Thank you Bino. Another excellent video on how to climb safe and stay alive. One thing I noticed, if they put the release facing away from the termination knot side, perhaps it might mitigate the issue.
I was wondering if a friction hitch cord (eye to eye) could be tied to a termination knot, that would move the knot away and not interfere with a hitch climbers pulley. Would that work? How safe would that be?
Another great lesson, thanks. BTW what is your waist size?, mine is 54 inches and I can't find a good harness that fits, To small any suggestions? Again, Thanks.
When this happens to a production climber....they call it Tuesday. The same issue can arise when using a prussik cord. The best solution is to run a tight eye, it virtually eliminates the problem. This is a major issue and something every climber should be aware of when running a terminal knot in certain systems.
Thank you again for this good safety video again. I climb myself always with a zig-zag and a figure 8 for termination knot. I will definitely change this termination knot. I never thaugh a was putting myself at risk using a figure 8. Great video again
Figure eight knot actually elimenates the problem he's talking about because you can make the loop longer and the knot will be completely out of the way of the chain. Just add a carabiner that has an isolator/captive on it so the loop cant spin around on the carabiner. You can also add a thick rubber band where the loop meets the biner to make the loop tight.
I use the Kong D.N.A. Ovilone & it keeps things pretty much away or out of your way no matter what the situation. It's also a steel carabiner so it gives you some weight to throw it wherever you need as well.
In my 6 months of zig zag use, I’m often tying a termination knot because it threads better on my short non-spliced rope. Besides the silky smooth performance, my second favorite feature is the ability to space the termination knot away from the down button, and the third is the built in swivel. For MRS I use the other rated hole, as it keeps a larger gap between chain trigger and anchor bend while also keeping the rubber grooves in the ‘chicane hole’ in better shape….I have not yet climbed very high on my zig zag because my short rope has no splices and my new long rope has two (I just clip the chicane to the hitch climber for higher projects) Anybody have experience threading a splife/slaice through this zig zag? Does it wear out the splice more quickly?
I have a simple solution to that, I just tie a bowline so the knot is well above the biner, it will never interfere with the petzel or any regular friction hitch and a hitchclimber pulley, also with the bowline the termination on the rope at the biner will always be in a different spot and not wearing on the same place all the time like a spliced eye etc. :{)
That's true it could make it higher but a bowline is not the best termination knot because it can come loose unless you are using a Yosemite finish. The carabiner on the ZigZag it tight but if it were to loosen up it could side load your carabiner.
hey bino.thanks for researching and sharing.if we can save one life,we are winning.it's our lives depend on sharing possible issues.a hundred thousand blessings be upon you and yours.mad dog (57now but coming all my life.respect my friend .maddog.off grid working restricted access jobs in West cork.republic of Ireland.just subscribed unconditional love and safety
Buen Video Bino H ...Antes de Tener una Curda con ""eye Splice"" yo subia con el ZigZag y le hacia un ""figure 8"" a la altura de mi cabeza y con Cinta electrica amarraba para hacerle el ""eye"" en la carabina asi no tenia problema con lo ""bulky"" del nudo y la parte del zigzag
That was a good video I haven't had any issues like that with my zigzag maybe it's zig zag should make a longer Caribbean to open and not from hitting the chain
I prefer the anchor hitch. No issues🤙 also I roll the tail end of the hitch to the body side of the carabiner opposite of the gate so that I can open it freely without the tail interfering.
I’ve stopped using the zig zag on crane jobs on the last tree I removed a branch hit the device as the operator was moving me through the tree and it ran. I was double tied so nothing happened but it could have.
I’ve been using a knot for three years and I only put my carabiner on the second hole never the first hole cuz it will get stuck, never have I had it run
not a climber, but could there be a cable loop or a rod with eyes on either end or a super long caribiner that would move the knot well above the zig zag?
I always start with an eye but it eventually gets removed and im forced to use a knot. Ive never slipped more than a few inches when using an anchor knot, though I prefer an eye any day. I'm quick to remove ten feet of the eye end (where the rope gets the hardest use) at the first sign of damage
Dude I have a question, I been using muy Zig Zag & Chicane with Drenaline for years and it just works perfect on SRS and MRS. I just got a blue moon rope 11.7, works ok with zig zag in MRS, but when i put the chicane on, the hole sistem slips, kind of dangerous. How is that possible or why do that happens?
@@BinoH makes sense, thanks for your answer. I have been using my Zig Zag with Chicane with teufelberger drenaline 11.8mm for years and it just works perfect on SRS and MRS. I tested the rope teufelberger fly 11.1 and works fine with zig zag plus mechanical device, even Zig zag allows 11.5 as minimum rope size. Why could slips with a 11.7 brand new rope in SRS?
Just make the loop of rope from your knot longer so it doesn't touch the go link of the ZZ and use a cable tie around the loop just above the top of the biner 👍
With the ready availability of spliced eyes, there’s no reason to use a termination knot. Eyes eliminate the problems highlighted in this video, and they also save time which saves fatigue, and eliminate the possibility of knot tying errors which injure and kill tree workers regularly
My novice untrained point of view: Not for me! I do think it is a convenient tool, but it is so easy to use that any twig, bump etc. could set it off. What they could do to make it safer is to reverse spring load it. Meaning; to activate the trigger release (descend) the device requires greater force to be applied against a spring. The spring job is to want the device to be in the locked position at all times requiring a greater force to release the trigger to descend. Or just shit can this device and buy one that is a better design. You can only fall to your death once. (JF)
Everything looks brand new and shiny. Climb with it a few seasons before trying to educate ppl on the fence about advancing their own skill and techniques
Thanks for your friendly, careful, experienced, conscientious videos sharing your tree climbing knowledge, tips, techniques for beginners and experts.
So nice of you, Take care!
Good vid , it’s the little things that can get you hurt or killed out there , I like how you pay attention to detail Bino !
Thank you, very true. Take care!
Great video Bino! I enjoy your tips. Thanks!
My pleasure!
Thank you Bino. Another excellent video on how to climb safe and stay alive.
One thing I noticed, if they put the release facing away from the termination knot side, perhaps it might mitigate the issue.
I use the hole farther away from the zig zag itself for my termination connection it keeps them further apart
i was lookin for that . pretty simple . be safe out there
I was wondering if a friction hitch cord (eye to eye) could be tied to a termination knot, that would move the knot away and not interfere with a hitch climbers pulley. Would that work? How safe would that be?
Another great lesson, thanks. BTW what is your waist size?, mine is 54 inches and I can't
find a good harness that fits, To small any suggestions? Again, Thanks.
I'm 44. I fit well in the Buckingham Master 5.0 XL and the Buckingham Navigator XL. My adjustments are not maxed out.
@@BinoH Thanks, John
When this happens to a production climber....they call it Tuesday. The same issue can arise when using a prussik cord. The best solution is to run a tight eye, it virtually eliminates the problem. This is a major issue and something every climber should be aware of when running a terminal knot in certain systems.
Thanks for sharing!
Thank you again for this good safety video again.
I climb myself always with a zig-zag and a figure 8 for termination knot.
I will definitely change this termination knot. I never thaugh a was putting myself at risk using a figure 8.
Great video again
Thanks for sharing, take care!
Figure eight knot actually elimenates the problem he's talking about because you can make the loop longer and the knot will be completely out of the way of the chain. Just add a carabiner that has an isolator/captive on it so the loop cant spin around on the carabiner. You can also add a thick rubber band where the loop meets the biner to make the loop tight.
I use the Kong D.N.A. Ovilone & it keeps things pretty much away or out of your way no matter what the situation. It's also a steel carabiner so it gives you some weight to throw it wherever you need as well.
Thanks for sharing!
In my 6 months of zig zag use, I’m often tying a termination knot because it threads better on my short non-spliced rope. Besides the silky smooth performance, my second favorite feature is the ability to space the termination knot away from the down button, and the third is the built in swivel. For MRS I use the other rated hole, as it keeps a larger gap between chain trigger and anchor bend while also keeping the rubber grooves in the ‘chicane hole’ in better shape….I have not yet climbed very high on my zig zag because my short rope has no splices and my new long rope has two (I just clip the chicane to the hitch climber for higher projects) Anybody have experience threading a splife/slaice through this zig zag? Does it wear out the splice more quickly?
Thanks for sharing!
Hola Bino! Mi cuerda no tiene splice,que nudo me recomiendas para utilizar con el zigzag anchor hitch o fisherman? Saludos
I like the Double Fisherman's.
I have a simple solution to that, I just tie a bowline so the knot is well above the biner, it will never interfere with the petzel or any regular friction hitch and a hitchclimber pulley, also with the bowline the termination on the rope at the biner will always be in a different spot and not wearing on the same place all the time like a spliced eye etc. :{)
That's true it could make it higher but a bowline is not the best termination knot because it can come loose unless you are using a Yosemite finish. The carabiner on the ZigZag it tight but if it were to loosen up it could side load your carabiner.
hey bino.thanks for researching and sharing.if we can save one life,we are winning.it's our lives depend on sharing possible issues.a hundred thousand blessings be upon you and yours.mad dog (57now but coming all my life.respect my friend .maddog.off grid working restricted access jobs in West cork.republic of Ireland.just subscribed unconditional love and safety
Very true spreading the word of safety can save lives! Thank you very much! Take care!
Buen Video Bino H ...Antes de Tener una Curda con ""eye Splice"" yo subia con el ZigZag y le hacia un ""figure 8"" a la altura de mi cabeza y con Cinta electrica amarraba para hacerle el ""eye"" en la carabina asi no tenia problema con lo ""bulky"" del nudo y la parte del zigzag
Thanks for sharing!
That was a good video I haven't had any issues like that with my zigzag maybe it's zig zag should make a longer Caribbean to open and not from hitting the chain
Thank you.
I prefer the anchor hitch. No issues🤙 also I roll the tail end of the hitch to the body side of the carabiner opposite of the gate so that I can open it freely without the tail interfering.
Thanks for sharing!
I’ve stopped using the zig zag on crane jobs on the last tree I removed a branch hit the device as the operator was moving me through the tree and it ran. I was double tied so nothing happened but it could have.
Wow, I think I would have to go home and clean my shorts. It's good everything worked out. Thanks for sharing!
I need a system for attachment to rope around concrete chimney to let me clean gutters safety that I can make long. / short one handed ?
I don't work on roof but have a look at this. ua-cam.com/video/L4IdBBT4V4U/v-deo.html
I suppose that’s still probably safer than how we use to do it in my day before the invention of ropes and the combustion engine.
Were you form the 3 strand days?
Been using zigzag for years w/ an anchor hitch knot, no issues ever. I'm not sure how your rope is gonna run when you grab both legs.
Thanks for sharing. True if you are holding it tight it should not go anywhere. It does show it as a precaution on the manual though.
Curious as to why you use the Zig Zag without the Chicane & SRT?
Thats all I use these days.
A lot of people like MRS and feel the that this is one of the best MRS systems. I like SRS when I climb.
How much zig zac price in msian money boss
I’ve been using a knot for three years and I only put my carabiner on the second hole never the first hole cuz it will get stuck, never have I had it run
Thanks for sharing!
not a climber, but could there be a cable loop or a rod with eyes on either end or a super long caribiner that would move the knot well above the zig zag?
That sounds like it could work but it would probably make the pulley bulky.
I always start with an eye but it eventually gets removed and im forced to use a knot. Ive never slipped more than a few inches when using an anchor knot, though I prefer an eye any day. I'm quick to remove ten feet of the eye end (where the rope gets the hardest use) at the first sign of damage
Makes a lot of sense once it's had too much wear to cut some off and that's when using terminations help you to continue work.
I use the anchor hitch with a not after the hitch and I haven't had any issues with it touching the zigzag so far. Enjoy your videos tho..
Nice, thanks for sharing!
Dude I have a question, I been using muy Zig Zag & Chicane with Drenaline for years and it just works perfect on SRS and MRS. I just got a blue moon rope 11.7, works ok with zig zag in MRS, but when i put the chicane on, the hole sistem slips, kind of dangerous. How is that possible or why do that happens?
It may very what works well with the Zigzag. You may want to go back to the owners manual and check compatibility of ropes.
@@BinoH makes sense, thanks for your answer. I have been using my Zig Zag with Chicane with teufelberger drenaline 11.8mm for years and it just works perfect on SRS and MRS. I tested the rope teufelberger fly 11.1 and works fine with zig zag plus mechanical device, even Zig zag allows 11.5 as minimum rope size. Why could slips with a 11.7 brand new rope in SRS?
Thanks Bino!
You're welcome!
Thanks Again for all those tips.
My pleasure!
Just make the loop of rope from your knot longer so it doesn't touch the go link of the ZZ and use a cable tie around the loop just above the top of the biner 👍
Great tip!
Gr8 advice thanks
No problem!
With so many issues, why use the zig zag? There are so many other options.
Some people really like how smooth it works.
With the ready availability of spliced eyes, there’s no reason to use a termination knot. Eyes eliminate the problems highlighted in this video, and they also save time which saves fatigue, and eliminate the possibility of knot tying errors which injure and kill tree workers regularly
Thank you Bino
You're welcome!
Anchor hitch everyday with my zigzag, and have never had a problem.
Thanks for sharing!
My novice untrained point of view: Not for me! I do think it is a convenient tool, but it is so easy to use that any twig, bump etc. could set it off. What they could do to make it safer is to reverse spring load it. Meaning; to activate the trigger release (descend) the device requires greater force to be applied against a spring. The spring job is to want the device to be in the locked position at all times requiring a greater force to release the trigger to descend. Or just shit can this device and buy one that is a better design. You can only fall to your death once. (JF)
I don't that it is that risky more to be aware of. Using a bulky termination can cause running. It is a nice system.
Everything looks brand new and shiny. Climb with it a few seasons before trying to educate ppl on the fence about advancing their own skill and techniques
Smart people just use a spliced eye. It's not bulky and in the way never a problem.
Thank you)
You're welcome!