I would be fascinated to see Brett and Eddy learn a piece that neither of them had performed, practicing individually so they were not influenced by each others approach to the piece, then both of them play the piece on the channel and let us untrained masses see if we can hear the differences, then Brett and Eddy could actually explain the differences, and maybe why they chose those ways of playing.
Maybe on another instrument any other music like with drums, i love classic music but at the same time i love rock, heavy metal or hardcore rock not for the screams but for the sincroniced caos of the drums with the bass and the guitars. Have you done a video talking about other musice rather than pop? Maybe also tango or trova if you need some artist let me know.
@@pedrocarvalho6609 basically yes 😂 but with focus on interpretation / phrasing and discussing their artistic choices afterwards. For Zapateado they were just trying to barely get the right notes in that short time haha
I remember their old video with Benny. Benny once mentioned that Eddy suits more playing Guarneri because he tends to press (?) more. And Brett suits more playing Strad with his faster bow speed. But both of them are really good violinist 😍😍
Okay, I had to laugh when, at first, Eddy suggested saving time by only doing one person per round. Because, honestly? I could seriously just spend an hour or more just listening to both of you playing for pure enjoyment. Like, seriously, if you guys ever want to just post a long video of nothing but just playing whatever comes to mind, I'd be fine with that, thanks. 🥰 It's really enjoyable to watch both of you get absorbed in the emotion of what you're playing, because it's obvious that there is a great deal of love for what you are doing. It's very emotionally warming, and I want to say that you for providing us with this kind of content. (I think we could all use more positive emotions right now!)
I'm abruptly realizing how much knowledge I've inadvertently absorbed from Twoset. Two years ago I, a person with no musical talent, understood a Strad is a very expensive good violin. Now, I sort of understand why Guarneri's are sometimes better, who Amati is, and why Stradivari's varnish is so precious. Thanks, Twoset - for making me a more educated and appreciative audience member.
1:27 Beethoven string quartet in c minor 1:39 Mendelssohn violin concerto 1st mvt 1:56 Tchaikovsky 1st 2:17 Mendelssohn 1st 2:57 Brahms 2nd 4:42 Prokofiev 2 1st 5:55 Tchaikovsky 1st 8:54 Sibelius 1st 10:36 Ravel tzigane 11:19 Massenet meditation 12:21 Fauré berceuse 13:00 Sibelius 1st 14:29 Barber 1st 15:10 Mozart 5 1st 15:30 Sibelius 2nd 16:08 Mozart 3 1st 16:52 Mendelssohn 2nd 18:02 Bach adagio from 1st sonata 19:25 Tchaikovsky 3rd 19:59 Saint Saens introduction and rondo capriccioso *1st/2nd/3rd refers to the movement of the piece *The ones I didn't name are all violin concertos
Paganini used a Guarneri: the famous cannone with his sound full of power (that’s why Paganini called it like that). We don’t actually know how he received it but it is believed that he received it from a fan because he lost his violin because of gambling. He golfed the bow differently that other violinists, a bit further for the frog, and he also kept the violin lower, not respecting the 90° formula, but giving him an advantage: he could go from string to string just moving the hand and not the whole arm. Lastly Paganini didn’t use positions: people who watches his fingerings sated through they are useless and without any sense, but in reality he used a technique called _Smanicamento a mano ferma_ which it consist in putting the the hand in the middle of the finger board keeping the thumb in the same spot while the rest of the hand went down and up the fingerboard, in fact we can see that Paganini’s violin has a depression on the 3rd position where the thumb is located.
What's peculiar is that the violin he supposedly lost gambling was the "twin" of the Cannone, as it was made from the same wood. It's known as the Guarneri "Carrodus". Paganini apparently received his new Guarneri as a donation from a French gentleman named Livron, when he was 20. Paganini would use it for the entirety of his career. He indeed nicknamed it "il mio Cannone violino", my cannon violin, for its oustanding projection and resonance. In his will, he donated it to his city, Genoa, "for it to be forever preserved". Every couple of years, an international competition is held in Paganini's honour in Genoa, and the best violinist gets to play his Cannone.
I believe Hilary Hahn owns and played Paganini’s Cannone Guarneri replica (made by Vuillaume who was also Paganini’s luthier) for most of her career. She now plays the Strad replica though.
This reminds me a lot of the $1000 vs $10,000,000 Violin video, especially where Benny said Brett would do better playing Strads and Eddy would do better playing Guarniris for precisely the reason that that Brett moves faster and Eddy presses more. It's cool to see the consistent feedback.
Quite surprised I could tell. But of course not by blind~ The more expensive ones seem more responsive/easier to make sound, the dynamic is clearer and when they played double stop, can hear both notes clearly. That guarneri sounds so good on them btw Can 4M sub gig use that guarneri?
Just the video I need since I'm thinking of upgrading my violin these days! But I was talking to my friend yesterday and was like, even if you gave me a Strad, it will still sound like a $2500 violin in my hand lol So, the instrument is important, but PRACTICE is always the answer.
@@simplytwosetter your pronoun?? Mofo, you either a female or male. Just state "I am", not pronoun...like come on. My pronoun is chicken sticks, like wtf? Idk...strange times
I love how at 5:30 Eddy gradually transitioned from a half-joking manner into serious immersion and utter enjoyment paying an amazing instrument. It's the genuine joy unique to the musician, similar to that of any expert meeting a top-notch tool of her trade. My gratitude to TwoSet for enabling us to appreciate along with them the beauty of great instruments, and I like it that they savored the musical subtleties more than anyone else.
I've heard violonists say strads have more of a learning curve to truly get them to shine to their full extent, while guarneri's are more immediately beautiful and powerful, more accessible in a way. That would explain it at least.
@@booksandmusic2526 I've actually seen that, but completely forgot about it. While other TwoSetters might want to by musical instruments, I think I'll go for a new and improved brain. ;-)
The difference is so great that it’s possible to hear it over video, and I find that incredible too. The more expensive violins usually have a much more resonant sound. They almost sound edited with an echo. Of course, the other violins also sound really incredible. Eddy really hit the nail on the head: “after that (the better instrument) the other one sounds like a cardboard box.”
It's interesting that non-musicians can also tell the differences quite easily by richness and depth of those more expensive instruments. The magic of craftsmanship...😌Eddy on the Guarneri sounded beautiful which reminds me of the episode with Benny who also thought he suited Guarneri better than Strad...
Brett's playing sounds so good on these beautiful violins. I almost shouted out "omg get this man an expensive violin!!!" Sorry, too excited i was. Love Brett's playing.
Yeah for some reason his playing sounds epic on these babies. Surely he can afford to upgrade? I'd be interested in a fair comparison of these curated specimens versus their "brother" bespoke brand new ones. Those are in the $5-10K range, I believe? But perhaps you get more violin for the money when shopping on that budget for a few years rather than hiring one luthier to give it exactly one try?
@@Cloxxki yeah~and theres a balance between playing and violin which is a tricky thing as well. Ah its really hard but also interesting being a musician.
@@rosyxiao6889 As a cross country skier I noticed while borroeing a slightly higher end set from a friend, basically mass produced pro skis, that they were crazy easy to ski. Better balance and this control, great speed. I instantly felt a much better skier. I can imagine that a better instrument can also inspire a musician to step up.
It's amazing how obvious the difference is! Even for a non trained ear. Of course all of the violins sound amazing, but the diffenrence is still unbelievable. Edit: especially for #3 and #4 actually. 5 and 6 were really hard.
Yeah, but the evaluation needs some knowledge. Like, with 3 and 4 it was obvious which one was better, but with 1 and 2 I could clearly tell the differences but wasn't sure which sound was valued higher in the world of violins.
@@NotMeButAnother Interesting. I’m not a violinist, but I could clearly tell which sound was better and more expensive, even for 1 and 2 or 5 and 6. I guessed right with each one. The only instrument I ever really played was the flute, so probably not applicable to it.
@@NotMeButAnother I think it’s partly due to the camera and microphone distance. If you played these violins in a concert hall, and had the microphone at the back of the hall, it would be trivially easy, as the expensive ones project way better
This probably a weird description but for me the expensive ones felt like a really rich surround sound whereas the cheap ones sounded 1 dimensional (in comparison) even tho I'm only listening on my phone.
Round 1 - I liked the Guadagini. Round 2 I liked the Guaneri. Round 3 I liked the Konya. Round 4. I liked theThibout (very impressed) Round 5. Very close! Different , but both fantastic. I'm a pretty good violinist but am actually judging as expert cello gang, and what as principally a cellist, what a violin should sound like, sitting opposite me, in orchestra.
This reminded me a request someone made long a go of how they could do like a blind game-like where they have to guess each other’s playing between other musicians, that would be so interesting!
Always amazed by how the objects that are all called the "violin" can sound so different from one another!! It's magic achieved by the force of nature and humans! To be honest, I always feel like luthiers and also some musicians gave me witches and wizards vibe lol
what an incredible privilege to play Strads and Guarneris and some of the other high end violins! Most musicians would faint at the opportunity. You are so generous to let us listen to those sweet instruments. Loved this!
Advice to anyone wondering if they should buy a new violin: My old teacher said: "You should only buy a new instrument when you have mastered your current one" Don't buy one to sound better. Buy one when your current one is at the limit and can't make the sound you try to get out. Your skill and technique is better than the instrument can take. Edit: I am not trying to say you shouldn't buy a better and affordable violin if you want to (especially if you aren't a professional). I just feel like people often buy a violin just to sound better. But a good violin doesn't make you a good violinist and if you are trying to play professional it's impossible to cover your flaws with a better violin. The violin just carries your skill out in sound.
Not true, should always get a better instrument, poor instrument limits your capacity. Why not to play those better ones and sound better if it is affordable?
@@5566693 Sorry if I am wrong but I think you actually just said the same. If the instrument limits your capacity then sure go for a new one. I think that's roughly what I was trying to say with "if the instrument can't handle your skill anymore".
Even though youtube sound quality doesn't do justice in videos like this, I can still hear a little bit of difference between them. Oh, I really want to hear it played live
They sound so good on those violins😍😍! I mean, they always sound good on their usual very nice violins, but don't know if it's just the acoustics or the violins but the sound is sooo powerful and full!
Notice how they can quite easily ‘feel’ which is which. Really shows how delicate and intricate every violin is, every single one has its difference and amazing detail.
This one really helped me start to hear the differences among violins. Even I could tell that violin #3 sounded different, wow what a sound. I think I have to agree with Eddy's perspective on the Guarneri vs the Strad.
How sacrilegious would it be for me to admit I liked the Thibout better than the Strad it was up against? It sounded richer and deeper to me. Voluptuous even.
I would agree that that the Thibout sounded deeper, but I still thought the strad sounded better, even before the video gave us the answer. The strad had a much more “mature sound” while the Thibout sounded slightly more “plain” than the strad. Both definitely sounded good anspd arguably close however
The Thibout has richer overtones; the Strad in the comparison sounds much flatter/one-dimensional. I would argue that provided playability is the same and if it is not a setup issue, any player preferring that Strad over the Thibout prefers name over quality. For all other pairings, the expensive violin was superior in overtones in particular in the upper register (something one might called richness or dimensionality of sound) and beat the competitor hands down.
Well, yes, you could say that how a musician plays an instrument basically makes the sound. I mean, literally. You've basically defined what a musician is. Congratulations
Hi everyone! Just some fun facts for you here: You can actually tell which maker made a particular violin not just from sound but by physical attributes. Some instruments will have more brown or red varnishes, some will have rounded pegboxes or deeper chamfers in the body. Most will differ in the scroll, which are a great tell as to who the maker is. Another fact: typical "fine" instruments dont appear until the $20000 range, where individual makers work are in play rather than production model copies!
Can I just say that I grew so much in last year as a listener cause this time I was brave enough to try to play along with them ( and passed, minus the part where it took me more 30 min to do so :'-( ) just because of twoset! A few months ago I couldn't understand difference between different strad's sound on their previous video ; everything seemed exactly same but now I can tell if it's better or not... You guys can't imagine how both of you affect us, educate us and gives us the hope to fight through it all. Thank you Brett and Eddy! We love you❤❤❤
As a non-musician immensely interested in classical music, it takes a well trained ear and full knowledge to discern which violin sounded better, even in the tiniest detail. To me it feels similar. Not much of an expert here, but I can tell good and pleasing music when I hear one.
Decent speakers/headphones are also important, but to me the more expensive violin almost every time really sounded more resonant, and the sound was more rich. Try to not listen to the music but to the *sound* itself, not just the notes played but their aftermath (how they ring). The less expensive violins often sounded more "shallow", as if the sound was coming from a small box, while the guarneris and stuff felt like the sound was bouncing around in a freaking concert hall. And each note also had more "stuff going on", more harmonics, while the less expensive sounded more "simple". Though it's definitely not that easy in some of the cases!
I don’t play any instrument but I could tell with relative ease which one is the more expensive violin. As someone above said, a great earphone/headset makes a big difference.
So the tone of the violin mostly the less expensive ones were brighter they sounded a little more harsh in the upper registery, then the more expensive ones, those have a deeper more resonate sound.
Once again, let us thank this video for almost 20 min of serious playing! And I think it would've been hard to tell on spot, but the sound through mic was very obvious to me and I am not even a violinist...hardly a musician so I am surprised! And I noticed the varnish before Twoset mentioned it (they taught us well!) I remember in an old vid Benny also said Eddy is more a Guarneri player so it was quite fun to see that it's not only about the violin or the player but also the compatibility of both!
Guys, I have a small suggestion, after hearing Brett play the opening of Mendelssohn (which I am VERY excited to hear him play in full, by the way!). However, I agree with some people who had said they thought that Eddy's playing style really suits Mendelssohn. I would suggest in the future that you don't choose the concerto purely by voting because people are just going to vote for the most well-known piece and not take into account subtleties that you might be aware of, such as which piece is better suited by which player. That's all!
OMG YES! I really wish they don't have to do the poll next time. There are a lot more pieces there that people just don't know about T^T I want them to play what they want to play next time 😢
@TheCartóon94 Yeah, tell me if you find the video. I happen to agree with TwoSet, too. I know a lot of people have been talking about 5 mil already, and Eddy potentially playing Brahms, but I hope he'll play Prokofiev or Korngold, which I think would suit him better.
I think with the recordings, the difference is so much more noticeable. you can hear the broader resonance and more sensitive response of the more expensive violins. particularly quick passages sing because less energy is dampened. The Guarneri has such an iconic and lush sound. Thank you for sharing, I loved listening.
Not gonna lie I thought the Thibout was really impressive, yes it is slightly more narrow and not as balanced as the Strad but it was easily just as loud and rich. Honestly for a live performance the Thibout wouldn't lose to the Strad without a fight. But best one overall was the Guarneri, by an ocean.
it's a lot easier to get into playing position after picking up a violin like that, I sometimes do that subconsciously when taking my instrument out of its case
@@jpsalisthanks for the comment! I'm not very knowledgeable about violin or music so it just looked cool from my perspective, have nice rest of the day/night
I am not really interested which is the more expensive instrument. I just enjoy two tallented boys serenading each other. The camera operator has some nice angles in this one! The lighting is nice as well, also that might just be the venue. Kudos to editor-san! The different light-spots surely make it really hard to colourgrade. The production value has definitly gone up! Thank you to all the tallented people in front and behind the camera and in the editor-bay!
If you are having difficulty hearing a big difference between the violins in this recording, keep in mind that the old masters were making violins in a world that didn't have recordings, and you will hear the most difference in sound if you hear them being played in person. And like Brett and Eddy mentioned, a big part of the difference is in projection, since electronic amplification didn't exist yet. So, don't judge it off of the recording.
I really loved the video but can i just say that the cinematography of this video was just something else. The handheld shots especially when one of them was playing behind the others, was just gorgeous.
Love this video - got to learn new facts about the different types of violin and enjoy Twoset’s beautiful playing at the same time🥰 And it’s nice to see Luo Wei again after the “We became youth orchestra conductors for a day!” video!
Thank you thank you..what an amazing chance to hear the difference between the instruments..could have listened for hours..thank you Brett and Eddy and especially the RIN Collection for giving them the opportunity and for the amazing work this collectors did. thank you again….
It was interesting to see the different the things they played, presumably to test the different properties of the violin. Also, just wanted to say, I appreciate all you two and your team does. You make a 20 minute video fly by, even when it's on a topic I know next to nothing about.
I remember a few years ago when they made an episode comparing the expensive violins to the less expensive violins. They were all laid out on a round table. For some reason I thought it was a table size pizza. Wasn't disappointed when I clicked on the video. That was the first TwoSetViolin video that I watched. Loving the videos ever since.
The content is always so amazing and extraordinary! ✨ Loved the Amati, have a soft spot for Amatis for some reason. Great to be able to hear them all, the historical beasts but also the "newer" makers' beautiful creations! 🍃
As a non violin player I was surprised I got 4/5 too (flopped the first one), and I firmly believe it's thanks to your videos that were educational! There really is a distinct difference in quality of sound, but my favourite is by far the Guaneri. Something about it just hits the soul. Side note, I wouldn't have minded an hour long video of just you guys playing because it's very beautiful.
Thanks for doing this guys! Since I first found you 10 days ago, I've been binging on your vids (I have no life!) and learning so much. I am not classically trained and have no technical expertise, but I have learned a great deal from you -- not to mention how much I enjoy hearing you both play!!! Respect.
I loved the fact that towards the end they just mostly played for the love and joy of it. You could tell how much they were living in the moment. Loved that for them! And great quality content for us
I wish there was a way we could have been in the room to experience this (not unlike the pipe organ video). The fine details just never come across through video - but even so, the sound and differences in character for all of them are still remarkable!
I have been watching your shows as a three weeks marathon while recuperating from covid. You are amazing!! Brilliant!! And my Shih Tzu 5 month old puppy Suni Sunshine sits on my lap and watches you too. She loves you too! You are awesome! Thank you for the musical education as well as entertainment!!
What I most like is that this is not just "can you tell a mega-expensive violin from one that is merely excellent", but there's also some analysis of how they're different. The most informative one was the fourth trial, when you analysed why Brett got it "wrong".
I would be fascinated to see Brett and Eddy learn a piece that neither of them had performed, practicing individually so they were not influenced by each others approach to the piece, then both of them play the piece on the channel and let us untrained masses see if we can hear the differences, then Brett and Eddy could actually explain the differences, and maybe why they chose those ways of playing.
That would be sooo interesting to see how they interpret the same piece differently, I'd love to see it!
Maybe on another instrument any other music like with drums, i love classic music but at the same time i love rock, heavy metal or hardcore rock not for the screams but for the sincroniced caos of the drums with the bass and the guitars. Have you done a video talking about other musice rather than pop? Maybe also tango or trova if you need some artist let me know.
so an extended version of the Zapateado video?
@@pedrocarvalho6609 basically yes 😂 but with focus on interpretation / phrasing and discussing their artistic choices afterwards. For Zapateado they were just trying to barely get the right notes in that short time haha
I would love that!
I remember their old video with Benny. Benny once mentioned that Eddy suits more playing Guarneri because he tends to press (?) more. And Brett suits more playing Strad with his faster bow speed. But both of them are really good violinist 😍😍
great point!
this! glad someone else remembered it
Ahhh I was thinking about this too! But I don't trust my memory so I'm happy you mentioned it 💕
Yeah I remembered that too!
Totally. I went: “That must be a Guarneri!” You can tell from the difference between their playing. Eddy on a Guarneri is just 🔥
Okay, I had to laugh when, at first, Eddy suggested saving time by only doing one person per round. Because, honestly? I could seriously just spend an hour or more just listening to both of you playing for pure enjoyment. Like, seriously, if you guys ever want to just post a long video of nothing but just playing whatever comes to mind, I'd be fine with that, thanks. 🥰 It's really enjoyable to watch both of you get absorbed in the emotion of what you're playing, because it's obvious that there is a great deal of love for what you are doing. It's very emotionally warming, and I want to say that you for providing us with this kind of content. (I think we could all use more positive emotions right now!)
True
Perfectly encapsulates what TwoSet Fans feel!
Yeah I wish they made longer videos but they I guess being a big Youtbe channel they have to do play to the algo.
hey, wof fan?
Agree wholeheartedly!
I'm abruptly realizing how much knowledge I've inadvertently absorbed from Twoset. Two years ago I, a person with no musical talent, understood a Strad is a very expensive good violin. Now, I sort of understand why Guarneri's are sometimes better, who Amati is, and why Stradivari's varnish is so precious.
Thanks, Twoset - for making me a more educated and appreciative audience member.
You're on point! I feel exactly the same I didn't even know of Stradivarius let alone Guadagnini and Amati!
1:27 Beethoven string quartet in c minor
1:39 Mendelssohn violin concerto 1st mvt
1:56 Tchaikovsky 1st
2:17 Mendelssohn 1st
2:57 Brahms 2nd
4:42 Prokofiev 2 1st
5:55 Tchaikovsky 1st
8:54 Sibelius 1st
10:36 Ravel tzigane
11:19 Massenet meditation
12:21 Fauré berceuse
13:00 Sibelius 1st
14:29 Barber 1st
15:10 Mozart 5 1st
15:30 Sibelius 2nd
16:08 Mozart 3 1st
16:52 Mendelssohn 2nd
18:02 Bach adagio from 1st sonata
19:25 Tchaikovsky 3rd
19:59 Saint Saens introduction and rondo capriccioso
*1st/2nd/3rd refers to the movement of the piece
*The ones I didn't name are all violin concertos
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@@Aya_riiia I am writing down while watching the video lol
Thank you :)
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@Interesting Sheet Music there is
Paganini used a Guarneri: the famous cannone with his sound full of power (that’s why Paganini called it like that). We don’t actually know how he received it but it is believed that he received it from a fan because he lost his violin because of gambling. He golfed the bow differently that other violinists, a bit further for the frog, and he also kept the violin lower, not respecting the 90° formula, but giving him an advantage: he could go from string to string just moving the hand and not the whole arm. Lastly Paganini didn’t use positions: people who watches his fingerings sated through they are useless and without any sense, but in reality he used a technique called _Smanicamento a mano ferma_ which it consist in putting the the hand in the middle of the finger board keeping the thumb in the same spot while the rest of the hand went down and up the fingerboard, in fact we can see that Paganini’s violin has a depression on the 3rd position where the thumb is located.
Oh, the one who gave that violin to Paganini was Livron.
What's peculiar is that the violin he supposedly lost gambling was the "twin" of the Cannone, as it was made from the same wood. It's known as the Guarneri "Carrodus". Paganini apparently received his new Guarneri as a donation from a French gentleman named Livron, when he was 20. Paganini would use it for the entirety of his career. He indeed nicknamed it "il mio Cannone violino", my cannon violin, for its oustanding projection and resonance. In his will, he donated it to his city, Genoa, "for it to be forever preserved". Every couple of years, an international competition is held in Paganini's honour in Genoa, and the best violinist gets to play his Cannone.
@@lloydaran Damn this is so cool, keep the lore coming!
Thank you both for the interesting information!
I believe Hilary Hahn owns and played Paganini’s Cannone Guarneri replica (made by Vuillaume who was also Paganini’s luthier) for most of her career. She now plays the Strad replica though.
This reminds me a lot of the $1000 vs $10,000,000 Violin video, especially where Benny said Brett would do better playing Strads and Eddy would do better playing Guarniris for precisely the reason that that Brett moves faster and Eddy presses more. It's cool to see the consistent feedback.
That Guarneri sounded amazing. After 1-2 notes they could both tell immediately that it’s a special instrument.
Honestly, Guarneri was the only one of them I immediately thought: yeah, this one sounds so better, it's not even funny.
Guarneri very warm. I sometimes feel it is better than projection 🤷🏻♂️
Quite surprised I could tell. But of course not by blind~ The more expensive ones seem more responsive/easier to make sound, the dynamic is clearer and when they played double stop, can hear both notes clearly. That guarneri sounds so good on them btw
Can 4M sub gig use that guarneri?
The Guarneri was my favorite also. A hauntingly beautiful instrument!
Yes, I was so stunned when they played it! I wish I could too🥺
Just the video I need since I'm thinking of upgrading my violin these days! But I was talking to my friend yesterday and was like, even if you gave me a Strad, it will still sound like a $2500 violin in my hand lol So, the instrument is important, but PRACTICE is always the answer.
indeed
Lol here she is again
@@ludvigvanbeethoven7848 Yes I'm here again, and I'm a she.
@@simplytwosetter she shey?
@@simplytwosetter your pronoun?? Mofo, you either a female or male. Just state "I am", not pronoun...like come on. My pronoun is chicken sticks, like wtf? Idk...strange times
I love how at 5:30 Eddy gradually transitioned from a half-joking manner into serious immersion and utter enjoyment paying an amazing instrument. It's the genuine joy unique to the musician, similar to that of any expert meeting a top-notch tool of her trade. My gratitude to TwoSet for enabling us to appreciate along with them the beauty of great instruments, and I like it that they savored the musical subtleties more than anyone else.
I’m quite amazed that even with crappy phone speaker I can hear a difference when they’re played side by side
Holy cow! The Guarneri absolutely blew me away, through my speakers. The Strads were a lot more difficult comparisons.
Violin #3? Definitely my favorite sound of the lot!
I've heard violonists say strads have more of a learning curve to truly get them to shine to their full extent, while guarneri's are more immediately beautiful and powerful, more accessible in a way.
That would explain it at least.
I agree! The Guarneri stood out a lot more obviously than the rest when listening through headphones.
Agreed, and I could tell right away it's a very special instrument even on my computer monitor speakers.
I have to agree, even listening through earbuds. The Guarneris push out sound like a giant high end speaker.
Brett, like a true gent, not missing an oppertunity to practice his 4 mil Mendelssohn for us!
He owns a 4M violin?!?!?!
@@_sarcasmiss2141 no no lmao he is supposed to play Mendelssohn for us in a livestream when two set hits 4 million subs
Bretts flourish as he picks up each violin is such a pro move, yet heartstopping when its worth fricking 10 mil dude!
You guys should do another video, but with bows. The importance of bows is usually underappreciated by non-musicans.
I was just thinking the same.
Actually they've done a video like this only comparing bows I think it's called comparison between 2000$ bow and 700000$ bow
@@booksandmusic2526 I've actually seen that, but completely forgot about it. While other TwoSetters might want to by musical instruments, I think I'll go for a new and improved brain. ;-)
Remember that video with Benny Tseng?
I think Benny was right, Eddy suits Guarneri better while Brett suits Strad better.
Yeah that's true
The difference is so great that it’s possible to hear it over video, and I find that incredible too. The more expensive violins usually have a much more resonant sound. They almost sound edited with an echo. Of course, the other violins also sound really incredible.
Eddy really hit the nail on the head: “after that (the better instrument) the other one sounds like a cardboard box.”
I highly doubt they were recording the sound with an iphone or something. Im sure they had proper mics to record.
It's interesting that non-musicians can also tell the differences quite easily by richness and depth of those more expensive instruments. The magic of craftsmanship...😌Eddy on the Guarneri sounded beautiful which reminds me of the episode with Benny who also thought he suited Guarneri better than Strad...
Brett's playing sounds so good on these beautiful violins. I almost shouted out "omg get this man an expensive violin!!!" Sorry, too excited i was. Love Brett's playing.
Yeah for some reason his playing sounds epic on these babies. Surely he can afford to upgrade?
I'd be interested in a fair comparison of these curated specimens versus their "brother" bespoke brand new ones. Those are in the $5-10K range, I believe? But perhaps you get more violin for the money when shopping on that budget for a few years rather than hiring one luthier to give it exactly one try?
@@Cloxxki yeah~and theres a balance between playing and violin which is a tricky thing as well. Ah its really hard but also interesting being a musician.
@@rosyxiao6889 As a cross country skier I noticed while borroeing a slightly higher end set from a friend, basically mass produced pro skis, that they were crazy easy to ski. Better balance and this control, great speed. I instantly felt a much better skier. I can imagine that a better instrument can also inspire a musician to step up.
I thought he already upgraded his violin?
It's amazing how obvious the difference is! Even for a non trained ear. Of course all of the violins sound amazing, but the diffenrence is still unbelievable.
Edit: especially for #3 and #4 actually. 5 and 6 were really hard.
Yeah, but the evaluation needs some knowledge. Like, with 3 and 4 it was obvious which one was better, but with 1 and 2 I could clearly tell the differences but wasn't sure which sound was valued higher in the world of violins.
@@NotMeButAnother Interesting. I’m not a violinist, but I could clearly tell which sound was better and more expensive, even for 1 and 2 or 5 and 6. I guessed right with each one. The only instrument I ever really played was the flute, so probably not applicable to it.
@@NotMeButAnother I think it’s partly due to the camera and microphone distance. If you played these violins in a concert hall, and had the microphone at the back of the hall, it would be trivially easy, as the expensive ones project way better
This probably a weird description but for me the expensive ones felt like a really rich surround sound whereas the cheap ones sounded 1 dimensional (in comparison) even tho I'm only listening on my phone.
Really? Saw lot of videos where experts couldn’t here the difference and with computer etc the myth is only a myth. You have to believe.
For comparison:
Violin 1 / Wunderlich ($$$)- 1:39 & 3:18
Violin 2 / Guadagnini ($$$$$$)- 2:17 & 2:57
Violin 3 / Guarneri ($$$$$$)- 5:22 & 5:55
Violin 4 / Lupot ($$$)- 4:41 & 6:33
Violin 5 / Konya ($$$)- 8:45 & 10:35 & 11:18
Violin 6 / Amati ($$$$$$)- 9:39 & 10:46 & 11:28
Violin 7 / Thibout ($$$)- 13:56 & 14:48 & 15:22 & 15:42 & 16:13 & 17:23
Violin 8 / Stradivari ($$$$$$)- 13:00 & 14:28 & 15:10 & 15:30 & 16:08 & 16:52
Violin 9 / Stradivari ($$$$$$)- 18:42 & 19:31 & 19:59
Violin 10 / Muncher ($$$)- 18:01 & 19:25
Thank you so much
Wow you're amazing 😍!!! Thank you so much for this. This comment should be pinned
Round 1 - I liked the Guadagini.
Round 2 I liked the Guaneri.
Round 3 I liked the Konya.
Round 4. I liked theThibout (very impressed)
Round 5. Very close! Different , but both fantastic.
I'm a pretty good violinist but am actually judging as expert cello gang, and what as principally a cellist, what a violin should sound like, sitting opposite me, in orchestra.
Benny is right about them. Eddy for Guarneri, and Brett for Stards.
Brett's Mendelssohn 😭❤️ can't wait for the 4M livestream🎻✨
This reminded me a request someone made long a go of how they could do like a blind game-like where they have to guess each other’s playing between other musicians, that would be so interesting!
the among us video????
@@RenuNohbar actually the blind date video
I've seen it in several places, and someone said they saw it and thought it was a good idea...
So fingers crossed that it happens!
Always amazed by how the objects that are all called the "violin" can sound so different from one another!! It's magic achieved by the force of nature and humans! To be honest, I always feel like luthiers and also some musicians gave me witches and wizards vibe lol
And another one
How do u appear in every twoset video
@@minty_fresh8899 Because I'm a fan and I like talking.
even pianos of same model say Steinway D, each one sounds different
@@voqz6667
Just let people appreciate violins please.
what an incredible privilege to play Strads and Guarneris and some of the other high end violins! Most musicians would faint at the opportunity. You are so generous to let us listen to those sweet instruments. Loved this!
Advice to anyone wondering if they should buy a new violin: My old teacher said: "You should only buy a new instrument when you have mastered your current one"
Don't buy one to sound better. Buy one when your current one is at the limit and can't make the sound you try to get out. Your skill and technique is better than the instrument can take.
Edit: I am not trying to say you shouldn't buy a better and affordable violin if you want to (especially if you aren't a professional). I just feel like people often buy a violin just to sound better. But a good violin doesn't make you a good violinist and if you are trying to play professional it's impossible to cover your flaws with a better violin. The violin just carries your skill out in sound.
Not true, should always get a better instrument, poor instrument limits your capacity. Why not to play those better ones and sound better if it is affordable?
@@5566693 Sorry if I am wrong but I think you actually just said the same. If the instrument limits your capacity then sure go for a new one. I think that's roughly what I was trying to say with "if the instrument can't handle your skill anymore".
This is very poetic but impractical and illogical.
@@idaa3947 I am afraid not, even you are a beginner, you should get a good instrument and save the time of adapting poorer and switching instruments.
I remember my teacher would always say the instrument should be better than you XD
Even though youtube sound quality doesn't do justice in videos like this, I can still hear a little bit of difference between them. Oh, I really want to hear it played live
They sound so good on those violins😍😍! I mean, they always sound good on their usual very nice violins, but don't know if it's just the acoustics or the violins but the sound is sooo powerful and full!
Yes! Especially on the Guarneri I felt like they sound so intense and rich passionate you know
I like the Guarneri. The sound is so rich and it goes REEALLLL deep.
Notice how they can quite easily ‘feel’ which is which. Really shows how delicate and intricate every violin is, every single one has its difference and amazing detail.
I absolutely needed this video. Been a tough day :(
Hope everyone else is doin alright 💕
Hope you ll have a better day tomorrow! Take care!!
@@nadinefamille3855 aw thankss! 🥺🥺💕💕
Good luck💪
I hope your day gets better! And if not, whatever it is you're going through: you got this! I hope every day after today will be a good day for you :)
I had a decent day for the first time in months. It can happen! Hope tomorrow is better for you.
I’m really really appreciating these consistent videos where you guys really show your knowledge and expertise about these things, a joy to watch!
I'm pretty sure I could make all of these sound like $100 ebay violins! Great playing, and interesting concept. Thanks!
This one really helped me start to hear the differences among violins. Even I could tell that violin #3 sounded different, wow what a sound. I think I have to agree with Eddy's perspective on the Guarneri vs the Strad.
violin #3's g string sounded sooooo good
Wow, Brett's Tchaikovsky on #3 was gorgeous
How sacrilegious would it be for me to admit I liked the Thibout better than the Strad it was up against? It sounded richer and deeper to me. Voluptuous even.
I would agree that that the Thibout sounded deeper, but I still thought the strad sounded better, even before the video gave us the answer. The strad had a much more “mature sound” while the Thibout sounded slightly more “plain” than the strad. Both definitely sounded good anspd arguably close however
Also, there’s nothing sacrilegious about it :)
Just beca it’s a strad doesn’t mean it’s always going to be better
The Thibout has richer overtones; the Strad in the comparison sounds much flatter/one-dimensional. I would argue that provided playability is the same and if it is not a setup issue, any player preferring that Strad over the Thibout prefers name over quality. For all other pairings, the expensive violin was superior in overtones in particular in the upper register (something one might called richness or dimensionality of sound) and beat the competitor hands down.
8:55 Brett playing Sebelius is the best thing I got after a terrible day!! Thanks 😭😭😭
THIS GAL!
Just imagine, guess the price of violins but with Soloist instead like Ray, Hilary, janine jansen etc, should be fun
The violin and the violinist have to form a unity together. That can impact the sound a lot.
Well, yes, you could say that how a musician plays an instrument basically makes the sound. I mean, literally. You've basically defined what a musician is. Congratulations
Brett's Tchaikovsky was absolutely amazing, he sounded like an angel!😍🎻💖
Hi everyone! Just some fun facts for you here: You can actually tell which maker made a particular violin not just from sound but by physical attributes. Some instruments will have more brown or red varnishes, some will have rounded pegboxes or deeper chamfers in the body. Most will differ in the scroll, which are a great tell as to who the maker is.
Another fact: typical "fine" instruments dont appear until the $20000 range, where individual makers work are in play rather than production model copies!
You know if two set have not uploaded for a few days
They will come back with something great
Is really interesting how you almost get in trance when playing the real good instruments
Can I just say that I grew so much in last year as a listener cause this time I was brave enough to try to play along with them ( and passed, minus the part where it took me more 30 min to do so :'-( ) just because of twoset!
A few months ago I couldn't understand difference between different strad's sound on their previous video ; everything seemed exactly same but now I can tell if it's better or not...
You guys can't imagine how both of you affect us, educate us and gives us the hope to fight through it all.
Thank you Brett and Eddy!
We love you❤❤❤
As a non-musician immensely interested in classical music, it takes a well trained ear and full knowledge to discern which violin sounded better, even in the tiniest detail. To me it feels similar. Not much of an expert here, but I can tell good and pleasing music when I hear one.
Decent speakers/headphones are also important, but to me the more expensive violin almost every time really sounded more resonant, and the sound was more rich. Try to not listen to the music but to the *sound* itself, not just the notes played but their aftermath (how they ring).
The less expensive violins often sounded more "shallow", as if the sound was coming from a small box, while the guarneris and stuff felt like the sound was bouncing around in a freaking concert hall. And each note also had more "stuff going on", more harmonics, while the less expensive sounded more "simple".
Though it's definitely not that easy in some of the cases!
It would be more obvious in person
You would be able to tell instantly in person
I don’t play any instrument but I could tell with relative ease which one is the more expensive violin. As someone above said, a great earphone/headset makes a big difference.
So the tone of the violin mostly the less expensive ones were brighter they sounded a little more harsh in the upper registery, then the more expensive ones, those have a deeper more resonate sound.
Welcome back Luo Wei!
Have to say, Yong Siew Toh has been really good to TwoSet. They obviously really want to nurture the love of the arts.
He's the conductor, right? Is he also a violinist?
@@oxoelfoxo I'm pretty sure I saw a comment on their conducting video about him being the commenter's violin teacher.
Once again, let us thank this video for almost 20 min of serious playing!
And I think it would've been hard to tell on spot, but the sound through mic was very obvious to me and I am not even a violinist...hardly a musician so I am surprised!
And I noticed the varnish before Twoset mentioned it (they taught us well!)
I remember in an old vid Benny also said Eddy is more a Guarneri player so it was quite fun to see that it's not only about the violin or the player but also the compatibility of both!
Guys, I have a small suggestion, after hearing Brett play the opening of Mendelssohn (which I am VERY excited to hear him play in full, by the way!). However, I agree with some people who had said they thought that Eddy's playing style really suits Mendelssohn. I would suggest in the future that you don't choose the concerto purely by voting because people are just going to vote for the most well-known piece and not take into account subtleties that you might be aware of, such as which piece is better suited by which player. That's all!
OMG YES! I really wish they don't have to do the poll next time. There are a lot more pieces there that people just don't know about T^T I want them to play what they want to play next time 😢
Brahms 5 millllll
Brett and Eddy actually said that they think Mendelssohn suits Brett better though (I can't remember now which video it was)
I think it was a ling ling 40 hrs after the poll
@TheCartóon94 Yeah, tell me if you find the video. I happen to agree with TwoSet, too. I know a lot of people have been talking about 5 mil already, and Eddy potentially playing Brahms, but I hope he'll play Prokofiev or Korngold, which I think would suit him better.
I'm not a musician, not even close. And I can't say why but most of the expensive violins just instantly gave me goosebumps.
When you can hear the difference through your free-from-the-school-and-only-works-in-one-specific-position earbuds...
If I played a 10mil dollar violin I can make it sound like 100 dollars 🤩
i can make it sound like a 0.01 cent violin
It will sounds like toad from me
i can't even make it sound lol, I don't play the violin lol
😂 good one!
Luo Wei?! He is the conductor in the video ‘Became Youth Orchestra Conductor for a Day’ right?! Nice to see him again~
I think with the recordings, the difference is so much more noticeable. you can hear the broader resonance and more sensitive response of the more expensive violins. particularly quick passages sing because less energy is dampened. The Guarneri has such an iconic and lush sound. Thank you for sharing, I loved listening.
Ahh violin #3... Goosebumps! 😍💕
Not gonna lie I thought the Thibout was really impressive, yes it is slightly more narrow and not as balanced as the Strad but it was easily just as loud and rich. Honestly for a live performance the Thibout wouldn't lose to the Strad without a fight.
But best one overall was the Guarneri, by an ocean.
Wow the Bach @18:25 is really well played
Brett just casually flipping that violin like a boss at 17:17 lol
😎😎
it's a lot easier to get into playing position after picking up a violin like that, I sometimes do that subconsciously when taking my instrument out of its case
@@jpsalisthanks for the comment! I'm not very knowledgeable about violin or music so it just looked cool from my perspective, have nice rest of the day/night
Made me think of that Federer commercial they reacted to once, and they were horrified by him twirling a violin like a tennis racket 😅
they're so afraid to misjudge, my perfeccionist self sympathizes 😣
I can't wait for them to guess the skill of violin players by looking at still shot photos.
Massive Flex. You guys can really play... This was better than the Beenleigh Eisteddfod.
I am not really interested which is the more expensive instrument. I just enjoy two tallented boys serenading each other. The camera operator has some nice angles in this one! The lighting is nice as well, also that might just be the venue. Kudos to editor-san! The different light-spots surely make it really hard to colourgrade. The production value has definitly gone up! Thank you to all the tallented people in front and behind the camera and in the editor-bay!
Video ideas: use a tiny bow to play on a full size violin and use a full size violin bow to play on a tiny violin
Yes
Even the cloth below the violins is worth more than me .
I really wish Brett & Eddy would release their own album of them playing such wonderful pieces.
If you are having difficulty hearing a big difference between the violins in this recording, keep in mind that the old masters were making violins in a world that didn't have recordings, and you will hear the most difference in sound if you hear them being played in person. And like Brett and Eddy mentioned, a big part of the difference is in projection, since electronic amplification didn't exist yet. So, don't judge it off of the recording.
Waaahh, this is so educational and still so entertaining! Thank you for another chance to learn more about the beauty of the violin!
The moment they played that Guarneri...😨😍 It was amazing. Actually the difference is quiet obvious, I got all of them, I like this kind of content
Twosetviolin in Singapore. Can we expect Chloe vid
I really loved the video but can i just say that the cinematography of this video was just something else. The handheld shots especially when one of them was playing behind the others, was just gorgeous.
Man that 1730 Guarneri even through crappy headphones blows everything out of the water.
Love this video - got to learn new facts about the different types of violin and enjoy Twoset’s beautiful playing at the same time🥰 And it’s nice to see Luo Wei again after the “We became youth orchestra conductors for a day!” video!
Thank you thank you..what an amazing chance to hear the difference between the instruments..could have listened for hours..thank you Brett and Eddy and especially the RIN Collection for giving them the opportunity and for the amazing work this collectors did. thank you again….
love seeing brett playing sibelius!
Brett needs to trust his instincts more, he always second guesses himself.
I've determined that the violin being played sounds better than the one that isn't.
It was interesting to see the different the things they played, presumably to test the different properties of the violin. Also, just wanted to say, I appreciate all you two and your team does. You make a 20 minute video fly by, even when it's on a topic I know next to nothing about.
These guys have probably played more Strads then most violinists at this point hahaha
I remember a few years ago when they made an episode comparing the expensive violins to the less expensive violins. They were all laid out on a round table. For some reason I thought it was a table size pizza. Wasn't disappointed when I clicked on the video. That was the first TwoSetViolin video that I watched. Loving the videos ever since.
i dont think i'd mind it being an hour long🙈 i find it... therapeutic😌
Lajos Konya lives in the same city as me :D was good to see his violin in a twoset video!!
"that sound like millions of dollars" i'm not a musician, but i felt that
Subtitled: twoset flexing their violin skills for 20 min
Brett’s Mendy concerto at the beginning was so great as always!
The content is always so amazing and extraordinary! ✨ Loved the Amati, have a soft spot for Amatis for some reason. Great to be able to hear them all, the historical beasts but also the "newer" makers' beautiful creations! 🍃
This and the Strad video are my favorites (idk why) but just watching you guys interact with the instruments and appreciating them makes me happy
I would 100% have looked for clues inside the F holes when nobody was looking 🤣
Looks again like a really interesting video. Great quality for the past few years guys 👌
Part 2 of "guess the violonist"? Please?
As a non violin player I was surprised I got 4/5 too (flopped the first one), and I firmly believe it's thanks to your videos that were educational! There really is a distinct difference in quality of sound, but my favourite is by far the Guaneri. Something about it just hits the soul. Side note, I wouldn't have minded an hour long video of just you guys playing because it's very beautiful.
Thanks for doing this guys! Since I first found you 10 days ago, I've been binging on your vids (I have no life!) and learning so much. I am not classically trained and have no technical expertise, but I have learned a great deal from you -- not to mention how much I enjoy hearing you both play!!! Respect.
I loved the fact that towards the end they just mostly played for the love and joy of it. You could tell how much they were living in the moment. Loved that for them!
And great quality content for us
Brett sounds amazing on #3! It sounded like all that's standing between you and being Ray Chen is $10.000.000.
I wish there was a way we could have been in the room to experience this (not unlike the pipe organ video). The fine details just never come across through video - but even so, the sound and differences in character for all of them are still remarkable!
OMG! This episode is absolutely AMAZING!!! LOVE IT!!! Thank you for showing us these precious historical violins!! 💕💕💕💕💕💕💕
I am so happy that you got to try these violins, and envious.
I have been watching your shows as a three weeks marathon while recuperating from covid. You are amazing!! Brilliant!! And my Shih Tzu 5 month old puppy Suni Sunshine sits on my lap and watches you too. She loves you too! You are awesome! Thank you for the musical education as well as entertainment!!
What I most like is that this is not just "can you tell a mega-expensive violin from one that is merely excellent", but there's also some analysis of how they're different. The most informative one was the fourth trial, when you analysed why Brett got it "wrong".
this is such a good video honestly especially for non-musicians.
at 11:18 Eddy to Siri: "Play Meditation on both."