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  • @thebestcentaur
    @thebestcentaur 2 роки тому +67

    Man-the hype for this guy was through the ROOF

    • @XabzintheNBAGuru
      @XabzintheNBAGuru 2 роки тому +3

      Tell me about it, I used to shout Jimmer everytime I took a 3 point J

    • @necrophagiakc
      @necrophagiakc 2 роки тому +12

      They will be forever searching for their next Larry Bird do not be mistaken Europeans don't count they'll forever search for the American wyt star

    • @JesusChrist2000BC
      @JesusChrist2000BC Рік тому +3

      ​@@necrophagiakc Reminds me of Jeremy Lin.

    • @kevinsmith1412
      @kevinsmith1412 Рік тому +2

      @@necrophagiakc best comment on UA-cam bro they can't wait to find that next American born larry bird they've been waiting for decades when ever he is found the Celtics will get him and make him the richest white basketball player EVER

    • @davidstone9154
      @davidstone9154 Рік тому

      @@necrophagiakc A basketball player is a basketball player, regardless of skin color.

  • @chillralph5224
    @chillralph5224 2 роки тому +23

    Lmaoooooo when other teams realized he couldn’t do anything else besides scoring they passed him around like a loosy in Harlem🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @litoo4958
    @litoo4958 2 роки тому +12

    “They passed him around like a loosie in Harlem” 😂😂

  • @lonniecousar1493
    @lonniecousar1493 2 роки тому +26

    I'm from the same area as Jimmer. I remember that everyone was wearing Jimmer everything including my supervisor. When I tried to explain that he wouldn't make it in the NBA she said "why, cause he's white" lol. I tried to explain his flaws but nobody understood. Thanks for the video

    • @lonniecousar1493
      @lonniecousar1493 2 роки тому +5

      He would go to prisons to play in the off season just to improve his game but would also bring a smile to those locked up. Salute to him and his family

    • @oluhamilton2121
      @oluhamilton2121 Рік тому

      Everybody wants to play the race card when it comes to b-ball. In truth, there ARE some nasty white boys out there that are too numerous to mention.

  • @SammysmSoulGlow
    @SammysmSoulGlow 2 роки тому +18

    Jammer played at BYU the same time Kwahwi Leonard played at San Diego St. They had some great battles in Mountain West Conference play.

    • @-HughJass-
      @-HughJass- Рік тому +3

      I remember not knowing who Kawhi Leonard was, but lord knows we never heard the end of Jimmer. The media couldn't stop talking about him. It's funny how things changed once they got to the NBA.

    • @thescatman5029
      @thescatman5029 Рік тому +2

      @Rob We knew who Kawhi was. That rivalry was so hot, they put BYU-San Diego State on the Main CBS channel. Never seen CBS do that with that type of conference, before or since.

  • @LeggoMyLegHoe
    @LeggoMyLegHoe 2 роки тому +22

    Man said "He was passed around like a loosey in Harlem" 😂

  • @Jimifan57
    @Jimifan57 Рік тому +11

    Jimmer is a legend over here in China. You show a clip of his dust-up with Stephon Marbury, the result of Jimmer dropping a 54-point, 13-rebound, 10-assist triple double on the very frustrated Marbury, who had four points. Jimmer can run an offense and pass, but he has to have the ball in his hands all the time, and that's not going to happen in the NBA. I've talked to him a couple of times here and he seems to be a good guy.

    • @gobot581
      @gobot581 Рік тому +1

      Litterally most guards in the league can run an offense if you give them the ball all the time and dont care about efficiency. Which will be a lottery team.

    • @breakmylegs7294
      @breakmylegs7294 Рік тому +1

      Starbury was like in his mid 40s then 😂

  • @LION0410
    @LION0410 2 роки тому +26

    The Lonely Master,Dude Can hoop !
    I think if he worked on his ball-handling and ball distribution and how to run an offense dude could’ve stayed in the League a lot more time

    • @mariogilbert4260
      @mariogilbert4260 Рік тому

      What does being complacent mean?
      feeling so satisfied with your own abilities or situation that you feel you do not need to try any harder:

  • @Kingkoopa30
    @Kingkoopa30 2 роки тому +4

    Austin Daye outta Gonzaga, I thought ole boy was gonna be a beast then he just flamed out.

  • @garretindall2820
    @garretindall2820 2 роки тому +4

    I remembered when Jimmers highlights would come on ESPN and the host would end them with, "Winner, Winner,, Jimmer Dinner." 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣

  • @cranmanjr
    @cranmanjr 2 роки тому +32

    Something else to mention is because he was the guy at BYU he allegedly had a huge ego which affected how teams looked at him as well. I’m sure he is a bit more humble now but that was also definitely a huge thing that kept him bouncing from team to team

    • @elliemyers6435
      @elliemyers6435 2 роки тому +2

      Yeah, I read that too. Apparently early on, he wanted everything to be about him and to have the neon green light like he had at BYU, and the NBA was like "Ummmm, no. You have to earn that" much like the video astutely pointed out. I too think he's more humble now, but that was definitely an issue for him initially.

    • @wbae1340
      @wbae1340 Рік тому

      I’ve never heard of this ever, where did you read this lol. I remember after signing his nba contract he bought like a Honda Accord and a small apt, doesn’t sound like what you said…

    • @wbae1340
      @wbae1340 Рік тому

      @@elliemyers6435 lol nice 1 article from a website I’ve never heard of. Sounds trustworthy

    • @elliemyers6435
      @elliemyers6435 Рік тому

      @@wbae1340 The Sporting news is a pretty reputable site. And other people had heard this about him...As the person who posted this said, I am sure he's more humble now, but it seemed like that attitude issue he had didn't help matters. Plus, he can't play effectively at the NBA level without having a high usage rate, so I can understand why he would initially feel like he should have been given the same green light he was given at BYU

    • @cranmanjr
      @cranmanjr Рік тому +4

      @@wbae1340 on the court ego, not his off the court ego. They are separate things. He was a very it’s all about me kind of player coming into the league initially

  • @nathanshlap
    @nathanshlap 2 роки тому +16

    This makes me think of Dougie Mcbuckets. He was that guy in college, struggled to begin his career, and then became an insignificant role player

    • @CM-ft9ep
      @CM-ft9ep 2 роки тому +6

      Couple things McBuckets had going for him: he's 6'7" and a decent athlete, meaning he can do things a smaller guy can't. Also, he's the son of a coach, which normally means he's better at learning the game.

    • @ConcaCon
      @ConcaCon Рік тому +1

      As a double-digit scorer with elite shooting, McDermott's hardly insignificant. It's just that he's on the rebuilding Spurs.

    • @nathanshlap
      @nathanshlap Рік тому

      @@ConcaCon He's a double digit scorer because he's on the spurs

  • @336legend6
    @336legend6 2 роки тому +12

    Could you do one on pj hairston and marshall henderson?

  • @themoshigh
    @themoshigh 2 роки тому +5

    Passed him around like a loosie in Harlem lol

  • @RebelTXWrestling
    @RebelTXWrestling 2 роки тому +6

    I went to a Rockets preseason game in Oct 2018 playing against Shangai which had Fredette and former Rocket Luis Scola on the team. Jimmer scored 41 out of the team's 86 points in the entire game.

  • @mommomconnection
    @mommomconnection Рік тому +2

    Passed around like a loosey in Harlem😂😂😂 bruh you had some jokes on this one

  • @ReggieandMiloTheCat
    @ReggieandMiloTheCat 2 роки тому +5

    Everyone talked like Jimmer was going to be this new kind of offensive player prototype. Turns out he was just REALLY one-dimensional.

  • @uncomfortabletruth2988
    @uncomfortabletruth2988 2 роки тому +9

    Didn’t you do a video on Fredette stunted growth already 🤔

  • @hapman
    @hapman Рік тому +2

    Hearing he ain’t been in the league since 18-19 hit my ears like 1819 lol

  • @joecabrera7368
    @joecabrera7368 2 роки тому +6

    Hey @Stuntedgrowth I’d love to see a video on either David Noel - UNC COLLEGE BEAST. Or Grevis Vasquez- Maryland Terps-NBA failure sort of.

  • @Jonathanfifer00
    @Jonathanfifer00 2 роки тому +15

    Dude was unreal at BYU

  • @demarcuscousins3rdcousin
    @demarcuscousins3rdcousin 2 роки тому +38

    I knew he wouldn't make it in the NBA because he had zero defense ability and couldn't go left consistently and couldn't create his own shot. He could shoot but didn't get stronger and had a hard time reading defenses and struggled when in the pick and roll. Overall he was a dynamic player in college and to be fair had he had different coaching on another team he could have been at least serviceable in the NBA because he had shooting ability but he lacked confidence early on

    • @manospheredefender991
      @manospheredefender991 2 роки тому

      Dude stop it. U know how many players in the nba dont play defense. Nba is no longer about defense. It’s about highlights and entertainment with deep 3 pointers,Crossovers and dunks to boost ratings. He jus came in the wrong era. Jimmer would be a great role player in this eras style of basketball with all the 3 pointers and crossover

    • @PhilMiCoochie
      @PhilMiCoochie Рік тому

      Had you had he had you had better English teachers maybe I could understand wtf you trynna say foo

    • @mariogilbert4260
      @mariogilbert4260 Рік тому

      What does being complacent mean?
      feeling so satisfied with your own abilities or situation that you feel you do not need to try any harder:

    • @RIDGEMATIC
      @RIDGEMATIC Рік тому

      @@PhilMiCoochie LOL

  • @GTapelive
    @GTapelive Рік тому +1

    Yo JC that passed him around like a Lucy in Harlem bit had me trippn g lol 😂 😂 😂.. Hell of analogy

  • @DocKRight
    @DocKRight 2 роки тому +14

    Do you think you could do a stunted growth on Darius miles? He went from 14ppg to out of the league edit: just saw he already did one 3 years ago my bad😅

    • @Jonathanfifer00
      @Jonathanfifer00 2 роки тому +11

      He did

    • @joebruce4826
      @joebruce4826 2 роки тому +1

      I bought that bum Cleveland jersey instead of a lbj jersey what a mistake

  • @Chevvvvv
    @Chevvvvv Рік тому +1

    Ego can either mold you or destroy you.

  • @thescatman5029
    @thescatman5029 2 роки тому +3

    I remember him, as a rookie, breaking down a defender and driving to the basket. The weak side defender slides in the paint to stop his drive. Jimmer pulls up. But his defender he broke down recovers, and has his hand able to defend Jimmer's pull up J, from behind. Jimmer feels him, from behind, and ends up altering his shot, in mid air.
    That play, alone, told me that Jimmer, who could easily blow by college defenders and weak side cats sliding in the paint, had some adjustment he had to do, regarding the speed of the NBA. As we see, he was not able to adjust.

  • @DwayneJr1
    @DwayneJr1 2 роки тому +5

    Crazy that you made this. I was just watching his highlights last night. I think I'll be checking some Adam Morrison next lol.

  • @Raygun34
    @Raygun34 2 роки тому +3

    Jimmer can hoop; overseas was just his lane nothing wrong with that.

  • @jasonoliver1034
    @jasonoliver1034 2 роки тому +7

    Great Video JC, you should do Aaron Gordon next. Cause a lot of people were making him to be the "Next Blake Griffin" back never had that success in Orlando. He's doing ok in Denver as a "Role Player" but I think his "Star Power" to be an All-Star is dead in my opinion 😔

  • @BigCruddyTv
    @BigCruddyTv 2 роки тому +2

    We used to yell JIMMER!! before Curry #facts

  • @RennWickam
    @RennWickam 2 роки тому +6

    Sacramento should have had an interesting backcourt with big PG Tyreke Evans and small SG Jimmer Fredette, but when they drafted Jimmer they took the ball out of Tyreke's hands and tried to make Jimmer a "True PG" similarly to early years Steph Curry. I know the problems with Jimmer go beyond this, but I still hate the way Sacramento misused both of their talents

    • @CM-ft9ep
      @CM-ft9ep 2 роки тому +1

      But with Jimmer running the point Evans would have never touched the ball, Jimmer wasn't interested or capable of passing. Exactly why he couldn't last in the league.

    • @RennWickam
      @RennWickam 2 роки тому +5

      @@CM-ft9ep I think you misunderstood what I said. The Kings took the ball out of Evans after year one and tried to make him a wing instead of the slashing facilitator he was his rookie year, and then tried to make Jimmer a True PG instead of a small SG. They got their roles reversed, and while Jimmer's problems were far easier to see, I think it really messed up Evan's career and is why he peaked his rookie year

    • @CM-ft9ep
      @CM-ft9ep 2 роки тому +1

      @@RennWickam Oh yeah, you right. Tyreke coulda been amazing. And, Kings stay f-ing up good careers.

    • @blameitonben
      @blameitonben Рік тому +1

      I think the problem was Tyreke+Jimmer+ Cousins.
      Tyreke and Jimmer could've worked ok, sharing handling and running off screens, etc. He did fine on a team in Greece with a similar set up (jimmer playing as a SG a lot of the time).
      But having too elite scoring guards doesn't work that well with Demarcus wants the ball to Iso up on 30 percent of the plays.

  • @jchurchie
    @jchurchie Рік тому +1

    Jimmer is essentially the Johnny Manziel of basketball

  • @grindfamilymusic4853
    @grindfamilymusic4853 2 роки тому +3

    I remember him coming into the draft I didn't know much about him we drafted him then traded him to the Kings he had a lot of hype people said we'll regret trading him😬

  • @MrRichie1rich
    @MrRichie1rich 2 роки тому +4

    Let’s be real he started with the kings. That’s It that was his problem. Had he went to a team who actually had a development team he would’ve came out alot better

    • @DMalltheway
      @DMalltheway Рік тому +1

      Miami would’ve been good or Utah

  • @elmayimbe_the_amateur_mechanic

    Despite not being able to guard a chair and being small, I thought he would stick because he could shoot.

    • @AEBUDIS
      @AEBUDIS 8 місяців тому

      You have to be able to do way more than shoot. This is a Grown Man league 😭😭

  • @jessearias2863
    @jessearias2863 2 роки тому +1

    💯 percent right JC he was a one hit wonder a few good games in college and nothing else. The hype train can take you to the top. But, you don't get to stay there.

  • @itsnotbleach
    @itsnotbleach 2 роки тому +4

    How does this man not have 100k

  • @mr.reroute
    @mr.reroute Рік тому +1

    He’s a Hall of Famer based off his senior year at BYU ALONE.. idc what anyone says.

  • @patrik32
    @patrik32 Рік тому

    I love your videos, in this one I was missing the one when he tried to tell POP to make plays for him ( he was on a 10day contract)

  • @marianotorrez179
    @marianotorrez179 Рік тому

    Passed around like a loosey in Harlem🤣🤣 Gold.

  • @TattletaleStrangler_
    @TattletaleStrangler_ Рік тому

    “Passed him around like a loosey in Harlem” 🤣🤣

  • @d1inonly
    @d1inonly Рік тому

    "....They passed him around like a loosey in Harlem...." 🤣🤣🤣

  • @shmaelalmonor7810
    @shmaelalmonor7810 2 роки тому +1

    You think you could do Harry Giles or thon maker. Man they was so nice in highschool!

    • @ry_an.
      @ry_an. 2 роки тому

      Hary Giles mostly injuries thon maker just didnt flesh out

  • @Dr_Magi
    @Dr_Magi 2 роки тому +4

    We need a Oscar Schmidt Stunted Growth 🔥🔥🔥🔥

    • @GuilhermePereira-co7pi
      @GuilhermePereira-co7pi 2 роки тому +1

      I am brazilian for us Oscar has stunt his growth because he choose play in olympic instead of the nba, real og move, im not a osrcar fan but this was "People champs" type of thing (sorry for my english)

    • @Dr_Magi
      @Dr_Magi 2 роки тому +2

      @@GuilhermePereira-co7pi I always wondered about the Brazilian Durant before we even knew of Durant

  • @raheazy115
    @raheazy115 Рік тому

    The basketball version of Irish Terry Conklin 🤣

  • @thetruth619ful
    @thetruth619ful 2 роки тому

    Been waiting for this for ages

  • @itachi019
    @itachi019 2 роки тому +1

    I got have some of his games on my Hard drive... What about my boy Jameer Nelson?

  • @bigpapapaycheck
    @bigpapapaycheck 2 роки тому

    My favorite video yet, you rock!

  • @RikoSuavv215
    @RikoSuavv215 Рік тому +1

    Passed him around like a loosie in Harlem got it 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @stampscapes
    @stampscapes 2 роки тому

    Always great vids S.G.!

  • @deonjohnson2302
    @deonjohnson2302 2 роки тому +1

    He needs this platform the man had a bright future

  • @briizy300
    @briizy300 2 роки тому +1

    I wish the media and Danes weren’t so fixated on seeing/finding the next mike Steph bron etc why can’t we just j on why players themselves because that’s a ridiculous amount of pressure to put on any one

  • @kevinmcmillan2630
    @kevinmcmillan2630 Рік тому +1

    As far as the hype goes he reminds me of Johnny manzell with all the hype and expectation

  • @thebestcentaur
    @thebestcentaur 2 роки тому +1

    Think you could do LaRue Martin? Dude was basically the first Anthony Bennett

  • @DannyFrio
    @DannyFrio Рік тому

    8:55 I wasn’t ready for that closing statement

  • @christophernabors6631
    @christophernabors6631 2 роки тому +2

    Can we get a video on Perry Jones? That dude was insane in high school.

  • @BlackMale1st
    @BlackMale1st 2 роки тому +2

    I think the biggest stunt came because Sacramento didn't support him the way Golden State supported Steph. Sacramento sucked back then like they do now. They should have given him the green light for a full season and ran the offense through him.

  • @JoeCnNd
    @JoeCnNd Рік тому +1

    Good to see I'm not the only one who has problems spelling necessary.

    • @twissan
      @twissan Рік тому

      “Necessary” used to be the biggest spelling struggle for me

  • @davidbelanger9952
    @davidbelanger9952 2 роки тому +1

    The three point revolution arrived in the ncaa before the nba

    • @jacobsee4196
      @jacobsee4196 Рік тому

      The line is noticeably shorter, so it makes senee

  • @ManovSteelo
    @ManovSteelo 2 роки тому +1

    Great player collegiately who def would have benefitted from NIL payday(s). Thought he would be OK as a pro but decided to still play college hoops in the NBA, so he failed. Great lesson for folks, in that you always have to meet or exceed the challenge where you are, and that the past is merely prologue. RIP to his US career; I know he did his Thing overseas, tho.

  • @malcolmanderson4461
    @malcolmanderson4461 2 роки тому +2

    Gotta do Brandon Knight next!!!

  • @Dudesaidthat
    @Dudesaidthat 2 роки тому +5

    I still think he could be be at least a Seth curry in the NBA

    • @CM-ft9ep
      @CM-ft9ep 2 роки тому

      Curry is great playing off the ball, Jimmer is incapable of doing that. There's the killer.

  • @himekomurata72
    @himekomurata72 2 роки тому +2

    Can you do Tony Wroten, that guy suddenly vanished

  • @albgamin410
    @albgamin410 Рік тому

    Shootin like jimmer… you betta be a swimma

  • @wayofrivera
    @wayofrivera 2 роки тому +3

    U should do justice winslow next

  • @cjperry3372
    @cjperry3372 Рік тому

    "Passed him around like a loosey in Harlem" killed me

  • @XabzintheNBAGuru
    @XabzintheNBAGuru 2 роки тому +1

    Damn been a minute since I heard of this man

  • @bradleybeal8163
    @bradleybeal8163 2 роки тому

    Great series, really high quality!! would love to see one on Steve Francis

  • @AwoL205
    @AwoL205 Рік тому

    Hasn't played in the NBA in over 200 years! Wow. Since 1819

  • @twissan
    @twissan Рік тому

    Admittedly, I thought he was destined to be even better than Steph. But I also didn’t think Steph would be more than a 20 ppg guy.

  • @superdopehiphop
    @superdopehiphop Рік тому +1

    As someone who watched Steve Nash at Santa Clara and Jimmer at BYU I thought Jimmer def had some Nash to his game. Bad defensively, but very good offensively in college. It didn’t help getting drafted by Kings. I think at worst he could of been a poor man’s Lou Williams off bench or at least Jeremy Lin type for someone if given the chance.

  • @hooligan5381
    @hooligan5381 Рік тому

    The Johnny Manziel of Basketball

  • @Brian00007
    @Brian00007 2 роки тому +1

    Al Thornton next

  • @wills8878
    @wills8878 Рік тому

    This man had whole gyms in the hood shooting and saying JIMMER!! He was that guy!

  • @bossmancl5074
    @bossmancl5074 Рік тому

    Is there a video for Martell Webster?

  • @mariogilbert4260
    @mariogilbert4260 Рік тому

    What does being complacent mean?
    feeling so satisfied with your own abilities or situation that you feel you do not need to try any harder:
    Complacency
    Complacency
    Complacency

  • @dominickfloyd8091
    @dominickfloyd8091 2 роки тому +1

    As Ice cube 🧊 said he was a “ Big fish 🎣 in a small pound 💯

  • @Mikami151515
    @Mikami151515 Рік тому +1

    Put him on 2k my team please 2k.

  • @nicksandz3209
    @nicksandz3209 Рік тому

    I tried to tell people hê wasn't going to do good in the NBA and everyone said I was crazy, however I did want him to become a solid player but teams never gave him enough playing time

  • @markdermody7370
    @markdermody7370 Рік тому

    I had a lot of hopes for him

  • @thewayoflj9344
    @thewayoflj9344 Рік тому

    As a coach now, I can look at Jimmer's shooting mechanics and know why he didn't have success in the league: always off balance, a hitch, inconsistent shot off the catch. He's a ball dominant 2 guard in a frat boy's body

  • @albgamin410
    @albgamin410 Рік тому

    🔥🔥🔥

  • @Magicstockton
    @Magicstockton Рік тому

    Yo SG what happened to the bench scorer role?

  • @RikoSuavv215
    @RikoSuavv215 Рік тому +1

    It was obvious he wouldn’t pan out idk how he made it to the nba but then again he had the complexion for the protection smh being white def has its perks man damn

  • @T-time813
    @T-time813 Рік тому

    peace bro. how do you feel about teddy dupay? he averaged 40 in high school!

  • @Greg_Deep
    @Greg_Deep Рік тому

    Mac is having the same issue.

  • @JesusChrist2000BC
    @JesusChrist2000BC Рік тому +1

    Had to be his attitude because guys with way worse shots and worse defense than him are starting right now.

  • @RIDGEMATIC
    @RIDGEMATIC Рік тому +1

    Idk I feel like The Jimmer never got a fair shake in the nba. I mean, you tell me he can't shoot in 20 minutes off a good team's bench? Doesn't make sense

  • @swiftmillie9677
    @swiftmillie9677 2 роки тому

    You should Do one on Wiley Cauley Stein

  • @AEBUDIS
    @AEBUDIS 8 місяців тому

    Yo JC said “Slow Footed naturally” 😭😭 That’s a whole fact he his slow footed naturally lol. That doesn’t translate to the NBA well. Especially at that height.

  • @j4genius961
    @j4genius961 2 роки тому +2

    Did you call Curry "Maybe even top 10 all time"? There ain't no maybe sir🤣🤦🏿‍♂️, he might even be top 5: Jordan, Lebron, and Kareem are the only players I would definitely put above him as of now. Guys like Magic, Wilt, Bill Russel, Larry Bird etc are arguable depending on which factor/attribute/accolade you choose to highlight

  • @Jackson_88836
    @Jackson_88836 Рік тому

    Do Greg oden next🔥🔥

  • @floydturner2957
    @floydturner2957 2 роки тому

    You’d think a shooter would always have a roster spot. Still true for the most part, buoy With the long ball being so commonplace in today’s game, a guy who may not shoot as well, but good enough and can guard 2-3 positions will take that roster spot a guy like joker used to have on lock

  • @mxchael9931
    @mxchael9931 2 роки тому +1

    stunt gorwth on shappez napier or glenn Robinson n the third

  • @KSoloLoso
    @KSoloLoso Рік тому

    8:59 😂😂😂😂😂

  • @kingsofthenerds3695
    @kingsofthenerds3695 2 роки тому

    I feel like this is more about Steph Curry than it was jimmer..bro forgot the biggest stunt to his career which was getting drafted to the Kings

  • @oidinkdeylikeme
    @oidinkdeylikeme Рік тому

    Can we get a Josh Selby Stunted Growth next

  • @chrispy2014
    @chrispy2014 2 роки тому

    1819 was a good year

  • @KDRusha
    @KDRusha Рік тому

    Imagine bro knocking at your door asking if you’ve heard about our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. 😅

  • @Magicstockton
    @Magicstockton Рік тому

    I’m 38. I’ve always said Jimmer is a better shooting, less athletic white Ben Gordon.