulsion(study john searl, ralph ring, otis t carr, thomas townsend brown)
i’m looking forward to study of all of your videos and to continue to learn about efficient propulsion systems for transportation (present and future/experimental)
Very impressive result!
Nice Range test, I enjoyed this!
A solution for displaying SOC % on GM vehicles is to use a smart phone based ODB scan device, like Torque Pro. I believe your colleague Kyle Conner does this with some of his range reviews. Also many EV makers, including GM, have two SOC values. Real SOC and Gauge SOC. Torque should be able to show both of these.
Yes, I know about those. I'm resisting using a scanner. I want to do my range and charging tests from the standpoint of the consumer. If people need to buy ODB readers and scan their cars to understand how they work then the OME has failed, IMO.
How long to charge this behemoth battery?
Nice review. Over 200kw and only 329 miles and 1.6 miles per Kw is the modern day 13 miles per gallon or so.
Oh man, the Bolt winding up on the “flatbed of shame” is an EV nightmare.
Yes that's true, but take someone living in Utah for example. This Hummer EV would cost only $23-24 to charge from 0-100% because Utah's electricity rates are only $0.11kw.
So it's kind of like those gas guzzlers prior to 1973. Sure they only got 12MPG, but who cares when you can fill up back then for maybe $10.
Unfortunately for me, I live in New England, which has one of the highest rates of electricity. So a full charge would be around $60-70 here. That's why I am planning to get solar in the near future to offset some if not all of NE electric tax.
@@joemcdonough7509 only .065 cents in Ohio!
@@normt430 I'm super jealous!!
Compare it to ram trx that gets 13 mpg it has probably a $60 plus fillup you can charge this thing at home for 22 bucks
@@MrNarutokun406 Not only that, but for any device that uses lithium batteries (cars, ebikes, scooters, laptops, phones, etc), it's wise to buy the biggest battery pack available and
- keep the usage range between 20-80% as much as possible.
- keep the battery closest to 50% when not in use for a long period of time.
You will greatly extend the life of your battery by doing so while at the same time not really sacrifice your daily needs for capacity. I've got a 3 year old ebike that has no visible signs of battery degradation because of my strict charging regiment. If the device doesn't have built in battery controls, you can buy an electrical outlet timer and program it to charge for a certain period of time and then shut off.
Isn’t the EPA range based on mix driving not strictly highway?
yes, but EVs do worse on highway driving than the mixed #.
@@markrichards9792 thats why i am surprised it did so well considering it looked like the entire range test was highway.
This was a great test! That truck is a monster, makes no sense whatsoever, but that's kinda the point. This would make such a great weekend beater for a certain kind of guy, and I know several here in Texas who fit that bill.
-Hummer battery weight alone: 2900 lbs
-My entire first car weighed 1300 lbs (Honda N600).
Progress?
If your only measurement for “progress” going from a ICE Hummer to this Hummer EV is the weight reduction, then I suppose not. 🤡
Makes sense that pure highway driving at a steady speed delivered mileage in excess of the EPA combined city/highway mileage rating. Imagine the kwh sucked down by the hummer accelerating and deaccelerating around town, or climbing any sort of topography. The Hummer will fare considerably worse driven anywhere but a flat highway.
Actually highway is one of the worst case situations for an EV. Especially a Hummer EV with that higher aerodynamic drag. In town this will get a lot more range.
thats literally the opposite of how it works. EVs have regenerative braking.
@@protovack There is no free lunch. The electric motor operates below 100% for acceleration, and even less so for regen braking.
No,it recuperates a lot in the city. And after climbing up you go down- again recuperate energy.
You’re gonna have to get a through the windshield video footage going so if some coworkers start stocking you again you have evidence‼️
Did you miss the energy screen display? It shows what the total consumption is for the previous drive.
I didn't miss it. It doesn't allow you to view that information from the last recharge, just the "current drive". I stopped halfway to use the bathroom and reset the cameras. When I turned the vehicle back on, it reset the kWh consumption for the trip. The Bolt holds that info until the next recharge which I expected the Hummer to do, but it doesn't.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney yeah, I would have warned you of that if you had asked. I expected it to be like the Bolt too. Longest single drive we did in the Hummer was back in March with it below freezing and snowing out. 242.8 miles used 191 kWh from 100 to 11%. Stuck to the speed limit because we were hoping to make it all the way to that charging station. Furthest I've ever driven in an EV without a stop.
1.5mi/kwh isn't too bad when you consider this thing moves around by spinning the entire planet underneath itself.
You really need to use a ODB Bluetooth dongle and the car scanner app, then you'd know SOC.
Only 110k$ for a 9000lbs Monster with a 230kWh Battery ??? It shows how overpriced current Teslas are. 🤦♂️
And Dom was in front of you as well at one point in Kyle's Model 3 he borrowed, how funny yet neither of you knew. :)
I know - both of us can't believe it.
thanks for the review, but noticed you keep getting passed on the right. MI drivers are ticked.
I don't think there's a single car that passes me on the right in the video unless I missed something. I always drive in the right lane unless the vehicles there are going slower than 70 mph, which does happen. But I then get back into the right lane as soon as it's safe to do so.
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Sorry, know you in the right lane. Was just in MI and the only time I've been passed on the shoulder, even though I was 10 over the limit on I94 just east US 23. Happened twice!
Debatable if 1.6 KWh is a "great result", but it's an awesome vehicle in the most ridiculous way
Aero, tires, and body armor play massively into the efficiency. Its not apples to apples with F-150 Lightning
The energy to turn those Wheels 🛞 our killing the range
The silverado might hit 440? 420? Nice video, wish I could afford a hummer ev!
9:06 - see "Tommy Molo" from the lowly Bolt to the "top o' the food chain" Hummer you find NO numeric SOC on the dash so what that means is "get the signal". like I've mentioned previously, GM are in fact sending consumers a message that if we're referencing SOC as a metric for driving, then like the "cool kids" and Internet memes state WE'RE DOING IT WRONG. hint: the engineers know our behavior of referencing Battery Percentage (%) is simply a carryover from Smartphones, however Smartphones are NOT Automobiles (not even BEV ones) and they seek to BREAK us of that habit. keep in mind, it's still "Early Days" for the Auto Industry so once the EV market matures and the "operating intelligence" of consumers increases in relation to EV's (hopefully) they will likely add that feature in later models. of course something else to keep in mind is they just made a deal to sell 175,000 units into a rental fleet (ref: Hertz) over the next 5 years, so NO WAY IN HELL were they ever going to make the mistake of including that feature "natively" at this point. #NOTTHEIRFIRSTRODEO
A tow truck for a Hummer EV? A BIG flatbed!
Nice test. Go GM
Super cruise FTW!
Rounding is at 1.51 will read 1.5 with 1.6 10% of the time.
Too bad you can't hook up to your house for emergency power. This thing could light up an entire neighbourhood.
Nice to dream about, I'd love to see a Toyota FJ EV. A smaller version of this.
12 yards long, two lanes wide, 65 tons of American pride.... Hummerayro Hummerayro
Wow that is crazy.. I bet at 50-55 that thing does over 500 miles
Outstanding
My Lightning looks little compared to it!!
What’s the real range with full load and or towing at your capacity?
That’s the real test
HUMMER ❤💪😍
Hey Tom, can I ask a fair question? I understand that your Ford is lighter than this truck, but it’s become a norm for people to criticize the weight and performance of this vehicle as if it’s the only thing heavy and fast on the road. It’s certainly unprecedented and the first of its kind so I sorta get some of it.
My question is why aren’t these concerns ever brought up while reviewing the Ford Lightning with 800 hp, 0-60 in 4.5 secs, and over 6,000 lbs? Would you feel better in the line of a Ford Lightning traveling at 70 mph in the event of a head on collision crash? How about a Tesla Model X Plaid? I don’t think either would feel very good. Why do people pretend that the GMC Hummer is the only fast and heavy vehicle on American road when it isn’t?
Ummm which is heavier 6000lbs or 9000lbs? haha 50% Fatter than a Plaid X or Lightning is a HUGE difference!
@@NJturtlePower also the Rivian R1 is 8000lb and no one complains
I don't know about crashes, but TFL Trucks channel joked that the Hummer EV won't be able to drive on some old bridges due to its sub 9000lb weight limit.
@@samiaziz2665 Wrong! Rivian R1T: GVWR = 8,532 lbs...curb weight is "only" 7,150.
No need to make crap up to prove a point just Google for facts. 🤦♂️
It needs at least 4 wiper blades. Three blades is for wimps. 😂
My 2001 Chevrolet silerado 2500hd can go well over 400 miles and do a less than 3 minutes to refill while you are sitting to charge good luck with that 😮
That efficiency is comically bad. I understand that people who drive it don't care, but it'll still be way better than gas when charging at home. My vehicle gets about 5mi/kWh so it blows my mind to see something in the 1's.
It's not shocking how efficient the HUMMER EV pickup is (or isn't), blame the max off-roading tires or the front end aerodynamics, let alone its weight, as for why it doesn't have higher towing and payload numbers, again blame its purpose design for max off-roading capabilities, (yes, we know the upcoming Silverado EV will be a better EV pickup than the HUMMER EV pickup, but HUMMER is GM's halo off-roading EV models), over 340+ mile range at 70 mph isn't bad at all for what the HUMMER EV pickup is and suggests that a 400-mile range Silverado EV is doable, side note, should HUMMER / GM offer different tire packages, instead of just the MT (Off-Road Maximum Traction) tires maybe all-terrain tires or even all-season tires for those that will never off-road it, the second thing, why has HUMMER not shown a small HUMMER EV SUV, think at least a midsize model and maybe even a compact as well
Love evs
Great, in a better condition like no wind it might get close to 400 miles, probably easy to get to 380 miles.
the bolt has a numeric state of charge it is in the my chevy app from your phone
It would be interesting to see what a proper set of 8-lug wheels with skinny highway tires would do for this thing's range. These Goodyears are 35" tall and 12" wide with off-road tread, which thwacks out a good chunk of range. Throw on a set of skinny 35" commercial highway truck tires and repeat this test, and 400 miles probably would be within reach.
This is where the Silverado EV will come in. It will have more appropriate road tires than the beast tires on this machine.
Thing thing is that size and plays are going to be 100 lbs when combined with a wheel or more. Our 2005 Hummer H2 has 315/70-17 and they weigh about 100 lbs and are a best to lift up to the hub when rotating!
Im going to start a buisness that contracts with AAA and just have a flat bed pickup with a diesel generator to come charge people who run out of power on the side of the road.
Makes the cybertruck look rushed.
Very impressed by how well the Hummer EV did in this test! It will be very interesting to see if GM has a similar result in the Cadillac Lyriq.
Any halo fans scrolling down here looking for a 343 reference?
So, to put into prospective, the efficiency of this truck is more or less the same as FULLY LOADED Tesla semi. 🤔
Clearly, you led, Mary.
1.6 mile per kWh? 😂 So in true Hummer fashion, it's an extremely wasteful vehicle. My Bolt EUV gets about 3.4 kWh at 70 MPH. So that's less than 50%. So just like gas-powered vehicles, in order for a bigger 4x4 truck to go the same distance as a smaller car, you need more the double the size of the gas tank.
The Bolt is hardly anything to be proud of....compliance car vs performance based SUV/Truck...totally different animal. Main reason I got into EV's was for the performance and the Bolt has none of that. Tesla is KING or the performance/efficiency balance.
@@NJturtlePower It's all about what you get for your money. For how much the Bolt EV and EUV costs, they are extremely impressive.
I get wanting a performance car or even something like a Jeep or other similar off-roaders. But a Hummer is just a silly waste, even in EV form.
@@ShadLife I agree with that last part for sure.... typical GM flop that they can barely build in any volumes anyways!
@@NJturtlePower Not really a flop, but believe what you want.
@@NJturtlePower we just drove up to U.P and seen three Hummer EV's on a trailer. Those are $110K a pop! How many do think they should be making?!
Oh my gosh, Tom...
1.6 miles/kWh is obscene...
What a pointless waste of resources...
GM should be ashamed of themselves 😟
NonEfficient design with the drag coefficient so high efficiency will be terrible they should’ve started with a clean sheet of paper how stupid
They did watch the video On UA-cam Hummer EV Revolution they built this to get the people that do like Electric vehicles to convince him the power of electrical vehicles and what they can accomplish
little peice of tech advice for when you talk to GM, the terms are "rounding" as you know, which takes 1.55 and turns it into 1.6, but the other word which you couldn't find in the video is "concatenate" which would make 1.55 into 1.5, it chops off anything up until the number displayed. A very common phrase for people in coding anytime you're dealing with int and double variables.
But the cyber truck.... Wait... Is it even out yet? How many millions of dollars have they scammed from customers for a truck that hasn't even been fully designed?
Q1: But the cyber truck.... Wait... Is it even out yet? A1: nope.
Q2: How many millions of dollars have they scammed from customers for a truck that hasn't even been fully designed? A2: "$100 Billion Dollars..." (Dr. Evil voice)
Let's be honest, you're buying neither so move along troll.
the hummer ev is just what the original hummer turned into. along with the Cadillac Escalade and the Lincoln navigator, a ghetto cruiser.
Wow what a racist comment
That's something like 640 kWh / mile, or 53 MPGe.
Hook a small camper up to it and pull it when its 10F outside.
Gm has outdone themselves with the most ridiculous use of engineering capabilities ever. they couldve made 3 smaller more efficient EVS with that amount of materials but theyre not about making useful products to help people. Theyre banking on clowns looking for attention to overspend on a useless tank that has no real purpose on the road. I have zero respect for GM for their track record of lying so Im biased.
This makes the money for the bolt,the least expensive Ev sold in US. Most affordable things are available because of the ridicules things wealthy people are willing to spend money on. They are doing it correctly, target the people with money first to pay for the new technology
This thing will be expensive to charge...... even at home.
Expensive? It would cost me $31 to charge at home. For $31 it will go over 340 miles at highway speeds, maybe 290-300 in the winter. What full size gas/diesel truck can to that? Plus go 0-60 in 3 seconds?
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney If you look closely, I never compared the truck to any other vehicle, combustion or ev. $31 is expensive to only cover that many miles, for an ev. The point is, that thing is terribly inefficient. With that said, if I had money to throw away, I'd have one of these.
great stats...but it still takes to long to charge on a road trip.. they need to get charging down to 15 mins max..
You could buy two model Y's, drive a total of 600+ miles and still have used only 75% of the energy.
And? Instead compare this to a ram trx a truck which IS cross shopped against something like this. A truck which is slower, also has 35s.
But the trx gets single digit average mpg in every single long term review I've seen on it. And 5mpg or less when towing a serious load. 🤣
This gets a legit 45-50+mpge and only has the equivalent to less than 7 gallons of gas or about 6 gallons of diesel in total onboard energy.
I say great freaking job team gm. This will steal sales from other bro dozers burning 1000+gallons or fuel each year. 👍🏻
@@4literv6 Exactly you’d think a Tesla fanboy would know why a vehicle like this is appealing to some folks but of course their animosity shines through thanks to the absence of any Cybertruck being on the market competing against it. So they *troll* and settle for comparing the world’s first supertruck to a Tesla Model Y’s “efficiency”.😂
Who cares about your model Y
@@mybro727 Man, you guys are sensitive. The entire point of the video was a 70mph range test on flat, boring, smooth unobstructed pavement. To be impressed that it takes more than 200kWh of battery and more that 100k to accomplish that mission is laughable.
When you get yours please post a video of it sitting in your driveway taking 20hrs to charge.
An electric golf cart is even cheaper!
👍🌹
The more i see videos of this beast, the more i think its the dumbest EV ever built. People paying $200K for these..well you know what they say about a fool and his money.
The inefficiencies on the highway aren’t actually due to the weight of the Hummer. The fact that it is shaped like a house is why it is so inefficient at constant highway speeds. If you were doing this test at a constant 30 mph with no elevation change the efficiency would be much more reasonable. Nobody would ever drive this vehicle like that so it would be meaningless test.
Plus the large offroad tires and tall ride height and ground clearance.
Clearly, the Hummer EV is a POS for posers.
This is the EV equivalent of a gas-guzzler. How long before the Government slaps an E-guzzler tax on it?
Gets prius level mpge, has similar off road ability as a ram trx, can out accelerate some Ferraris and Lamborghinis.
If anything it should get a credit annually for displacing a bro dozer which would've used 800-1200+gallons of fuel each year instead. 😎
@@4literv6Mpge LOL. Publicly charge this and put gas in a Prius and tout its mpge. It's half the efficiency of most EVs. Big energy waster.
@@rzu7120 it's still the most efficient ev in it's class and by far the most capable to. 😎
GM traded one inefficient energy wasting suburban assault vehicle for another. Well done! 🙄
@@4literv6 don’t waist your time with these people they just don’t like GM
ISMH not a real test if you are turning off normal stuff doing a road test in any EV. Get Real!
What was turned off?
@@StateOfChargeWithTomMoloughney Pre Heating of battery and +++
@@QuietStormX That's only turned on if you set a DC fast charge station in the NAV. If you're just driving from point A to point B you wouldn't need preconditioning. Battery Preconditioning wold likely shave 3-4 miles from the range test, so have at it.
5 seconds worth of information, 24 minutes of needless talk.
That's literally all range tests. You can skip to the end if you just want the numbers, or watch the whole thing for extra info.
You should ask for a refund then
I like Tom. He could be more informative, interesting, and engaging. No, not all range tests videos are like this.