How Effective Is 5.56 Green Tip Against Steel? (Green Tip vs. FMJ)
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- In today's video, we will see how much steel a 5.56 Green Tip can go through compared to a regular 55 gr FMJ projectile. All of the testing was done at 50 yards using a529 grade 55 mild steel. Thanks for watching!
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These tests are meant for entertainment and educational purposes only. Shooting steel can be dangerous, so do not try at home! Contains affiliate link to Amazon.
Be very careful when extracting a "hang fire." I've had a 44mag touch-off after a full second delay. I became a believer of the 60 second rule. Wait 60 seconds after a 'CLICK' before opening the breach. It might save your fingers some time. Great videos, thanks for the groundwork.
You are right on. I wanted to tell him same thing. Minimum one minute and keep it point at a safe target.
To quote a very good friend and firearms training instructor, “In a tactical situation, the loudest sound you will ever hear is…CLICK!”
Shit we dont even wait that long for machine guns. 5 seconds for the 240 and the 50 and 10 seconds for HE 40mm. We do do 60 seconds for the saber and jav though
@@BulletproofPastor the two loudest sounds are a bang when there should have been a click. And a click when there should have been a bang.
I have had a few hang fires. I think the longest one was 20 seconds. It was a shotgun shell in very cold weather. It was repeatable with every shell. I do not know if it was the primer, powder or both.
Wait longer before ejecting a dud. I knew a guy who was shooting surplus ammo and opened the bolt right away and it was a hang fire. Ended up taking the bolt across his face and messed him up.
Same here. We were taught 30 seconds on a miss fire, then open breach (charging handle / bolt ) while leaning opposite of weapon.
I like how concise your video are. Perfect length. Excellent editing
I really appreciate the kind remarks!
Agreed. Subbed.
@@bananaballistics Same. Great vid.
Yeah it's really nice when you just crack on with it and don't drag it out with meaningless chatter. Too many channels just like to hear themselves talk
@@bananaballistics kind of remarkable...
Wow, I’ve always held off on green tip, but recently loaded up a few mags with green tip so I’m feeling better about my green tip purchase. As with my 401k, I like to diversify my portfolio of ammo reserves haha . Thanks for the video
It appears the 3/8 in plate was angled when you fired the m193 at it. That may have been enough angling to increase the apparent thickness. Just for the scientific method I suggest making yourself some sort of bracket so that you can stand up these steel plates and they will be perfectly square. Repeatability and all that.
the plates are angled to reduce the chance of a ricochet directly back at him, as a ton of videos online you can see flat angled plates sending the bullet right back at the shooter, especially with lead core FMJ.
@@michigancube4240 so then angle them all the same.
I think the round the keywholed hit the ground about 16" before sticking the plate. That's why it tumbled.
"DO NOT" mistake a hang fire for a dud. Keep your firearm pointed in a safe direction until either the round goes off. Or until an ample amount of time has passed to safely extract the cartridge.
Good advice, I have never heard of this before.
I would guess because I don’t know that it’s necessary to ensure that the dud would need time to cool off and dissipate any potential heat that could complete the discharge?
I cringed when you pulled that "dud" instantly, then you did it TWICE!!
I had a hang fire in my AR once and set it down on the bench pointing down range.
It sat there and then went off at least 10 seconds later.
You are very lucky that you still have no missing fingers or holes in your hand.
Where those duds hand loads or factory ammunition?
Seeing them cut open was neat! The steel core is WAY bigger than I thought it was. I literally thought it was just a tiny bit at the tippity tip tip.
I always thought it was just a steel pin in the middle the size of like pencil lead . 🤷♂️
Yes, I had that impression, as well. I thought it was about half or less than what it actually is.
You had a dry fire and pulled it out instantly twice! I'm not mister safety but I wait 5 minutes piont it and chamber in safe direction then eject
I knew a guy who had a dry fire and did what you just did as he pulled the bolt back the case exploded and a piece of brass went into his gut
Literally almost killed him ! I've also read a story were some did dye and sue! I know you know what your doing ut do not minimize hang fire please !
You have a good point, but I've had rounds explode in front of me and ended up with shrapnel in my arms - I really doubt anything would penetrate enough to threaten your life. Eyes are another story.
@@snorman1911 if the brass goes in your gut you can dye
One person did dye the brass when into his gut they sued and won
And you cloud send a bolt into your for head
@@snorman1911 I know rounds don't hurt if exploded in the hand
But in half chamber there's pressure alot as you know it realy is smart to wait five minutes
Then dump the rd quick action facing the ground I had 308 old isreali tds hang up
And then go off 1 minute later had to see it to be live it
Try putting the 1/2 plate in a solid holder, ( keep the plate from moving) the plate being able to move kills penetration. I'm enjoying Your channel very much!!!
I’d love to see some M855A1 and some solid copper in different Weights.
Also some 7.62x39 would be cool too. Love what your doing keep it up brother. 😎
YESS....M855 Green Tip Vs M855 A1...All Copper Steel Tipped...I would love to see the results. Also would love to know how much more velocity hes getting out of that 24 inch barrel
@@patriotwarrior_556 they all the same shit just different brands honestly I’ve got all of them and the Winchester are the most over priced
2A❤️🇺🇸❤️ Let’s go Brandon FJB !
Gay
In another video the XM193 actually penetrated better than the XM855 out of a 22" barrel when shot at AR500 plates. However, they were shot much closer in than 50 yards. I believe he shot the steel plates at 35 meters.
That keyholed shot looked like it skipped off the ground. Dirt flew up before the target was hit. So the gun may shoot those green tip just fine.
Yup.
I suggested this and you came through. Thanks and I like that your videos are straight to the point and concise. 👍🏼 Thanks again.
Well, this saved me the trouble of sawing a bullet in half just to see. Thanks!
But was it the same ammo you use? What if it’s different 👀
whoa wtf when you say smash that like button it has a rainbow highlight around the actual like button
Should of used a more realistic barrel length 16 inches or less.
Ricochet is obvious look at the dirt before plate impact.
kind of unfair to compare .223 remington to M855. You should have done M855 vs. M193
4:00 💀🙈. . you no longer need your right hand???
So, what you're saying is that my wife's Mini Cooper isn't a good candidate for putting steel plates on to keep her safe from most gun calibers? 3/8 inch plate would weigh too much. I've told her that her accelerator is her best defense. We live in Houston and it's getting dicier by the day.
One of the first things I learned when I started shooting in my mid teens was WAIT to extract a round that you think is a dud. Keep the barrel pointed down range and count to sixty. Never had one that wasn't really a dud but it only takes one hang fire to make you a believer and maybe checking out the emergency room...
Try .223 45 grain HP Winchester white box, you may be surprised.
300 blackout would be nice to see
You hit the dirt 1st.
Key hole lol, no.
interesting point (no pun intended)... yet I can't tell from the video.
Pretty thick to be 1/4 maybe 5/16
The energy dissipation of the impact on an unrestrained steel plate with a piece of wood randomly positioned behind it is a considerable factor in penetration testing. It won't necessarily result in the difference between a pass-through and a crater, but it's worth improving your setup to get consistent and more reliable results. Spinning/rotating plates waste significant amounts of energy when comparing multiple calibers, velocities, etc. Otherwise your approach and sequence is pretty well done. It appears your 300 Blackout vs. 7.62 x 39mm test incorporated these setup improvements, but so other viewers are aware, the results of an unrestrained steel plate can yield drastically different results depending on the rotational velocity and shot location.
Same control... like for an experiment.... soooo.... it's fine dummy
M193 from my old 20" 1x14 twist goes through 3/8" (old Skid Steer mounting plate) with ease at 70 yards.
1-7twist every day all day
4:10 you hit the ground in front of it which made the bullet tumble
Indicated by the dust being thrown up infront of the plate
From what i understand, the 40gr Varmint 223 is the only one that penetrates more steel than the 72gr steel tip.
It would be interesting to see how it stood up to titanium.
Is the 55 grain 5.56 or 223?
5.56.. Look at the casings at 1:18, and both are heat treated/case hardened. .223 is not typically heat treated/case hardened.
Food for tough, against mild steel the 55 gr penetrates less, but against hardened steel like ar500 55gr penetrates say a lvl 3 ar500 plate whereas a greep tip wont, you actually need lvl 3+ or lvl4 to be able to stop regular 55gr
Yes I've tested this as well..AR500 side plates level 3. 16in barrel..green tip stopped M193 clean through. The reason is because the tip of green tip, while considered hardened and not mild, it is not super hard. It's actually softer than AR500 steel. So the tip doesn't help it at all when going into AR500. But the tip is harder than mild steel so it helps. But the new M855A1 round the tip is harder than AR500. It's actually close to AR600/AR650. So it can punch through AR500 plates like AR500 level 3 no problem.
@@fujimi715 Tighter twists perform the nicest with M855 and especially m855a1, my friend has a 16 in. barrel and can go through level 3 plates at 100 yards with normal greentip. M855a1 will go right through a level 3+ plate with afaik a 12 in. barrel if it has a 1:7 twist without issue.
If you shoot ar500 steel you will get the opposite results, m193 55gr ball will penatrate more than the m855, Ive shot tons of ar500 steel and the m193 definetly does more damage
This is why they chose the round. However in reality the number of situations you benefit from the 7 grain penetrator is tiny compared to how often you’ll benefit from the better accuracy and performance of the 55 grain FMJ.
It was sold to NATO successful by FN because it increased the range it could penetrate a steel helmet by like 100 yards I believe. So instead of 500 it was 600. Who the hell was taking head shots at 600 yards with iron sights I don’t know??? It’s possible but very difficult Simo Haya kept his shots around 350 meters I believe at the longest and he used irons. Also killed more men than any sniper in history.
Ultimately I still believe SS109/M855 was a huge mistake over M193 (though we should have gone to 1/9 twist for SMK).
However if we ever go to war against 3/8” mild steel I’ll be grabbing green tip and going to town!!!
2:24 Just the tip!
Green tip at 100 yards punched a 3/16" hole through a 3/8" plate, impressive. 308 at 100 yards with fmj punched a 1/2" hole WOW. Lesson, do not think a car door will protect you.
NOT SIGHTED IN AT 50YDS. WTF!!!! These groups should have been 1/2" if aiming at the same spot. WTF!!!
A 5.56x45 is not a steel penetrating round. I shot a 3/8 steel spinner designed to be shot with a 44 mag pistol with a 7.62x54 203 gr wolf soft point. The bullet passed through the plate so fast it didn't even wiggle. The wolf round made a hole big enough to put a 7.62x54 or 308 case in it for target practice with my 22lr. A 308 with a hunting round would do similar damage, I have shot 1/2 mild steel with a 308 loaded with ADI 165 Sierra Game Kings. The 308 passed through the steel hanging on chains very easy. The guy who owned the steel plate didn't believe a 308 would pass through 1/2 inch plate so easily. I hated to ruin his nice pistol set up but he asked for it. Both cartridges were shot from around 100 yards.
Specifically though... What series of "mild" steel was it? 1018? 1020? 1050? 1214?
I have heard that the 55 grain fmj would deflect off a windshield. The green tip was designed to punch through.
3/4 is the best plate at mild carbon to stop. The average. 223,5.56,308. 1/2 is Russian roulette chance.
There isn’t much difference between 18 and 24 inch barrels. 18 is realistically good on velocity with 855 or heavier projectiles. Not saying they don’t have their place
OK. First off the green tips are called armor penetrating rounds. Not armor piercing but penetrating. To stabilize the rounds for accuracy the military uses 1:7 twist rate. Lead is heavier than steel but takes more to compress and causes a lot of heat wich will melt the steel you are hitting. Ergo why you have the long streamers on the hole. And why the 1:12 twist rifle the projectile hit sideways.
If anyone is impressed with the green tips I would not with any twist rate more than 1:8.
But anyone in the military knows these 62 grain green tips are notoriously less accurate than the 55 grain FMJs farther than 200 meters even in an M16A2 or M4 with 1:7 twist rate. And you just proved twist rate matters.
Military old style M855 have Tungsten tip. The newer 855 tungsten core is much larger.
Most of the people are making videos like this one. Shouldn't be making any videos, especially with firearms.
Two duds, a keyhole and minute of milk jug accuracy??? I know I'm a JackA55 but you got major issues.
Effective as the velocity it gets... its no the same 2300fps on a carbine... when a 20" m16 shoot it at 3200fps lol and can pierce an AR500 plate
Gas tax is not drying up. Prove it. Prove the amount of electric vehicles pushed gas taxes lower. Reporting driving habits is will not work.
Wait till the power grid can't support the charging and there aren't enough charging stations for all
Is that bolt action chambered in 5.56 mm or .223 caliber? Also the M855 was developed for a 20 inch 1 in 7 barrel
I got in argument about armor piercing and fmj. He says AP deals less damage even though it's the same bullet, my argument is its not less damage it's just less velocity and and less accuracy. I think of fmj as base line performance and other variants are just that variants, what do you all think?
Deeper, penetration, tip... oh lord.. how can watch w/o dying of laughter and twos utterances 😖😖😁
Definitely hit dirt with m855 out the 24inch.
Imagine having a rifle not sighted in for Atleast 100 yards 🤦🏽♂️
All of this is a 22 bullet weather incendiary Tracer round that's all the green tip is and these idiots that don't know what I'm talking about 556 223 is 22 caliber what is this metric and the other one is imperial measurement that's the only difference
Do you only have like 6 bullets ? The last test keyholes so you just give up ? Why not shoot at least 3 from each type and each barrel to at least get some sort of average ? I know ammo is expensive but you fired what 6 rounds for the entire test video ? One shot is probably not good for a decisive conclusion.
Where you shooting M193 5.56mm FMJ rounds???
you should revisit this with 1/4 steel and see what angle does it take to deflect different rounds?
Dangerous?
Great vid dood!...You'd make the Sumerian legend, ~King Nannur/'Nanner PROUD!...;)
Not "Picking Nits"...-Ya ever worried about HangFires n' cycling/unlocking the bolt that quickly after a "dud" cartridge?
Sometimes they do go !POP! with a smidge of a delay. It would DEF SUCK if it ignited upon throwing the bolt open w/an out of battery discharge...
-Keep up the cool & interesting vids 'ma man!
HOW TO GET THE GREENTIP BAN . should be the name for the vid
Those are pretty slow loads lake city is much hotter. Also there is no reason to own 1/12 5.56 when there are 1/8 and 1/7 twist barrels out there.
Shooting steel can be dangerous, so don't try this at home??
There's literally hundreds of places that sell steel plates for shooting. 🤦♂️
I watched your last shot a few times, and it kicked up way more dirt than any of the other shots. To me, it looked like your shot was actually that bad, and it was actually a ricochet off the ground 🤷♂️
Not to be a troll, but lighter faster bullets do not penetrate as far as heavier bullets; although, to be a valid comparison, it should be the same weight bullet. The heavier bullet is already going to penetrate deeper, so how much of the effect is weight and how much the steel penetrator? I think people get confused that faster bullets have higher energy so they think they should penetrate farther, but heavier bullets have more inertia which pushes them farther. Just like most people who don't know think lighter bullets are better for long range because they are going faster; however, same caliber heavy bullets retain much more of their velocity at longer range and end up being faster down range.
So what you're saying is if a vehicle has welded 1/2 inch plates.. not even zombies are getting in
It's always nice to have a couple of cases of green tip on hand lol
Closed bolt vs reciprocated cycle rifles of 2 different lengths is of zero compression!!!
I man never blames his tools. Also how can you be familiar with shooting and not know what your rifles sighted in at and how to adjust. And wtf, I would leave the range if I saw someone treat a hanging like that
What ammo are you using that fails to fire, you call it a dud? Discredits the entire video if you're using ammo with several rounds in a row that won't even fire.
Have you ever watched Paul Harrell? I've noticed a few tiny influences in your language.
You’re shooting steel with lead? Why would it go through? 🤦♂️
Two things. One. Primers on military grade ammo are harder, hence the misfires in the bolt action. Not enough spring on the firing pin to light off the ammo. Two. Not a keyhole, a ricochet from the dirt in front of the target.
Otherwise an entertaining video.
Great video but grow a beard, your broadcaster deep voice coming out of your baby face was freaking me out.🤣
Penetration the green tip wins hands down but in lethality that FMJ was tumbling out of that 24inch barrel against a living target that will flatten and just tumble through the target.
Try red tips although expensive I believe they are primarily an accuracy round
LMAO! No, you ARE that bad of a shot, dude! I get 1" groups at 100 yards.
.223/5.56 is all trash imo. Spicy 22s🤣.30 cal is where it's at
This dude must have ar500 armor because he’s obsessed with steel plate penetration.
try 45 grain winchester white box hp ammo or fiocchi 40 grain vmax ammo
I don't quite get how FMJ would be lighter since it has a full lead core while the green tip doesn't?
To be sure, I'm not familiar with these types of cartridges but they seem to be similar to what we use in the military though we have AP rounds instead which have a full steel core and a much higher velocity because steel is, as we all know, lighter than lead.
Back in the day we used Tombak plating instead because fucking up the rifling isn't a problem when you have 13x as many barrels as guns.
WOW!! Very surprised at FMJ results. Thanks for info.
You need to use a m16a2 length rifle with the same 1 in 7 twist rate. That is what the m855 green tip was designed for.
Wouldn't green tips be effective effective against a Terminator?
This guy needs to invest in a larger steel plate apparently. Spends all his time walking back bc he missed lmao
Freen tip was designed for Russian hermit, much thinner than any of your steel.
Did the last shot hit short and skip up?
Just the tip .....
Think Beavis and Butthead laughing now
Wow, thanks for the clear concise, to the point test and no pontificating like some others. Out of curiosity, what was the twist rate of the 18'? Thanks again!
They aren't that spectacular. Tiny dent ... like match head size .. 556 is to lightweight to do any flowering to a 3/8 steel target .
338 lapua green tip or .50 cal will be much more rewarding for damage display. I was disappointed in the 566 ... no carnage .
24" barrel green tip hit the ground before the plate. Reason for the appearance of tumble.
Shoot them green tips in something soft .. see what happens . Not what u think.
Well shit don’t break into my house 😂 all I got to defend myself is my AR
Man, I'll never understand any twist longer than 1:9 for .223/5.56. Unless the only thing you're shooting are 40gr rounds, just leave the 1:12s on the factory floor. Personally, I go for God's Twist .. 1:8. Works great for 55-77gr rounds on both my 16" and 20" ARs.
My thoughts exactly!
@@doityourself2save the 1 in 12 worked pretty well for the M193. Remember the instability of the bullet is what caused it to tumble and fragment.
@@donallen2819 1 in 14 was the actual original twist for the m16. They had to go to the 1 in 12 due to accuracy issues with ammo going through the 1 in 14 in different environments
FN Scar 17s 1-12in Twist Rate
@@McMan_ ..that's a 7.62x51 rifle, not 5.56.
You're comparing apples and kumquats.
As a tarkov player, I already knew the green tip would pen further.
The 24” Rifle is chambered in 5.56 or .223 Rem?
Stock up on both gt and fmj. Never know if you'll need more pinatration or not
7.62 steel core would be cool
If I ever get ahold of any, I will definitely test it out
You should try some M855A1 projectiles!