hey guys, if you've watched the last couple videos you probably noticed a voice change. When I started this channel I did not have a mic and while I made the guides, my good friend helped out by voicing the content. Hopefully you're okay with the change, i'll do my best to improve voice-over quality and all else going forward!
that video is good! im enjoying the content! could you make a video on the ultimate guide to the farm lane? i'm a farm lane player, and i also always have to complain about the roamer not doing their job. and this video really explains everything i'm thinking about when i'm in my games. i'm usually complaining about my roamer not even being in my lane for like the first 3-4mins. and doesn't even bother tanking damage
I've been a roamer main for 90 days in honor of kings now. And sometimes, I kinda lost my way in the middle of the game. This video has enlighten me, especially objective wise as a roamer. Thank you. I hope I can see you play some games with da qiao, since I've been interested in her for quite a while now.
Yes, I would love to hear about aggressive roaming but I have to understand more of the basics I tend to die quite often in bad games due to going too deep for vision, I tend to babysit the MM quite a lot, and I feel like I've been doing a terrible job as roamer and I wish to improve thank you for these insights
I think it is important to point out that while it isn’t your job to babysit the carry in a team fight, it is your job to peel for them if they get dived. As a Mayene player nothing gives me greater joy than the enemy Liu Shan completely abandoning his back line to try and kill mine. You will not be surprised to find out that Mayene can kill a marksman and a mage in plenty of time to come back and help her own marksman kill the Liu Shan too. Please, support players, keep an eye on your back line if the enemy team has dive heroes. There is no use you trying to bully the enemy carry if it allows a Butterfly to wipe out your own back line first.
No, you're not the primary position to peel for your carries. They should peel for each other, i.e., mm gets jumped > mid counterattacks for the mm, vice versa. You should help but know that it's not your primary job and neither is the main person to do said job.
@@raviolisarcophagus4393 I say again, as a Mayene player nothing gives me greater joy than a support player who abandons their backline. Perhaps, from your comment, you will be surprised to hear that I can kill BOTH the mage and the adc in less than half the time it takes you to kill one of mine, and there is basically nothing they can do to stop me. I mean in all honesty there is very little the support can do to stop me killing them either since I can just parkour over them at will, but they have a much better chance of stopping me than the mage or the adc. It also depends on who your mage is playing. Assassin mages like Shanguan, Mai Shiranui or Diaochan should not be expected to peel for the adc. Mages that have little or no CC simply cannot peel for the adc (or themselves for that matter). Most, if not all, junglers and dive heroes have some kind of CC immunity, and control mages only have one stun. On top of which many control mages have hard CC skill shots that you simply are never going to hit against someone who is any good.
@@InceyWincey you are waaay overestimating your abilities while also underestimating what an actually decent mid and farmlaner can do. Your experience doesnt equate to what is actually happening on a larger scale, else mayene won't have an overall win rate of 48.62% if she's even half as deadly and OP as you claim YOU play her.
@@raviolisarcophagus4393 Ah yes. Mayene is bad because randoms can’t play her properly so her overall win rate isn’t great. That’s why she’s commonly picked in pro tournaments. A good Mayene can easily kill an adc and mage if they have no protection, and no, I am not overestimating my abilities, I do it all the time. Perhaps the randoms in my 50+ star grandmaster games just aren’t very good?
@@InceyWincey ah yes. All mid and farmlaners are bad because randoms can't play properly so they are always food. That's why there's always a mid laner and a farm laner in pro tournaments. Good carries can position well and peel for themselves when needed, and yes, you are waaay overestimating your abilities, you just matchup against bad players. Randoms, even in gm 100+ are clowns. But let me reiterate before it all gets lost amidst your egoposting, I never said the support shouldnt protect the carries. I said it isn't the support's primary role, the support's primary role should be playing macro and being available when needed. As for whose PRIMARY(the first one to respond, not the only one) job it is to peel for carries --- if the farmlaner gets jumpedm the midlaner should focus the attacker, and vice versa. As for the support, it is their job to assess where their aid is needed more, that is what you call macroing. There is no one-size-fits-all play, it is all matchup and player dependent. Let it be known that is where I stand.
i love your video format! thank you for this video! when i started out i have no idea what or which heroes would suit me best and then i realised i used a lot of yaria and ming. as the game stated, roaming need to roam around and not staying for one hero. i got told off quite a lot because i decided to roam alone when the game start while the mm cannot seem to hold their place even though its 1v1. i usually go with the mid-mm route for effective farming. when the mm situation is stable enough for me to roam around again i would even help the clash lane and were told off 'why would they need your help? just go help mages and mm' smh i AM roaming and doing my job its not like i stayed there for long
I main Arli but recently I've gotten interested in roaming (After someone supported me with Ming ❤) I tried it and actually enjoyed the play in a very different way. Now even more after watching this video. I've gotten frustrated with su1c1dal MM and now I respect my roamer even more when (when they do a good job)
Thanks for the tutorial, im a roamer main. Can I request a topic on how to counter-picks as a roamer depending on enemies line up? I mean, more in depth topic discussion regarding this.
Remember roaming isn't only limited to the tanks and supports if you know what your doing Milady is one of the best tower pusher and is good against weak and slow marksmen and tanks (ULTIMATESUPPORT)☕🐐
Here is my routine as Roamer main: 0. Go to the opposite buff of my jungler 1. Check the enemy buff condition (attacked/missing/untouched), bother enemy jungler if possible 2. Check my team buff and jungle condition, help my jungler if bothered 3. Help Mid to secure Mid Sprite or First Blood 4. Go to Farm Lane through the river while checking bushes 5. Harras enemy MM while checking bushes 6. Position in twin bush when my MM near my tower to zone, or wall bush when my MM near enemy tower Teamfights: 0. DO NOT start teamfights but zone the enemy 1. As backrow roam, try to CC the enemies as much as possible while keeping the area near MM clear and safe 1.1 As semi-tank, position in the middle of formation to be ready either to follow-up my Fighter and Jungler or safe my MM 1.2 As tank, position my self in the back of enemy line to harrass the enemy MM or Mid TOGETHER WITH my Jungler or Fighter, not alone
Examples of Roam Types Backline Roam: Da Qiao, Ziya Core Roam: Dolia, Zhuangzi Frontline Roam: Liu Bang, Lian Po Kidnapper Roam: Kui, Guiguzi Punisher Roam: Donghuang, Liang Well you get the idea
I swear at every rank before master and sometimes even then the team's farmlane starts crying if i don't hug his nuts the whole game. At gm tho its less of a problem I noticed as playing defensively when alone isn't a foreign concept anymore.
I wish that's always the case in my games. Even GM marksman often gives first blood to the enemy marksman + babysitter in my games and then I get reported for toxic behavior because I scouted the enemy buff (red was closer so I went there) instead. In my defense, I went through the mid lane so the snowflake should've been aware that I wasn't babysitting him from lv 1.
I would love to see team comps for each roamer. I'm tired of my team making me pick first then flaming me when I don't pick Zhang Fei while they never pre-pick their heroes, or me picking Dolia only to see my whole team pick heroes who don't even synergize with my ult and then reporting me for toxic behavior. Tbf, it's pretty toxic of me not using my mind reading ability to know which roaming hero I should use when they never pre-pick. But then again, I think blind picking Zhang Fei has the best odds of victory in low level ranked games like 25-star Grandmaster and below. You can just then pray your solo laners don't feed while you're not in their lane. I remember leaving the marksman, who had a massive 2 tower lead, to help my mid-laner push their T1 only to see the snowflake wander off confidently in the enemy jungle and die to a 5-man ambush. I guess it's my fault for not babysitting him hard enough that he reported me for toxic behavior.
You shouldn't pick first as a support in an unorganized team. You should, at the very least, wait for the enemy support to pick. You can, however, be the sacrificial first pick as bait only if your team is going for some aggressive gameplan. Of course this changes if Permabanned supports didn't, for some magical reason, get banned. Da qiao, for instance, then you should probably steal that chance and take the first pick.
Better choose 2nd option than mage because you fed gold to marksman it will help whole team in team fight... because of marksmans high dmg if you leave your farm lane probaly enemy farm lane maraksman farm tons of gold and it's ez for them to push tower now
can i request Jing in details? like an effective jungle method, settings, build and arcane, counter and recounter.. i know there are a lot of people covering Jing videos, but.. most of them are from the china version.. not global..
I never understood why roamers never come to clash lane lmao, i usually play Allain or biron so i do be ok but..i want some moral support too😞 and then when im using gui or dolia and i actually roam the map and help people, im always getting pinged to "assemble" when my mm cant keep himself alive without me like wtf 😭
Because it makes less difference in a team fight if your clash lane is fed than if your farm lane is fed, and because a lone marksman cannot possibly survive a dive 2v1, while a clash laner can usually quite happily survive being tower dived unless they are very low health to begin. If you leave your marksman to 2v1 in bot lane, it is guaranteed they will either die or lose farm, they have no other choice, and it doesn’t matter how good they are. The enemy simply pushes the minions under the tower, then the support tanks the tower shots and the marksman kills them. Even if they trade the support for the marksman, this is a win for the enemy. It is not that your adc can’t keep themselves alive, it is that there is literally nothing they can do to survive short of abandoning the lane, missing all the farm, and allowing the enemy to take the tower. On the other hand a clash laner should usually manage to get most of the farm without dying even in a 2v1. More importantly, the marksman is also known as the ADC, which stands for attack damage carry. The word carry is there because that is precisely what they do. If the adc of one team gets significantly ahead of the other, it is basically gg. You cannot win a team fight when the enemy carry has a full completed item advantage over yours, since they will do almost double the damage. It means they can simply kill your frontline faster, no matter how much tankier your front line is than theirs. And that is the other important reason . It doesn’t matter how much more fed than the enemy top lane yours is, if the enemy adc is ahead your top lane will still die first. The only real advantage of your top laner being more fed than the enemy is when everything else is pretty much even, but of course, if you left your adc to 2v1 all early game then things won’t be even.
@InceyWincey of course I don't leave if I know that the enemy team is planning on ganking, and I get what you mean about the carry, most of the game I'm usually hip to hip with my mm. Maybe I worded it weird but what I mean is when roamers roam everywhere but the clash lane. Like I said, I'm usually playing Allain or Biron so surviving is easy, but I've noticed when I play other lanes (mid, farm) that roamers never really rotate to clash, like at all. I'm not saying to feed the clash lane ofc, as clash laners to me are really just secondary tanks, not carries like mm or jungle. But when clash is struggling, they either just continue to die, or abandon the completely because the only help they get is if the jungler ganks their lane. And I usually play dolia, so I roam pretty quickly and always let my team know when I'm roaming, so when I was talking about my MMs getting themselves killed, it's usually because they try to push without me, and get killed by the jungler by it, if that makes sense? My route usually consists of going mid to help with like a wave before sticking with my MM. But if I see a struggle lane, I rotate to help them. I dont know if it's me as a roamer that's an issue, I've only been playing for a few weeks now, but that's what I really meant to say. Clash lane never really gets help when it's struggling 🫶🏾 Also, you sound like a veteran so I have a question lol, do you think Biron could be a good roamer? He has the cc and survivability..and I've been thinking about it but never put it into practice..could it work?
@@PsychoDuckee oh I see yes that’s fair. I too hate when my marksman decides to play aggro when I’m not there and gets themselves killed for no reason. However I should point out that jungle tracking is really your responsibility, so if they are getting ganked and you aren’t there you may have messed up somewhere. Some junglers have some crazy pathing though so you can never be 100% certain. Generally I try to judge if my adc will do anything stupid and if I think they are too aggressive then I’ll make sure to at least path through the enemy jungle to get to mid to make absolutely sure. Though with some adc’s you just know they will die the moment you step in the river so it’s best just to stick with them. As for Biron being a good roamer, I think to be honest pretty much anyone can be a decent roamer if played well, with the exception of heroes that require a lot of farm to perform (mm supports, ugh). You don’t need CC to provide vision. You don’t need to be tanky either. And in teamfights your job is to set up kills, tank critical enemy cool-downs, and peel for your back line, all of which can be achieved by pretty much anyone except assassins, assassin mages, and adcs. You know, I think I may have just talked myself into trying Ying as roamer. She has so much consistent CC with her cool-down reduction from her passive, so much manoeuvrability to get around the map for vision, also the hard CC of her ult, and with her regen ability if you build her a little tanky she is almost unkillable… Yes I think this could work very well.
@InceyWincey ooo now I want to try that lmao 🤣 thank you for your in depth explanations, it actually gave me a lot of insight..now I need to build a roamer Biron 👹 take care~ good luck~~🫶🏾🫶🏾
@@PsychoDuckee I’ve tried a couple of games and I think it works. I forgot that she also has cc immunity and damage reduction during her ult so not only can you bait out stuns but you can just completely negate them.
Tl;dr: Hold your position in team fights as a tank. I hate tanks that retreat first from a fight they started, you should kys now. If your an adc dont touch the roam role pls i can't trust someone that relies on farm and surviving to learn the exact opposite role. My only nitpick for a tank roamer in the game is if its a liu shan or anyone that can move fast, they just dont know how to zone and hold their position. My problem with this is that it makes it difficult to read if they want to fight, play bait, or retreat. Its just so ass for me to see this behavior to be also paired with them retreating first from a fight they started every time. I dont care if you have flash, a movement skill or a shield, you dont just run away when you should be the frontline in the first place. And a tank playing sac should be ok since you dont get exp and gold in lane anyways, like, dont play a tank role if your a adc main either agghhh for fucks sake. Just a rant from a random versatile player.
But the problem is there are these player from Southeast Asia that still blames you even if you're providing them the necessary things in order for them to secure kills. And there are these players that no matter how much you signal them to take the boss monsters they will not respond to you and rather clash head with the enemy team. No matter how much I try to be a good roamer to them. Then when we lose they'll blame me for the result.
That’s the problem I myself roamer but almost all the time at Rank Mode I meet with player less than lvl30 but they with Diamond Level but they can’t play and don’t understand the game😢. 5enemy died for 1minutes my team just roaming n farming. Any guide I told them they just don’t listen. End up our team more than 10k coin than enemy (we Lost) for nothing.
That whale is objectively bad regardless of the user skill - the only protection skill he has is in ult, which the shield value is very small for an ultimate with moderate cooldown - anti cc is not important for mm as mm shouldn't be getting cc-ed from the first place, nor getting in range of cc skill. I would say the anti cc would be helpful for your fighter in case they got cc-ed when diving in, but then again it's an ultimate with quite long cooldown and if the value is just to clear cc it's very much less impactful to the game compared to other roamer ults (da qiao ult, donghuang, etc) - he doesn't have any hard cc skill himself, can't protect your carries from getting dived by assassins and/or fighters, as I mentioned previously his shield is very negligible - he doesn't have any survivability skill/passive at all (except for his small shield on ult), so he will be much less tankier than other frontline supports - he doesn't have any damage amplifying buff either for teammates The whale is just there flapping its fin stupidly, just ignore him and kill the enemy's carry, no one can stop you
@@LevtoChannelterrible take. He's not a blind pick hero, never blind pick zhuangzi. You don't play him defensively, he's an offtank that can deal a substantial amount of DPS(yes! Even with support items) if left unchecked making him a bruiser that can support. Proper timing, i.e., the rhythm of his passive is key to properly utilizing him. You shouldn't facetank. You weave in and out of range in tune to your passive's and ability 2's CD. You don't use his ult for the shield, that's the cherry on top. You use it to preempt or cleanse a massive CC, not a single target CC thrown at your carries, that enables a counterattack from your team i.e., lubu diving, zhangfei ult, sun ce dive, etc. Proper timing, again, is key. As for the support/roamer role, you do that by providing vision for your team. Being a tanky support with anti cc and a respectable movespeed, you can position yourself aggressively deep to provide vision where other supports will die and get ganked. In other words, macroing. The main skill roamer players should have but unfortunately most roamers don't have. Basically, git gud.
i lost my way since i rank up from master 2 to master 1 or higher 🥲 i wanna cry. but now i know the cause of how bad i roam from this video.. not skillfull in any hero but at least i must know how to roam.
hey guys, if you've watched the last couple videos you probably noticed a voice change. When I started this channel I did not have a mic and while I made the guides, my good friend helped out by voicing the content. Hopefully you're okay with the change, i'll do my best to improve voice-over quality and all else going forward!
that video is good! im enjoying the content! could you make a video on the ultimate guide to the farm lane? i'm a farm lane player, and i also always have to complain about the roamer not doing their job. and this video really explains everything i'm thinking about when i'm in my games. i'm usually complaining about my roamer not even being in my lane for like the first 3-4mins. and doesn't even bother tanking damage
glad you're enjoying the content, that guide will definitely come!
I've been a roamer main for 90 days in honor of kings now. And sometimes, I kinda lost my way in the middle of the game. This video has enlighten me, especially objective wise as a roamer. Thank you. I hope I can see you play some games with da qiao, since I've been interested in her for quite a while now.
Yes, I would love to hear about aggressive roaming but I have to understand more of the basics
I tend to die quite often in bad games due to going too deep for vision, I tend to babysit the MM quite a lot, and I feel like I've been doing a terrible job as roamer and I wish to improve
thank you for these insights
you gotta start somewhere! I'm sure you'll see improvement, hope the video helped
I think it is important to point out that while it isn’t your job to babysit the carry in a team fight, it is your job to peel for them if they get dived. As a Mayene player nothing gives me greater joy than the enemy Liu Shan completely abandoning his back line to try and kill mine. You will not be surprised to find out that Mayene can kill a marksman and a mage in plenty of time to come back and help her own marksman kill the Liu Shan too. Please, support players, keep an eye on your back line if the enemy team has dive heroes. There is no use you trying to bully the enemy carry if it allows a Butterfly to wipe out your own back line first.
No, you're not the primary position to peel for your carries. They should peel for each other, i.e., mm gets jumped > mid counterattacks for the mm, vice versa. You should help but know that it's not your primary job and neither is the main person to do said job.
@@raviolisarcophagus4393 I say again, as a Mayene player nothing gives me greater joy than a support player who abandons their backline. Perhaps, from your comment, you will be surprised to hear that I can kill BOTH the mage and the adc in less than half the time it takes you to kill one of mine, and there is basically nothing they can do to stop me. I mean in all honesty there is very little the support can do to stop me killing them either since I can just parkour over them at will, but they have a much better chance of stopping me than the mage or the adc.
It also depends on who your mage is playing. Assassin mages like Shanguan, Mai Shiranui or Diaochan should not be expected to peel for the adc. Mages that have little or no CC simply cannot peel for the adc (or themselves for that matter). Most, if not all, junglers and dive heroes have some kind of CC immunity, and control mages only have one stun. On top of which many control mages have hard CC skill shots that you simply are never going to hit against someone who is any good.
@@InceyWincey you are waaay overestimating your abilities while also underestimating what an actually decent mid and farmlaner can do. Your experience doesnt equate to what is actually happening on a larger scale, else mayene won't have an overall win rate of 48.62% if she's even half as deadly and OP as you claim YOU play her.
@@raviolisarcophagus4393 Ah yes. Mayene is bad because randoms can’t play her properly so her overall win rate isn’t great. That’s why she’s commonly picked in pro tournaments. A good Mayene can easily kill an adc and mage if they have no protection, and no, I am not overestimating my abilities, I do it all the time. Perhaps the randoms in my 50+ star grandmaster games just aren’t very good?
@@InceyWincey ah yes. All mid and farmlaners are bad because randoms can't play properly so they are always food. That's why there's always a mid laner and a farm laner in pro tournaments. Good carries can position well and peel for themselves when needed, and yes, you are waaay overestimating your abilities, you just matchup against bad players. Randoms, even in gm 100+ are clowns.
But let me reiterate before it all gets lost amidst your egoposting, I never said the support shouldnt protect the carries. I said it isn't the support's primary role, the support's primary role should be playing macro and being available when needed. As for whose PRIMARY(the first one to respond, not the only one) job it is to peel for carries --- if the farmlaner gets jumpedm the midlaner should focus the attacker, and vice versa. As for the support, it is their job to assess where their aid is needed more, that is what you call macroing. There is no one-size-fits-all play, it is all matchup and player dependent. Let it be known that is where I stand.
Another top notch video. Thank you brother. Please keep them coming. Love and support from Philippines.
Upload more tutorials man you're so good
next one already in progress
i love your video format! thank you for this video! when i started out i have no idea what or which heroes would suit me best and then i realised i used a lot of yaria and ming. as the game stated, roaming need to roam around and not staying for one hero. i got told off quite a lot because i decided to roam alone when the game start while the mm cannot seem to hold their place even though its 1v1. i usually go with the mid-mm route for effective farming. when the mm situation is stable enough for me to roam around again i would even help the clash lane and were told off 'why would they need your help? just go help mages and mm' smh i AM roaming and doing my job its not like i stayed there for long
That Liu Shan quadrakill was unbelievable
Very informative video.
Keep up your great work. ❤
I main Arli but recently I've gotten interested in roaming (After someone supported me with Ming ❤) I tried it and actually enjoyed the play in a very different way. Now even more after watching this video. I've gotten frustrated with su1c1dal MM and now I respect my roamer even more when (when they do a good job)
Amazing guide. I rarely if ever, play roamer, because I don't know how
That's a very helpful video, thanks man. anyway can you do a video about zhang fei?
Bruh I wanted to see that Penta Liu Shan at the end
Thanks for the tutorial, im a roamer main. Can I request a topic on how to counter-picks as a roamer depending on enemies line up? I mean, more in depth topic discussion regarding this.
Remember roaming isn't only limited to the tanks and supports if you know what your doing Milady is one of the best tower pusher and is good against weak and slow marksmen and tanks
(ULTIMATESUPPORT)☕🐐
Here is my routine as Roamer main:
0. Go to the opposite buff of my jungler
1. Check the enemy buff condition (attacked/missing/untouched), bother enemy jungler if possible
2. Check my team buff and jungle condition, help my jungler if bothered
3. Help Mid to secure Mid Sprite or First Blood
4. Go to Farm Lane through the river while checking bushes
5. Harras enemy MM while checking bushes
6. Position in twin bush when my MM near my tower to zone, or wall bush when my MM near enemy tower
Teamfights:
0. DO NOT start teamfights but zone the enemy
1. As backrow roam, try to CC the enemies as much as possible while keeping the area near MM clear and safe
1.1 As semi-tank, position in the middle of formation to be ready either to follow-up my Fighter and Jungler or safe my MM
1.2 As tank, position my self in the back of enemy line to harrass the enemy MM or Mid TOGETHER WITH my Jungler or Fighter, not alone
Examples of Roam Types
Backline Roam: Da Qiao, Ziya
Core Roam: Dolia, Zhuangzi
Frontline Roam: Liu Bang, Lian Po
Kidnapper Roam: Kui, Guiguzi
Punisher Roam: Donghuang, Liang
Well you get the idea
As your explanations seems easy to understand maybe you could make a video about another role like clash lane because personally i need it
it's on the list
Great guide
Waiting for the next video 🔥🔥
Hello, I’m sure you already have it in the works. But can you do farm lane please?
Please do more hok guides❤
you can place subtitles on your video so it be easier to understand
I swear at every rank before master and sometimes even then the team's farmlane starts crying if i don't hug his nuts the whole game.
At gm tho its less of a problem I noticed as playing defensively when alone isn't a foreign concept anymore.
I wish that's always the case in my games. Even GM marksman often gives first blood to the enemy marksman + babysitter in my games and then I get reported for toxic behavior because I scouted the enemy buff (red was closer so I went there) instead. In my defense, I went through the mid lane so the snowflake should've been aware that I wasn't babysitting him from lv 1.
Game tutorial says you help farmline and carry.
I would love to see team comps for each roamer. I'm tired of my team making me pick first then flaming me when I don't pick Zhang Fei while they never pre-pick their heroes, or me picking Dolia only to see my whole team pick heroes who don't even synergize with my ult and then reporting me for toxic behavior. Tbf, it's pretty toxic of me not using my mind reading ability to know which roaming hero I should use when they never pre-pick.
But then again, I think blind picking Zhang Fei has the best odds of victory in low level ranked games like 25-star Grandmaster and below. You can just then pray your solo laners don't feed while you're not in their lane. I remember leaving the marksman, who had a massive 2 tower lead, to help my mid-laner push their T1 only to see the snowflake wander off confidently in the enemy jungle and die to a 5-man ambush. I guess it's my fault for not babysitting him hard enough that he reported me for toxic behavior.
You shouldn't pick first as a support in an unorganized team. You should, at the very least, wait for the enemy support to pick. You can, however, be the sacrificial first pick as bait only if your team is going for some aggressive gameplan.
Of course this changes if Permabanned supports didn't, for some magical reason, get banned. Da qiao, for instance, then you should probably steal that chance and take the first pick.
Could you make Dyadia DPS guide?
Better choose 2nd option than mage because you fed gold to marksman it will help whole team in team fight... because of marksmans high dmg if you leave your farm lane probaly enemy farm lane maraksman farm tons of gold and it's ez for them to push tower now
As a X WR player, i feel short for communication calls on HoK.
can i request Jing in details? like an effective jungle method, settings, build and arcane, counter and recounter.. i know there are a lot of people covering Jing videos, but.. most of them are from the china version.. not global..
this is very useful info 😊
can you make a clash lane guide?
definitely will
I never understood why roamers never come to clash lane lmao, i usually play Allain or biron so i do be ok but..i want some moral support too😞 and then when im using gui or dolia and i actually roam the map and help people, im always getting pinged to "assemble" when my mm cant keep himself alive without me like wtf 😭
Because it makes less difference in a team fight if your clash lane is fed than if your farm lane is fed, and because a lone marksman cannot possibly survive a dive 2v1, while a clash laner can usually quite happily survive being tower dived unless they are very low health to begin. If you leave your marksman to 2v1 in bot lane, it is guaranteed they will either die or lose farm, they have no other choice, and it doesn’t matter how good they are. The enemy simply pushes the minions under the tower, then the support tanks the tower shots and the marksman kills them. Even if they trade the support for the marksman, this is a win for the enemy. It is not that your adc can’t keep themselves alive, it is that there is literally nothing they can do to survive short of abandoning the lane, missing all the farm, and allowing the enemy to take the tower. On the other hand a clash laner should usually manage to get most of the farm without dying even in a 2v1.
More importantly, the marksman is also known as the ADC, which stands for attack damage carry. The word carry is there because that is precisely what they do. If the adc of one team gets significantly ahead of the other, it is basically gg. You cannot win a team fight when the enemy carry has a full completed item advantage over yours, since they will do almost double the damage. It means they can simply kill your frontline faster, no matter how much tankier your front line is than theirs.
And that is the other important reason . It doesn’t matter how much more fed than the enemy top lane yours is, if the enemy adc is ahead your top lane will still die first. The only real advantage of your top laner being more fed than the enemy is when everything else is pretty much even, but of course, if you left your adc to 2v1 all early game then things won’t be even.
@InceyWincey of course I don't leave if I know that the enemy team is planning on ganking, and I get what you mean about the carry, most of the game I'm usually hip to hip with my mm. Maybe I worded it weird but what I mean is when roamers roam everywhere but the clash lane. Like I said, I'm usually playing Allain or Biron so surviving is easy, but I've noticed when I play other lanes (mid, farm) that roamers never really rotate to clash, like at all. I'm not saying to feed the clash lane ofc, as clash laners to me are really just secondary tanks, not carries like mm or jungle. But when clash is struggling, they either just continue to die, or abandon the completely because the only help they get is if the jungler ganks their lane. And I usually play dolia, so I roam pretty quickly and always let my team know when I'm roaming, so when I was talking about my MMs getting themselves killed, it's usually because they try to push without me, and get killed by the jungler by it, if that makes sense?
My route usually consists of going mid to help with like a wave before sticking with my MM. But if I see a struggle lane, I rotate to help them. I dont know if it's me as a roamer that's an issue, I've only been playing for a few weeks now, but that's what I really meant to say. Clash lane never really gets help when it's struggling 🫶🏾
Also, you sound like a veteran so I have a question lol, do you think Biron could be a good roamer? He has the cc and survivability..and I've been thinking about it but never put it into practice..could it work?
@@PsychoDuckee oh I see yes that’s fair. I too hate when my marksman decides to play aggro when I’m not there and gets themselves killed for no reason. However I should point out that jungle tracking is really your responsibility, so if they are getting ganked and you aren’t there you may have messed up somewhere. Some junglers have some crazy pathing though so you can never be 100% certain. Generally I try to judge if my adc will do anything stupid and if I think they are too aggressive then I’ll make sure to at least path through the enemy jungle to get to mid to make absolutely sure. Though with some adc’s you just know they will die the moment you step in the river so it’s best just to stick with them.
As for Biron being a good roamer, I think to be honest pretty much anyone can be a decent roamer if played well, with the exception of heroes that require a lot of farm to perform (mm supports, ugh). You don’t need CC to provide vision. You don’t need to be tanky either. And in teamfights your job is to set up kills, tank critical enemy cool-downs, and peel for your back line, all of which can be achieved by pretty much anyone except assassins, assassin mages, and adcs.
You know, I think I may have just talked myself into trying Ying as roamer. She has so much consistent CC with her cool-down reduction from her passive, so much manoeuvrability to get around the map for vision, also the hard CC of her ult, and with her regen ability if you build her a little tanky she is almost unkillable… Yes I think this could work very well.
@InceyWincey ooo now I want to try that lmao 🤣 thank you for your in depth explanations, it actually gave me a lot of insight..now I need to build a roamer Biron 👹 take care~ good luck~~🫶🏾🫶🏾
@@PsychoDuckee I’ve tried a couple of games and I think it works. I forgot that she also has cc immunity and damage reduction during her ult so not only can you bait out stuns but you can just completely negate them.
But if they pick Da Qiao, should I Dolia? Or if they have Dolia, should I pick Da Qiao? And there is Dyadia too... I tend to use her a lot.
*I use tank roamers especially kui he's good at dealing damage bcs of his passive!*
Tl;dr: Hold your position in team fights as a tank. I hate tanks that retreat first from a fight they started, you should kys now. If your an adc dont touch the roam role pls i can't trust someone that relies on farm and surviving to learn the exact opposite role.
My only nitpick for a tank roamer in the game is if its a liu shan or anyone that can move fast, they just dont know how to zone and hold their position. My problem with this is that it makes it difficult to read if they want to fight, play bait, or retreat. Its just so ass for me to see this behavior to be also paired with them retreating first from a fight they started every time. I dont care if you have flash, a movement skill or a shield, you dont just run away when you should be the frontline in the first place. And a tank playing sac should be ok since you dont get exp and gold in lane anyways, like, dont play a tank role if your a adc main either agghhh for fucks sake. Just a rant from a random versatile player.
But the problem is there are these player from Southeast Asia that still blames you even if you're providing them the necessary things in order for them to secure kills.
And there are these players that no matter how much you signal them to take the boss monsters they will not respond to you and rather clash head with the enemy team.
No matter how much I try to be a good roamer to them. Then when we lose they'll blame me for the result.
That’s the problem I myself roamer but almost all the time at Rank Mode I meet with player less than lvl30 but they with Diamond Level but they can’t play and don’t understand the game😢. 5enemy died for 1minutes my team just roaming n farming. Any guide I told them they just don’t listen. End up our team more than 10k coin than enemy (we Lost) for nothing.
Game tutorial says you help farmline and carry.
People in Diamond are too stupid to work with Da Qiao.
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Please promote that stupid whale roamer more :) I'd love to see more of them in my enemy team, they're so useless
it's actually a good roamer haha, maybe people are usually not great at timing the ultimate?
Skill issues
Stupid? I think bro doesn't know how to play lmao
That whale is objectively bad regardless of the user skill
- the only protection skill he has is in ult, which the shield value is very small for an ultimate with moderate cooldown
- anti cc is not important for mm as mm shouldn't be getting cc-ed from the first place, nor getting in range of cc skill. I would say the anti cc would be helpful for your fighter in case they got cc-ed when diving in, but then again it's an ultimate with quite long cooldown and if the value is just to clear cc it's very much less impactful to the game compared to other roamer ults (da qiao ult, donghuang, etc)
- he doesn't have any hard cc skill himself, can't protect your carries from getting dived by assassins and/or fighters, as I mentioned previously his shield is very negligible
- he doesn't have any survivability skill/passive at all (except for his small shield on ult), so he will be much less tankier than other frontline supports
- he doesn't have any damage amplifying buff either for teammates
The whale is just there flapping its fin stupidly, just ignore him and kill the enemy's carry, no one can stop you
@@LevtoChannelterrible take.
He's not a blind pick hero, never blind pick zhuangzi.
You don't play him defensively, he's an offtank that can deal a substantial amount of DPS(yes! Even with support items) if left unchecked making him a bruiser that can support. Proper timing, i.e., the rhythm of his passive is key to properly utilizing him. You shouldn't facetank. You weave in and out of range in tune to your passive's and ability 2's CD.
You don't use his ult for the shield, that's the cherry on top. You use it to preempt or cleanse a massive CC, not a single target CC thrown at your carries, that enables a counterattack from your team i.e., lubu diving, zhangfei ult, sun ce dive, etc. Proper timing, again, is key.
As for the support/roamer role, you do that by providing vision for your team. Being a tanky support with anti cc and a respectable movespeed, you can position yourself aggressively deep to provide vision where other supports will die and get ganked. In other words, macroing. The main skill roamer players should have but unfortunately most roamers don't have.
Basically, git gud.
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i lost my way since i rank up from master 2 to master 1 or higher 🥲 i wanna cry. but now i know the cause of how bad i roam from this video.. not skillfull in any hero but at least i must know how to roam.