Power of the Bishop Pair | Leela Chess Zero vs Houdini | TCEC CUP2 Finals
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Leela Zhess Zero vs Houdini
TCEC Season 14
Queen's Gambit Declined: Semi Slav Defense (D31)
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 c6 4. Nc3 dxc4 5. a4 Bb4 6. e3 b5 7. Bd2 a5 8. axb5 Bxc3 9. Bxc3 cxb5 10. b3 Bb7 11. Bb2 Nf6 12. bxc4 b4 13. Bd3 O-O 14. O-O Nbd7 15. Nd2 Qc7 16. Bc2 h6 17. Re1 Rfe8 18. h3 e5 19. d5 Nb6 20. e4 Rec8 21. Rc1 Nfd7 22. Re3 a4 23. Rg3 g6 24. Qh5 Kh7 25. Qf3 f6 26. h4 Qd6 27. h5 g5 28. Qf5+ Kh8 29. f4 a3 30. Ba1 Qe7 31. fxe5 31... Nxe5 32. Bb3 Nbd7 33. Nf3 Qh7 34. Qh3 Rf8 35. Nxe5 Nxe5 36. Re3 Ba6 37. Qg3 Rae8 38. Bd4 Qg7 39. Bc5 Rb8 40. Bd6 Rfd8 41. Bxb8 Rxb8 42. Ree1 Qd7 43. Red1 Kg7 44. c5 Bb5 45. Qe3 Ng4 46. Qh3 Ra8 47. Re1 Rf8 48. Bd1 Ne5 49. Qxd7+ Bxd7 50. Re3 Rc8 51. c6 Be8 52. Rb1 Nc4 53. Rd3 Nb2 54. Rb3 a2 55. R3xb2 axb1=B 56. Rxb1 b3 57. Bg4 Rxc6 58. dxc6 Bxc6 59. Rxb3 Kf7 60. Bf5 Ke7 61. Kf2 Be8
Final
Leela versus Houdini then.
Leela again seemed in control of the game and defended without any problems when she was with black and with white created some problems for Houdini but without anything much more than just applying some pressure where Houdini managed to draw eventually.
So after first 7 games were draws, last game(8) before tiebreaks, was a very sharp and double edged opening Leela decided to get into, where she played some nice speculative attacking moves trying to apply pressure to the weak Kingside so Houdini had to be very careful, even though Houdini had a very strong counterplay with 2 advanced passed Pawns on the Queenside so Leela should had that in mind too. But Houdini played 2 suboptimal moves that can maybe even characterized as mistakes or blunders, but not that obvious mistakes though and more analysis is needed as position is crazy complicated, and Leela grasped the chance to attack! The attack went great and Leela played some nice attacking Chess and she played move 31 playing fxe5 with a +3.16 score while Houdini was at +0.47 and Stockfish dev 176 threads (that was kibitzing the game) didn't see fxe5 and was preferring 31.Rf1 with +1.11. After Leela played 31.fxe5 and after 2 more moves having been played the 176 thread Stockfish jumped to +3.03 seeing indeed that Leela's move was sound and superb.
After that it was more or less over so Leela went on to win and win the final and the CUP!
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Vast knowledge 0:00
First move 1:22
Completely new game 3:55
Bro which country are you from?
It always has to be you, thanks for the classifications but I always watch the full video, it's all wonderful
I agree , completely new game isnt something super interesting
First cool moment in the game 4:50
9:42 "Stockfish was watching the game and says..."
me : dafuk... xd
16:05 "as a joke Houdini promotes to a bishop..."
me : started freacking out!
There will be a day where chess AI make memes..
Was about to comment this.
"Stockfish was watching the game." Imagine Stockfish calling Komodo and asking "wanna watch a game together" 😂😂😂
Leela is similar to AlphaZero, but since she’s female she has a nicer pair.
Of bishops.
They have potential to hurt but they dont 😂
Bishops are more into kids as they say...
@@piiodermatt2954 OMG, don't EVEN go there! : /
Yes, she does have nicer eyes!
And people wonder why there are so few female AI chess players.
"And Stockfish who was watching the games was like, 'nah, its not that impressive' "
When Agad's got you, he's got you:-D
Chess engines making jokes? Are we ok with this?
IKR
As much as I like the idea of it making a joke, it probably promoted to the lowest value piece because it had already calculated it would be captured. I know it makes no difference to humans but a computer program would just know that losing a bishop is better than losing a queen.
@@SquinkyThreepwood *sigh of relief*
Thx! That's an interesting insight. And I'm not ready for the day when chess engines are funnier than chess masters. :)
@@SquinkyThreepwood Here's the problem, though. Chess engines value bishops more than knights. So the question becomes why did it not promote the pawn to a knight? We might come up with an explanation for that, as well. A knight has different uses compared to a bishop, a rook or a queen. In that case, maybe Houdini calculated that LcZero might not capture the knight and there would be a completely different game, possibly - somehow - to Houdini's disadvantage. I honestly don't know. It's worth thinking about, though. Was the move really a joke? Or was it product of some sort of calculation?
I suspect the reality is a little closer to simply a form of gambit (offer to not recapture in this case), where the bishop was the most likely to be accepted of all pieces, that wouldnt by houdini's estimates disadvantage it over have the piece needing to be recaptured.
I have a question: When Antonio says this position has never been reached before, does that mean that at that particular move number that position was not reached? i mean, can a game that has not been reached transpose into one that has right? Just asking, any feed would be great. Spectacular channel by the way.
This is an interesting question. Please like the original comment so that agadmator or someone else with vast knowledge could answer!
I believe the comparison is done against position alone (regardless of the way it got there). In some of the games he mentioned that the position was in the DB but achieved via the different move order.
This is a great question. So yes, theoretically we can go from a unique game to one that has been seen before, this happens most often near endgames, where certain pawn configurations and other factors make it much more likely. However, transposition does happen with openings and some declined gambit lines. Short answer, yes they can do that exact thing.
Ignacio Perez Parra It means that particular position was never reached before but does not mean that on next move it would be a position that never happened before. There was a game few weeks ago in which position was new but already on the next move it was position that was found in data and was played before, but Antonio dis specified it in that case with something like “ This position is never reached before but here we have,En passant so on the next move its still as if someone just captured here” . I think that once it reaches new position it has almost to 0 chance that on few next moves it will be exact same position as some other before that in history. Otherwise Antonio would mention it like he did in his video before.
Thanks for the feedback Its been very helpfull.
Please don't scroll down ...I beg you...please
In the spirit of Mikhail Tal ..
How can we miss that.
Thanks Antonio and his fans for the like....
To Misha!
Sacrifice the queen by the tenth move
@@argeon6969 that'd be some Tal chess
Leela chess zero vs Houdini analysed using... Stockfish.
Stockfish is plenty strong, that's why it's in the superfinals. The match against Alpha0 was skewed, the hardware power was really unbalanced.
@@LuxTheSlav the first match yes, the second 2018 not.
The only missing link is an Antonio-Zero to make commentaries on that for us mere mortals on UA-cam!
Stockfish was just watching the game, wanting to see Houdini embarrassing himself.
I realize Im kinda randomly asking but does anyone know a good place to watch newly released movies online?
I like how he narates the all thing as if the engine's were humans^^
is there anymore alpha zero game left?
btw plz consider showing the Original Traxler Attack by carl Traxler
Great quote "The position plays itself" (From 12:23 for some context)
Leela is alphazero's girlfriend
Don't tell that to Kingcrusher, he'll be jealous!
Burhan Qerimi I thought they are siblings 😅
@@jerry6830 😂😂😂😂😂nice one
@@jerry6830 SWEET HOME ALAMABA
yea! leela is alphazeros girlfriend!!!!!!!! leela and alpha sitting in a tree...
k-i-s-s-i-n-g, .....
Nice work agadmator, You are just awesome in explaining the intention behind every move
Thanks for all you do agadmator. We appreciate everything!
Another great video by Agad! I started to follow engine games much more after your analysis.
Greeting from Antarctica!
Great chess channel abc chess analysis ^,^
Keep up the good work abc...Subscribe +1
#question What do you think about chess boxing?
Uncivilized Crap
Chess Engine's saga is also amazing. Engines have theyr old masters, a pro elite group, some legends, challengers, a world champion, a super world champion. That's just so cool to see them competing and creating theyr history.
And Agadmator, you was really great on this video.
Leela piece coordination is perfect
Against Starcraft it sounded like Deep Mind was making moves at far beyond human speed -- i.e. not a fair fight.
I thought they calibrated it to human speed max?
"Looks like the Deepmind Starcraft AI relied on superhuman speed after all"
boingboing.net/2019/01/27/looks-like-the-deepmind-starcr.html
Nope - actually AlphaStar had lower average of inputs than TLO/MaNa. But i believe the unfair advantage was that it was able to play in zoomed out map - seeing everything at once. Last game was played in a mode where AlphaStar had to zoom and scroll as well - and it lost.
But it also has to be said that it was not trained as much in this mode - so for the moment, the result is unconclusive.
@@pkundrat Did you read it? Also follow the more in detail link: blog.usejournal.com/an-analysis-on-how-deepminds-starcraft-2-ai-s-superhuman-speed-could-be-a-band-aid-fix-for-the-1702fb8344d6
It did use superhuman speed. The lower average inputs don't mean much, especially because many starcraft players just spam. The zoom was another thing. In contrary to chess, where engines just play awesome overall, in starcraft it had many weaknesses and was winning because of human intrinsic weaknesses.
I watched it live, and for some reason it kept all its stalkers together against 'toss drop harass in the exhibition match vs MaNa (the one game one), so it's not impossible for top pros to beat it.
I am fascinated by Medo's gambit of fianchettoing both his cushions.
I like how agadmator talks about the engines as if they are people, they are "watching" the game. That is really cool to me lol
2 engines play a chess ♟ game or match..........
and the others watch the game and suggest what u should move..
The phrase you are looking for concerning Leela Chess Zero is "distributed computing" this system is used for several other projects that require much computing power.
Thank you!
The games are adjudicated as "resignations" when the losing engine's evaluation is below a certain value for a specific amount of moves, I think the evaluation has to be below -6.5, but if I had to guess the moves it would be 5 or 8.
Leela chess is nicely developing, great advancement.
Amazing!!! I always enjoy computer games more than human games, especially of Leela and alpha.
"This is only the finals" (18:52) This tournament (TCEC Cup) has no influence on the superfinal that belongs to TCEC Season 14. TCEC Cup is a tournament that is hold after the highest division (DivP) in the ongoing season has finished their matches and before the superfinal begins.
The engines in the TCEC Cup are seeded depending on their placement in the current season.
Watching and ad just for agadmator.
One of my favourite quotes ever today!
Houdini vs. Stockfish in the semifinals was also epic. Houdini discovered an Alehin gun there.
I follow starcraft 2 very closely. I would have to admit that Alpha star did do a great job versus Mana. The games it played against TLO was a different story as TLO does not normally play Protoss. So it is very hard to judge that game. On the other hand Alpha Star did have an advantage the first 5 games that it played against Mana. This advantage is Alpha Star can see the entire map at once where as if you have ever played Starcraft that is not how you see the game and neither did Mana. They then fixed this issue where Alpha Star could only see the same amount of map at once as Mana can and Mana took the only game they played against each other in this manner.
Liquid Mana did a great job doing an analysis of his own games if you are interested in watching it.
Your analysis skills are engine level.
Only agadmator can make sense of this crazy game between computers
In the current chess.com computer chess championship, there are two variants of Leela playing, Lco and Lco dev, and so technically two AIs are already playing eachother (and Lco beat the dev version). Anyhow, I doubt that Leela will win the Tcec or chess.com tourney this time around, it seems just a tad bit shy of Stockfish's level based on other match results with other engines, but it doesn't matter. Overall, every time they update both Leela and Stockfish, Leela appears to improve more than the new Stockfish, and so it's only a matter of time before she does win. I mean like really soon, in the next 1-2 tournaments. Also, Leela is now handily beating even Komodo and Houdini (at least in the chess.com tournament), not to mention drawing most games against Stockfish, which in itself is an amazing feat. But yea, Leela will be world champ soon enough.
I did not look many moves ahead, but towards the end of the game the only moves was to sac the knight. It look like he would have picked up 3 pawns including the E pawn.
Stockfish was watching the game, LOL. Take a bow you legend!
For the first time in my life I heard someone to refer to artificial intelligence as a person in the video where you analyzed AlphaZero vs Stockfish with Anna Rudolf, great video by the way, and for the second time in this one and I don't comment videos often but that inspired me to write this comment because I guess because of the way "it" play's "it's" games we get a feeling that it is a person behind such "mind" I guess.
Please, do cover the superfinals!
Engines are joking xD
Can we install lc0 on 32 bit pc? If yes. Send link plz.
thank you
In the spirit of mikhail tal
IN THE SPIRIT OF MIKHAIL TAL
*IN THE SPIRIT OF MIKHAIL TAL*
How bishap to G4 made differenence at 16:35 ... Bg4 .. Rc7 , Rxb3.. Bxc6 , Dxc6 .. Rxc6
I'm curious.
How does a chess engine chooses openings?
I mean, if d4 is best opening, as they say (they chess engines), why don't they always go for that?
In general I mean not this game particularily.
Agad, keep it up, thanks for all!
At 17:07, why didn't Houdini capture the pawn on e4 instead of the king to f7? Seems it would have stopped the bishop to f5.
Why no pawn capture by Black bishop at 17:09?
Eating icecream and watching agad’s video’s. That is life ✌🏻
Hey agad,can you please tell me what is up?
Agadmator, could you please show the Levon Aronian game where Nakamura was checking out his position in disbelief #suggestions
How can I contribute my PC Power to leela? I did not find a link in google.
I find the personification of the engines really fun :)
2019 is very good so far... More videos more fun
Sick game. The creation has become the teacher. Wow. What the hell is next for AI? Great commentary man.
Why not grabbing the pawn on e7 with the Bishop 17:07?
Do they ever have Sesse play in the TCEC?
I have come to the conclusion that chess is not about what happens, but about what could happen but doesn't because of what does.
when Agadmator uses the word monstrosity my mood improves 10 fold :)
As an attempt to make the "joke" make logical sense. Perhaps Houdini calculated the chance that Leela would capture the promoted piece would be slightly lower if it wasn't a queen. ^_^
I want AlphaZero vs. Leela so badly!!!!!
I would be very interested in a Leela verses Alpha Zero (best of 5000), too!
How can i support Leela Chess ?
github.com/LeelaChessZero/lc0/wiki/Getting-Started
current game has a ton of tension in the position but it looks like a draw, or an endless game , black's bishop pair are trapped behind white's position but also cover eachother, black's up a pawn but white can easily lock down that side with pawn & bishop, & black can't push to even reach that point because white's king infiltrating black's position will win, so white's in advantage by nature of winning being possible at all despite being behind in material but has no moves & black has nothing to do but move the king around in the center
"Chess is everything - art, science, and sport." - Anatoly Karpov
"Chess is mental torture." - Gerry Kasparov
I see Leela? I click.
Can you please provide a link to the TCEC CUP diagram (the huge head to head results diagram shown in the video)
nvm found it - www.chessdom.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/TCEC-Cup-results.jpg
Literally one of the most beautiful games I've ever seen. This AI plays like Fischer.
#suggestion Florin Gheorghiu vs Bobby Fischer!
how many minutes does leela think when she moves?
What is the rating of alpha zero and stockfish 10?
Sf is around 3400-3500, no info about alpha 0 rating
I have inside info. A0 is significantly higher rated
Agadmator. Do you think human can ever reach 3000?
@@agadmator 4000?
Johnny Charisma humans will reach 3000 in a hundred years with elo inflation ahah
Wait leela wasnt the one giving up the exchange?
Clicked so fast..Thought it included alpha zero..still..good
The Tal move at 8:30
IN THE SPIRIT OF MIKHAIL TAL
Can you please make more Videos about enginematches
Im from Germany but i can Understand you
bro i already saw this game yesterday
At 15:48 the knight snort when jumping to b2
Lol
Why didn't Houdini play 23...b3?
Is there anyone else who watches Agad and Winter? Hearing SC people refer to chess, and chess people refer to SC is so odd.
Alpha Zero should test the Heartstone game, if possible. :)
at 2:43 cant you win a pawn here after taking on c4 then caputres and recaputre with the bishop and queen c1 rook or queen a4 ?
you not recapturing rather you push b4 as in the game
As a person who has a lot of halo content on their feed, seeing cortana on one of your chess videos was very confusing at first
I dont even enjoy chess that much, i just think your voice is cool
Did you say Leela is wide open?
Why are engines forced to start with book openings?
Why are kids forced to go to school? Why is the grass green? How long is a piece of string?
To avoid too much repetition in games. Without book openings, the engines will only play a few openings. Forced book openings are not that terrible, as the engines play both sides. So if one of them is at a disadvantage in one game, in the next it will have the upper hand.
@@l00d3r makes sense, thanks.
@@SuperYtc1 They aren't. Not all grass is green, but for grass that is green, chlorophyl. That long.
Anyone know if Deepmind has played any grandmasters and where I can find the moves? It seems like everywhere you look you can only find it wrecking stockfish 8.
Curt R. I think it hasn’t because there would really be no point. No human could beat Stockfish 8, so the fact that Alpha Zero crushed it was already the statement that Deepmind wanted to make
#suggestion. Give us a Tal or nezzy or Grischuk game please..
What opening do top chess programs tend to use? Why do they force the computers to play preplanned openings?
We’d likely see near identical games for each game of a match if different openings were not used
I wonder if Alpha will be used in League of Legends
i would like to see an alpha zero vs. leela chess zero match
Although I believe Alpha Chess 0 is currently much stronger, I believe Alpha will take the Staunton path and duck the challenge. Deep Mind has nothing to gain and much prestige to loose from such a match.
An unanswered question that intrigues me is Alpha’s learning time. It spent 4 hours elapsed time playing multiple instances of itself on Google’s Cloud Server Farm to build the neural network version it used to play Stockfish. Presumably, 4 hours was sufficient for the neural net to reach a state that additional games were not producing incremental learning. However, learning efficiency (which is the actual measure of ‘artificial intelligence’) is a function of software sophistication. It would be very interesting to see whether two years of intervening work on Alpha’s learning algorithms may have expanded the number of game cycles that it could learn from.
Engine bring bishop into a game for a joke is brilliant xD
#suggestion
So vs Sadzikowski at Gibralter Chess 2019
Computer History Museum posted "The History of Computer Chess: An AI Perspective"
@7:49 what happens if Nbd7???
How strange it is that you have to resort to engines to see such beautiful games...
Not strange at all. Humans are not the best things in the universe.
You never deal with ...b3 possibilities.
I ship these two: Leela Chess Houdini
I'm still holding out for some sort of "Castles Castles" shirt.
Nice, I didn't guess any of the moves
The A.I. are no good without the opening theory we give them to play. Why I am proud to be human instead.
after a few years, I guess every move will be played before and we can decide who's gonna win and chess won't be interesting anymore. As there are many possible chess games but less optimal ones.