Is the Book Community Ok? Or Is It in Shambles?

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  • Опубліковано 4 лис 2024

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  • @ShayWithThaHobbies
    @ShayWithThaHobbies 6 місяців тому +62

    THE LOCS IS LOCCING BAYBEE!!!!!

    • @BookishRealm
      @BookishRealm  6 місяців тому +7

      Ayeeeeeeee ❤️❤️❤️

    • @ShayWithThaHobbies
      @ShayWithThaHobbies 6 місяців тому +1

      @@BookishRealm luh you guh 😘🥰😘🥰

  • @skscott34
    @skscott34 6 місяців тому +99

    I feel like authors are being more vocal about reviews and attacking reviewers in what are supposed to be safe spaces. It happened not too recently with the author of Memphis lashing out at reviewers if the reviews weren't glowing ones. They have to realize that not everyone is going to like their work and that's ok.

    • @BookishRealm
      @BookishRealm  6 місяців тому +10

      There does seem to be a lot more of that happening!

  • @ReadtoFilth
    @ReadtoFilth 6 місяців тому +38

    Doxxing has become such a big issue nowadays because of how much we share online nowadays

    • @BookishRealm
      @BookishRealm  6 місяців тому +7

      That’s a good point. We’ve reached a point where we over share.

  • @tyghe_bright
    @tyghe_bright 6 місяців тому +31

    The Freydis Moon situation took me a couple of days to process. I loved the relationship in Heart, Haunt, Havoc. Ironically, if she's written that book without lying about who she is, I'd have still loved it. Now it just feels exploitative and dirty.
    And regardless of who she is, regardless of race or gender or sexuality--the real issue is that they are a bully, who uses their fans as a cudgel. So I'm glad that she was called out.

    • @BookishRealm
      @BookishRealm  6 місяців тому +5

      I’m so so sorry love ❤️

  • @bookworm_and_tea
    @bookworm_and_tea 6 місяців тому +13

    I think the problem is throughout all social medias and society. We've become so defensive of everything, and lots of people are posting on the influence of emotional reactions and don't process before speaking out. Society is changing and people are actively being passive-aggressive online. It's crazy. You can't have 1 post, either it be on Facebook or Twitter or else, without people just being cruel and agressively debating and attacking each other. It's chaos.... I don't enjoy being online anymore.

  • @davidnovakreadspoetry
    @davidnovakreadspoetry 6 місяців тому +42

    I liked Twitter for what it did best - breaking news for example - but I’ve grown comfortable with its absence in my life. So many tempests in teapots I’m missing that I couldn’t restrain myself from participating in. Facebook was never bookish for me, but since “BookTube” I’ve pulled away from it.
    I like videos like this - not even knowing what happened this weekend that you keep bringing up.

    • @BookishRealm
      @BookishRealm  6 місяців тому +4

      I can understand taking a step away from it all!

    • @addunk355
      @addunk355 6 місяців тому +1

      @@BookishRealm Understood. Thank you for the response!

  • @nymeria941
    @nymeria941 6 місяців тому +23

    I’ve been on booktube as long as you have and definitely am increasingly worried about the privacy concerns. I’ve already pulled out of Twitter and don’t have TikTok, and I don’t miss them at all, but at this point, I hate how much mental space things like “am I going to get harassed for an honest review?” take up in my brain. This is all on top of things I deal with as someone who works with the public as an educator, where even though I’m not heavily impacted by book bans and challenges, I’m becoming increasingly alarmed at the number of people I’ve had to ask to not video record me doing my job. It makes me not want to post anything on UA-cam for fun, but I think I’m going to just reevaluate what I share and make some more things private. I used to want to grow to a bigger audience, but now the idea of even reaching 1,000 subscribers freaks me out a little.
    TL;DR: as someone who wasn’t directly impacted by this weekend’s events, I’m not doing ok either when it comes to feeling comfortable sharing my honest reviews! I’m still going to do it, but it definitely was less stressful when I started.

  • @SophiaRavenna
    @SophiaRavenna 6 місяців тому +8

    I really appreciate you pointing out the difference between "drama" and a "call-in/call-out" situation. In my opinion, drama is more petty and interpersonal (ie, "I can't believe my best friend asked out the person they knew I had a crush on!"), and referring to the airing of legitimate complaints as "drama" minimizes the importance of whatever is being brought to light. It also kind of smacks of toxic positivity, as in, if you dare to bring some abuse to light, you're just stirring up drama and ruining the vibes.

  • @KierTheScrivener
    @KierTheScrivener 6 місяців тому +26

    I don't know the full discourse around Queenie but I dnfed it a few years ago. I've read many books that handled it's themes with a lot more care.
    But I had a positive impression because I read Girl Gurl Grrrl by Kenya Brown where she has a really interesting essay on how people imposed her character onto her life so she had to change her hair and things about herself to resemble Queenie less.
    So always hate it when an author claps back at a person for sharing their thoughts. We should be kind but kindness does not always mean positivity.

    • @BookishRealm
      @BookishRealm  6 місяців тому +5

      Exactly!

    • @lastseenontuesday6040
      @lastseenontuesday6040 6 місяців тому +2

      I remember reading a negative review about it like 2 years ago? Because I remember reading it in 2022. I didn't really find it entertaining but i finished it regardless. I thought everyone knew reviews are for readers not for writers. This incident is quite strange to learn about

    • @alyss27
      @alyss27 6 місяців тому

      "we should be kind but kindness does not always mean positivity" i love this and 100% agree

  • @jlstrick1
    @jlstrick1 6 місяців тому +1

    This may be a dumb comment, but it is this kind of behavior that makes me realize how critical information literacy and digital citizenship are in all of our lives. Heavy emphasis on citizenship (community). Social media has definitely made it easier to be reactionary and thoughtless. Accountability for what we put out in the world is essential . As usual, you have brought clarity and thoughtfulness to these issues. You have generated a channel that is a safe and brave space for the book community. ❤

  • @t.a.summers
    @t.a.summers 6 місяців тому +6

    I know what happened with Queenie and Freydis Moon, but I didn't know about a book signing controversy. A lot happened this weekend. Goodness.
    Freydis Moon fooled me too. The few interactions I had with them were positive, but I realized after the fact that they blocked and maligned multiple people I respect. That goes to show how much they isolated people. (And tbf, I'm not on Twitter/X to see everything.)

  • @jaimee-kate
    @jaimee-kate 6 місяців тому +16

    I had no idea about any of this, but that is crazy. Especially because personally I didn't care for the book.

  • @haleylquinton
    @haleylquinton 6 місяців тому +5

    I still don't know what happened this weekend! I've searched TikTok and I can only find positive reviews of Queenie.... I'm so confused, lol. I'm going to keep digging, though! On the one hand, I wish I could ignore this kind of thing... but as someone who tries to create content and makes recommendations, I need to be aware of what's going on so I don't recommend something where the author is terrible. I'm also a writer, and I do hope to be published at some point... so I feel like I should stay up-to-date, even though I don't want to. Because like you said, PEOPLE are being impacted directly.... I can't just look the other way.

    • @Elizabeth-uu5tv
      @Elizabeth-uu5tv 6 місяців тому

      Ms. WOC Reader Goes into Queenie drama

  • @mxmreads5889
    @mxmreads5889 6 місяців тому +11

    This is so interesting to me, because for me it's like... Kind of the opposite feelings wise? Like, for me this feeling of "How is there some kind of explosion every week, what is wrong with parts of this community and with people?!" was really prominent in 2017/18 I wanna say? At that point I was very active in my small bookish corner on Twitter and there was so much ugly crap going on, from very questionable conventions, to racist books and authors getting called out, to so many catfish cases and then there was Santino Hassell and and. I even had a big fight with a now very famous author before he got big, about him calling reviewers trying to hold authors accountable for the most racist crap "drama queens" and basically telling them to just look the other way. Lumping everything together under the term "drama" bugged me then, and still annoys me now, because i absolutely agree with you. But the thing that changed for me over the years is honestly that most of the people who were active then and were doing the work and the friends i had then who kept me informed of all the going ons? They're all gone. They either passed away, or got pushed out of the community spaces or left social media. And then the whole Twitter/X change started happening and I started to leave gradually, too. These days i barely look at goodreads, I don't have tiktok and barely use all the other apps. So I'm like... I don't know if I'm explaining this well. But since I'm not really involved anymore - in anything really, I don't feel like there's more going on with and within the book community, but it's probably because I just don't notice. Unless it's something like Freydis Moon, and that's only because i was active in their corner the first couple of times they got caught and called out. But i do feel like the community in general got to a point where now, it really isn't the time anymore where you can do and say and lie about whatever you want, and get away with it. So that is something that i feel has changed. Least of all because "back then" it felt like the call outs always stayed in the little corner where they were happening, and now the call outs get such a momentum, that they reach more people, really fast across platforms. I hope this long as hell paragraph made any kind of sense. And also as always thank you for your thoughts and thoughtful video ❤

    • @gameoftomes14
      @gameoftomes14 6 місяців тому

      Which author was your fight with?

  • @Michelelynnreads
    @Michelelynnreads 6 місяців тому

    I appreciate your videos about these situations. That’s so upsetting about Queenie author. I enjoy her writing. When I write reviews, I’m writing for other readers. And like you said, authors need to understand that not everyone is going to like their work.

  • @MidwestMeeple
    @MidwestMeeple 6 місяців тому +1

    It’s been forever since I have got to watch you and it so nice to hear your thoughts again! I hope you are well ❤

  • @bhsprinkle
    @bhsprinkle 6 місяців тому +2

    So much drama happened recently in the bookish community. Readers Take Denver, Freydis, Authors telling readers how to review, readers telling others what formats or genres they can read, the people focused on numbers rather that communication with people of common interests, & so much more. Hard working authors are overlooked often. People get huge Author deals then get caught being foul. So, racist or bigot people are getting deals over nice people...but it's not always obvious until later.
    I think that I try to keep things positive. I try to focus on books, fun, and meeting new people.
    The longer I've been here I've noted so much negativity.
    I feel like the book community isn't okay, not as whole unit. Individuals are probably doing better. I feel bad to see so many hard working people suffering. People getting let down or hurt, is awful.

  • @KikeNavarrete68
    @KikeNavarrete68 6 місяців тому +6

    Fights between authors and critics are ancient. Ask Michiko Kakutani from The New York Times, she was the queen of feuds in the 90s (the most famous: Jonathan Franzen, Susan Sontag, Norman Mailer, David Foster Wallace)

  • @ryanelee
    @ryanelee 6 місяців тому +2

    I just saw that the book Queenie was being adapted into a movie. That’s crazy.

  • @GoddessKry
    @GoddessKry 6 місяців тому +5

    I hate I just bought the queenie book last month, her response was so nasty and hearing what the plot is really about makes me sick

  • @SilentMuse
    @SilentMuse 6 місяців тому +3

    Thank you for sharing. Pardon me, may I please ask: where do you go for bookish news and interaction with other book enthusiasts? I only ask as another book lover looking for community. Thank you.

  • @VeiledReflections
    @VeiledReflections 6 місяців тому +5

    The evolution of the internet's ability and enjoyment of digging through people's information has been terrifying to behold, but then we see authors who treat social media as if they're having private conversations, no doxxing required. I feel like we're way passed 'reviews are for readers' and authors need to understand that media training also applies to social media behavior, which can permanently influence their professional trajectory and reputation.
    The Freydís Moon reveal is stunning, it's hard to understand how anyone would even consider committing that sort of fraud. When you're trying to support a voice you identify with, believing they're a part of the landscape changing, that is such a meaningful feeling. This betrayal of people's trust is going to feel so violating to the fans who felt they were uplifting their community by supporting an author 'like them.'

  • @KierTheScrivener
    @KierTheScrivener 6 місяців тому +8

    Would anyone be able to point me to the context of Denver and the others? (I don't have twitter/threads/tiktok so when I try to find context, it is blocked without signing in)
    I've been here for seven years and I've definitely seen the way things have changed and I think in many ways it has gotten healthier. But I think you are right that drama and real problems often get confused. I stepped away from twitter a few years ago because the climate is so hungry for uproar which I think can have two pronged issue that 1) sometimes people get piled on unfairly and 2) real problems that are destructive and hurtful get swept away in the sea of constancy.
    But as you said sometimes this climate makes it easier to speak out. But does it also make their call outs less effective? It's a confusing world.

    • @BookishRealm
      @BookishRealm  6 місяців тому +2

      I’m not sure if it’s made it outside of social media yet to be honest. Nothing really comes up when I Google it either.

    • @_jo-jo_
      @_jo-jo_ 6 місяців тому +1

      Reddit has a lot of info on it, with lots of comments from people who were there. I don't think you need to be registered to read posts either. I hope that helps.

    • @KierTheScrivener
      @KierTheScrivener 6 місяців тому

      @@_jo-jo_ thank you!

    • @Elizabeth-uu5tv
      @Elizabeth-uu5tv 6 місяців тому +6

      On UA-cam:
      With Cindy goes into the Freydis Moon issue.
      MORR Affirmative goes into Readers Take Denver
      Ms. WOC Reader Goes into Queenie drama

    • @Lemonade_Stand_
      @Lemonade_Stand_ 6 місяців тому +1

      I was in the exact same boat but found a video yesterday that covered the readers take denver drama and just noticed a few more pop up on my feed today so i think it is just now starting to come to youtube.

  • @josieann4390
    @josieann4390 5 місяців тому

    💜💜

  • @SymonFirst
    @SymonFirst 6 місяців тому +3

    Another Awesome Video ‼️
    👏🏽💯👏🏽💯 #BookishRealm 💯👏🏽💯👏🏽💯

  • @lusalma5404
    @lusalma5404 6 місяців тому +1

    I think book reviews were more the realm of professionals in newspapers and magazines vs. now where you have average readers rating things on amazon and good reads etc. With the magazines such as romantic times the reviewers had some power and prestige so authors could not attack them over a poor review.
    I am old enough and really never was interested in being a 'fan' (no posters of bands or anything else on my walls as a kid); but I do understand that some authors fandoms are... rabid. Makes BDH look very, very mild.
    And yes... reviews are for the readers not for the authors authors have proofreaders and editors (and even self pub should use them).

  • @QueenCoco
    @QueenCoco 6 місяців тому +3

    -sigh- the freydis moon situation severely irks me because publishing has historically catered to, and employed, white people. so it doesn't sit right with me that this author felt the need to change their race in order to be an author. like there literally is no excuse as to why they felt the need to do that? it's disgusting, insulting, and I'm sure the book would've been received just as well if they were honest about their identity....i also think that due to social media, people have become not just invested in an author's work, but their personal lives, as we have a direct connection to their day-to-day and inner most thoughts. i wouldn't even call figuring out someone's true race doxxing persay, because I'm sure there was just some paper trail that soon became obvious?

    • @Rockinandwatchin
      @Rockinandwatchin 6 місяців тому

      I'm trying to piece this story together. So far, I've noticed people refer to this Freydis Moon as "they", is the person a male or a female or nobody really knows? Never mind, I just Googled the name, now I understand.

  • @dannajeon8895
    @dannajeon8895 6 місяців тому

    I havent see you in a wile and I didnt recognice you. You hair looks so beautiful

  • @chocolateoreo6489
    @chocolateoreo6489 6 місяців тому

    I’m sending you love❤❤❤

  • @pickyourpopculturepoison
    @pickyourpopculturepoison 6 місяців тому +2

    I think the internet is toxic, and any community has the potential to be toxic. As a reader, I like chatting on Booktube and elsewhere about what I’m reading, but as an author, I have no social media. It’s challenging because on one hand, it hurts to see your books reviewed badly (although you have to either avoid or deal, not react) and on the other hand, we have a tendency to celebrity worship. This puts people on pedestals they shouldn’t be on. In terms of doxxing, it’s terrifying but it’s sadly the nature of humans. Why people do things like lie about who they are isn’t something I can explain beyond pen names. But even then, you should be yourself just with another name.
    I don’t know. People are weird. I generally find I’m happier when I don’t interact much with them.

  • @m.a.w.
    @m.a.w. 6 місяців тому

    I think this has always been a problem. But people are finally able to speak up but now there is a dynamic shift. People are speaking out and pointing out the flaws. But the public is having a “scare/panic” so to speak.
    The publication is white dominated and this scared some white authors POC authors are finally having an equal chance.
    The Freydis Moon situation is heart breaking how people are attacking Latino authors and making them prove their ethnicity.
    Readers Take Denver, honestly I have mix feelings. The sexual harassment claim was handled poorly so I don’t trust what management says. So it was an ambitious project with profit on the mind but that isn’t new with conventions. So so many failed conventions recently (fire fest, fiber fest, a knitting one, and now readers take Denver)

  • @ashleys_space
    @ashleys_space 6 місяців тому

    I never see any of this drama happening, and only find out when I come on here. I think I’m in the wrong groups because I couldn’t find any of this on the other social media platforms.😂

  • @Evelyn_Okay
    @Evelyn_Okay 6 місяців тому +1

    Coming from a writer's space, I can't even begin to describe the superiority complexes, self-entitlement, and straight up main-character-syndrom that goes on amongst writers. It's like a never-ending episode of Real Housewives. It's all dictator Libs trying to out-woke each other, debut authors looking down at those who aren't published, and quering writing having an extencial crisis once a week.
    Social media makes it SO MUCH worse bc it traps us in custom hug-boxes that inflate our egos. So when we leave that space, we arent emotionally prepared to face the real world, especially Zoomers and Gen Alpha.
    But us literature girlies can't let the students run the school, even when the principal/publishers allow them to act like fools bc otherwise, we're cooked.

  • @338holly
    @338holly 6 місяців тому

    Now what did I miss? What happened during the weekend.

  • @erinerinerinerinerinerinerin
    @erinerinerinerinerinerinerin 6 місяців тому +11

    Where can I find what happened? I was trying to google it but couldnt find it

    • @BookishRealm
      @BookishRealm  6 місяців тому +1

      TikTok, X, or threads

    • @erinerinerinerinerinerinerin
      @erinerinerinerinerinerinerin 6 місяців тому +2

      @@BookishRealm ooooooooooo that makes sense. I'm not on any of those platforms

    • @BookishRealm
      @BookishRealm  6 місяців тому +1

      @@erinerinerinerinerinerinerin ahhhh yea it’s mainly been on those platforms.

  • @laela2000
    @laela2000 6 місяців тому

    Does anyone have links that explained what happened this weekend? I’m new to the book community so am lost.

  • @colorofspurge
    @colorofspurge 6 місяців тому +1

    I don’t know what drama you are referring to. I would say the book communities are okay, but they still don’t know how to communicate with each other online.

  • @RaspberryDevil
    @RaspberryDevil 6 місяців тому

    I have no point to compare the current call ins/outs with the past because I'm not active on twt, tiktok or insta. If it wasn't for youtube, I wouldn't know about these kind of things. But even though I don't know what you're referring to, we can still have this overall discussion. I also think that we need to be more aware of the difference between drama and accountability. I mean, a user talking for the millionth time about audiobooks not being real reading is different than an author who uses their platform to attack reviewers.

  • @erinpatton
    @erinpatton 6 місяців тому +1

    No & Yes

  • @michellecgb
    @michellecgb 6 місяців тому +2

    Can anyone provide context about the book signing? I haven’t seen anything

    • @BookishRealm
      @BookishRealm  6 місяців тому +1

      If you go to TikTok or threads and just type in readers take Denver you’ll get all the information.

    • @michellecgb
      @michellecgb 6 місяців тому

      @@BookishRealm thank youuu

  • @addunk355
    @addunk355 6 місяців тому +4

    Will the book community begin to censor their content and commentary as comedians now censor themselves to prevent controversy? Am I comparing apples to oranges?

    • @BookishRealm
      @BookishRealm  6 місяців тому +3

      Do you mean like me not going into specifics or is this just a general question?

    • @addunk355
      @addunk355 6 місяців тому +2

      A general question: Could the author's negative reactions cause the book community to be less transparent when reviewing an author's work, especially if the review is low?

    • @BookishRealm
      @BookishRealm  6 місяців тому +4

      @@addunk355 oh yea! To be honest, I already feel like that’s happening.

    • @addunk355
      @addunk355 6 місяців тому

      @@BookishRealm Does that make the review of that book less authentic?

    • @Silverraine1
      @Silverraine1 6 місяців тому

      I thought the book community started to self- censor years ago when GR started taking down reviews