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I've always liked 2010. It's a different kind of film than 2001, but damn entertaining. Danny Boyle's film "Sunshine" was pretty clearly influenced by 2010, imo. Unfortunately, the other books haven't been made into films for a reason; some interesting sci-fi ideas, but just not enough meat there for movies, I'm afraid
I liked it as well. If I remember correctly author Arthur C. Clarke always had in mind a continuation of the story to explain HAL's mission. I've read the first novella/treatment for 2091 called The Sentinel but it was a long time ago and Kubrick of course wanted to emphasize how humanity becomes controlled by the tools they've invented, the monolith representing an evolution not quite in our control as we arrogant humans think everything must be in our control, even evolution. 2010 had a more direct concern with the politics of humanity vs. the necessity of humanity being all about discovery and how that aids the cosmos with evolution . complex as heck. I wonder what Clarke's next book in the series is about. Fantastic observations on your part, Chris. You're a wonderful reactor. You're like nuclear, man. In a good way. 😄
Probably the best follow up movie of all time.It is Great you got to watch both so close together.the rest of us had to wait almost 20 years for a conclusion.In 1968 I was 14 years old when I saw 2001.It was a very confusing movie for that age.We were lucky in Akron we had one of the few movie theaters that had the original "Cinerama" .Back then no one could explain the ending of "2001"I still have a large movie poster of an artist's rendering of the large deck area of the space ship.
Your reaction is exactly the same as mine. I like how 2010 tires everything up for 2001 nice and neat… There’s still a few uncensored questions, but that leaves it open for the next stories… And now with tensions with Russia again it does make this movie a little bit more relevant now.
Did you notice at 3:37, the man at the extreme left of the screen? None other than Arthur C. Clarke making a cameo appearance! And the voice of the SAL 9000? Actress Candace Bergen (Murphy Brown)! Plus, in the scene at the elder-care facility, we see a nurse reading a TIME magazine with the images of Stanley Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke on the front cover!
Well done for watching it on it's own merits. It was never going to match 2001 and Hyams didn't try to. He made a perfectly decent sequel which explained enough to make for a great continuation of the original story but still leaves questions of it's own unanswered. It looks beautiful, sounds great and gives HAL the respect he deserved in showing him to be innocent. But what I love best is it's message - needed more than ever when you see what's happening on the planet, especially Ukraine right now. "We are just tenants on this world. We have just been given a new lease and a warning from the landlord." Awesome. So glad you liked it.
I think the way Hyams had loads of dialogue in the first few minutes was genius. Like to cut a difference straight away, but still be a great movie too.
"We are just tenants on this world. We have just been given a new lease and a warning from the landlord." - I've always loved that quote. Could be interpreted in reality in many ways, but this will always be relevant. Profound, yet chilling. We need slapping down a peg or two.
Well said. Instead of trying to repeat the previous film (which usually doesn’t work in sequels anyway) Hyams gave us a great sequel, with a different, more “mainstream” style film, while at the same time, keeping the eerie mood with the monolith and the music.
Fun Fact Sal9000 is uncredited voiced by Candice Bergen The Russian guy that gets flung out in the spaces Yaakov Smirnov. He’s a stand up comedian of the time… What A County! He was the spokesman for best western hotels for a long time Here’s the best Easter egg of them all… The scene in front of the White House with Floyd and his replacement where they’re talking about going on the flight. But old man far to the left who is feeding the pigeons is the real Arthur C Clarke, who wrote the books…
I love this movie. It's underappreciated. I find the ending very emotional. Everything from HAL's responses to the "final message." About once a year, I put the "All these worlds..." quote on Facebook. About 5 people understand what it means.
I’m glad to see this film getting new life in this generation. People throw it off because it didn’t feel like Kubrick’s film. And yes I really wish they would pick back up with the books and make 2061 and 3001 into films.
I know I'm late to this one - but while 2061 could make for a good movie overall, 3001 was a pretty not great novel to begin with and I feel would make for a pretty bad movie without some major changes. But I would love to see the series continue, even though it's been you know, 30 something years.
The director, Peter Hyams, was in contact with Arthur C Clarke on a near daily basis during filming thanks to a dedicated computer link to Sri Lanka. There is a rival Chinese mission in the book. I always tell people to watch The Europa Report which covers a lot of same ground that the omitted mission did in the book. Hyams was a solid, if not exceptional, director who made a number of entertaining movies. His Sci Fi film, Outland, may have paved the way to 2010. His Capricorn One, is a popular film that also deals with the space program. Other films from him that I liked are the buddy cop movie, Running Scared, and the WW2 romance/adventure, Hanover Street.
I came here to praise Peter Hyams as well. I've seen a lot of his movies in the theater. I love Capricorn One, the perfect conspiracy film. I have a soft spot for Hanover Street, Harrison Ford was my hero as a kid. I think Running Scared is the best buddy cop picture, Billy Crystal and the late great Gregory Hines are perfect together. They were real life best friends.
@@reesebn38 Hanover Street is very entertaining. Ford and Christopher Plummer (another favorite actor) are great together in the scenes behind enemy lines. I also love that scene where Ford and Leslie Anne Down compete for a spot on a bus. It's a great throwback to a golden age Hollywood romance film.
@@richardb6260 I love this movie!! I am such a sucker for WWII romance. The music too is so beautiful too!! Thanks again John Barry. Both scenes you said are perfect. I was so in love with Leslie Anne Down ever since I saw her in The Pink Panther Strikes Back. Peter Hyams said Harrison Ford was great to work with, that he was up for anything. I think Harrison and Leslie had an affair too. I saw her on a talk show back in 79, She was just crushing so hard over him.
@@reesebn38 I think "Harrison Ford is great to work with" is the standard response from directors. I met Peter Weir (he actually came into the video store where I worked at the time) and he said the same about working with Ford on Mosquito Coast. A couple of Leslie Anne Down movies I can recommend are The Great Train Robbery with Sean Connery and Rough Cut with Burt Reynolds. A truly beautiful actress.
"Dolphins in space" made me think you should definitely watch The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy if you haven't seen it already. It's also based on a novel.
The movie cuts out a good portion of the book, but it still hangs together narratively, and is a great story altogether. And being able to see Keir Dullea/Dave Bowman looking exactly as he did in his space suit when we last saw him in the previous movie sixteen real years earlier was amazing. The always amazing Helen Mirren as the commander of the Leonov was excellent casting and she did great playing the contrasting opposing military commander to the scientific commander of the American crew. The cast was excellent, the music was excellent, and the story was excellent. It was not the cinematic masterpiece that 2001 was, but it never could have been, and if they had tried to replicate the feel and tone of 2001 it would have been a travesty. And I always liked the harsh breathing in the external suit scenes. Since space is silent all one could hear in a suit is the noises within the suit, and one's breathing might sound very loud and harsh indeed, especially when one is under the strain of knowing that a relatively thin suit is all that is keeping one from the gruesome death that awaits in the void of space. 😵💫 Read the book. The book is excellent, even if it is quite different from the movie in some ways. I read 2061 and was not as pleased with it, so I'd suggest stopping after reading 2010. As always, great work, great reaction, and I agree with you about the great quote: Sometimes the answers are bigger than the questions. 🙂 Reminds me of something my dad often told me: Sometimes the only answer is more questions.
I liked the film 2010 a lot, but I wish they had spent a bit more time on stating that Europa had life. In the book, a Chinese spacecraft lands on Europa and gets attacked by a seaweed monster. That establishes that Europa has primitive life forms. Here, the Leonov probe gets close to Europa, finds something moving, and the probe gets destroyed. It is not clear whether Europa has life, or if the probe was destroyed by the monolith aliens.
@@gordondavis6168 The Leonov's probe essentially does what we read in the final chapter of the book, in which the monolith essentially stands guard over the new life growing on Europa, shooting down a probe that does not heed the earlier warning.
I loved the contrast between the sad, tender way Chandra said it and the brisk, reassuring way he lied to SAL earlier, telling her of course she'll dream. Having just told HAL the truth about his death, he simply couldn't keep lying to his son anymore. It plays like a deathbed conversation, and it's heartbreaking.
What a great reaction video! Turning "2061" into a sequel would be interesting, though it's probably unlikely. On the other hand, now that Denis Villeneuve appears to be tackling "Rendezvous with Rama", who knows if there might be more interest in Arthur C. Clarke's material. I'd be in for it.
A far, FAR, better movie than any sequel to the ultra-classic "2001: A Space Odyssey" has any right to be, it benefits from a perfectly acceptable Arthur C. Clarke storyline, some great visuals, and terrific direction from the very underrated Peter Hyams (check out Outland, his "High Noon in Space" which came a few years earlier.) Great reaction, thank you!
Thanks for doing this. I always thought this movie was extremely underrated and thought it was a true spiritual sequel to the ideas of the first movie. Scheider is great in this role.
I always thought this movie was unfairly maligned. One of my favorite quotes about it from a reviewer was: “This may be the only movie I know of that has been universally panned for having a plot!” 😁
THis is the movie that got me interested in 2001 in 1984. Most reviewers have a hard time letting themselves enjoy it. I love how much you like and enjoy it. And I love HAL because of this story. Thanks!
I saw this movie first when I was a child. It wouldn't be until a couple years later that I would finally see 2001... and honestly, I didn't enjoy it as much. It wouldn't be until I was much older that I could appreciate the visual aspects more,... but even then, it would only be the events of 1999 (in orbit and on the moon).
I completely agree! I read somewhere that a series is in development based on 3001 which could be great, but will they fill in the gap of 2061 or ignore it? I want the whole experience.
First, I would like for them to remake 2010 (they can simply call it "Odyssey Two") in order to be closer to the book. Namely, the Tsien spacecraft subplot, and not reversing the order of events with Europa, as the probe being shot down was supposed to be at the end, and the blast was supposed to come from the small monolith.
There is so much that was described in the book that Kubrick deliberately left out of the film. And then he had the balls to criticize this film for revealing too much. If anybody should be criticized, it should be Kubrick
I really enjoy 2010. I think it takes a lot of flack because 2001 is considered one of the "all time greats" and an artistic masterpiece. Where as this is a more traditional film. But I think it's a very good one.
@@CasualNerdReactions 100%. It should be judged on its merits not compared to something else. And this film does exactly what it needs to. It's not about the discovery of some form of alien life. That is a known factor now. The unknown is what the hell happened, why did the computer kill the crew? Can it be trusted? What is going on at Jupiter. It also dealt with the then extremely relevant cold war. As the Russian scientist puts it at the start: "Our governments are at war. We are not." Scientists have long put aside borders and politics and cooperated. And having Americans working with a Russian crew on a Russian ship was a HUGE deal at the time. That in and of itself suggested hope for the future.
One thing the book makes clear, that the movie only alludes to, (at least for me) is that HAL was not destroyed along with the Discovery. At David Bowman's request, HAL was transformed into a "Starchild" as well to be a companion for Bowman.
The line "My god its full of stars" comes from the 2001 book.. it was Bowman last sent words right as he entered the Monolith.. however Stanley Kubrick decided to not use any dialog in the last act of the movie (Jupiter and beyond infinite) so it got "lost" but it was used in 2010
The Russian lady with dr Floyd during the Jupiter breaking - Natasha Schneider - she was a member of Queens of the Stone Age when she died of Breast cancer in 2011.
I literally had tears with the message at the end. It reminded me of how close we really are to destroying ourselves. This type of event may be our cure.
It is nice that, unlike most other movies where the threat of alien invasion gets us to stop fighting amongst ourselves, THIS time the alien influence was positive and hopeful.
HAL's Voice - Douglas James Rain SAL's Voice - Candice Bergen The interior look and feel of the Russian spaceship was created by the late "Syd Mead" who was an American industrial designer and neo-futurist concept artist, widely known for his designs for futuristic cars for the US auto manufacturers and hardware for science-fiction films such as Blade Runner, Aliens and Tron. Mead has been described as "the artist who illustrates the future" and "one of the most influential concept artists and industrial designers of our time. Also, remember, that HAL actually bragged on international TV (not only about himself but about the entire line of 9000 series computers) being 100% perfect. So, now he had the entire line of 9000 computers reputation to defend on his shoulders - and yet he got caught making an error. He had to eliminate all witnesses.
If there's one thing that definitely dates the movie, it's that the Cold War is still going on in 2010. Of course, it's hard to blame 1980s screenwriters for believing it would continue into the 21st Century. At the time of filming, there didn't seem to be an end in sight. It might seem odd in hindsight given that the Soviet Union ended just 7 years after this film was released.
Saw this in the theatre when it came out, i was 14 and it was the cooolest movie I've ever seen. The effects were so awesome and i loved how deep the story was. It taught me to expect more from my sci fi. That spacewalk though... Ugh torturous in the theatre.
2010 was made in 1984 which had the US and USSR (Soviet Union) was still in the "cold war" which had ALOT of mistrust on both sides. This is a VERY important thing to remember when watching this movie as well as if you decide to ever watch the HBO series Chernobyl. I personally LOVE Helen Mirren's Russian accent. I think she must have listened to her paternal grandparents very well. This is one of my favorite movies from the mid-80s. It brings up good memories of watching it with my mother whenever we would run across it. Thank you for reacting to it, it is not one that a lot of reactors do. And that is a shame because it is such a great movie.
The Russian accent of Mirren's character is not of Russian origin. It's still plausible, if her native (primary) language was not Russian, such as maybe Estonian or Ukrainian (West Ukrainian dialect), if she grew up in Estonia or western Ukraine. Something like that.
05:35 The filmmakers had a little 'help'; this was about 5 years after Voyager 1 and 2 made their flyby of the Jovian system, and the filmmakers had all of the color photographs to draw upon to create the matte paintings and VFX shots of Jupiter and the surrounding area.
Interestingly, the book 2001 was supposed to be at Saturn. But since the rings were too difficult to pull off with the visual effects of the time, they changed it to Jupiter. And thank goodness they did, because THIS movie took full advantage of how awe-inspiring the swirling storms of the gas giant can be. I don't know if the big black spot moment would have quite the same impact with Saturn. It helps being able to see all the swirling patters of red and white sucking into it.
I do like this movie. It is very well done but the promise of "Something Wonderful" caused me to expect something a bit more visually. It built up such great anticipation only for it to just be a simple message. I love watching your reactions. You are so fun, full of innocence, wonder, good sense and emotion.
@@karlwest437 Right? Utterly awe inspiring, and fully delivering on a "sense of wonder" level. It was also rather a big slap in the face to humans - "pack your crap in, you're not all that."
So glad you watched this. It is different than 2001 in many ways, but very worthy. It connects to the earlier story very well and tells its own stories. HAL not only wasn't the bad guy, it was a hero. Every actor sold it, the visuals were great, the backdrop made total sense and served as the perfect platform for the plot to progress.
That set of giant radio dishes at the start of the movie comprise the Very Large Array, VLA, here in my state of New Mexico. I've been there a couple times. It's a magnificent place & area. They also used the VLA in Contact (Jodie Foster). Each dish is the size of a pro baseball infield. They have at least 27 of them, which they move around on railroad track over a 30 mile area, depending on what they're listening for. The array acts as one big dish, so imagine a dish that's 30 miles across.
Your enthusiasm for the film is cool to watch. You remind me so much of a friend. There's a lot of inconsistencies between 2001 and 2010. Some due to budget restraints, the others are kinda baffling. Its a good film, but there's so much more in the book. If you are interested, the director of the film (Peter Hyams) made a couple more cool sci fi movies, notably Capricon One. Its about a faked first landing on Mars. The novel of the film (2010: Odyssey Two) is a fantastic read. It follows the same basic story, with much more detail and a few key differences (no US/USSR conflicts, etc.. ) Well worth picking it up. The third book is 2061: Odyssey Three. I didnt dig it as much. 3001: The Final Odyssey was really enjoyable but a bit too short.
I always hated that they stuck a keyboard and a tv monitor in HAL's core. A couple of trivia about the movie: 1) The movies was made during the height of the cold war between Russia and the United States during the 80's. A few of the actors who were playing the Russians were actual Russian actors who had defected. 2) Whenever you see a label on the Discovery but can't see it well enough to actually read it, it's a snippet of the Zero-G Toilet instructions from the first movie.
5:07 Floyd's wife dropping the wine glass into the kitchen sink calls back to Dave Bowman shattering his wine glass on the floor: it's the completion of the arc of the upward sailing bone, which is on its way downwards when it's match cut into the satellite, but we never see the bone fall to the earth, except when Dave does in the form of the wine glass, or Mrs. Floyd does, here. I'd say I was speculating, but, my god, it's a wine glass breaking, both times. The line of Clarke in the novel about the threat of weapons tools is this: "But as long as they existed, he was living on borrowed time." I was 16 when this came out and I'd had 4 years to geek out on 2001 (I'd seen it age 9 on its second major release in 1977 after Star Wars came out). I had really, really high expectations for it. I had read the novel at least a hundred times. It was my Huckleberry Finn. I wasn't disappointed. Neither were most moviegoers. The movie earned and retained positive reviews. p.s. I live right next to (and am a graduate of) the University of Louisville, and also Churchill Downs, both mentioned in the Helen Mirren / Roy Schieder scene, and of course all of us who saw the movie in Louisville, in 1984 cheered when Heywood mentions our basketball, bourbon, and our "big, big horse race."
Europa is where primitive live was just beginning. But it needed more light and energy to evolve well. That is why the alien intelligence ignited Jupiter into a sun to give life to Europa. The warning to Earth was to keep humans from messing up Europa's new life forms. The last scene is of a monolith on Europa doing the same thing it did on Earth 4 million years earlier - encouraging evolution of intelligence. I don't think they made a movie of the sequel to this one, but there is a sequel book where the alien intelligence decides to cancel the Europa experiment and stop Jupiter from being a sun.
More on dolphins in space: The Enterprise on Star Trek TNG had a section of ship for dolphins and whales for help with navigation. The technical manual lists a "Cetacean Navigation Lab," and states that 12 bottlenose dolphins were aboard the Enterprise along with a pair of Takaya's Whales who "supervised". We never see it but it is referenced more than once in the show.
The VFX were done by Boss Film Studios, whom did VFX work for GHOSTBUSTERS, Masters Of The Universe, The Monster Squad, Poltergeist 2, Fright Night, Big Trouble In Little China, DIE HARD, THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER, Ghost, ALIEN 3, BATMAN RETURNS, TRUE LIES, Outbreak, WaterWorld, StarShip Troopers, AIR FORCE ONE, and Species.
I always thought the monoliths as being a human-safe representation of the alien intelligence. Maybe their true forms would drive us mad or just kill us outright, so they made the monoliths to protect us. Dave Bowman somehow survived his encounter and became part of them. A great film. Someday I need to read the 3rd book.
If you’ve read one of Arthur C. Clarke’s other novels, “Childhood’s End”, you would see that the aliens in that story were very cognizant of the fact that their appearance would be a cause of great concern to the people of Earth. They hung around the skies of Earth for generations before revealing themselves.
As a kid in the 80s I couldn't get into 2001 but I was fascinated with this movie. Back when the year 2010 and me being in my 30s seemed so far in the future, this seemed like an intriguing depiction of what space missions could be like. The politics with Russia made it feel that much more real. I wish they'd make a 4K UHD restoration of this, but it might not be popular enough for that to ever happen. If they do that, It would be an interesting bonus if they could make an *optional* alternate remix of the audio that removes unrealistic sounds in the space scenes. It might give the movie a different feel, I'd love to try watching it that way. I have no idea if the raw audio sources still exist to do that though. They might only have the final mixed audio, which would make it difficult to selectively remove individual sounds.
A full 4K (or why not 8K) release would be great, and should be timed to some anniversary related to the Arthur C. Clark, the "2001", or the "2010" movie. A re-release in cinemas would be just awesome.
somehow this has gotten a bad rep for not measuring up to the original (An impossible task). I thought then as I do today, that it is an excellent, solid enjoyable movie on its own, with great performances and SFX. Thanks for watching it!
So this film is a sequel, based on a book that was in turn a sequel to the first film rather than the first book. A lot of themes carry over from the book, but the first film was pure visual story telling with dialog only where necessary to drive the story further along. The director of this film knew he could never match Kubrick and his style, so made the decision to not try. He got both Kubrick and Clarke's blessing with Kubrick telling him to make the film his own. It's storytelling matches more of the straightforward storytelling of the book and I feel, it's what is necessary for this film. dabe1971 in the comments below says much the same and it's one of the things I really appreciate about this film.
A detail they absolutely didn't have to put in this film is the yellow dust covering the Discovery. Io is the most volcanically active body in the solar system. And volcanoes there spew molten sulfur. Due to the low gravity the eruptions can reach 200 miles or more from the surface. So Discovery would be covered by sulfur dust as it flies through some of these erupting plumes. Aerobraking would be terrifying. You're basically turning yourself into an artificial asteroid, hoping you did the math right so that you don't burn up, or skip off the atmosphere into deep space. It's a very narrow margin. You can see the stress and worry on Dr. Chandra's face as he has to decide whether to lie or tell the truth to HAL. As he tries to figure out how HAL will react. And this is a key part of us creating AI now... if it becomes able to think and make decisions on its own, how do situations like this play out? Does it deserve the truth? How will it react to situations that put it in danger, etc. Questions we have to think about. That scene is extremely well done... you feel the tension from HALs completely calm voice while asking terrifying questions on an extremely short deadline.
I wish the Leonov remained closer to the way it was described in the book. The entire front end was a detachable conical ablative heat shield, specifically for aerobraking (which they would detach once its job was finished). The smaller spacecraft built for speed (as its job was to get to Jupiter, and the Discovery FAST) hence its smaller size and its lack of amenities like artificial (spin) gravity. ... also... the interior layout we see on screen DOES NOT fit within the structure of the Leonov in any way, shape, or form.
@@k1productions87Yeah, they changed the aerobraking method from an ablative shield to a ballute. Which had, since writing, become a major idea for the process as well as re-entry. So that was cool as an update to match current thinking. And there's a whole raft of spaceship interiors that just don't fit the external shape or design of a ship. It's not about being physically correct many times... it's about a look, a style, or what can we physically get the camera into and around. There are constraints when filming something in the real world. Which is why more modern films more often get the interior right. Smaller cameras with less cables, supports, etc.
@@mycroft16 hardly. It's not like 1968 when we hadn't yet landed a man on the moon or anything. The Space Shuttle had already flown for years, and we knew what a heat shield was. Further... thinking exposed parts in front of the shield might be dangerous is not at all a product of the time... As we've known this for literally THOUSANDS of years, since shields were first used in war
I didn't like this movie when it was first released. It was so radically different from 2001 I just couldn't get my head around it. It took me a good 30 years to fully appreciate how great it really is and how well it completes the story. Both films have aged incredibly well and are a delight to watch.
4:34 "Can we bring Dolphins into space?" Take a look at the Uplift Series of books by David Brin, specifically "Startide Rising" (1983). I've been reading David Brin's books since "The Postman" (1985) and "Sundiver" (1980). Earth in this time is a rather backward world among the existing star civilizations. Some see Terrans as a "Wolfling" race that should be quarantined; others are more hopeful. Earth's version of the Encyclopedia Galactica is a slim volume, compared to more ancient space faring races.
After he mentioned dolphins in space, I started scrolling through the comments to see if anyone mentioned Startide Rising. A wonderful book. One of my all-time favorite science fiction novels.
This movie is awesome, the writing, acting, effects everything, I believe I saw at the theater anyway thanks I’m enjoying your fun positive reaction reviews and analysis
This movie contains one of the most well done "creepy lines" in movie history. "I was once David Bowman." "I can't accept that identification without proof" "I understand. It is important that you believe me. Look behind you." "You can see in his face he's thinking, "You know, I don't really need proof that badly."
I was 23 when this came out and I saw it in theatre. I felt so mature watching Roy Scheiders role and understanding his bridge between politics and science.
As a "Storyline successor" to 2001, this movie is really good. I get that a lot of people don't like it, but IMHO they try to hold it up to the esoteric view, and that doesn't work. I look at them as two very different movies (from a cinematic sense) that tell an overall story arc. Also, this wasn't my first "Helen Mirren" movie. That honour went to "Excalibur"(which I highly recommend!). But I digress. Anyway.... 2001 and 2010 are good movies, and make for a nice "double feature" if you're inclined to watch them back to back. 2010 really delves into WHY the HAL-9000 did what he did. Which actually makes sense if you consider that HAL is a "logic based" machine. You "force" a lie out of something incapable of lying.... of course it's going to malfunction and attempt to reconcile between the two polar opposites.
"2010" is "2001" from the perspective of humans who have to go on living their everyday lives. On the one hand there is all this crazy amazing stuff going on, on the other you still got to take out the trash. So it provides a really nice contrast to "2001".
Fun fact #1: In the scene in front of the White House, the old man on the left of the screen feeding the birds is actually Arthur C. Clarke, the author of these books and films. Fun fact #2: When we see the cover of Time Magazine in the hospital, the two world leaders pictured are actually Arthur C. Clarke (again) and Stanley Kubrick, the director of 2001.
This sequel gets A LOT of hate from certain "elitists" who probably "expect more of the same" ... but many of them WERENT THERE in the 60s-80s and did not know the political climate. I grew up in West-Berlin in the early 70s ... and IMO this movie is BRILLIANT, because it seems TIMELESS ... and just looking at the current "kerfuffle" in eastern europe and knowing the real reason why it started ... I have to say that POLITICS NEVER CHANGE.
This was a sensible, enjoyable, well-made sequel....but it doesn't have the bizarre sense of surreal mystery and the utterly mind-blowing special effects (even compared to this day and age) that Kubrick's 2001 had. Also director Peter Hyams' previous movie was a space adventure called "Outland," starring Sean Connery, which was pretty suspenseful. It takes place on Jupiter's moon Io. With its grungy-yet-futuristic look and feel, Outland felt like the same movie-universe as Alien, with many of the same technical crew. Including Alien's composer Jerry Goldsmith. You may find that space movie rather amusing/interesting to watch.
You should read all four of the books. They not only explain things the movies do not but 2010 especially is much more dramatic and explains the situation on Europa far better. The first book explains the ending better than the movie but may be confusing because it takes place at Saturn rather than Jupiter. The third book was not as good as 2010 imo but would still make an excellent movie. The fourth and final book I think must have inspired Futurama; and not because it takes place in the year 3001 either. But I won't spoil it for you. I like it though. Btw at 10:35 it *does* make sense that you would "hear that". I assume you are thinking that sound does not travel in a vacuum, but they're not *in* a vacuum when they're *aerobraking.* The air is still very thin yes; but *not* so thin that the ship whooshing along above Jupiter wouldn't carry sound. Just as it's not too thin to *slow them down.* 21:25 - The reveal that HAL's programming was altered was revealed in the first book, but not until the second movie. So fans of the book knew that secret for almost two decades longer than the movie-only viewers did.
Those gorgeous shots of Jupiter and its moons were very much influenced by the then-recent success of the Voyager probes, launched in 1979, which by 1984 had returned spectacular color close ups of the Jovian system, revolutionizing our knowledge of the King of Planets and its consort moons. So the Jupiter, Europa and Io depicted in 2010 were based on right-up-to-the-minute scientific knowledge. Both Voyagers are, at the time of this writing (2022), still returning science data from the outer edge of the solar system, more than 40 years after launch. Not bad engineering for the 1970s.
NASA and JPL are both exceptionally good at what they do. Voyager 2 actually left the solar system on Nov 5, 2018. It had spent a couple of years in the heliopause, the region of space where the Sun's solar wind meets the interstellar wind of the galaxy. Then on 11/5/2018 there was a significant change in magnetic fields, particle and cosmic ray detectors, etc. They had left the solar system behind. Humanity's first interstellar spacecraft. And yeah, it's still sending back data from a distance of 12 billion miles. Arguably the single most successful scientific endeavor of humanity to date. Completely altered our knowledge of our own solar system, turning the textbooks upside down with every photo and measurement it returned.
I adore this movie. I wouldn’t say it’s better than 2001, but I can rewatch this one over and over and I have to be in a very specific mood to watch 2001.
the first film probably my favorite of all time. this is good too but there's a major continuity error: heywood floyd says "i didn't authorize anyone to tell HAL about the monolith!" when in the first film there heywood floyd is after Dave disconnected HAL on computer screen, pre-recorded "...known only by HAL onboard, now the truth can be told to you"... also, the "something wonderful" that happens in 2010 is the find a new species. Didn't that happen in the orig film? Always thought that odd. Probably classified! O well!
Hey Chris, so glad you did this one. Wanted to point out the Arthur C. Clarke and Stanley Kubrick cameos. Here's Clarke's at 3:36 feeding the birds at the far left. And both Clarke and Kubrick are pictured on the magazine cover the nurse was reading. Dolphins in space?!! Dude! If you like reading sci-fi I urge you to start reading Larry Niven's "Known Space" series of novels and short stories. It spans many hundreds, even thousands, of years and all I can say is mentioning dolphins triggered this suggestion. If you don't mind one minor spoiler as to dolphins in his series, I'll tell it to you why I thought of his books, if you want. @ 8:06 Europa is the ice moon of Jupiter that even back in the 80s is thought to possibly harbor life under its ice layer. @ 10:11 Chris. I have a younger brother named Chris and this is his favorite scene! So much so he wanted me to paint it for him. LOL! It is an awesome shot and was even more so in the theater. And this scene here 12:16 looking down at Io made me a little dizzy and put butterflies in my stomach! I know what you mean about sounds in space. Having studied astronomy in the late 60s, one thing that impressed me about 2001 then was the lack of sound when Bowman forced his way back into Discovery and the sound came rushing back as the air filled the airlock. As in Interstellar effects. They add sounds to space scenes because the general public expects it. I just dismiss it and pretend there are no sounds when the Enterprise warps out for example. LOL! I'm sure in future movies, and as the general public understands more how space, and space travel really works there will be more accuracy like Interstellar. They'll have to. @ 26:35 I think they were multiplying, each doubling every 2 minutes from the big one that disappeared. But you mentioned "summoning all the monoliths" like there were others. Yep, you should read the 4 novels is all I'll say! LOL! Another awesome shot was at the very end with the monolith standing guard over Europa. An the mind-boggling thing is that Earth would be in a double-star system forever more. Maybe something like Tatooine. Keep in mind too that "2061" is also the year Halley's Comet returns. You'll get a lot of answers and more details in the novels, and I hope they make movies of the remaining two stories. Glad you enjoy 2010 it was fun watching it again with you. 🖖😁
@@CasualNerdReactions I suggest starting with a collection of short stories called "Tales of Known Space" because it contains a handy timeline table of other shorts and novels in chronological order. The shorts in the book are designated in the list too. Other novels to get are "The World of Ptavvs" (where you'll meet the dolphins), "Protector" totally awesome story, "Neutron Star" containing more good shorts but longer ones, and the Hugo and Nebula Award winning "Ringworld". These are listed in order and there other good ones in between these too, as you'll see in the timeline. Here is a link to Wiki showing the Ballantine Books cover design of them so if you go into bookstores for these look inside the front and back covers for the black scratch-art artwork of Bonnie Dalzell depicting some of the aliens in Known Space based on Niven's descriptions. Later printings do not have these. After reading these you may wonder why no one has made movies of his great stories. You'll find he writes about serious stuff but sprinkles in a little humor here and there to make it fun to read too. Much like what Spielberg did in many of his movies. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_Known_Space
@@CasualNerdReactions One more thing Chris. You're right! Mentioning dolphins got a lot of commentary! LOL! Dolphins are just very special beings. Here's one more dolphin idea. There's a good old serious scifi you should squeeze in while starting Niven's work and before you get to Ptavvs, "The Day of the Dolphin" (1973) with George C. Scott (of Patton, The Hustler, Dr. Strangelove, etc.) and it's definitely not a "Flipper" story! LOL!
The other two books are 2061, which follows Haywood Floyd, now extremely old, ends up joining together with the being that was David Bowman and HAL. 3001, incredibly, follows Frank Poole, who is discovered in space and is eventually revived. Clarke made a pretty huge error on this one though, stating that Frank Poole was born in the 1990's. The Jupiter Mission takes place in 2001, and in the book Frank celebrates his 35th birthday. Though I have heard that a film adaptation for 2061 is in the works, but this was several years back, and I have heard nothing more about it.
The effects on this were supervised by the great Richard Edlund who was also in charge of films like Die Hard, The Empire Strikes Back, Air Force One, Fright Night & Raiders Of The Lost Ark.
Most agree that TESB, Godfather 2, Aliens & T2 are the best sequels ever made, which I totally agree with. Although 2010 would by most not be considered better than the first film I absolutely think it is & deserves to be mentioned at least slightly next to those other great sequels. It takes what the first film had & continues it but also having it's own style, expanding the story, as any good sequel should. All the characters feel realistic & likable, not like so many characters today that claim they know what they are doing but are anything but realistic (Prometheus is a fine example if we compare characters that are supposed to be astronauts & scientists etc). Even if 2010 is dated in many ways the effects for its time are for the most part not only good but even damn good! Very often it feels you are in space right there with them! Just the fact that the Discovery is covered with dust & ash from Io is a fantastic & realistic detail that most films today would've overlooked. Most of all, though, I LOVE the tension & the great mystery being told in this story. We do get some answers, the ones we need here & now, while the bigger questions remain unanswered. And it's for the better if they are never answered. The Monolith fascinates me & scares the shit out of me! It should never do anything else. Another fine detail that is very hard to miss is that when the ghost of Bowman visits his wife through the TV screen on Earth there are tiny shimmers of light glimmering around her just a little bit now & then as they are talking, the same kind of shimmers many that claim to have seen ghosts noticed was present as well. Just a tiny detail like that makes the mystery & even the scare a lot more palpable, makes it feel more real & also more mysterious at the same time. And when Bowman appears in front of Floyd I love it that he just appears. No flashing lights, the score has gone silent. He changes his looks & we don't see what Floyd sees, again no flashes as modern films likely would have done it. Again, makes it scary, mysterious & fascinating at the same time. I also love that HAL gets absolution, being part of the actual answers we do get in this film. The real villains of 2001 wasn't HAL but the politicians back on Earth that sent HAL instructions that made him go malfunction. Very reminding of how Weyland Yutani do things in the Alien franchise, honestly. Some desk person back home ends up getting people out in space killed for profit & gain. I really love this message, pointing the finger at the true villain. HAL was just as much a victim as the astronauts, they made him a murderer against his own will. That is what I call a twist! Makes perfect sense when it's told to you but before anyone did, who could have thought? And that is why 2010 is a fantastic & very underrated film. But it is dearly beloved by those who know about it, more should check it out. I am very glad you did! This is true sci-fi at its finest & one of the most realistic stories of that genre put to film.
2010: Odyssey Two was developed into a 1984 film and 2061: Odyssey Three was published in 1987 which Tom Hanks had originally expressed interest in producing a film adaptation for MGM with himself cast in the role of Floyd, but it never happened.
Just for info, aerobraking has been done multipletimes, first time in 1991. Aerobraking for orbital correction in that case. In theory, and use of atmosphere to slow down a spacecraft is aerobraking, and thus, any capsule (like the ones from Apollo), or even the Spaceshuttle, performed aerobraking when entering the atmosphere from orbital velocity of 9 km/s
Of course, the movie (and book) was made before the first orbital correction aerobraking in 1991... And anyway, they could also be referring to a manned spacecraft orbital correction aerobraking. We never did anything like that, even less in the scale (ship size and speed AND location) as the movie.
Thank you for validating this very contentious follow up to the revered original. Stanley Kubrick gave Peter Hyams his blessing to make the movie his own and he achieved just that. He deserves to be commended and I can see that people are coming around to his film.
I always found Clarke to be much better at concepts than narrative or characters, and he kept a decent balance here, playing off the theory (I'm not sure if it's been reconsidered or anything in the decades since the book was published) that Jupiter was essentially a failed star...a celestial body without enough mass to take that final step. Here, to provide Europa with a sun that would support the growth and evolution of the life developing there , the intelligences behind the monoliths caused the monoliths to gather in such vast numbers that Jupiter's mass was increased to the point where gravity would cause the planet to collapse and ignite. I'm explaining the idea poorly I'm sure, but I always loved the notion and the execution.
I read all four books a long time ago. Spoilers (I think) - In the novel 2010, the Americans and Russians were complete allies and China was the antagonizing country. Most of the story played out the same though. All I remember of 2061 was that yes, of course we couldn't help ourselves but go to Europa. And I think in 3001 the aliens decided they'd made a mistake and extinguished Jupiter which put an end to the Jovian system completely.
2010 is a wonderful film. I like 2001 but for me 2010 is my type of movie. That whole monologue by Dr Floyd at the end about the people of two suns meeting the people of before gets me every time (almost as emotional as the end of E.T.). The waterworks..
I enjoyed your reactions. It sounds like you're more familiar with more recent science fiction films, but have you seen: Arrival? Gattaca? Her? Those would be very worthy of seeing.
Another fun fact: Actress Candice Bergen, a huge 2001 fan, voices the SAL-9000 - but is credited as "Olga Mallsnerd", a pseudonym combining the surnames of her husband Louis Malle and Mortimer Snerd, one of her father Edgar Bergen's stage personas.
One thing I'd like to say about the idea about whether movies should be made of 2063: Odyssey Three and 3001: the Final Odyssey: Yes, but only if their tone is matter of fact, not particularly action packed, very pedestrian and run of the mill. The drama, as in the first two movies, should emerge from characters we're interested in, encountering things they strive to understand, and being changed by what they do find. That's the essence of this series for me, and it is my favorite series. There would be awesome special effects sequences in the next two movies, but they would not be Darth Vader killing Aldaraan. This isn't that kind of story.
I definitely agree, and that would perhaps be the greatest danger of someone trying to make those stories today- the temptation to add to twist to keep it “interesting”.
I remember seeing this in the theater. When Bowman kept saying something wonderful, you better not disappoint. They didn't. In the book, the Soviet Union was less dictatorial. The Soviet and American crews were on more friendly terms
I loved 2010, both the movie and the book. It saddens me that if it was made in our modern era there would be the temptation to "reimagine" elements that might look dated like the Discovery and Hal. Kudos to these people for sticking with the original designs and not feeling tempted to "put their own stamp on things."
I guessed correctly (so far!): I knew you'd be surprised by this one! Because some of us (including myself) were so derisive about this movie in the "2001" comments! But this was never a "bad" movie; I think you will find it does not stick in your head as much, it's not as distinctive a movie, but it's certainly not terrible, and it's always great to see Roy Scheider in anything so it's got that, if nothing else. What I'm happy about: you WAITED to watch this, you didn't watch it two days after watching "2001". So both movies stand on their own merits, as opposed to watching them back-to-back, where the stylistic differences are glaring.
Honestly, I get a little irritated (okay, not a little) at people who poo-pooh 2010 as if it hadn't been written by the same guy who wrote 2001. That's how I know those people aren't science fiction fans, but rather Kubrick fans. Because no fan of science fiction as a genre would denigrate the work of Arthur C. Clarke, no matter who was directing the film.
Oh yea, watching this right after 2001 would be a bit odd because of the differences, but sitting in the story for a month and then diving in worked well! Actually, while this one did surprise me I put this one in the category of wanting more, because I know there are two more books and feel like they deserve to have their story on the big screen too.
@@seraiharper5553 Well, you're wrong on a number of counts, because "2001" was written by Clarke AND Kubrick together, and the novel was based on their screenplay, not the other way around. And LOTS of great authors have their work made into lousy movies. So, with all due respect, those arguments don't hold much water. And Clarke is not infallible; I didn't care for any of the "2001" sequels in book form. Love Clarke and Kubrick, but I'm not sycophantic about either (I despise "Eyes Wide Shut", for instance, and don't care for the second half of "Full Metal Jacket).
It seems you missed all the God overtones in what was happening. Don't you remember Dr Floyds narration at the end? "We were only tenants of this world. We have been given a new lease, and warning, from the Landlord"
Vote in two polls this week on Patreon to determine upcoming content in February. patreon.com/casualnerdreactions! Let me know your thoughts on 2010: The Year We Make Content. I definitely enjoyed it more than I expected.
I've always liked 2010. It's a different kind of film than 2001, but damn entertaining. Danny Boyle's film "Sunshine" was pretty clearly influenced by 2010, imo. Unfortunately, the other books haven't been made into films for a reason; some interesting sci-fi ideas, but just not enough meat there for movies, I'm afraid
I liked it as well. If I remember correctly author Arthur C. Clarke always had in mind a continuation of the story to explain HAL's mission. I've read the first novella/treatment for 2091 called The Sentinel but it was a long time ago and Kubrick of course wanted to emphasize how humanity becomes controlled by the tools they've invented, the monolith representing an evolution not quite in our control as we arrogant humans think everything must be in our control, even evolution. 2010 had a more direct concern with the politics of humanity vs. the necessity of humanity being all about discovery and how that aids the cosmos with evolution . complex as heck. I wonder what Clarke's next book in the series is about. Fantastic observations on your part, Chris. You're a wonderful reactor. You're like nuclear, man. In a good way. 😄
Probably the best follow up movie of all time.It is Great you got to watch both so close together.the rest of us had to wait almost 20 years for a conclusion.In 1968 I was 14 years old when I saw 2001.It was a very confusing movie for that age.We were lucky in Akron we had one of the few movie theaters that had the original "Cinerama" .Back then no one could explain the ending of "2001"I still have a large movie poster of an artist's rendering of the large deck area of the space ship.
Your reaction is exactly the same as mine. I like how 2010 tires everything up for 2001 nice and neat… There’s still a few uncensored questions, but that leaves it open for the next stories… And now with tensions with Russia again it does make this movie a little bit more relevant now.
At least read 2061, a great follow up and continues the story. Don't bother with 3001, it's not really that good
"My God, it's full of stars"
I agree, Dave..... this movie is full of em!
Did you notice at 3:37, the man at the extreme left of the screen? None other than Arthur C. Clarke making a cameo appearance! And the voice of the SAL 9000? Actress Candace Bergen (Murphy Brown)! Plus, in the scene at the elder-care facility, we see a nurse reading a TIME magazine with the images of Stanley Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke on the front cover!
Well done for watching it on it's own merits. It was never going to match 2001 and Hyams didn't try to. He made a perfectly decent sequel which explained enough to make for a great continuation of the original story but still leaves questions of it's own unanswered. It looks beautiful, sounds great and gives HAL the respect he deserved in showing him to be innocent. But what I love best is it's message - needed more than ever when you see what's happening on the planet, especially Ukraine right now. "We are just tenants on this world. We have just been given a new lease and a warning from the landlord." Awesome. So glad you liked it.
You're right about that. I wasn't aware of the situation in Ukraine when I filmed this, but it definitely hits different.
I think the way Hyams had loads of dialogue in the first few minutes was genius. Like to cut a difference straight away, but still be a great movie too.
"We are just tenants on this world. We have just been given a new lease and a warning from the landlord." - I've always loved that quote. Could be interpreted in reality in many ways, but this will always be relevant. Profound, yet chilling. We need slapping down a peg or two.
Well said. Instead of trying to repeat the previous film (which usually doesn’t work in sequels anyway) Hyams gave us a great sequel, with a different, more “mainstream” style film, while at the same time, keeping the eerie mood with the monolith and the music.
Fun Fact
Sal9000 is uncredited voiced by Candice Bergen
The Russian guy that gets flung out in the spaces Yaakov Smirnov. He’s a stand up comedian of the time… What A County! He was the spokesman for best western hotels for a long time
Here’s the best Easter egg of them all… The scene in front of the White House with Floyd and his replacement where they’re talking about going on the flight. But old man far to the left who is feeding the pigeons is the real Arthur C Clarke, who wrote the books…
Floyd's son is played by Talesin Jaffe. Every Critical Role fan just went WTF?
Sorry... Max was played by Ilya Baskin, not Yakov Smirnoff.
You completely forgot about the russian commanders name, Kirbuk....now read her name backwards
I love this movie. It's underappreciated. I find the ending very emotional. Everything from HAL's responses to the "final message."
About once a year, I put the "All these worlds..." quote on Facebook. About 5 people understand what it means.
Always the waterworks for me when Floyd’s monologue talks of the people of two suns meeting the people from before
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke
That's a great quote!
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo.
I’m glad to see this film getting new life in this generation. People throw it off because it didn’t feel like Kubrick’s film. And yes I really wish they would pick back up with the books and make 2061 and 3001 into films.
I know I'm late to this one - but while 2061 could make for a good movie overall, 3001 was a pretty not great novel to begin with and I feel would make for a pretty bad movie without some major changes. But I would love to see the series continue, even though it's been you know, 30 something years.
The director, Peter Hyams, was in contact with Arthur C Clarke on a near daily basis during filming thanks to a dedicated computer link to Sri Lanka. There is a rival Chinese mission in the book. I always tell people to watch The Europa Report which covers a lot of same ground that the omitted mission did in the book.
Hyams was a solid, if not exceptional, director who made a number of entertaining movies. His Sci Fi film, Outland, may have paved the way to 2010. His Capricorn One, is a popular film that also deals with the space program. Other films from him that I liked are the buddy cop movie, Running Scared, and the WW2 romance/adventure, Hanover Street.
Love that he was in so close contact with the author. Maybe that’s why narratively it fit so well as a sequel. 👏
I came here to praise Peter Hyams as well. I've seen a lot of his movies in the theater. I love Capricorn One, the perfect conspiracy film. I have a soft spot for Hanover Street, Harrison Ford was my hero as a kid. I think Running Scared is the best buddy cop picture, Billy Crystal and the late great Gregory Hines are perfect together. They were real life best friends.
@@reesebn38 Hanover Street is very entertaining. Ford and Christopher Plummer (another favorite actor) are great together in the scenes behind enemy lines. I also love that scene where Ford and Leslie Anne Down compete for a spot on a bus. It's a great throwback to a golden age Hollywood romance film.
@@richardb6260 I love this movie!! I am such a sucker for WWII romance. The music too is so beautiful too!! Thanks again John Barry. Both scenes you said are perfect. I was so in love with Leslie Anne Down ever since I saw her in The Pink Panther Strikes Back. Peter Hyams said Harrison Ford was great to work with, that he was up for anything. I think Harrison and Leslie had an affair too. I saw her on a talk show back in 79, She was just crushing so hard over him.
@@reesebn38 I think "Harrison Ford is great to work with" is the standard response from directors. I met Peter Weir (he actually came into the video store where I worked at the time) and he said the same about working with Ford on Mosquito Coast.
A couple of Leslie Anne Down movies I can recommend are The Great Train Robbery with Sean Connery and Rough Cut with Burt Reynolds. A truly beautiful actress.
"Dolphins in space" made me think you should definitely watch The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy if you haven't seen it already. It's also based on a novel.
Damn right and thanks! For all the fish xD
Noted! The only thing I know from that movie is the significance of 42…
@@CasualNerdReactions should always have a towel handy, too.
Or coincidentally Seaquest DSV
I enjoyed all 5 of the books in the Hitchhiker's trilogy. All the ideas make reading them a good experience. All the ideas can't fit in a movie.
"2010's gonna be awesome!"
You really do have the most delightful reactions.
🤣 thanks!
The movie cuts out a good portion of the book, but it still hangs together narratively, and is a great story altogether. And being able to see Keir Dullea/Dave Bowman looking exactly as he did in his space suit when we last saw him in the previous movie sixteen real years earlier was amazing. The always amazing Helen Mirren as the commander of the Leonov was excellent casting and she did great playing the contrasting opposing military commander to the scientific commander of the American crew. The cast was excellent, the music was excellent, and the story was excellent. It was not the cinematic masterpiece that 2001 was, but it never could have been, and if they had tried to replicate the feel and tone of 2001 it would have been a travesty.
And I always liked the harsh breathing in the external suit scenes. Since space is silent all one could hear in a suit is the noises within the suit, and one's breathing might sound very loud and harsh indeed, especially when one is under the strain of knowing that a relatively thin suit is all that is keeping one from the gruesome death that awaits in the void of space. 😵💫
Read the book. The book is excellent, even if it is quite different from the movie in some ways. I read 2061 and was not as pleased with it, so I'd suggest stopping after reading 2010.
As always, great work, great reaction, and I agree with you about the great quote: Sometimes the answers are bigger than the questions. 🙂 Reminds me of something my dad often told me: Sometimes the only answer is more questions.
I liked the film 2010 a lot, but I wish they had spent a bit more time on stating that Europa had life. In the book, a Chinese spacecraft lands on Europa and gets attacked by a seaweed monster. That establishes that Europa has primitive life forms. Here, the Leonov probe gets close to Europa, finds something moving, and the probe gets destroyed. It is not clear whether Europa has life, or if the probe was destroyed by the monolith aliens.
@@gordondavis6168 The Leonov's probe essentially does what we read in the final chapter of the book, in which the monolith essentially stands guard over the new life growing on Europa, shooting down a probe that does not heed the earlier warning.
“Will I dream?”
“I don’t know.”
This movie had me crying for a computer, and I like it so much better than 2001.
I loved the contrast between the sad, tender way Chandra said it and the brisk, reassuring way he lied to SAL earlier, telling her of course she'll dream. Having just told HAL the truth about his death, he simply couldn't keep lying to his son anymore. It plays like a deathbed conversation, and it's heartbreaking.
I agree with both comments. That exchange hurts.
Don't worry, in the book sequels 2061 and 3001, both HAL and Dave return in a different form and both receive a better send off.
Machines don't have feelings and don't die.
An amazing exchange and Bob Balaban and Douglas Rain nailed it.
Two other movies from this director I would recommend are Outland with Sean Connery and Capricorn One with James Brolin. Both are great genre films.👍
I love both of those films. Highly recommended.
Liked Outland. Don't know if I have seen Capricorn.
I love Capricorn One!!
I just watched Capricorn One. It wasn't bad. I saw it years ago I think but I didn't remember much. Got OJ in it.
Outland is also a great underrated scifi movie.
I remember one of my rewatches of this movie and thinking: “Holy Shit! That’s Helen Mirren!”
She's of Russian heritage in part, so that helped.
What a great reaction video! Turning "2061" into a sequel would be interesting, though it's probably unlikely. On the other hand, now that Denis Villeneuve appears to be tackling "Rendezvous with Rama", who knows if there might be more interest in Arthur C. Clarke's material. I'd be in for it.
There's always a chance, although there seems to be a better chance of jumping right to 3001.
I would dearly love to see some really great adaptations of Clarke and Asimov. Both wrote incredibly good stuff, often FAR ahead of their time.
INTERESTING FACT --- The old man sitting on the bench on the left side of the screen (at 3:37 in the video) is actually Arthur C. Clarke
Arthur Clarke was an amazing writer
A far, FAR, better movie than any sequel to the ultra-classic "2001: A Space Odyssey" has any right to be, it benefits from a perfectly acceptable Arthur C. Clarke storyline, some great visuals, and terrific direction from the very underrated Peter Hyams (check out Outland, his "High Noon in Space" which came a few years earlier.) Great reaction, thank you!
Thanks for doing this. I always thought this movie was extremely underrated and thought it was a true spiritual sequel to the ideas of the first movie. Scheider is great in this role.
For a sequel to 2001, it's amazing how good this turned out.
I loved this and the next books of 2061 and 3001. The Bowman scenes were so chilling and I was hooked after that.
I always thought this movie was unfairly maligned. One of my favorite quotes about it from a reviewer was: “This may be the only movie I know of that has been universally panned for having a plot!” 😁
THis is the movie that got me interested in 2001 in 1984. Most reviewers have a hard time letting themselves enjoy it. I love how much you like and enjoy it. And I love HAL because of this story. Thanks!
I saw this movie first when I was a child. It wouldn't be until a couple years later that I would finally see 2001... and honestly, I didn't enjoy it as much. It wouldn't be until I was much older that I could appreciate the visual aspects more,... but even then, it would only be the events of 1999 (in orbit and on the moon).
Really to bad we never got 2061: Odyssey Three. With 3001: The Final Odyssey as the final installment.
I completely agree! I read somewhere that a series is in development based on 3001 which could be great, but will they fill in the gap of 2061 or ignore it? I want the whole experience.
Having read 2061, I think it's better it was never filmed. That was Clarke simply fulfilling a contract without much of a story to tell.
First, I would like for them to remake 2010 (they can simply call it "Odyssey Two") in order to be closer to the book. Namely, the Tsien spacecraft subplot, and not reversing the order of events with Europa, as the probe being shot down was supposed to be at the end, and the blast was supposed to come from the small monolith.
21:00 HAL's lying driving him crazy was explored in the book of 2001.
There is so much that was described in the book that Kubrick deliberately left out of the film. And then he had the balls to criticize this film for revealing too much. If anybody should be criticized, it should be Kubrick
I really enjoy 2010. I think it takes a lot of flack because 2001 is considered one of the "all time greats" and an artistic masterpiece. Where as this is a more traditional film. But I think it's a very good one.
I don't think this great film should be penalized because it isn't as artsy as the original. I get it, but I don't agree. Glad you enjoy it too!
@@CasualNerdReactions 100%. It should be judged on its merits not compared to something else. And this film does exactly what it needs to. It's not about the discovery of some form of alien life. That is a known factor now. The unknown is what the hell happened, why did the computer kill the crew? Can it be trusted? What is going on at Jupiter. It also dealt with the then extremely relevant cold war. As the Russian scientist puts it at the start: "Our governments are at war. We are not." Scientists have long put aside borders and politics and cooperated. And having Americans working with a Russian crew on a Russian ship was a HUGE deal at the time. That in and of itself suggested hope for the future.
One thing the book makes clear, that the movie only alludes to, (at least for me) is that HAL was not destroyed along with the Discovery. At David Bowman's request, HAL was transformed into a "Starchild" as well to be a companion for Bowman.
Oh wow! That's quite the system upgrade, really cool. The movie definitely left it vague, but interesting.
I'm okay with that part being vague, rather than the first movie which left EVERYTHING vague, lol
The line "My god its full of stars" comes from the 2001 book.. it was Bowman last sent words right as he entered the Monolith.. however Stanley Kubrick decided to not use any dialog in the last act of the movie (Jupiter and beyond infinite) so it got "lost" but it was used in 2010
BTW, during the aerobraking, you would hear it because the ship is entering the outer atmosphere of Jupiter so there would be sound.
The Russian lady with dr Floyd during the Jupiter breaking - Natasha Schneider - she was a member of Queens of the Stone Age when she died of Breast cancer in 2011.
I literally had tears with the message at the end. It reminded me of how close we really are to destroying ourselves. This type of event may be our cure.
It is nice that, unlike most other movies where the threat of alien invasion gets us to stop fighting amongst ourselves, THIS time the alien influence was positive and hopeful.
HAL's Voice - Douglas James Rain
SAL's Voice - Candice Bergen
The interior look and feel of the Russian spaceship was created by the late "Syd Mead" who was an American industrial designer and neo-futurist concept artist, widely known for his designs for futuristic cars for the US auto manufacturers and hardware for science-fiction films such as Blade Runner, Aliens and Tron. Mead has been described as "the artist who illustrates the future" and "one of the most influential concept artists and industrial designers of our time.
Also, remember, that HAL actually bragged on international TV (not only about himself but about the entire line of 9000 series computers) being 100% perfect. So, now he had the entire line of 9000 computers reputation to defend on his shoulders - and yet he got caught making an error. He had to eliminate all witnesses.
If there's one thing that definitely dates the movie, it's that the Cold War is still going on in 2010.
Of course, it's hard to blame 1980s screenwriters for believing it would continue into the 21st Century. At the time of filming, there didn't seem to be an end in sight. It might seem odd in hindsight given that the Soviet Union ended just 7 years after this film was released.
Saw this in the theatre when it came out, i was 14 and it was the cooolest movie I've ever seen. The effects were so awesome and i loved how deep the story was. It taught me to expect more from my sci fi. That spacewalk though... Ugh torturous in the theatre.
2010 was made in 1984 which had the US and USSR (Soviet Union) was still in the "cold war" which had ALOT of mistrust on both sides. This is a VERY important thing to remember when watching this movie as well as if you decide to ever watch the HBO series Chernobyl. I personally LOVE Helen Mirren's Russian accent. I think she must have listened to her paternal grandparents very well. This is one of my favorite movies from the mid-80s. It brings up good memories of watching it with my mother whenever we would run across it. Thank you for reacting to it, it is not one that a lot of reactors do. And that is a shame because it is such a great movie.
It's possible for you to to edit your comment to fix "1684" to "1984".
The Russian accent of Mirren's character is not of Russian origin. It's still plausible, if her native (primary) language was not Russian, such as maybe Estonian or Ukrainian (West Ukrainian dialect), if she grew up in Estonia or western Ukraine. Something like that.
05:35 The filmmakers had a little 'help'; this was about 5 years after Voyager 1 and 2 made their flyby of the Jovian system, and the filmmakers had all of the color photographs to draw upon to create the matte paintings and VFX shots of Jupiter and the surrounding area.
Interestingly, the book 2001 was supposed to be at Saturn. But since the rings were too difficult to pull off with the visual effects of the time, they changed it to Jupiter. And thank goodness they did, because THIS movie took full advantage of how awe-inspiring the swirling storms of the gas giant can be. I don't know if the big black spot moment would have quite the same impact with Saturn. It helps being able to see all the swirling patters of red and white sucking into it.
I do like this movie. It is very well done but the promise of "Something Wonderful" caused me to expect something a bit more visually. It built up such great anticipation only for it to just be a simple message. I love watching your reactions. You are so fun, full of innocence, wonder, good sense and emotion.
@@karlwest437 Right? Utterly awe inspiring, and fully delivering on a "sense of wonder" level. It was also rather a big slap in the face to humans - "pack your crap in, you're not all that."
"We have seen the process of life take place" that is as wonderful as wonderful gets
Basically Clarke suggested that Jupiter was a failed star that needed igniting. The third book was 2063...
So glad you watched this. It is different than 2001 in many ways, but very worthy. It connects to the earlier story very well and tells its own stories. HAL not only wasn't the bad guy, it was a hero. Every actor sold it, the visuals were great, the backdrop made total sense and served as the perfect platform for the plot to progress.
That set of giant radio dishes at the start of the movie comprise the Very Large Array, VLA, here in my state of New Mexico. I've been there a couple times. It's a magnificent place & area. They also used the VLA in Contact (Jodie Foster). Each dish is the size of a pro baseball infield. They have at least 27 of them, which they move around on railroad track over a 30 mile area, depending on what they're listening for. The array acts as one big dish, so imagine a dish that's 30 miles across.
Your enthusiasm for the film is cool to watch. You remind me so much of a friend. There's a lot of inconsistencies between 2001 and 2010. Some due to budget restraints, the others are kinda baffling. Its a good film, but there's so much more in the book. If you are interested, the director of the film (Peter Hyams) made a couple more cool sci fi movies, notably Capricon One. Its about a faked first landing on Mars.
The novel of the film (2010: Odyssey Two) is a fantastic read. It follows the same basic story, with much more detail and a few key differences (no US/USSR conflicts, etc.. ) Well worth picking it up. The third book is 2061: Odyssey Three. I didnt dig it as much. 3001: The Final Odyssey was really enjoyable but a bit too short.
I always hated that they stuck a keyboard and a tv monitor in HAL's core.
A couple of trivia about the movie:
1) The movies was made during the height of the cold war between Russia and the United States during the 80's. A few of the actors who were playing the Russians were actual Russian actors who had defected.
2) Whenever you see a label on the Discovery but can't see it well enough to actually read it, it's a snippet of the Zero-G Toilet instructions from the first movie.
5:07 Floyd's wife dropping the wine glass into the kitchen sink calls back to Dave Bowman shattering his wine glass on the floor: it's the completion of the arc of the upward sailing bone, which is on its way downwards when it's match cut into the satellite, but we never see the bone fall to the earth, except when Dave does in the form of the wine glass, or Mrs. Floyd does, here.
I'd say I was speculating, but, my god, it's a wine glass breaking, both times.
The line of Clarke in the novel about the threat of weapons tools is this: "But as long as they existed, he was living on borrowed time."
I was 16 when this came out and I'd had 4 years to geek out on 2001 (I'd seen it age 9 on its second major release in 1977 after Star Wars came out). I had really, really high expectations for it. I had read the novel at least a hundred times. It was my Huckleberry Finn.
I wasn't disappointed. Neither were most moviegoers. The movie earned and retained positive reviews.
p.s. I live right next to (and am a graduate of) the University of Louisville, and also Churchill Downs, both mentioned in the Helen Mirren / Roy Schieder scene, and of course all of us who saw the movie in Louisville, in 1984 cheered when Heywood mentions our basketball, bourbon, and our "big, big horse race."
Europa is where primitive live was just beginning. But it needed more light and energy to evolve well. That is why the alien intelligence ignited Jupiter into a sun to give life to Europa. The warning to Earth was to keep humans from messing up Europa's new life forms. The last scene is of a monolith on Europa doing the same thing it did on Earth 4 million years earlier - encouraging evolution of intelligence.
I don't think they made a movie of the sequel to this one, but there is a sequel book where the alien intelligence decides to cancel the Europa experiment and stop Jupiter from being a sun.
More on dolphins in space: The Enterprise on Star Trek TNG had a section of ship for dolphins and whales for help with navigation. The technical manual lists a "Cetacean Navigation Lab," and states that 12 bottlenose dolphins were aboard the Enterprise along with a pair of Takaya's Whales who "supervised". We never see it but it is referenced more than once in the show.
haha that's crazy. I wonder if seeing it would have changed anyones opinion of the show.
The VFX were done by Boss Film Studios, whom did VFX work for GHOSTBUSTERS, Masters Of The Universe, The Monster Squad, Poltergeist 2, Fright Night, Big Trouble In Little China, DIE HARD, THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER, Ghost, ALIEN 3, BATMAN RETURNS, TRUE LIES, Outbreak, WaterWorld, StarShip Troopers, AIR FORCE ONE, and Species.
I always thought the monoliths as being a human-safe representation of the alien intelligence. Maybe their true forms would drive us mad or just kill us outright, so they made the monoliths to protect us. Dave Bowman somehow survived his encounter and became part of them. A great film. Someday I need to read the 3rd book.
If you’ve read one of Arthur C. Clarke’s other novels, “Childhood’s End”, you would see that the aliens in that story were very cognizant of the fact that their appearance would be a cause of great concern to the people of Earth. They hung around the skies of Earth for generations before revealing themselves.
And then the 4th book....it's amazing.
@@leslauner5062 I forgot there were 4!
@@scottstevens7639 Phenomenal book. And the 3 part TV series was a pretty solid adaptation of it.
I guess the only way to survive this, probably was to become one of them.
As a kid in the 80s I couldn't get into 2001 but I was fascinated with this movie. Back when the year 2010 and me being in my 30s seemed so far in the future, this seemed like an intriguing depiction of what space missions could be like. The politics with Russia made it feel that much more real.
I wish they'd make a 4K UHD restoration of this, but it might not be popular enough for that to ever happen.
If they do that, It would be an interesting bonus if they could make an *optional* alternate remix of the audio that removes unrealistic sounds in the space scenes. It might give the movie a different feel, I'd love to try watching it that way.
I have no idea if the raw audio sources still exist to do that though. They might only have the final mixed audio, which would make it difficult to selectively remove individual sounds.
A full 4K (or why not 8K) release would be great, and should be timed to some anniversary related to the Arthur C. Clark, the "2001", or the "2010" movie. A re-release in cinemas would be just awesome.
somehow this has gotten a bad rep for not measuring up to the original (An impossible task). I thought then as I do today, that it is an excellent, solid enjoyable movie on its own, with great performances and SFX. Thanks for watching it!
I completely agree, Gary!
So this film is a sequel, based on a book that was in turn a sequel to the first film rather than the first book. A lot of themes carry over from the book, but the first film was pure visual story telling with dialog only where necessary to drive the story further along. The director of this film knew he could never match Kubrick and his style, so made the decision to not try. He got both Kubrick and Clarke's blessing with Kubrick telling him to make the film his own. It's storytelling matches more of the straightforward storytelling of the book and I feel, it's what is necessary for this film. dabe1971 in the comments below says much the same and it's one of the things I really appreciate about this film.
A detail they absolutely didn't have to put in this film is the yellow dust covering the Discovery. Io is the most volcanically active body in the solar system. And volcanoes there spew molten sulfur. Due to the low gravity the eruptions can reach 200 miles or more from the surface. So Discovery would be covered by sulfur dust as it flies through some of these erupting plumes.
Aerobraking would be terrifying. You're basically turning yourself into an artificial asteroid, hoping you did the math right so that you don't burn up, or skip off the atmosphere into deep space. It's a very narrow margin.
You can see the stress and worry on Dr. Chandra's face as he has to decide whether to lie or tell the truth to HAL. As he tries to figure out how HAL will react. And this is a key part of us creating AI now... if it becomes able to think and make decisions on its own, how do situations like this play out? Does it deserve the truth? How will it react to situations that put it in danger, etc. Questions we have to think about. That scene is extremely well done... you feel the tension from HALs completely calm voice while asking terrifying questions on an extremely short deadline.
I wish the Leonov remained closer to the way it was described in the book. The entire front end was a detachable conical ablative heat shield, specifically for aerobraking (which they would detach once its job was finished). The smaller spacecraft built for speed (as its job was to get to Jupiter, and the Discovery FAST) hence its smaller size and its lack of amenities like artificial (spin) gravity.
... also... the interior layout we see on screen DOES NOT fit within the structure of the Leonov in any way, shape, or form.
@@k1productions87Yeah, they changed the aerobraking method from an ablative shield to a ballute. Which had, since writing, become a major idea for the process as well as re-entry. So that was cool as an update to match current thinking. And there's a whole raft of spaceship interiors that just don't fit the external shape or design of a ship. It's not about being physically correct many times... it's about a look, a style, or what can we physically get the camera into and around. There are constraints when filming something in the real world. Which is why more modern films more often get the interior right. Smaller cameras with less cables, supports, etc.
@@mycroft16 The Ballute wouldn't be bad if the main engines weren't still fully exposed the entire time.
@@k1productions87 hindsight. Remember what year it was that they made this movie in. It was a fairly new thing.
@@mycroft16 hardly. It's not like 1968 when we hadn't yet landed a man on the moon or anything. The Space Shuttle had already flown for years, and we knew what a heat shield was. Further... thinking exposed parts in front of the shield might be dangerous is not at all a product of the time... As we've known this for literally THOUSANDS of years, since shields were first used in war
I’ve always thought this film was highly underrated!
I didn't like this movie when it was first released. It was so radically different from 2001 I just couldn't get my head around it. It took me a good 30 years to fully appreciate how great it really is and how well it completes the story. Both films have aged incredibly well and are a delight to watch.
4:34 "Can we bring Dolphins into space?" Take a look at the Uplift Series of books by David Brin, specifically "Startide Rising" (1983). I've been reading David Brin's books since "The Postman" (1985) and "Sundiver" (1980). Earth in this time is a rather backward world among the existing star civilizations. Some see Terrans as a "Wolfling" race that should be quarantined; others are more hopeful. Earth's version of the Encyclopedia Galactica is a slim volume, compared to more ancient space faring races.
After he mentioned dolphins in space, I started scrolling through the comments to see if anyone mentioned Startide Rising. A wonderful book. One of my all-time favorite science fiction novels.
Another "way better than it has any right to be" sequel to a classic is Psycho 2, if you haven't seen it.
This movie is awesome, the writing, acting, effects everything, I believe I saw at the theater anyway thanks I’m enjoying your fun positive reaction reviews and analysis
This movie contains one of the most well done "creepy lines" in movie history.
"I was once David Bowman."
"I can't accept that identification without proof"
"I understand. It is important that you believe me. Look behind you."
"You can see in his face he's thinking, "You know, I don't really need proof that badly."
The wonder and excitement in your face is just priceless!
Completely agree with your analysis. Very different cinematic experiences, but a cohesive narrative nonetheless.
I was 23 when this came out and I saw it in theatre. I felt so mature watching Roy Scheiders role and understanding his bridge between politics and science.
It really is all too close.
As a "Storyline successor" to 2001, this movie is really good. I get that a lot of people don't like it, but IMHO they try to hold it up to the esoteric view, and that doesn't work. I look at them as two very different movies (from a cinematic sense) that tell an overall story arc. Also, this wasn't my first "Helen Mirren" movie. That honour went to "Excalibur"(which I highly recommend!). But I digress.
Anyway.... 2001 and 2010 are good movies, and make for a nice "double feature" if you're inclined to watch them back to back. 2010 really delves into WHY the HAL-9000 did what he did. Which actually makes sense if you consider that HAL is a "logic based" machine. You "force" a lie out of something incapable of lying.... of course it's going to malfunction and attempt to reconcile between the two polar opposites.
"2010" is "2001" from the perspective of humans who have to go on living their everyday lives. On the one hand there is all this crazy amazing stuff going on, on the other you still got to take out the trash. So it provides a really nice contrast to "2001".
Fun fact #1: In the scene in front of the White House, the old man on the left of the screen feeding the birds is actually Arthur C. Clarke, the author of these books and films.
Fun fact #2: When we see the cover of Time Magazine in the hospital, the two world leaders pictured are actually Arthur C. Clarke (again) and Stanley Kubrick, the director of 2001.
This sequel gets A LOT of hate from certain "elitists" who probably "expect more of the same" ... but many of them WERENT THERE in the 60s-80s and did not know the political climate. I grew up in West-Berlin in the early 70s ... and IMO this movie is BRILLIANT, because it seems TIMELESS ... and just looking at the current "kerfuffle" in eastern europe and knowing the real reason why it started ... I have to say that POLITICS NEVER CHANGE.
This was a sensible, enjoyable, well-made sequel....but it doesn't have the bizarre sense of surreal mystery and the utterly mind-blowing special effects (even compared to this day and age) that Kubrick's 2001 had. Also director Peter Hyams' previous movie was a space adventure called "Outland," starring Sean Connery, which was pretty suspenseful. It takes place on Jupiter's moon Io. With its grungy-yet-futuristic look and feel, Outland felt like the same movie-universe as Alien, with many of the same technical crew. Including Alien's composer Jerry Goldsmith. You may find that space movie rather amusing/interesting to watch.
You should read all four of the books. They not only explain things the movies do not but 2010 especially is much more dramatic and explains the situation on Europa far better. The first book explains the ending better than the movie but may be confusing because it takes place at Saturn rather than Jupiter. The third book was not as good as 2010 imo but would still make an excellent movie. The fourth and final book I think must have inspired Futurama; and not because it takes place in the year 3001 either. But I won't spoil it for you. I like it though.
Btw at 10:35 it *does* make sense that you would "hear that". I assume you are thinking that sound does not travel in a vacuum, but they're not *in* a vacuum when they're *aerobraking.* The air is still very thin yes; but *not* so thin that the ship whooshing along above Jupiter wouldn't carry sound. Just as it's not too thin to *slow them down.*
21:25 - The reveal that HAL's programming was altered was revealed in the first book, but not until the second movie. So fans of the book knew that secret for almost two decades longer than the movie-only viewers did.
Those gorgeous shots of Jupiter and its moons were very much influenced by the then-recent success of the Voyager probes, launched in 1979, which by 1984 had returned spectacular color close ups of the Jovian system, revolutionizing our knowledge of the King of Planets and its consort moons. So the Jupiter, Europa and Io depicted in 2010 were based on right-up-to-the-minute scientific knowledge. Both Voyagers are, at the time of this writing (2022), still returning science data from the outer edge of the solar system, more than 40 years after launch. Not bad engineering for the 1970s.
That is truly remarkable!
NASA and JPL are both exceptionally good at what they do. Voyager 2 actually left the solar system on Nov 5, 2018. It had spent a couple of years in the heliopause, the region of space where the Sun's solar wind meets the interstellar wind of the galaxy. Then on 11/5/2018 there was a significant change in magnetic fields, particle and cosmic ray detectors, etc. They had left the solar system behind. Humanity's first interstellar spacecraft. And yeah, it's still sending back data from a distance of 12 billion miles. Arguably the single most successful scientific endeavor of humanity to date. Completely altered our knowledge of our own solar system, turning the textbooks upside down with every photo and measurement it returned.
I adore this movie. I wouldn’t say it’s better than 2001, but I can rewatch this one over and over and I have to be in a very specific mood to watch 2001.
That totally makes sense! 2001 is a movie that demands a certain level of engagement.
the first film probably my favorite of all time. this is good too but there's a major continuity error: heywood floyd says "i didn't authorize anyone to tell HAL about the monolith!" when in the first film there heywood floyd is after Dave disconnected HAL on computer screen, pre-recorded "...known only by HAL onboard, now the truth can be told to you"... also, the "something wonderful" that happens in 2010 is the find a new species. Didn't that happen in the orig film? Always thought that odd. Probably classified!
O well!
Hey Chris, so glad you did this one. Wanted to point out the Arthur C. Clarke and Stanley Kubrick cameos. Here's Clarke's at 3:36 feeding the birds at the far left. And both Clarke and Kubrick are pictured on the magazine cover the nurse was reading. Dolphins in space?!! Dude! If you like reading sci-fi I urge you to start reading Larry Niven's "Known Space" series of novels and short stories. It spans many hundreds, even thousands, of years and all I can say is mentioning dolphins triggered this suggestion. If you don't mind one minor spoiler as to dolphins in his series, I'll tell it to you why I thought of his books, if you want. @ 8:06 Europa is the ice moon of Jupiter that even back in the 80s is thought to possibly harbor life under its ice layer. @ 10:11 Chris. I have a younger brother named Chris and this is his favorite scene! So much so he wanted me to paint it for him. LOL! It is an awesome shot and was even more so in the theater. And this scene here 12:16 looking down at Io made me a little dizzy and put butterflies in my stomach! I know what you mean about sounds in space. Having studied astronomy in the late 60s, one thing that impressed me about 2001 then was the lack of sound when Bowman forced his way back into Discovery and the sound came rushing back as the air filled the airlock. As in Interstellar effects. They add sounds to space scenes because the general public expects it. I just dismiss it and pretend there are no sounds when the Enterprise warps out for example. LOL! I'm sure in future movies, and as the general public understands more how space, and space travel really works there will be more accuracy like Interstellar. They'll have to. @ 26:35 I think they were multiplying, each doubling every 2 minutes from the big one that disappeared. But you mentioned "summoning all the monoliths" like there were others. Yep, you should read the 4 novels is all I'll say! LOL! Another awesome shot was at the very end with the monolith standing guard over Europa. An the mind-boggling thing is that Earth would be in a double-star system forever more. Maybe something like Tatooine. Keep in mind too that "2061" is also the year Halley's Comet returns. You'll get a lot of answers and more details in the novels, and I hope they make movies of the remaining two stories. Glad you enjoy 2010 it was fun watching it again with you. 🖖😁
I had no idea mentioning dolphins in space would invite such interesting trivia and suggestions! haha Definitely want to read all the books now.
@@CasualNerdReactions I suggest starting with a collection of short stories called "Tales of Known Space" because it contains a handy timeline table of other shorts and novels in chronological order. The shorts in the book are designated in the list too. Other novels to get are "The World of Ptavvs" (where you'll meet the dolphins), "Protector" totally awesome story, "Neutron Star" containing more good shorts but longer ones, and the Hugo and Nebula Award winning "Ringworld". These are listed in order and there other good ones in between these too, as you'll see in the timeline. Here is a link to Wiki showing the Ballantine Books cover design of them so if you go into bookstores for these look inside the front and back covers for the black scratch-art artwork of Bonnie Dalzell depicting some of the aliens in Known Space based on Niven's descriptions. Later printings do not have these. After reading these you may wonder why no one has made movies of his great stories. You'll find he writes about serious stuff but sprinkles in a little humor here and there to make it fun to read too. Much like what Spielberg did in many of his movies. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_Known_Space
@@CasualNerdReactions One more thing Chris. You're right! Mentioning dolphins got a lot of commentary! LOL! Dolphins are just very special beings. Here's one more dolphin idea. There's a good old serious scifi you should squeeze in while starting Niven's work and before you get to Ptavvs, "The Day of the Dolphin" (1973) with George C. Scott (of Patton, The Hustler, Dr. Strangelove, etc.) and it's definitely not a "Flipper" story! LOL!
The other two books are 2061, which follows Haywood Floyd, now extremely old, ends up joining together with the being that was David Bowman and HAL.
3001, incredibly, follows Frank Poole, who is discovered in space and is eventually revived.
Clarke made a pretty huge error on this one though, stating that Frank Poole was born in the 1990's. The Jupiter Mission takes place in 2001, and in the book Frank celebrates his 35th birthday.
Though I have heard that a film adaptation for 2061 is in the works, but this was several years back, and I have heard nothing more about it.
This is one of my favorite movies. In my unpopular opinion, it's much better than 2001. I loved Roy Scheider and John Lithgow in this.
I really enjoyed it! It's hard to really compare the two. I think the first might be better, but I'd rather rewatch this one.
Great reaction. You should read David Brin's Uplift books. They have dolphins as crewmembers.
Recognize the British actress playing Soviet commander?
THANK you for doing this reaction vid, your stock value just keeps rising and rising in my books ;)
Whenever I see Dolphins in a movie all I think of is "Day of the Dolphins" the most beautiful movie ever made about Dolphins.
The effects on this were supervised by the great Richard Edlund who was also in charge of films like Die Hard, The Empire Strikes Back, Air Force One, Fright Night & Raiders Of The Lost Ark.
Man’s a legend!
Most agree that TESB, Godfather 2, Aliens & T2 are the best sequels ever made, which I totally agree with. Although 2010 would by most not be considered better than the first film I absolutely think it is & deserves to be mentioned at least slightly next to those other great sequels. It takes what the first film had & continues it but also having it's own style, expanding the story, as any good sequel should. All the characters feel realistic & likable, not like so many characters today that claim they know what they are doing but are anything but realistic (Prometheus is a fine example if we compare characters that are supposed to be astronauts & scientists etc). Even if 2010 is dated in many ways the effects for its time are for the most part not only good but even damn good! Very often it feels you are in space right there with them! Just the fact that the Discovery is covered with dust & ash from Io is a fantastic & realistic detail that most films today would've overlooked. Most of all, though, I LOVE the tension & the great mystery being told in this story. We do get some answers, the ones we need here & now, while the bigger questions remain unanswered. And it's for the better if they are never answered. The Monolith fascinates me & scares the shit out of me! It should never do anything else. Another fine detail that is very hard to miss is that when the ghost of Bowman visits his wife through the TV screen on Earth there are tiny shimmers of light glimmering around her just a little bit now & then as they are talking, the same kind of shimmers many that claim to have seen ghosts noticed was present as well. Just a tiny detail like that makes the mystery & even the scare a lot more palpable, makes it feel more real & also more mysterious at the same time. And when Bowman appears in front of Floyd I love it that he just appears. No flashing lights, the score has gone silent. He changes his looks & we don't see what Floyd sees, again no flashes as modern films likely would have done it. Again, makes it scary, mysterious & fascinating at the same time. I also love that HAL gets absolution, being part of the actual answers we do get in this film. The real villains of 2001 wasn't HAL but the politicians back on Earth that sent HAL instructions that made him go malfunction. Very reminding of how Weyland Yutani do things in the Alien franchise, honestly. Some desk person back home ends up getting people out in space killed for profit & gain. I really love this message, pointing the finger at the true villain. HAL was just as much a victim as the astronauts, they made him a murderer against his own will. That is what I call a twist! Makes perfect sense when it's told to you but before anyone did, who could have thought? And that is why 2010 is a fantastic & very underrated film. But it is dearly beloved by those who know about it, more should check it out. I am very glad you did! This is true sci-fi at its finest & one of the most realistic stories of that genre put to film.
2010: Odyssey Two was developed into a 1984 film and 2061: Odyssey Three was published in 1987 which Tom Hanks had originally expressed interest in producing a film adaptation for MGM with himself cast in the role of Floyd, but it never happened.
Arthur C. Clark is okay, but I highly recommend you read The Three Body Problem (and it's sequels) if you're looking for an awesome sci-fi novel.
Just for info, aerobraking has been done multipletimes, first time in 1991.
Aerobraking for orbital correction in that case.
In theory, and use of atmosphere to slow down a spacecraft is aerobraking, and thus, any capsule (like the ones from Apollo), or even the Spaceshuttle, performed aerobraking when entering the atmosphere from orbital velocity of 9 km/s
Of course, the movie (and book) was made before the first orbital correction aerobraking in 1991...
And anyway, they could also be referring to a manned spacecraft orbital correction aerobraking. We never did anything like that, even less in the scale (ship size and speed AND location) as the movie.
Jupiter became a star, and its moons became planets, forming its own star system.
Thank you for validating this very contentious follow up to the revered original. Stanley Kubrick gave Peter Hyams his blessing to make the movie his own and he achieved just that. He deserves to be commended and I can see that people are coming around to his film.
I always found Clarke to be much better at concepts than narrative or characters, and he kept a decent balance here, playing off the theory (I'm not sure if it's been reconsidered or anything in the decades since the book was published) that Jupiter was essentially a failed star...a celestial body without enough mass to take that final step. Here, to provide Europa with a sun that would support the growth and evolution of the life developing there , the intelligences behind the monoliths caused the monoliths to gather in such vast numbers that Jupiter's mass was increased to the point where gravity would cause the planet to collapse and ignite. I'm explaining the idea poorly I'm sure, but I always loved the notion and the execution.
I read all four books a long time ago. Spoilers (I think) - In the novel 2010, the Americans and Russians were complete allies and China was the antagonizing country. Most of the story played out the same though. All I remember of 2061 was that yes, of course we couldn't help ourselves but go to Europa. And I think in 3001 the aliens decided they'd made a mistake and extinguished Jupiter which put an end to the Jovian system completely.
"Look behind you"
An extremely terrifying thing to hear. Especially delivered so deadpan.
2010 is a wonderful film. I like 2001 but for me 2010 is my type of movie. That whole monologue by Dr Floyd at the end about the people of two suns meeting the people of before gets me every time (almost as emotional as the end of E.T.). The waterworks..
You might enjoy the movie Europa report. It’s really good.
2010 was such a hopeful movie.
Europa Report was quietly terrifying, great movie though 🙂
I enjoyed your reactions. It sounds like you're more familiar with more recent science fiction films, but have you seen: Arrival? Gattaca? Her? Those would be very worthy of seeing.
I actually haven’t seen those! I’ll have to check ‘em out.
“Dave, don’t go”
“I’m already there.”
Another fun fact: Actress Candice Bergen, a huge 2001 fan, voices the SAL-9000 - but is credited as "Olga Mallsnerd", a pseudonym combining the surnames of her husband Louis Malle and Mortimer Snerd, one of her father Edgar Bergen's stage personas.
One thing I'd like to say about the idea about whether movies should be made of 2063: Odyssey Three and 3001: the Final Odyssey: Yes, but only if their tone is matter of fact, not particularly action packed, very pedestrian and run of the mill. The drama, as in the first two movies, should emerge from characters we're interested in, encountering things they strive to understand, and being changed by what they do find. That's the essence of this series for me, and it is my favorite series. There would be awesome special effects sequences in the next two movies, but they would not be Darth Vader killing Aldaraan. This isn't that kind of story.
I definitely agree, and that would perhaps be the greatest danger of someone trying to make those stories today- the temptation to add to twist to keep it “interesting”.
Absolutely 100% underrated sequel. Of course nothing can be compared to 2001 what this film stands on its own and is well worth experiencing.
I remember seeing this in the theater. When Bowman kept saying something wonderful, you better not disappoint. They didn't. In the book, the Soviet Union was less dictatorial. The Soviet and American crews were on more friendly terms
Nice job, Chris. Always fun watching your reactions.
At 3:35 the elderly man sitting on the park bench screen left is none other than Arthur C Clarke.
I love this film.. The moment HAL says 'look behind you, freaks me out every time.'
For real though!
I loved 2010, both the movie and the book. It saddens me that if it was made in our modern era there would be the temptation to "reimagine" elements that might look dated like the Discovery and Hal. Kudos to these people for sticking with the original designs and not feeling tempted to "put their own stamp on things."
Yes! If you’re making a follow up to a classic film I think there are some liberties you can take, but set design should still feel familiar.
I guessed correctly (so far!): I knew you'd be surprised by this one! Because some of us (including myself) were so derisive about this movie in the "2001" comments! But this was never a "bad" movie; I think you will find it does not stick in your head as much, it's not as distinctive a movie, but it's certainly not terrible, and it's always great to see Roy Scheider in anything so it's got that, if nothing else. What I'm happy about: you WAITED to watch this, you didn't watch it two days after watching "2001". So both movies stand on their own merits, as opposed to watching them back-to-back, where the stylistic differences are glaring.
Honestly, I get a little irritated (okay, not a little) at people who poo-pooh 2010 as if it hadn't been written by the same guy who wrote 2001. That's how I know those people aren't science fiction fans, but rather Kubrick fans. Because no fan of science fiction as a genre would denigrate the work of Arthur C. Clarke, no matter who was directing the film.
Oh yea, watching this right after 2001 would be a bit odd because of the differences, but sitting in the story for a month and then diving in worked well!
Actually, while this one did surprise me I put this one in the category of wanting more, because I know there are two more books and feel like they deserve to have their story on the big screen too.
@@seraiharper5553 Well, you're wrong on a number of counts, because "2001" was written by Clarke AND Kubrick together, and the novel was based on their screenplay, not the other way around. And LOTS of great authors have their work made into lousy movies. So, with all due respect, those arguments don't hold much water. And Clarke is not infallible; I didn't care for any of the "2001" sequels in book form. Love Clarke and Kubrick, but I'm not sycophantic about either (I despise "Eyes Wide Shut", for instance, and don't care for the second half of "Full Metal Jacket).
love this movie. it's one that typically isn't mentioned. but, for me, it's just great. glad you enjoyed it.
Definitely a great film and a worthy sequel in my book.
It seems you missed all the God overtones in what was happening. Don't you remember Dr Floyds narration at the end? "We were only tenants of this world. We have been given a new lease, and warning, from the Landlord"