So it turns out The Rise of Skywalker wasn't great. Sorry, folks- my bad. You may carry on with your business. I've got a good feeling about Cats, though
In the theater now, can't wait fo... oh god... that's a human face. That's a human face on that cat. This is uncomfortably erotic and terrifying... Please make them stop and be normal. This is all wrong. Oh god, I'm sick, I'm freaking out, I'm freaking out, I'm freaking out, they won't let me leave the theater, I'm freaking out
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO In all seriousness I enjoyed the video regardless. It made me appreciate TLJ more but ultimately I think it was the wrong movie for this SW trilogy. We needed a trilogy which reinvigorated love and interest in the franchise, not something which was trying to be 2deep. Do that for a different story, not one which is supposed to be fun and have mass appeal. Out of all the descriptions for TLJ, "fun" is a word I've never heard used and that's a huge problem for such a kid-friendly franchise like Star Wars.
I disagree. I loved it and thought it was a great conclusion. The meaning of the prophecy is not about killing the Sith, but about having the dark side and light side coexist. Rey and Ben are the Dyad the prophecy was talking about. I love We were led to believe that Ben was the darkness and Rey was the light the prophecy spoke of, but in actuality it was the other around because Ben is the heir to the Skywalkers (light) and Rey is the heir to Palpatine (darkness). Having Rey be Palpatine’s granddaughter was not JJ apologizing for the Last Jedi it was him respecting Johnson’s vision while also creating the Balance. And at the end Rey and Ben come together to defeat Palpatine (who from The Phantom Menace to The Rise of Skywalker, is the reason why the darkside overweighs the light side) and now the darkness no longer overweighs the light and creates balance.
@@nolandavis1129 The problem is that Disney will want to continue this story. How are they able to do that if there's true harmony in the force? If it's just able to be disrupted again then how does that make this ending any different from ROTJ? It just feels like a more convoluted way of reaching a similar conclusion.
@@DDChorror Then there should be an explanation on how he survived the death star explosion, not talking about the entity, but his body. You cannot survive a planet sized explosion and then tell me he dies because of force lightning.
@@AlphaladZXA Could be, but that power could also be limited to the force dyad, it's useless to think about this, the movie doesn't give 2 shits about making sense.
I enjoyed that scene but on second watch it's kinda whack it just falls flat and seems kind of shoehorned in, while luke is a bit too whiny in TLJ he really does have some great moments dropping nuggets of wisdom
@@chrisquinn3377 eh, it was a bit fanservicey but I felt it makes sense considering the in-universe time period. Luke has become a Jedi master and is presumably even more skilled at the force and lightsaber combat than before. Not only that, but this is the very early stage of the Jedi order’s comeback, so I imagine there wouldn’t be many other Jedi out there that Grogu could reach. I think JJ not having Luke show up when Han and Leia were suffering in TFA lead to Rian writing Luke the way he did. People blame Rian, but he was just trying to find a way to explain why Luke never came to help.
Snoke was interesting and scary until he died. Palpatine should've never come and Kylo should've become the evil villain and not the will they won't they goth love interest.
But it does not really contredict anything TLJ said. This is who Luke was during that time. I was not hyped because it did not look that great and it said nothing about the character but it was not bad.
I feel like it wasn't entirely unjustified. He was attacking droids in order to save a group of cornered people so it was in a way for defense. Truthfully I'm not sure what he could have done differently in that situation but that doesn't mean I'm excusing it altogether. I just felt it was a little more complicated than how we're saying it is. I still would have preferred something else and perhaps the writers could have just put them in a completely different situation where Like didn't have to come save them. Though then there's still the issue of resolving the child's plotline.
Mati Lozano he used force nailing it. Which we’ve seen in episode V when Luke falls down a shaft and lands on an extremely thin antenna. In the clouds. See? Force Nailing it.
Nicholas Brush if you read the article he excerpts in this video, it actually says you’d be unconscious within 15 seconds, and dead shortly after. He failed to mention that bit of information however, for....some reason
"Watch a video of kittens playing and someone shitting on TLJ beneath it." I literally found this video due to someone linking it in a comment section for a video completely unrelated to Star Wars where a fight over this movie broke out
@@stuff31 I'd agree. My gut tells me they should have just stuck with Colin Trevorrow. His ideas were much more original at the very least, but only time will tell how these stories will age. I think TRoS gets some of the overarching themes right. Especially from a world building point of view.
@@sthubbins4038 Yeah it's the fanboys fault that they had so little faith in Rian's film and its ideas, not their own. Lmfao cope. It's almost like they didn't have a real antagonist to use for the end of their trilogy and had to make something climax-worthy out of nothing.
@@sthubbins4038 Yes, fanboys are the reason the sequel trilogy is shit, Kennedy is a visionary. (I know sarcasm doesn't translate well over text, so let me just clarify that I'm implying that your argument is... questionable, to put it nicely)
@@montefisto they mean episode 9. It just shits on episode 8 and coward in the corner trying not to piss off the fanboys. It's pathetic. Worst of the new trilogy.
It’s astonishing how TROS literally goes against everything this video was advocating for lol I would love to see a breakdown of TROS with this level of depth in the context of this video
It's because of the backlash from all the fans. JJ Abrams and Disney thought they needed to fix something that actually wasn't broken. They could have put TLJ into a better light with using its ideas and build on them (use the concepts this video explains). Instead episode 9 actually wants TLJ to look bad and the rest is filler action which does not feel like Star Wars AT ALL. It feels like a Transformer movie with Star Wars characters and Star Wars ships. The charm of Star Wars is completely missing. And in the end, the new Disney trilogy doesn't change anything. The universe is now the same as it were at the end of episode 6 and that's just sad. The idea that true balance of the force is only accomplished by getting rid of the Sith AND the Jedi would have been awesome and would've created new opportunities for new interessting stories.
@@EliasSchnetzer maybe to have rey die (all the sith in palps area dead and all the jedi in her are dead) thus restoring balance - kylo takes up the yellow lightsaber with a new form of jedi with better philosophy and its balanced, not entirely light or dark but both
@@mooniuploads9165 yes that would have been a lot more interessting than the actual eding. i don't like that at the end rey lives again and kylo is dead. if rey were dead it would have had a much bigger impact in my opinion.
@@EliasSchnetzer mhm and kylo would've got a nice redemptive ending instead of the easy cheap death cop out. and a nice end to the skywalker saga instead of losing to manipulation and a palpatine taking their name lmao my other suggestion was to have rey turn to dark side and them both live but in the end take on yellow lightsabers together and have dark and light co exist
Agreed. I know she's pulling herself, but It does look like she's flying. I also don't buy that it's Leia's first time using the Force to it's full potential, as Rian said once. Sure, Luke's first trick involved pulling something, but it was just a sword from a snow bank. Pulling yourself from the air into a space station? Even as a person who exists in a world where the force doesn't exist, that sounds very advanced for a beginner. Then again, it did put Leia in a coma, so what do I know?
It's funny that you always get these extensive lore essays about why Leia wouldn't be able to do that because some people are desperate to prove their opinion as "objective" while "it looks very silly" is probably the most valid criticism.
The fact that JJ Abrams was inspired by The Last Jedi and said the ending of the trilogy was not effected is baffling to me. TROS spat in the face of every new and interesting idea TLJ had.
The _ending_ might not be affected, but the first half spent backtracking TLJ)that fans complained about) likely was. In hindsight it might've been better to continue whatever RJ wanted with ep. IX, like DJ probably being set up as a twist mastermind that Ben & Rey have to fight together
@@revimfadli4666 I think it should have just been Ben vs Rey. The other subplot could be Finn and Rose trying to bring stormtroopers over to the good side, rather than having a whole thing with stormtroopers defecting and "not fighting what we hate but saving what we love" just to slaughter them mercilessly the film directly after
@@revimfadli4666 That's because J.J. is a bad writer, but I think that Finn would have needed the other 2 movies to convince him that it was the right choice.
have we reached a pop-culture singularity where discussion surrounding the fandom expectations of massive brands like Star Wars is infinitely more interesting than the media themselves
its the sad reality of why my favorite movies I watch after the theatrical release at home but the ones i dont care for I see opening day in theaters. I dont need to see experimental films in theaters to be park of the conversation, the topic will still be alive and the movie unspoiled whenever i get around to it. But if you miss opening weekend of a star wars film youre totally out of the loop
@L1qu1d S1lenc3r yes, he certainly did. For all the kids at home reading this: what we can draw from this, is that Rian "Hasno" Johnson doesn't know wtf he's talking about..
SineEyed 2020 Star Wars isn’t a myth, it’s just a work of fiction inspired by myths. Rian wasn’t referring to Star Wars specifically. Sure, Rian as well as LITERALLY ALL FICTION was inspired off of myths. And even so, Disney isn’t going to not make action figures. George Lucas, on the other hand- yeah, no he’s in it for the toys. I don’t get why we all have to blame Rian for being a smart writer as well as just a Star Wars fan, like us.
SineEyed 2020 I assume that you disagree with “LITERALLY ALL FICTION” part, which was sort of a joke, but at the same time, I’m hard pressed just coming up with something that isn’t at least loosely based from fiction. If you disagree with something else in the comment then I am curious to know what else.
Hey, thanks for making this video. I've been on the fence about this movie since seeing it in the theater, with the positives always feeling matched or slightly overcome by my negatives. Years of circular discourse and certain popular video essays/reviews didn't really help. I don't know why it took me so long to watch this when I've been subscribed for awhile, but I'm glad I have. Covering Star Wars' storytelling history and the way fans tend to fixate on the wrong things before leading into how Rian Johnson carried the "big idea" forward while still trying to make something unique gave me a new appreciation for The Last Jedi's story; and the context of the Abrams films on either side puts it into perspective even more. If I had one "major" critique, it's that some of the commonly-lambasted scenes or moments you defend seem to be defended primarily on concept rather than execution - the biggest example for me being Luke throwing away the lightsaber. Not a problem at all in concept, but the context of the TLJ scene frames it as a comedy beat, and that's where it really falls flat for me. I didn't find it funny, just kind of awkward; and I'd describe numerous scenes or moments throughout the film in the exact same way, as worthy ideas (whether comedic or not) that are executed awkwardly, usually on the visual level. Leia's space maneuver, some Canto Bight shenanigans, etc. I acknowledge that humor is one of the most subjective things, so YMMV, but overall that "dubious execution" is a prevailing, unifying negative. I'll be rewatching the movie soon, so I'm curious to see if my perspective changes in that regard. Anyway, the fact you managed to succinctly cover the film, SW as a franchise, and SW as a fandom all in one video under 40 minutes is really impressive in comparison to other reviews out there, lol. And on top of all that, I think you did a really good job on all fronts. I'd love to hear you talk about Star Wars more in the future, if you ever feel like you have more to say.
He was taking out droids in the Mandalorian... how is that even close to same as killed younglings, or Tuskin kids, or real people on Tantative IV? He doesn't even kill Moff Gideon!
"it was so unoriginal that it doubled back on it's self and became original" might be the best and most accurate description of star wars I've ever heard
that actually kinda makes sense when you think about it. When someone pulls really hard from one or two influences, it can result in creative incest, so to speak. When you are being influenced by one particular thing it's extremely obvious and almost always comes off as a straight ripoff. But the more varying influences you pull from, the more you muddy the waters and diversify the creative gene-pool, thus getting closer to being more original the more you rip off from lots of different sources and mix and match all those influences together in new ways. If star wars was only pulling from classic Flash Gordon like originally intended it would have been a shameless ripoff, why would I watch this when I can just watch what it's so clearly inspired by? But by adding the influences of things like Taoism and Samurai culture to create things like the Jedi and Sith, as well as a lot of the WW2 and Nazi symbolism towards the Empire and the stormtroopers (and the rebel alliance to lesser extent). And so on and so forth, you pull from so many things that you end up with something that's completely distinguished from it's primary original inspiration, and from everything else as well.
@@mario167100 Agreed. Creativity comes not through creating something from nothing, but through combining and rearranging preexisting things in a (good) way nobody has thought about before. That's what makes the Original Trilogy a masterpiece. It draws upon so many sources: Joseph Campbell, Akira Kurosawa, Old Western, Isaac Asimov (this one I'm not so sure but the first book of Foundation predated A New Hope by 30 years and I've heard rumors about Lucas' notion of a Galactic Empire being inspired by Asimov), "The Dam Busters," and nostalgic conventions from last-century TV shows where a doomsday device must be deactivated by the hero in a given time and such. And then Lucas blends them in a clever way and gives birth to something completely refreshing and engaging. They say that execution is all that matters, and Lucas does it right. What the Sequel Trilogy does is not at all a creative process. It's a joke. A pale mockery done by JJ Abrams, mixed with a "fuck you" vibe spread all over it like rat poison spread over a suicide vest's projectiles by no other than Ryan Johnson. There's nothing creative in the making of those two films, just...repetitions, plagiarism, crudely done imitations, and spite; and the result is naturally something that's anything but a piece of literary work.
I think these movies didn't really need to be completely made by Johnson. However, some communication between directors sounds like it would've improved the series
Are they? Abrams and Johnson failed to realize what gave Star Wars its worldwide appeal in the first place. The Skywalker Saga, the actual Skywalker Saga, is a straightforward story to the point where there are no jumps in time.
@@SirBlackReeds yeah attack of the clones doesnt time skip almost a decade, empire to return of the jedi doesnt have a 3 year time gap Phantom menace doesnt have a decades time jump either Your so right there are no time jumps
@@Eyeupthebison Why do you misrepresent me? Those aren't jumps in time. A jump in time is a _flashback._ If you can point to a flashbacks or flashforward in the entire, actual Skywalker Saga, then I will concede. Better yet, go watch So Uncivilized videos.
@@megaultradamn That is in the past, and in character. He didn't get a hint, he saw EVERYTHING that Ben would do and for a moment, lost his idealism. He did the exact same thing against Vader, except then the moment lasted longer.Both times, however, he came back from the edge, overcame his flaws and went on to become a near-perfect Jedi
@@spartanparty3894 Did the same thing to Vader? No. Vader killed his mentor, a planet full of billions of people, and captured his best friend. He still tried to sway him to the light. The only reason he snapped momentarily was when he had no other option. His friends were about to die, he was outmatched, and Vader threatened to turn Leia instead of him. He only stopped when Vader was incapacitated and saw the similarities between themselves. Luke had much longer time to decide what to do with Kylo. We never got a hint that he tried to talk to his nephew before he went into his tent. I would've bought that he was left with no other choice after he foresaw Kylo kill Han, but the film didn't give us anything to go off from. Wouldn't it be better to see what choices he had before commiting to the choice he made?
@@megaultradamn Luke discovered what would happen when he entered Kylo's tent. That's the the moment he reffers to. I'm not saying that it was perfectly executed, just that it was in character. Luke noticed his nephew was acting weird and read his mind. He proceeded to get visions of the destruction of the Jedi temple, and the capital worlds by Starkiller base, and presumably Hans death. After all that Luke turned his lightsaber on out of instinct and then felt ashamed, but it was too late.
@@spartanparty3894 lol turned on the lightsaber out of instinct? After years and countless hours of Jedi meditation and training, he succumbs to the first murdererous instinct he has? Wouldn't the jedi thing be to calm down and rationally talk things through with Kylo? Christ, imagine if the Jedi slaughtered the younglings in the prequels for having naughty thoughts
If it was up to me I would've had Rian Johnson direct both VIII and IX, just out of curiosity for knowing where he would've taken it because of all the people saying he wrote the series into a corner and there was nowhere to go.
You can look up the Duel of the Fates script by Trevorrow and Connolly. When Trevorrow was originally helmed to do IX, he was writing the intended story to continue TLJ and it has certain elements that Johnson brought in that worked, and others that didn't. It got canned because Fisher's death threw a wrench in the bunch and the rewrites weren't getting them to the point in time. Coupled with the backlash to TLJ making Lucasfilm really feel as if they should retcon it as instructed by the base.
I did not like TLJ -- IMO it's got a handful of good ideas and a mess of terrible ones -- but I like Johnson's other work and I am very curious what the ST would look like had he been around from the start.
I sure as shit didn't like TLJ but this is an interesting and fair take and I fully intend on sharing it with the boys and hearing their thoughts. This is why im a fan of yours tho
What on earth was fair about one-sidedly accusing people who don't like TLJ of living in an echo chamber? Or the liberal use of strawman arguments? Or the convenient omission of counterpoints? I think the big words just confused you, guy.
It was actually amazing watching “EFAP” react to this video. They pause every few seconds, make a bunch of arguments, then those same arguments get completely invalidated a few moments later when the point you’re trying to make is concluded. They are the definition of goal post movers
It’s actually kind of insane. My absolute favorite part is when one of them got nitpicky about the clip of Johnson saying King Arthur’s hero’s journey started with the sword in the stone, and then conveniently didn’t have anything to say when they all misinterpreted the rest of Johnson’s point about King Arthur’s later life getting darker as he grew older (spoiler, he considers killing his nephew). And then they went on a tangent about Johnson’s “punchable face”. Truly, the high bar of objective criticism.
Don't forget the KMT part where they said they aren't racist and then lost their shit laughing at every piece of racism towards KMT that Nerrel showed in the vid. Goofy motherfuckers
I didn't know that they had done this. When I saw, I went out, watched the video, and left rebuttals to like 20 different comments. Perhaps that was a bit of a douchey move, but... Nerrel is the best human on the planet and I will not stand by and let him get harrased.
@@qmulus1 Because it's pathetic to constantly complain about the same sub-par movie for two years. Most sane people would've just said they didn't like it, said why they didn't like it, and move on with their lives. It really shouldn't be that big of a deal.
@@TitusCastiglione1503 yes he did disneystarwarsisdumb.wordpress.com/2018/03/19/rian-johnson-myths-are-not-made-to-sell-action-figures-as-toys-r-us-goes-out-of-business/
_“…we can talk about why Star Wars fans are the worst people…”_ Judging on what happened to the prequels that almost lead the actor of *Jar Jar Binks* to *commit suicide,* you’re not wrong.
I think you have single handedly made me like The Last Jedi. Before I was mostly neutral but you showing me how important this movie was in reference to the failures of the Jedi Order and the whole seeking balance to the force thing really made me appreciate what Rian was trying to do with this movie.
@Bolt Fantasticated I envy you, because this video doesn't change my mind. Nerrel is saying the film actually had good ideas. I'm more focused on the execution of those ideas, which was done poorly.
@@DemonicRemption that’s what i have thought about this movie for the longest time- really cool ideas, execution needed a lot of work. however, upon the realization that i think of the prequels in a very similar way, i can at least appreciate the intentions this movie had and enjoy it for what it is, despite its large sum of flaws. even just the fact that this movie feels far more soulfully made and less corporate in reflection is enough for me to like it more.
the video is just unnecessary tbh, it’s just strawmans, misunderstandings, and exaggerations, not to mention pretentious asf, which i get it, star wars fans are fucking annoying, but gosh. the movie itself is easily top 5 star wars films, but we’re doing too much now, the move is just recycled ideas that try to make something out of itself, and where it succeeds, it fails what dorks would call the trilogy with two awful films that got nothing wrapped up besides fan service. learning that george lucas decided to make luke a hermit actually bums me out, because i really expected it to be rian’s decision, i’m grateful he did go that direction in the end, although the execution was kinda…underwhelming
@Jos The real reason it's popular is that there wasn't an easy way to get anime in the early-mid 90s....there was pretty much just DBZ and Sailor Moon. But a little switch clicked in a lot of peoples' heads: Japanese TV is different, and it's fcking interesting! That said, I've never liked Dragonball....the first anime that clicked with me was a bootleg VHS of Lain, but you had to "know a guy" to find that stuff. Now we have lots of anime, but no one can shut up about the first one they really loved (hence all 90s kids showering praise on a kind of mediocre anime)
I liked some of the ideas in TLJ but I think my main issues were the Finn and Rose side quest and the movie basically ending in the same place it began: with the Resistance having suffered heavy losses and fleeing the First Order.
I don't think that's a big deal since the movie was all about the characters and where they're at by the end. Ep V didn't have much change in terms of the broader conflict either but a lot happened to the characters.
That's not even remotely accurate. TFA ends with The Resistance achieving a massive victory and destroying the First Orders greatest weapon. Rey has discovered her force sensitivity, and Luke is found. Kylo Ren is going off to Snoke to complete his training. And both Rey and Kylo are mortal enemies. TLJ ends with the First Order winning, and the Resistance being completely wiped out. Snoke is dead and Kylo Ren is now the Supreme Leader of the galaxy. Rey and Kylo now have a really complicated relationship and have empathy for each other. Luke is dead, but he brought hope back to the galaxy with his actions, which was gone in his absence at the beginning of the movie. The entire power dynamic has shifted on both sides of the war and the spirit in the galaxy has totally changed. It's such a bizarre criticism. So much happens in TLJ, that many people criticized it for that, yet other people say nothing happened. It's like... what... Even JJ Abrams said in an interview that "a lot happens" in TLJ and he was the one who wrote the previous film.
Finn and Roses side quest was one of the best parts of the movie. It shows another side of the galaxy, one where people are profiting off the war instead of suffering for it. It describes evil undertones to what can look like great things. And the top comment explains your other complaint
This has been legit fascinating. I had basically come around to Luke's portrayal in Last Jedi, but this puts the rest of the film in perspective for me. There are still issues that I have, including any lack of backstory for Snoke (Luke or Leia could have given a single line explaining at least what they thought Snoke was). For the first time, I get what the critics saw in this movie. It's just a shame it was all wasted by IX.
Why? Luke's change in personality was never properly transitioned. He was loyal to a fault, fearless when it's time for action, and a little impatient with the persons who doubt him. Now he's a cynical old man who's given up. There's Point A and Point D, but it's lacking Points B & C.
@@KaminoKatie Also the description people make up of Luke isn't even true when they state he was "out of character" in TLJ. He was just as much whiney, reckless, stubborn as a mule, and prone to anger and rage as he was positive. For a character they describe as the shining beacon of all things good about humanity it took seeing his family getting incinerated in a raid just to get him off the planet and out of his room playing with his toys. They write about Luke as if the entire point of his character was not that he was supposed to be a villain in his story given his lineage and how much he shared with daddy. He was good in spite of his destiny and nature. Not because of it. I think a lot of the fanbase views Luke in the same way a lot of them treat Boba Fett. They like the idea of what he CAN BE as opposed to who he actually was.
@@KaminoKatie I think the problem with comparing Snoke to the Emperor is... we already got the Emperor. He was evil incarnate, the devil on Vader's shoulder, and his name tells everything we need to know about him- there's an Empire and he's the one in charge. Snoke is, um, also the Emperor but not? Emperor 2? It's the inherent downside to being the 5th/8th film in a 40-year-old franchise. Audiences expect an explanation to contextualize any addition to the narrative.
@InSanctvs Also it makes her look selfish by saving the guy he likes and essentialy leaving all the rest to die. Keep in mind that no one had a backup plan, not even Leia and no one knew Luke was coming at all, from their perspective they were on their own and the only chance they had to survive and gain time was to stop that cannon and is actually funny that when she delivers the line of "saving what we love" the empire blows up the doors to the base And yes Luke did prevent the empire for killing them but again, he being there from their perspective is pure luck, Rose's actions made no sense at all.
Yeah honestly I’m in the camp that thinks this is the best SW movie since Empire but every time I watch and see that scene I facepalm. It even just goes against the rest of what the movie sets up. And the romance felt forced, like I didn’t get any kind of romantic vibes from them at all. Like if they were going to ship them then they should’ve done it in the next film where they had time to develop something between them other than platonic. Though I did like Roses character cause it felt fresh, like it’s nice to see a main-ish character in SW that’s not a combatant of some sort.
Them both* This video was great, but no one will ever convince me that scene wasn't fucking stupid. They should have had her stop him from going out there in the first place.
"The important thing for this character at this point isn't finding the answer, its breaking her dependence on it" something I wish the star wars fan base learned long ago.
@@frempy4426 I hope they are still planning on making the proposed Ryan Johnson Trilogy. I want to see what Ryan can do with full creative control over a full and proper story. like of everyone who's worked on star wars films and TV Ryan is the only director I would trust with writing something KOTOR:2's masterpiece story.
I don't get it. Are you referencing Luke in the Mandalorian? There is a reason why in one hallway scene robots are being destroyed and in the other human beings are being slaughtered.
@@benjaminwatson7868 The movies never seem to think much of it. Droids like C3PO are bought and sold like property, despite being living, independent beings.
@@NanneEsqui13 Sheesh. It's the unfortunate state of star wars that people will complain no matter what and bash something that another person enjoys instead of just focusing on what they enjoy.
After seeing Rise of Skywalker this is such a perfect video. I have no doubt that Rian Johnson loves star wars and made a truly fantastic and tragically misunderstood film
@MisAnthro Pony of the sequels it's the only one significantly built off Lucas's original plans (old hermit luke training a young female jedi originally names Kira on an island) and it is pretty consistent with the lore other than the newly introduced force projection. Most of the episodes introduce a new force power. 5 introduced force jumps, 6 introduced lightning, 1 introduced jedi sprint, 7 introduced stopping blaster bolts, and most of the powers come from the old EU.
Leia using the force to pull herself back to the ship wasn’t really a logical issue to me but rather it was just a really cheesy looking and stupid moment. I do like the movie for the most part but I just wanted to say my issues with that scene aren’t about “how I think the force should work”
For me it was the explosion first, The actual death of Carrie Fisher, the goofy way she brought herself back, the off screen and off hand way they killed ackbar, the way the shields were handwaved away.
@@jonsimpson6240 Ackbar is kind of a fan favorite due to memes, but at the end of the day he's not really anyone of major importance. He was the admiral in the final battle in RotJ. That doesn't make him a nobody but I don't know if he necessarily earned a big dramatic death moment. If anything, I'd say the gut punch of how nonchalantly he was killed hammered in the horror of that scene. Without him being there, it would've just been a bunch of nameless admirals followed by the only character of note saving herself. Ackbar had just the right level of name recognition and plot relevance to kill off there and have that scene mean something.
@@Zakon673 I do think that any gut punch was undermined by Leia flying back in, and by the general nonsense of three light fighters being able to cripple a cruiser on their own. But maybe that us just me.
For me, I love that moment because of the score and how it means that Leia really did finally tapped into that power like Luke said she eventually would. I also understand the limitations of a 60 year old woman on wires, which I understand made it look cheesy to most.
24:00 What's really ironic is that the line "That's how we win. Not fighting what we hate, but saving what we love" was originally a quote from Irvin Kershner while filming Empire Strikes Back.
@@thomasjeppesen3055 It wasn't in the script, Kershner was describing the fundamental difference between the Empire and Rebellion. It was from an interview, I think
@@jacobhunter6891 he still choose not to include a line like that in his movie. It’s not like every idea or explanation out of the mouth of a good writer or director is a good idea. Besides, learning that line also came from scrapped original source material really only adds to the argument that those who handled the sequels truly had no inspiration or idea what to do to progress the story.
Honestly Yoda's line on failure is something that has stuck with me. I was always afraid of failure and tried my hardest to not do so. Despite seeing the movie a few days ago and rewatching last night it's one line of the movie I felt had meaning. There are plenty of thought provoking lines in this movie but that one in particular stuck out to me and honestly it still surprises me that people hate this movie because this movie is smart and thought provoking
For real! I think I liked TLJ as much as I did because I loved that theme of screwing up, and then having to eat that and then try again. Learning from the past, instead of just killing it.
@@KireiC Dude same. I also really enjoyed how they made Luke more human because of that. I watched the og trilogy in high school because I didn't grow up with it and I've seen people idolize Luke as this perfect protagonist but I saw he wasn't perfect he's human just like the rest of us. Kylo to me at least was way improved because to me his character didn't gel with me all that much. I also loved him and Rey working together. I really love the whole enemies to lovers trope
*sips some 🦏🥛* Should we inform the rest of the Toxic Broods of this video? we could potentially have another MajorLee situation where EFAP brings on a guest that made a not so great TLJ video (not to mention another gold mine for some high quality memes)?
Jacob Hunter I don’t get what your saying but. I feel that the the fan base that doesn’t like the sequels want something that is harmless and expands on existing material. Instead of expanding the story and changing the monotony of Star Wars. Like Mando. Season two pushes this forward in a more obvious at, getting a lot more excitement out of the audience. I feel like Lucasfilm knows this. That’s why I am nervous for Star Wars. People enjoy rouge one for those reasons. Even the people who have a negativity towards the sequels would say that 7 and 9 are the best. Which ironically utilise familiar assets. The only difference is that it is still affecting the main Star Wars as a whole, as too the dislike. Tell me, have you noticed any new Star Wars besides Rians trilogy that isn’t in the realm of creating new Star Wars, instead of expanding what we love? That what I mean of Lucasfilm knows this.
@@matti.8465 I am someone who likes change. And It will get repetitive. People just like to form movies with marvel these days. Action everywhere with fan service and epic moments. It is evident of the fact that people think Jedi are superhero’s now judging by how they say Luke should have acted.
Honestly, after seeing Luke shat on by pretty much every single piece of Disney media, seeing ONE scene where he’s portrayed in a positive light must be the most refreshing thing on the planet to Star Wars fans. It’s like a woman in an abusive relationship taking beating after beating, until one day, her husband finally cooks dinner for her for once. Yeah, that doesn’t even come close to making up for all the abuse he put her through, but in her eyes, that must seem like the biggest act of kindness in the world to her. And it’s enough to keep her from leaving and finding someone better, which is exactly what the husband planned for from the beginning.
ikr? So stupid. One of the worst straw man arguments in this entire video. You've gotta bee a real bonehead not to understand what the issue is with Snoke's presence in the galaxy not being explained..
@@SineEyed When Palpy was first introduced in the original trilogy, his presence went completely unexplained, and nobody cared. Why should Snoke's backstory be given in the _middle_ film of a _trilogy,_ anyway? That wouldn't make any sense.
April Sidious didn’t need anything, as he contradicted nothing of the world we were introduced to in 1977 (he was even mentioned in that movie), and yet we got his story anyway. Snoke contradicts the ending of Return of the Jedi and his rise to power makes no sense. Your equivalence is nonsense.
@@april5054 it's very simple - Snoke would have been alive through the PT and OT eras. In TLJ we're shown that Snoke is vastly more powerful than any other force user we've ever seen. He's stronger than Luke, Vader, and Sidious combined. So where the hell _was_ he the whole time? Where was this galactic powerhouse hiding such that no other force users ever sensed his presence? Also, _why_ was he in hiding the whole time? Snoke's presence in the galaxy all the sudden is 100% incongruous with everything we know about that universe. RJ is 100% a retard..
Yeah. I liked a good amount of what the guy said but even he admits to sharing criticisms. Obviously a movie can have a problem or 2, but the execution of this film could have been better. Luke left a map to tell Rey he was done? Saving animals is more important than children, even when you have the option for both? (I can't remember if they had time for both) Holdo couldn't have committed suicide sooner so that less people/ships would have been destroyed? (They lost the medical ship with the lead doctor. Kind of important...) The fans have always had criticisms regarding the story and obviously Disney can tell Mark to say this and the media to say that. Nerrel believes what is being said about the Fandom Menace and it sucks because he is misinterpreting the passion the fans have and telling people to calm down, after the insults that the media have made, for more movies than just Star Wars.
Of course, the only people who don't notice them are either ignoring them, haven't been on the internet long enough, are Bister Rabbit, or just only notice the negativ; That last one is especially notable as it seem that most people truly only notice the negative.
Well the way I think of it is how Anakin or Vader are different, but the same. You see this in the original trilogy how Obi-Wan says Vader kills Anakin. Also how Vader refers to Anakin in the third person. At the end of the day in ROTJ he fulfilled his prophecy in both ways he made balance as Vader, but once it became to powerful Anakin ended it leading the way for the Jedi.
I think it's best to measure people more on their intentions than on their deeds. Anakin finally re-awakened to justice, and upon doing so, he defeated the Emperor, and... died. Had he gone on to live, he likely would've dedicated himself to atoning for his crimes however he could, but because literally death itself stopped him, he couldn't keep walking down that path. But regardless, he used what bit of his life he had left trying to do the right thing, even when doing that right thing is precisely what got him killed. Deeds are important, but they are ultimately a reflection of your will.
The mistake you are making is assuming that the Force allows force ghosts to be created based on how 'good' or 'bad' you were. There is no Heaven or Hell with the Force.
@@seanylewl This Really, the biggest problem with it was him even knowing how to do that in the first place, when it was set up as a skill you needed to learn
The hot take to end all other hot takes. There are a lot of good things for TLJ and theme in general, but there are also a lot of valid criticisms that can help others become better filmmakers/writers.
Every film should be criticised for its flaws and praised for its achievements, but at the end of the day, the main thing is whether you enjoyed seeing it or not.
Yes, having Luke be a hero and not a whiny, cowardly piece of shit who stood by and allowed billions of people to die and then bitched when asked to help is so terrible. Fuck off with your pretentious bullshit. The sequels damaged Star Wars and now Mando is fixing it.
@@trustno173 “everything you just said, is wrong.” You really need to put into perspective that he shit himself off from the force so he wouldn’t be tempted to help. Paying attention you’d see that his intentions are heroic. He wanted the galaxy to balance itself out without the Jedi. He was disillusioned and all hero’s are wrong. As the movie makes him out to be, also that is the lesson yoda teaches Luke. Saving the galaxy by keeping the spark of hope alive, and igniting it to a blaze when he stands up to the first order, inspiring any to do the same. Which Luke is based on hope. The mandalorian Luke just comes in, destroys an army of robots (cheap way to make someone seem badass). Then takes grogu, not giving the audience hope, but making us sad and the characters that a part of them and the show is taken away. Which to me doesn’t represent the hopeful Luke. Doesn’t it?
What a fascinating and nightmarish turn we’ve had. Where fan backlash to TLJ’s version of Luke as an actual character with Hamill being allowed to give a nuanced performance has been rejected in favor of a computer generated facsimile of the man that robs his face and voice to be used as a manifestation of Star Wars as safe and recognizable to a fanbase that fears anything that doesn’t cater directly to them.
@@NoDi10 Haven't you watched this very video? Mark Hamill took back the negative things he had said about The Last Jedi, instead praising the film and Rian Johnson.
Mark Hamill was “allowed” to have a more nuanced performance? Despite disagreeing with the choices for Luke’s character and being very vocal about it? Also maybe fans like it when their legacy characters don’t completely change for no reason. Like what excuse could you ever come up with for Luke even contemplating killing Kylo? It fundamentally does not make sense for Luke to do that after making a massive deal out of redeeming Vader simply because he was family and he could see the good in him. You guys seriously are fucking dumb.
My issue with new force powers for starwars characters is they can create problems with the preceeding trilogies. Like if rey can force heal, thats possible in this universe, why didnt luke just heal vadar in empire. Or better yet why did he even need the suit? Sheev could have healed him from his lava burns. I wanted the new triolgy to be original but not break continuity. There a a million examples of the new films doing this and thats why people are upset, with them i think. Another example is the use of the light speed as a weapon. Like that makes episodes 4,6, and 9 make no sense. Why couldnt they just do that to destroy the death stars?
@@sillygoose2878 what jedi cant do mind tricks? And which sith cant use lightning? Some jedi just so happen to have this new special ability that works perfectly to advance the plot. Gay.
RogelioDelaToro snoke has about as much development as palpatine in the OT, and if those movies are sacrosanct I don’t understand why it’s a problem here.
Star Trek fan here... I remember watching TLJ, with my Trekkie partner, and walking out of the threatre feeling and hearing the hatred of the longtime fans around us. That didn't stop us from talking about TLJ for several hours afterwards. It had interesting things to delve into and held up on a second watching.
@@whyor3619 it actually does. That's the thing, Ryan Johnson is a very authoral director/writer, so this movie seems to be made as an stand-alone movie, one that is made to work by itself, and i can see how it could be an interesting watch, seeing it without caring about any baggage. What ruins it is that it was supposed to be the middle part of a trilogy, so, what happened before and what will happen later kind of matters, alot.
@@Rihcterwilker As a reply, I feel even trilogies of movies need to stand on their own enough, and really only use the plot that came before to tie them together. When done that way, you get much better storytelling cause you wrap up each movie and themes through the 3 act structure the correct way, while leaving it open enough for the next movie.
I have genuinely had an argument with a guy who claimed The Last Jedi was the was the least successful Star Wars movie because it was too 'woke' and how it's ruining media... I don't even know man
@Geralt of Trivia it was 11 minutes sure, but it was a nearly un necessary 11 minutes, i was a little funny and could be comedic relief, but why relieve tension being built by the rebels slowly flying away from the super huge destroyer? Its very out of place, and almost didnt belong in the movie at all.
@Geralt of Trivia and my point wasnt "the movie was ruined by this" My point was "hey, youtube guy who made this, you did not address this string of scenes in the film that i viewed as very unimportant, where you claimed and shown the importance of the rest of the film." So we are both on the same side, i just wanted him to address the needlessly created paralells to our society in a movie thats supposed to be timeless, but will lose its timelessness by relating to a timeframe in our current state of country.
I felt that TLJ was the most personal episode of this trilogy. I think that had Johnson directed all three films it would have been a better trilogy than had Abrams done all three.
Even though I can easily complain about things I didn't like in TLJ, I agree. After seeing TROS i just wish Finns part wouldn't have been so shit in TLJ because it really brought the movie down (and I believe thats what caused a lot of negativity towards it). And it would have to change a lot of the movie but I would've liked Finn and Poe to spend more time with each other.
Nope, if rian had directed the third act he'd realise the corner he put himself in with tlj, that was my favorite thing about tlj, asking fans of that movie if their syched for nine, 10 out of 10 said "what?" No matter what happened the third act was gonna be shit, it's why I respect Irvin Kershner, the guy was considerate of his peers and left many interesting threads to work on in rotj, and while return of the jedi was a mixed bag it had the potential to be great, with tros it's shit if they do and shit if they don't
@@ravenwhiteduck3158 Rian left Kylo Ren in a fantastic position, killed the mans who was using him and set him up to be the main villain in episode 9 only for JJ to go the fan service route and bring back Palpatine. Also Irvin Kershner wasn't behind empires story that was still Goerge Lucas.
To be fair, in 7, JJ wrote Ryan into a corner. Ryan was forced to write off of the cliffhanger of Rey training with Luke, so Ryan tried to do his best to be creative. Irvin made (at least what I, and many others believe as) the best Star Wars movie, he had a lot more room for creativity. A New Hope was just called “Star Wars.” A sequel wasn’t the goal. A good movie was the goal, so a sequel just needed to be a good movie. I have my problems with TLJ, but Ryan tried to make a good movie, and I think he succeeded. I think there’s a difference between making a good movie and a good Star Wars movie, and I think TLJ is just an okay Star Wars movie. But in the words of Major Monogram from Phineas and Ferb, “I blame the internet.”
This dude saying his show is pointless cos this been talked to death, yet within the first five minutes he’s taught me shit loads about SW and it’s history. Keep goin mah dude
I feel in this movie, it's solidified that Luke really is Yoda's successor , maybe even surpassing him. He became the strongest Jedi in history ,not just by the projection but the way he greeted death like an old friend,in his own terms instead of getting slaughtered by some guy(even if it's his nephew).
@Lionard Kirsch He didn't become the greatest Jedi ever, for that. We've seen Jedi in the past refuse to kill, even in the prequels. That's the Jedi way, yk.
@Lionard Kirsch You think Luke would have just force nuked an entire Armada? Obi-Wan dying that way had more significance, because he LET himself die, in order to show Luke the way of the force. Luke dying there would be pointless and insignificant. By stalling Ben (and not engaging in combat, yk, the entire point of his arc in RotJ), he gave the resistance time to escape, as well as instill hope, passing the mantle to Rey.
@Lionard Kirsch And so you just answered your own question. Luke didn't play into Ben's game. And Obi-Wan also died on his own terms. He allowed himself to be killed in front of Luke, to show how the force worked. If Luke had just died on the battlefield, how would that inspire hope in the people? They could barely see what was happening, nor could they hear the conversation. But, Leia assured them that Luke was at peace, and he died peacefully. Is Yoda a coward? By your logic, he is. He ran, and hid on a planet, as well. But, he inspired hope in Luke, as Luke did for Rey.
For what it's worth, I think it could be pretty simple to headcanon Ep 8 as the ending of the Sequel Saga, considering all the arcs that're wrapped up with it. The First Order still existing could just be viewed as "the struggles of the future" that will never prevail, thanks to lessons learned today, etc. ROTS might be rough, but at least it's not like latter seasons of GoT, which are intraveneously bound with the higher quality seasons that came before.
I don't think it's fair to say that Star Wars fans aren't open to subversive interpretations to Star Wars. KOTOR 2 is one of the most beloved extensions of the Star Wars universe and is very subversive.
SO true. And why? Because it featured excellent characters, told a good Story AND respectfully added cool stuff to the SW universe. The exact opposite to TLJ.
This should be emphasized. This has always been an excuse that Star Wars fans can't be please, but honestly, I don't think that's true. I think the movies past the first three have just been varying degrees of bad and so we're not happy with them. When good stuff comes out (like The Mandalorian) people just shut up and praise it.
@@valiantparagonvideos2383 The mandalorian aint that good when compared with movie standards, though, it´s just that since we have to give it TV series standards we are going to have to lower our expectations and the art at the end looks great.
@@sebas8225 Saying a TV series isn't as good as a Movie isn't saying much, except in this case The Mandalorian IS better then TLJ. Why? Because it's quintessential Star Wars.
@Sebas G if you want movie level of standars watch clone wars. The tv series for kids that actually made people love the prequels and exploited most of that trashcan in a pretty good way. Hell even stuff like giving anakin an apprentice (something hated on arrival) was taken as a good thing in the end. You can please the fans....you just don t have to screw up.
I don't quite get why Star Wars 9 just didn't happen. Probably something weird with the production, but a little sad we'll never see it. Still, 8 is a fitting end to the series in its own right
I personally feel like only one third of the film is good: the Rey and Ben part. They bring interesting ideas to the force and rise certain questions about the past and the future. However the other two thirds, Finn and Poe's stories, aren't very well put together and just seem like vague ideas about what they wanted to do slapped in there for the sake of being their.
Thank you! Most of the movie is meh (if you disregard canon) but I really wanted the Rey and Kylo plot to go somewhere, not like they're in love, but like Rey actually joins Kylo. She had a lot of reasons too but it felt like that didn't happen because Disney wouldn't let it. In fact, Kylo Ren's arc is probably the highlight of the movie (to the point of being almost incredibly good), I just think they made some bad decisions in setting up his arc (i.e. Snoke turns into an idiot for a single scene and gets killed because of it despite the fact Snoke is clearly brilliant, probably even smarter and more dangerous than Palpatine ever was).
This is a pretty fair perspective. I personally think it's mostly just Poe's plot that feels "wrong". Finn and Rose's plot feels oddly like a metaphor for Disney itself if you look hard enough and I think I appreciate it in that way
This video didnt mention the elephant in the room. The god damn starship chase in space and no one is using their god damn hyperdrives. Its like they wanted to copy Battlestar Galactica but failed.
13:19 Honestly, all of Kylo's character being defined by the Force yanking him back and forth between Light and Dark makes me wosh his arc had ended with him giving up lightsabering altogether and retired to live a quiet life on a farm or something. I want him to find himself, and be closer to a monk or something. Deciding which side to be a warrior for, but for real this time, never could have been a satisfying ending for him. I want him to give it all up and find himself. All he's ever cared about is power - Sith powers, Light powers, control of the first order. Who is *He* without that?
I love how it goes into the depths of the nature of human thought, and as an extension life itself...all while juxtaposing the simplicity and the complexity of the universe..... I guess I’ll stop now.
My opinion on the Last Jedi: it’s not a perfect movie. But in all honesty, none of the Star Wars films are perfect films. They all have tonal issues, and annoying humor characters, and plot holes, and weird fight scenes. They don’t need to be flawless. What made Star Wars good was fun characters and a story about good, evil, and balance. For me, there is no question, TLJ blows episode 7 & 9 completely out of the water and stands as the best film of the sequels. I think it stands on its own even against the prequels in some ways. And yeah, I absolutely hate the entire Casino fetch quest thing. It’s terrible. But like… EVERY SW movie has an annoying side quest that the film could do without. Every character feels richer in this movie than they ever do in 7 or 9. They have good arcs and have to work hard to change. This is the only movie where Rey isnt a Mary Sue :0. She has to realize she is not special and choose to do good anyway. Kylo’s arc is fantastic. So yeah. I like The Last Jedi. Best sequel film. Honestly, would have been an excellent direction to move forward with for the series. Fight me.
Thank you. I understand why some of the complaints against TLJ may seem big, but what matters is consistently with criticism sometimes. If Canto Bight was apparently the worst subplot ever made, what would that make Han and Leia hanging out with teddy bears in RotJ? An untouchable masterpiece? Cause it sure as hell wouldn't by these standards. You'd think Han would have some more things to say to Lando after he betrayed them and allowed the badguys to torture him instead of just instantly forgiving Calrissian after the Jabba rescue. I've seen many shows aimed for kids that have done the whole friend must forgive other friend after a big oopsy better than RotJ. And even very basic things that make movies in general good are way more shaky in RotJ then they are in TLJ. Half the cast is clearly not putting their best in when it comes to the acting, some of the effects look pretty dodgy, and at points they even reuse an entire set of establishing shots from the original for RotJ instead of shooting new scenes.
Every Star Wars movie has annoying humor, plot holes, and annoying sidequests? Um... could you give examples? Also wdym Rey realizes she isn't special? Sure, she finds out her parents are "nobodies", but that's only significant in a meta context. Doesn't make Rey not special, she's still insanely strong in the Force while having virtually no training.
@@warmishtrash6046 Return of the Jedi. Like, if one takes off nostalgia goggles, the only thing in that movie that comes close to the greatness of Empire is the stuff with Luke, Vader, and the Emperor. The Jabba stuff could have ended with the Rancor. Han, Lando, and Leia are bumbling around and don't have much to do aside from provide action scenes, and of course, the Ewoks... Also almost everything regarding Obi-Wan in AotC (there's a fan edit where Jango's henchwoman just tells the two to go to Kamino so that there's no pointless detour to the fifties diner) and Obi-Wan vs Grievous in RotS is just there to pad time while the better stuff with Anakin and Palpatine takes place. Also, if you need to know about "potholes" just look up HISHE videos on Star Wars. In just the first movie alone, Leia is a complete dumbass for knowingly leading the Empire to the rebel base knowing full well the Falcon was being tracked. That's because Marcia and her editing team changed the climax at the last minute so that the Death Star was going to fire on the rebel base instead of just floating there waiting to be destroyed. They didn't remember to remove her earlier line about being tracked.
@@pacman5698 Episode 6 is definitely the weakest in the OT but I'm not sure I would call anything in the film an annoying sidequest, but I could be wrong considering how long it's been since I've seen it. Either way nothing in RotJ is nearly as bad as Kanto Bight, or any of the other garbage writing in TLJ. Also why do you assume I have nostalgia for episode 6? The prequels and Lego Star Wars are really the only things I have nostalgia for lol And maybe Empire as well to an extent
Wow, this scene in 7:47 is exactly like ending of mandalorian season 2. Was it written before or after it came out? Cos either way you were right - that was exactly what those fans wanted
@@cubearts1 one of the leaks for the new movie... is going back to suggest that he was going there to find something... so if that does come up, then it is true that the last jedi did sink the ship
It’s not super important, it is annoying I agree but it’s not extremely important to this story. Like maz having the lightsaber, it would be cool to know what happened but it doesn’t really matter in the larger story.
It feels good to finally hear all this laid out.. I left the cinema IN LOVE with the Last Jedi and slowly realised in the following weeks that I was in the minority.
Darth Azog it literally makes u feel like you’re living in an alternate dimension the way some of these people talk about the film. TLJ rules and they can’t accept that the film questioned their ideas of fandom
@@kanalkucker14 I personally love all of them, just because I love the last Jedi doesn't mean I have to hate something in return. I see the value and quality in all of them as separate films.
Of course I don't forbid you to like the movie, this is not what critics of it want to do. I'm just curious since I feel TLJ is inferior to Prequels and Original Triology alike. So guys just tell me, do you feel VII and VIII have a good plot line? Has Rian Johnson followed up on VII well?
Chances are those people who criticized the Prequels back then are critically *_NOT_* the same ones who criticize the Sequels and especially VIII now. I believe Sequels haters are a younger generation, many of whom grew up with the Prequels and love them… and some are incapable of recognizing their flaws. It’s not incoherence, it’s just two groups of haters from two different time periods.
So it turns out The Rise of Skywalker wasn't great. Sorry, folks- my bad. You may carry on with your business. I've got a good feeling about Cats, though
In the theater now, can't wait fo... oh god... that's a human face. That's a human face on that cat. This is uncomfortably erotic and terrifying... Please make them stop and be normal. This is all wrong. Oh god, I'm sick, I'm freaking out, I'm freaking out, I'm freaking out, they won't let me leave the theater, I'm freaking out
OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
In all seriousness I enjoyed the video regardless. It made me appreciate TLJ more but ultimately I think it was the wrong movie for this SW trilogy. We needed a trilogy which reinvigorated love and interest in the franchise, not something which was trying to be 2deep. Do that for a different story, not one which is supposed to be fun and have mass appeal. Out of all the descriptions for TLJ, "fun" is a word I've never heard used and that's a huge problem for such a kid-friendly franchise like Star Wars.
Good review Nerrel. Will wait for Neil Breen's interpretation: Dogs.
I disagree. I loved it and thought it was a great conclusion. The meaning of the prophecy is not about killing the Sith, but about having the dark side and light side coexist. Rey and Ben are the Dyad the prophecy was talking about. I love We were led to believe that Ben was the darkness and Rey was the light the prophecy spoke of, but in actuality it was the other around because Ben is the heir to the Skywalkers (light) and Rey is the heir to Palpatine (darkness). Having Rey be Palpatine’s granddaughter was not JJ apologizing for the Last Jedi it was him respecting Johnson’s vision while also creating the Balance. And at the end Rey and Ben come together to defeat Palpatine (who from The Phantom Menace to The Rise of Skywalker, is the reason why the darkside overweighs the light side) and now the darkness no longer overweighs the light and creates balance.
@@nolandavis1129 The problem is that Disney will want to continue this story. How are they able to do that if there's true harmony in the force? If it's just able to be disrupted again then how does that make this ending any different from ROTJ? It just feels like a more convoluted way of reaching a similar conclusion.
"The emperor doesn't get cloned"
Man that aged quickly, and bad
He doesn't get cloned. He makes clones
@@DDChorror Then there should be an explanation on how he survived the death star explosion, not talking about the entity, but his body. You cannot survive a planet sized explosion and then tell me he dies because of force lightning.
@@Tekaine I think that's literally what they are telling you. lol, not that I agree. The movie is a mess.
@@Tekaine couldnt he also force teleport like Rey did in tros? That seems like what happened to me
@@AlphaladZXA Could be, but that power could also be limited to the force dyad, it's useless to think about this, the movie doesn't give 2 shits about making sense.
For anyone asking where is The Rise of Skywalker guide.
Remember, it has to be long enough for anyone to give a shit for Nerrel to make the video.
Easy, open bag, vomit.
@@Ixiah27 pour it over the OT and Georges legacy
@@looppen9269
Hm, sorry, but why damage good movies ?
@@Ixiah27 I mean't that thats what Jar Jar Abrams did
Well it is correct now
Well that one part where you put Luke’s face over the Vader hallway scene aged well....
First thing I though of after watching the episode
KThomash same
I enjoyed that scene but on second watch it's kinda whack it just falls flat and seems kind of shoehorned in, while luke is a bit too whiny in TLJ he really does have some great moments dropping nuggets of wisdom
@@chrisquinn3377 eh, it was a bit fanservicey but I felt it makes sense considering the in-universe time period. Luke has become a Jedi master and is presumably even more skilled at the force and lightsaber combat than before. Not only that, but this is the very early stage of the Jedi order’s comeback, so I imagine there wouldn’t be many other Jedi out there that Grogu could reach.
I think JJ not having Luke show up when Han and Leia were suffering in TFA lead to Rian writing Luke the way he did. People blame Rian, but he was just trying to find a way to explain why Luke never came to help.
He’s destroying droids. Not killing people. So it’s not exactly the same I suppose 😂.
"The souless corporate decision would have been to do easy fanservice"
oof....
Oof, indeed.
HEY HEY HEY REMEMBER LANDO? REMEMBER PALPATINE?
2 YEARS LATER
I’ve seen a post on reddit that suggested just ignoring Rise of Skywalker and accepting TLJ as the final movie. I’m ok with that.
@@Wimikk
Nah, I'd rather just retcon the ST.
Can’t wait for the spin-off Snoke series that leads up to his Quinceañera
LOL !!!!
Yes, and we’ll discover that Snoke could never actually use the force, and used antique clocks as his source of power
Snoke was interesting and scary until he died. Palpatine should've never come and Kylo should've become the evil villain and not the will they won't they goth love interest.
@@samjames6714 YESSS every clock is powered by a kyber crystal just like the lightsabers
And his love of antique clocks!
...Holy shit that bit with the Vader hallway scene edited to be Luke aged spectacularly.
It's the only thing in this video that has.
@@ericsantucci6934 The only thing to age badly were his expectations of the third movie
The fact Disney's Star Wars is so easy to read what they can do next is laughable
@@kirbyofthestarsfan no, this was just an accident
I legit thought that he just used the scene from the Mandalorian at first until I saw the Darth Vader suit clearer.
7:44 hits different after seeing the Mandalorian LMAO
But it does not really contredict anything TLJ said. This is who Luke was during that time. I was not hyped because it did not look that great and it said nothing about the character but it was not bad.
@@bebo2629 Of course, that's Luke in his prime and it's just as in-character...but you gotta agree it's hilarious how that exact thing happened.
@@matti.8465 It is!
I feel like it wasn't entirely unjustified. He was attacking droids in order to save a group of cornered people so it was in a way for defense. Truthfully I'm not sure what he could have done differently in that situation but that doesn't mean I'm excusing it altogether. I just felt it was a little more complicated than how we're saying it is. I still would have preferred something else and perhaps the writers could have just put them in a completely different situation where Like didn't have to come save them. Though then there's still the issue of resolving the child's plotline.
This aged like a fine wine
"The emperor doesn't get cloned" ~ George Lucas
JJ Abrams would like a word...
Something something the entire Dark Empire series.
Chromanyx which is where that quote originated from
Well, it's Snoke that is a clone, technically. The emperor just survived the fall, lol
Mati Lozano he used force nailing it. Which we’ve seen in episode V when Luke falls down a shaft and lands on an extremely thin antenna. In the clouds.
See? Force Nailing it.
@@CMGThePerson That is OK, how did he survive the explosion of the death star though :) Did he flew in space like mary poppins too?
"Too Late, Who Gives a Shit" is now one of my favourite webseries
IKR?! Can't wait for the next ep! :D
Ezra.allknowing could you explain to me the exact differences between a vacuum chamber and outer space?
Nicholas Brush if you read the article he excerpts in this video, it actually says you’d be unconscious within 15 seconds, and dead shortly after. He failed to mention that bit of information however, for....some reason
BROTHER Ron how is that relevant to my comment?
Nicholas Brush well, I answered your question, thats how. You’d be dead much quicker in outer space
"Watch a video of kittens playing and someone shitting on TLJ beneath it."
I literally found this video due to someone linking it in a comment section for a video completely unrelated to Star Wars where a fight over this movie broke out
A fight broke out over Last Jedi?
Send link
Please send a link dude I know it's been half a year but please find it
@@and8091 bruh
Sad nerrel noises when the emperor gets cloned, the becomes his granddaughter and basically all his other points are totally smothered
Sad everyone when that happened.
Literally ruined the entire saga
Most of his points are still valid, and the gist of the video is still correct.
@@Epiousios18 yes, but it must have bit to see all that wasted potential
@@stuff31 I'd agree. My gut tells me they should have just stuck with Colin Trevorrow. His ideas were much more original at the very least, but only time will tell how these stories will age.
I think TRoS gets some of the overarching themes right. Especially from a world building point of view.
“Inspired by the last Jedi to be bolder in his final film” wow has this not aged well post TROS
The butthurt fanboys made Kennedy pull back. So we get generic garbage. Thanks, guys.
@@sthubbins4038 Thank Warner Brothers for not warning them that this is a bad idea
@@sthubbins4038 Yeah it's the fanboys fault that they had so little faith in Rian's film and its ideas, not their own. Lmfao cope. It's almost like they didn't have a real antagonist to use for the end of their trilogy and had to make something climax-worthy out of nothing.
@@sthubbins4038 Yes, fanboys are the reason the sequel trilogy is shit, Kennedy is a visionary.
(I know sarcasm doesn't translate well over text, so let me just clarify that I'm implying that your argument is... questionable, to put it nicely)
@@montefisto they mean episode 9. It just shits on episode 8 and coward in the corner trying not to piss off the fanboys. It's pathetic. Worst of the new trilogy.
It’s astonishing how TROS literally goes against everything this video was advocating for lol
I would love to see a breakdown of TROS with this level of depth in the context of this video
It's because of the backlash from all the fans. JJ Abrams and Disney thought they needed to fix something that actually wasn't broken. They could have put TLJ into a better light with using its ideas and build on them (use the concepts this video explains). Instead episode 9 actually wants TLJ to look bad and the rest is filler action which does not feel like Star Wars AT ALL. It feels like a Transformer movie with Star Wars characters and Star Wars ships. The charm of Star Wars is completely missing. And in the end, the new Disney trilogy doesn't change anything. The universe is now the same as it were at the end of episode 6 and that's just sad. The idea that true balance of the force is only accomplished by getting rid of the Sith AND the Jedi would have been awesome and would've created new opportunities for new interessting stories.
How exactly does it go against it?
@@EliasSchnetzer maybe to have rey die (all the sith in palps area dead and all the jedi in her are dead) thus restoring balance - kylo takes up the yellow lightsaber with a new form of jedi with better philosophy and its balanced, not entirely light or dark but both
@@mooniuploads9165 yes that would have been a lot more interessting than the actual eding. i don't like that at the end rey lives again and kylo is dead. if rey were dead it would have had a much bigger impact in my opinion.
@@EliasSchnetzer mhm and kylo would've got a nice redemptive ending instead of the easy cheap death cop out.
and a nice end to the skywalker saga instead of losing to manipulation and a palpatine taking their name lmao
my other suggestion was to have rey turn to dark side and them both live but in the end take on yellow lightsabers together and have dark and light co exist
My only issue with Leia flying through space was the visual aspect. I thought it made sense, I believed it, and I thought it looked a bit silly.
The visual aspect of that scene jumped strait out of a later Showa era Godzilla film
@@KaminoKatie LOL, that's spot-on!!
Agreed. I know she's pulling herself, but It does look like she's flying. I also don't buy that it's Leia's first time using the Force to it's full potential, as Rian said once. Sure, Luke's first trick involved pulling something, but it was just a sword from a snow bank. Pulling yourself from the air into a space station? Even as a person who exists in a world where the force doesn't exist, that sounds very advanced for a beginner. Then again, it did put Leia in a coma, so what do I know?
@@kylemorello4787 I think she went into a coma because she just barely survived being blasted out into the vacuum of space by a missile.
It's funny that you always get these extensive lore essays about why Leia wouldn't be able to do that because some people are desperate to prove their opinion as "objective" while "it looks very silly" is probably the most valid criticism.
The fact that JJ Abrams was inspired by The Last Jedi and said the ending of the trilogy was not effected is baffling to me. TROS spat in the face of every new and interesting idea TLJ had.
The _ending_ might not be affected, but the first half spent backtracking TLJ)that fans complained about) likely was.
In hindsight it might've been better to continue whatever RJ wanted with ep. IX, like DJ probably being set up as a twist mastermind that Ben & Rey have to fight together
@@revimfadli4666 I think it should have just been Ben vs Rey. The other subplot could be Finn and Rose trying to bring stormtroopers over to the good side, rather than having a whole thing with stormtroopers defecting and "not fighting what we hate but saving what we love" just to slaughter them mercilessly the film directly after
@@Bi_scotti_5 that's also good
But even TFA itself abandoned the humanisation of stormtroopers when it's not Finn
@@revimfadli4666 That's because J.J. is a bad writer, but I think that Finn would have needed the other 2 movies to convince him that it was the right choice.
Anyone here made rewrites for Episode 9? I would love to see them.
have we reached a pop-culture singularity where discussion surrounding the fandom expectations of massive brands like Star Wars is infinitely more interesting than the media themselves
Media discussion will always be just as good and entertaining as consuming media
I loved this movie and it’s truly a good one. But, as you can see, people ruin the media with their own hands.
That has been the case for a large variery of I.P.'s for a while now. Pokemon and Star Wars are the biggest examples I can think of.
its the sad reality of why my favorite movies I watch after the theatrical release at home but the ones i dont care for I see opening day in theaters. I dont need to see experimental films in theaters to be park of the conversation, the topic will still be alive and the movie unspoiled whenever i get around to it. But if you miss opening weekend of a star wars film youre totally out of the loop
Well said my friend. 👍🏿
Myths are not made to sell action figures
Perfection
True, but Porgs are.
@L1qu1d S1lenc3r yes, he certainly did.
For all the kids at home reading this: what we can draw from this, is that Rian "Hasno" Johnson doesn't know wtf he's talking about..
SineEyed 2020 Star Wars isn’t a myth, it’s just a work of fiction inspired by myths. Rian wasn’t referring to Star Wars specifically. Sure, Rian as well as LITERALLY ALL FICTION was inspired off of myths. And even so, Disney isn’t going to not make action figures. George Lucas, on the other hand- yeah, no he’s in it for the toys. I don’t get why we all have to blame Rian for being a smart writer as well as just a Star Wars fan, like us.
@@isaiahdavis9486 your comment is so far from accurate it's not even funny.. 😞
SineEyed 2020 I assume that you disagree with “LITERALLY ALL FICTION” part, which was sort of a joke, but at the same time, I’m hard pressed just coming up with something that isn’t at least loosely based from fiction. If you disagree with something else in the comment then I am curious to know what else.
Hey, thanks for making this video. I've been on the fence about this movie
since seeing it in the theater, with the positives always feeling matched or slightly overcome by my negatives. Years of circular discourse and certain popular video essays/reviews didn't really help.
I don't know why it took me so long to watch this when I've been subscribed for awhile, but I'm glad I have. Covering Star Wars' storytelling history and the way fans tend to fixate on the wrong things before leading into how Rian Johnson carried the "big idea" forward while still trying to make something unique gave me a new appreciation for The Last Jedi's story; and the context of the Abrams films on either side puts it into perspective even more.
If I had one "major" critique, it's that some of the commonly-lambasted scenes or moments you defend seem to be defended primarily on concept rather than execution - the biggest example for me being Luke throwing away the lightsaber. Not a problem at all in concept, but the context of the TLJ scene frames it as a comedy beat, and that's where it really falls flat for me. I didn't find it funny, just kind of awkward; and I'd describe numerous scenes or moments throughout the film in the exact same way, as worthy ideas (whether comedic or not) that are executed awkwardly, usually on the visual level. Leia's space maneuver, some Canto Bight shenanigans, etc. I acknowledge that humor is one of the most subjective things, so YMMV, but overall that "dubious execution" is a prevailing, unifying negative. I'll be rewatching the movie soon, so I'm curious to see if my perspective changes in that regard.
Anyway, the fact you managed to succinctly cover the film, SW as a franchise, and SW as a fandom all in one video under 40 minutes is really impressive in comparison to other reviews out there, lol. And on top of all that, I think you did a really good job on all fronts. I'd love to hear you talk about Star Wars more in the future, if you ever feel like you have more to say.
Well said!
I like how you pasted Luke's face on Vader, but now we got that in the Mandalorian this past year.....
He was taking out droids in the Mandalorian... how is that even close to same as killed younglings, or Tuskin kids, or real people on Tantative IV? He doesn't even kill Moff Gideon!
"it was so unoriginal that it doubled back on it's self and became original" might be the best and most accurate description of star wars I've ever heard
that actually kinda makes sense when you think about it. When someone pulls really hard from one or two influences, it can result in creative incest, so to speak. When you are being influenced by one particular thing it's extremely obvious and almost always comes off as a straight ripoff. But the more varying influences you pull from, the more you muddy the waters and diversify the creative gene-pool, thus getting closer to being more original the more you rip off from lots of different sources and mix and match all those influences together in new ways.
If star wars was only pulling from classic Flash Gordon like originally intended it would have been a shameless ripoff, why would I watch this when I can just watch what it's so clearly inspired by? But by adding the influences of things like Taoism and Samurai culture to create things like the Jedi and Sith, as well as a lot of the WW2 and Nazi symbolism towards the Empire and the stormtroopers (and the rebel alliance to lesser extent). And so on and so forth, you pull from so many things that you end up with something that's completely distinguished from it's primary original inspiration, and from everything else as well.
That’s most original stories.
@@mario167100 Agreed. Creativity comes not through creating something from nothing, but through combining and rearranging preexisting things in a (good) way nobody has thought about before.
That's what makes the Original Trilogy a masterpiece. It draws upon so many sources: Joseph Campbell, Akira Kurosawa, Old Western, Isaac Asimov (this one I'm not so sure but the first book of Foundation predated A New Hope by 30 years and I've heard rumors about Lucas' notion of a Galactic Empire being inspired by Asimov), "The Dam Busters," and nostalgic conventions from last-century TV shows where a doomsday device must be deactivated by the hero in a given time and such. And then Lucas blends them in a clever way and gives birth to something completely refreshing and engaging. They say that execution is all that matters, and Lucas does it right.
What the Sequel Trilogy does is not at all a creative process. It's a joke. A pale mockery done by JJ Abrams, mixed with a "fuck you" vibe spread all over it like rat poison spread over a suicide vest's projectiles by no other than Ryan Johnson. There's nothing creative in the making of those two films, just...repetitions, plagiarism, crudely done imitations, and spite; and the result is naturally something that's anything but a piece of literary work.
@@user-gb7ji6xy5d Why do you think that the sequel trilogy sucks?
@@mario167100 Lack of taste, culture, and respect, plus bloated ego and political agenda. That's why.
I always thought Jedi jumping was done with the Force instead of super legs
That's just fanons trying to be bigger than that which they allegedly "love". Reject them.
cuz it is
Alath Masster no it isn’t, shit is all made up
They do jump with the force
@@CTOOFBOOGLE galaxy brain response
This puts my feelings about this film, star wars and this fandom in the most perfect way. This felt good to see
I really didn't like the movie, but the points you make are great. Would have been interesting to see the whole trilogy realized by johnson.
I think these movies didn't really need to be completely made by Johnson. However, some communication between directors sounds like it would've improved the series
Are they? Abrams and Johnson failed to realize what gave Star Wars its worldwide appeal in the first place. The Skywalker Saga, the actual Skywalker Saga, is a straightforward story to the point where there are no jumps in time.
@@SirBlackReeds yeah attack of the clones doesnt time skip almost a decade, empire to return of the jedi doesnt have a 3 year time gap
Phantom menace doesnt have a decades time jump either
Your so right there are no time jumps
@@Eyeupthebison Why do you misrepresent me? Those aren't jumps in time. A jump in time is a _flashback._ If you can point to a flashbacks or flashforward in the entire, actual Skywalker Saga, then I will concede. Better yet, go watch So Uncivilized videos.
@@SirBlackReeds anakin seeing padme giving birth is a flash forward
Better yet there are 3 time jumps in the prequels
2 in the OT
1 in the st
Snoke’s Quinceanera is gonna be a great movie though. Can’t wait.
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I heard it was gonna be called Snokeceanera: A Star Wars Story
"You were the Chose One, Anakin, I googled it!"
Must....feeeed.....
@Czech Paratrooper You are absolutely fucking right! This is so disingenious, he is lying into our faces.
It's Disingenuous, twisting data and facts to support the narrative he wants to tell. No respect.
@Czech Paratrooper I'm too lazy to read it, could you summarize it?
Guys
It was really obvious that was a joke
I love that Luke didn't hurt anyone in the entire movie, he was completely peaceful, a true Jedi that saved his friends without hurting anyone else.
What a jedi thing to do... Attempting to kill his nephew in his sleep after only getting a tingle of the dark side from him.
@@megaultradamn That is in the past, and in character.
He didn't get a hint, he saw EVERYTHING that Ben would do and for a moment, lost his idealism. He did the exact same thing against Vader, except then the moment lasted longer.Both times, however, he came back from the edge, overcame his flaws and went on to become a near-perfect Jedi
@@spartanparty3894 Did the same thing to Vader? No. Vader killed his mentor, a planet full of billions of people, and captured his best friend. He still tried to sway him to the light. The only reason he snapped momentarily was when he had no other option. His friends were about to die, he was outmatched, and Vader threatened to turn Leia instead of him. He only stopped when Vader was incapacitated and saw the similarities between themselves.
Luke had much longer time to decide what to do with Kylo. We never got a hint that he tried to talk to his nephew before he went into his tent. I would've bought that he was left with no other choice after he foresaw Kylo kill Han, but the film didn't give us anything to go off from. Wouldn't it be better to see what choices he had before commiting to the choice he made?
@@megaultradamn Luke discovered what would happen when he entered Kylo's tent. That's the the moment he reffers to. I'm not saying that it was perfectly executed, just that it was in character.
Luke noticed his nephew was acting weird and read his mind. He proceeded to get visions of the destruction of the Jedi temple, and the capital worlds by Starkiller base, and presumably Hans death. After all that Luke turned his lightsaber on out of instinct and then felt ashamed, but it was too late.
@@spartanparty3894 lol turned on the lightsaber out of instinct? After years and countless hours of Jedi meditation and training, he succumbs to the first murdererous instinct he has? Wouldn't the jedi thing be to calm down and rationally talk things through with Kylo? Christ, imagine if the Jedi slaughtered the younglings in the prequels for having naughty thoughts
If it was up to me I would've had Rian Johnson direct both VIII and IX, just out of curiosity for knowing where he would've taken it because of all the people saying he wrote the series into a corner and there was nowhere to go.
You can look up the Duel of the Fates script by Trevorrow and Connolly. When Trevorrow was originally helmed to do IX, he was writing the intended story to continue TLJ and it has certain elements that Johnson brought in that worked, and others that didn't. It got canned because Fisher's death threw a wrench in the bunch and the rewrites weren't getting them to the point in time. Coupled with the backlash to TLJ making Lucasfilm really feel as if they should retcon it as instructed by the base.
Rian was actually asked to direct IX after Colin stepped down but obviously turned it down.
I did not like TLJ -- IMO it's got a handful of good ideas and a mess of terrible ones -- but I like Johnson's other work and I am very curious what the ST would look like had he been around from the start.
Well, 15 minutes in, and I now have all the Snoke backstory I'll ever need.
Snoke comes from the jar of snokes. Don't act like you wanted more.
But what about his quinceanera?! 😡
@@ellagage1256 We'll never know, now. Kylo Ren took that from us. 😭
Snoke was a child that grew up and became an adult. Wow.
I sure as shit didn't like TLJ but this is an interesting and fair take and I fully intend on sharing it with the boys and hearing their thoughts. This is why im a fan of yours tho
I couldn't agree more. I'm learning to lose my religious zealot like attitude and appreciate more narratives and views.
What on earth was fair about one-sidedly accusing people who don't like TLJ of living in an echo chamber? Or the liberal use of strawman arguments? Or the convenient omission of counterpoints?
I think the big words just confused you, guy.
Imagine thinking TLJ haters are some sort of oppressed minority. What a joke.
@@mphylo2296 Imagine thinking anyone thinks that.
@@jiijijjijiijiij I know right! I don't get what happened.
It was actually amazing watching “EFAP” react to this video. They pause every few seconds, make a bunch of arguments, then those same arguments get completely invalidated a few moments later when the point you’re trying to make is concluded. They are the definition of goal post movers
It’s actually kind of insane. My absolute favorite part is when one of them got nitpicky about the clip of Johnson saying King Arthur’s hero’s journey started with the sword in the stone, and then conveniently didn’t have anything to say when they all misinterpreted the rest of Johnson’s point about King Arthur’s later life getting darker as he grew older (spoiler, he considers killing his nephew). And then they went on a tangent about Johnson’s “punchable face”. Truly, the high bar of objective criticism.
Don't forget the KMT part where they said they aren't racist and then lost their shit laughing at every piece of racism towards KMT that Nerrel showed in the vid. Goofy motherfuckers
I didn't know that they had done this. When I saw, I went out, watched the video, and left rebuttals to like 20 different comments. Perhaps that was a bit of a douchey move, but... Nerrel is the best human on the planet and I will not stand by and let him get harrased.
What's efap?
@@moscanaveia it’s a podcast
4:05 - The force
9:35 - Mystery
16:00 - Luke
22:15 - Themes
Bump
“Themes” lol
@@SteveSmith-rt7wxWhat are you laughing at?
"The wookie has no pants" -Mark Hamil, 2004
I seriously don't think it's too late to talk about the last jedi.
Trigger Me6 ...but I’m failing to come up with a joke.**
Vasian Vasianich
There was nothing profound about it.
The people who didn't like it certainly still won't shut the hell up about it.
Jenny Seidel
And why should they?
@@qmulus1 Because it's pathetic to constantly complain about the same sub-par movie for two years. Most sane people would've just said they didn't like it, said why they didn't like it, and move on with their lives. It really shouldn't be that big of a deal.
this is the first TLJ video that actually made me want to go back to the movie again
I always come back to this video. Even after TROS, it's so rewatchable.
Agreed. There are more strawman than a harvest festival and it's fun to watch him bash em
@@Paper_titan what do you mean, "strawman"? I've heard actual people making the arguments he's refuting in this video.
Take-home message: The wookiee has no pants.
Thank you, Mark Hamill!
"The wookie has no pants" just adds to the creepy part of the Christmas Special
Very cool
He gave me the most profound realization of my life right there...
Rian Johnson: "Myths are not meant to sell action figures."
Toys R Us: ...
But they came back
Toys r us, what did you expect?
So now he killed Luke AND Toys R Us! Why, Rian Johnson, Why?!
Wait Rian actually said that? For real?
@@TitusCastiglione1503 yes he did
disneystarwarsisdumb.wordpress.com/2018/03/19/rian-johnson-myths-are-not-made-to-sell-action-figures-as-toys-r-us-goes-out-of-business/
_“…we can talk about why Star Wars fans are the worst people…”_
Judging on what happened to the prequels that almost lead the actor of *Jar Jar Binks* to *commit suicide,* you’re not wrong.
I would consider what they did to Jake Lloyd to worse.
Holy shit, that happened? What about him registers it as acceptable in their minds to harass the actor to that point?
@@swissidol8403 idiocy, as usually
@@swissidol8403 and self-righteousness
George Lucas also contemplated suicide after the backlash of the prequels.
I think you have single handedly made me like The Last Jedi. Before I was mostly neutral but you showing me how important this movie was in reference to the failures of the Jedi Order and the whole seeking balance to the force thing really made me appreciate what Rian was trying to do with this movie.
@Bolt Fantasticated
I envy you, because this video doesn't change my mind. Nerrel is saying the film actually had good ideas. I'm more focused on the execution of those ideas, which was done poorly.
@@DemonicRemption that’s what i have thought about this movie for the longest time- really cool ideas, execution needed a lot of work. however, upon the realization that i think of the prequels in a very similar way, i can at least appreciate the intentions this movie had and enjoy it for what it is, despite its large sum of flaws. even just the fact that this movie feels far more soulfully made and less corporate in reflection is enough for me to like it more.
Kinda the same for me even though I was always leaning towards being favorable
the video is just unnecessary tbh, it’s just strawmans, misunderstandings, and exaggerations, not to mention pretentious asf, which i get it, star wars fans are fucking annoying, but gosh. the movie itself is easily top 5 star wars films, but we’re doing too much now, the move is just recycled ideas that try to make something out of itself, and where it succeeds, it fails what dorks would call the trilogy with two awful films that got nothing wrapped up besides fan service. learning that george lucas decided to make luke a hermit actually bums me out, because i really expected it to be rian’s decision, i’m grateful he did go that direction in the end, although the execution was kinda…underwhelming
@@hashly8521 I don’t think this video is “unnecessary” it change my view on the last Jedi
"It's disrespectful to parade them around for nostalgia's sake without moving them forward"
*Cries in Dragonball*
Fooacta I love this joke and you. I feel seen.
Truth to power my man :D
@Jos Stupid? Always. Mediocre? ...Occasionally, yeah. Mostly after Cell though. Otherwise it's pretty awesome as a whole
@Jos The real reason it's popular is that there wasn't an easy way to get anime in the early-mid 90s....there was pretty much just DBZ and Sailor Moon. But a little switch clicked in a lot of peoples' heads: Japanese TV is different, and it's fcking interesting!
That said, I've never liked Dragonball....the first anime that clicked with me was a bootleg VHS of Lain, but you had to "know a guy" to find that stuff. Now we have lots of anime, but no one can shut up about the first one they really loved (hence all 90s kids showering praise on a kind of mediocre anime)
@@exquisitecorpse4917 Dragonball was no one's first anime in Japan yet its most successful there.
My only real problem is that neither Rey nor Kylo lost their arms
Like how do you mess that up
JJ really has some slack to pick up huh
Could you imagine the backlash at showing a woman being dismembered? Especially with today's too PC, SJW culture?
@@KEVMAN7987 Honestly while it's an issue, look at what happened with Hazbin Hotel for example...how big an issue It is is SERIOUSLY overblown.
Kevin Gomolchak and then we push back and say you wanted equality right?
Kevin Gomolchak also stop being a parrot, the world has always been PC
I liked some of the ideas in TLJ but I think my main issues were the Finn and Rose side quest and the movie basically ending in the same place it began: with the Resistance having suffered heavy losses and fleeing the First Order.
I don't think that's a big deal since the movie was all about the characters and where they're at by the end. Ep V didn't have much change in terms of the broader conflict either but a lot happened to the characters.
That's not even remotely accurate. TFA ends with The Resistance achieving a massive victory and destroying the First Orders greatest weapon. Rey has discovered her force sensitivity, and Luke is found. Kylo Ren is going off to Snoke to complete his training. And both Rey and Kylo are mortal enemies.
TLJ ends with the First Order winning, and the Resistance being completely wiped out. Snoke is dead and Kylo Ren is now the Supreme Leader of the galaxy. Rey and Kylo now have a really complicated relationship and have empathy for each other. Luke is dead, but he brought hope back to the galaxy with his actions, which was gone in his absence at the beginning of the movie. The entire power dynamic has shifted on both sides of the war and the spirit in the galaxy has totally changed.
It's such a bizarre criticism. So much happens in TLJ, that many people criticized it for that, yet other people say nothing happened. It's like... what... Even JJ Abrams said in an interview that "a lot happens" in TLJ and he was the one who wrote the previous film.
@HopesUp clearly you didn't watch the full video
Finn and Roses side quest was one of the best parts of the movie. It shows another side of the galaxy, one where people are profiting off the war instead of suffering for it. It describes evil undertones to what can look like great things.
And the top comment explains your other complaint
@Foc@sLoc@s What? He definitely touched on most of the major criticism
This has been legit fascinating. I had basically come around to Luke's portrayal in Last Jedi, but this puts the rest of the film in perspective for me. There are still issues that I have, including any lack of backstory for Snoke (Luke or Leia could have given a single line explaining at least what they thought Snoke was).
For the first time, I get what the critics saw in this movie. It's just a shame it was all wasted by IX.
I mean The Emperor didn't have any backstory in the original trilogy but that doesn't matter since he serves as an obstacle to Vader and Luke's arc
Why? Luke's change in personality was never properly transitioned. He was loyal to a fault, fearless when it's time for action, and a little impatient with the persons who doubt him. Now he's a cynical old man who's given up. There's Point A and Point D, but it's lacking Points B & C.
@@SirBlackReeds People don't stay the same forever especially in 30 years
@@KaminoKatie Also the description people make up of Luke isn't even true when they state he was "out of character" in TLJ. He was just as much whiney, reckless, stubborn as a mule, and prone to anger and rage as he was positive. For a character they describe as the shining beacon of all things good about humanity it took seeing his family getting incinerated in a raid just to get him off the planet and out of his room playing with his toys. They write about Luke as if the entire point of his character was not that he was supposed to be a villain in his story given his lineage and how much he shared with daddy. He was good in spite of his destiny and nature. Not because of it.
I think a lot of the fanbase views Luke in the same way a lot of them treat Boba Fett. They like the idea of what he CAN BE as opposed to who he actually was.
@@KaminoKatie I think the problem with comparing Snoke to the Emperor is... we already got the Emperor. He was evil incarnate, the devil on Vader's shoulder, and his name tells everything we need to know about him- there's an Empire and he's the one in charge. Snoke is, um, also the Emperor but not? Emperor 2? It's the inherent downside to being the 5th/8th film in a 40-year-old franchise. Audiences expect an explanation to contextualize any addition to the narrative.
Rose stops Finn from sacrificing himself by damn near sacrificing herself.
And everyone else.
@InSanctvs Also it makes her look selfish by saving the guy he likes and essentialy leaving all the rest to die.
Keep in mind that no one had a backup plan, not even Leia and no one knew Luke was coming at all, from their perspective they were on their own and the only chance they had to survive and gain time was to stop that cannon and is actually funny that when she delivers the line of "saving what we love" the empire blows up the doors to the base
And yes Luke did prevent the empire for killing them but again, he being there from their perspective is pure luck, Rose's actions made no sense at all.
Yeah honestly I’m in the camp that thinks this is the best SW movie since Empire but every time I watch and see that scene I facepalm. It even just goes against the rest of what the movie sets up. And the romance felt forced, like I didn’t get any kind of romantic vibes from them at all. Like if they were going to ship them then they should’ve done it in the next film where they had time to develop something between them other than platonic. Though I did like Roses character cause it felt fresh, like it’s nice to see a main-ish character in SW that’s not a combatant of some sort.
Them both*
This video was great, but no one will ever convince me that scene wasn't fucking stupid. They should have had her stop him from going out there in the first place.
Also, the purple haired lady JUST sacrificed herself to save them. Literally, right before.
"GROWING UP I ALWAYS HAD A FASCINATION WITH ANTIQUE CLOCKS. THE TICKING... //gasps ...THE TOCKING."
"The important thing for this character at this point isn't finding the answer, its breaking her dependence on it" something I wish the star wars fan base learned long ago.
Beatifully said.
Yeah for real Star Wars doesn't deserve Rian Johnson XD
@@frempy4426 I hope they are still planning on making the proposed Ryan Johnson Trilogy. I want to see what Ryan can do with full creative control over a full and proper story.
like of everyone who's worked on star wars films and TV Ryan is the only director I would trust with writing something KOTOR:2's masterpiece story.
"Destructive power is a Sith thing."
Oh, boy...
I don't get it. Are you referencing Luke in the Mandalorian? There is a reason why in one hallway scene robots are being destroyed and in the other human beings are being slaughtered.
@@Epiousios18 I was, but that's a fair point.
@@Epiousios18 isn’t it supposed to be an ongoing moral thing in Star Wars whether droids are people or not
@@benjaminwatson7868 The movies never seem to think much of it. Droids like C3PO are bought and sold like property, despite being living, independent beings.
@@Epiousios18 What if it was humans in the hallway, instead? Would he have turned around and flew off?
I think the mandalorian is so good because its literally just a western but in star wars and the people making it just want to have fun
The Mandolorian embodies the spirit of star wars more than the Disney sequel did.
Sadly it's kinda predictable.
Give it time. “Fans” will find a reason to hate it.
@@Jacob-ec6st they already have, i asked one of them why he thought so and he called me a bench warmer. it was weird...
@@NanneEsqui13 Sheesh. It's the unfortunate state of star wars that people will complain no matter what and bash something that another person enjoys instead of just focusing on what they enjoy.
After seeing Rise of Skywalker this is such a perfect video. I have no doubt that Rian Johnson loves star wars and made a truly fantastic and tragically misunderstood film
@MisAnthro Pony of the sequels it's the only one significantly built off Lucas's original plans (old hermit luke training a young female jedi originally names Kira on an island) and it is pretty consistent with the lore other than the newly introduced force projection. Most of the episodes introduce a new force power. 5 introduced force jumps, 6 introduced lightning, 1 introduced jedi sprint, 7 introduced stopping blaster bolts, and most of the powers come from the old EU.
@MisAnthro Pony oh so now the brony's gonna lecture us?
@MisAnthro Pony
My nigga
Is that you?
God damn now your the entitled brat
I absolutely love the continuity of your garbage truck.
I wish I'd found this video three years ago.
Edit: You ABSOLUTELY changed the mind of a hater.
Leia using the force to pull herself back to the ship wasn’t really a logical issue to me but rather it was just a really cheesy looking and stupid moment. I do like the movie for the most part but I just wanted to say my issues with that scene aren’t about “how I think the force should work”
For me it was the explosion first, The actual death of Carrie Fisher, the goofy way she brought herself back, the off screen and off hand way they killed ackbar, the way the shields were handwaved away.
@@jonsimpson6240 Ackbar is kind of a fan favorite due to memes, but at the end of the day he's not really anyone of major importance. He was the admiral in the final battle in RotJ. That doesn't make him a nobody but I don't know if he necessarily earned a big dramatic death moment.
If anything, I'd say the gut punch of how nonchalantly he was killed hammered in the horror of that scene. Without him being there, it would've just been a bunch of nameless admirals followed by the only character of note saving herself. Ackbar had just the right level of name recognition and plot relevance to kill off there and have that scene mean something.
@@Zakon673 I get You, but we found out he was on the bridge when we found out he died.
A couple of lines beforehand would sell that gutpunch even more
@@Zakon673 I do think that any gut punch was undermined by Leia flying back in, and by the general nonsense of three light fighters being able to cripple a cruiser on their own. But maybe that us just me.
For me, I love that moment because of the score and how it means that Leia really did finally tapped into that power like Luke said she eventually would. I also understand the limitations of a 60 year old woman on wires, which I understand made it look cheesy to most.
I had to look up whether that "Jedi Leaping and Running" page was real. Well played.
I don't always agree with Nerrel, but his image manipulation has always been top-tier.
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What's really ironic is that the line "That's how we win. Not fighting what we hate, but saving what we love" was originally a quote from Irvin Kershner while filming Empire Strikes Back.
But there’s probably a reason why he didn’t put it into his movie.
@@thomasjeppesen3055 It wasn't in the script, Kershner was describing the fundamental difference between the Empire and Rebellion. It was from an interview, I think
@@jacobhunter6891 he still choose not to include a line like that in his movie. It’s not like every idea or explanation out of the mouth of a good writer or director is a good idea.
Besides, learning that line also came from scrapped original source material really only adds to the argument that those who handled the sequels truly had no inspiration or idea what to do to progress the story.
I can’t BELIEVE you predicted the mandolorian season 2 finale.
Honestly Yoda's line on failure is something that has stuck with me. I was always afraid of failure and tried my hardest to not do so. Despite seeing the movie a few days ago and rewatching last night it's one line of the movie I felt had meaning. There are plenty of thought provoking lines in this movie but that one in particular stuck out to me and honestly it still surprises me that people hate this movie because this movie is smart and thought provoking
For real! I think I liked TLJ as much as I did because I loved that theme of screwing up, and then having to eat that and then try again. Learning from the past, instead of just killing it.
@@KireiC Dude same. I also really enjoyed how they made Luke more human because of that. I watched the og trilogy in high school because I didn't grow up with it and I've seen people idolize Luke as this perfect protagonist but I saw he wasn't perfect he's human just like the rest of us. Kylo to me at least was way improved because to me his character didn't gel with me all that much. I also loved him and Rey working together. I really love the whole enemies to lovers trope
It’s an amazing film
This!
>holds on to glass of rhino milk
Go on
A fellow toxic brother 🥛
Slice and dice, brother!
Praise Jeb!
*sips some 🦏🥛*
Should we inform the rest of the Toxic Broods of this video? we could potentially have another MajorLee situation where EFAP brings on a guest that made a not so great TLJ video (not to mention another gold mine for some high quality memes)?
@@titansparrow64 we should. I would like to see nerrel debate mauler and jay. It would be celestial!
"That didn't exactly work out for Indiana Jones"
That goes double now.
7:45 lol.
After watching mando this came right to my head. How ironic that this is exactly what fans are cheering on. Right down to your sentence.
Jacob Hunter I don’t get what your saying but. I feel that the the fan base that doesn’t like the sequels want something that is harmless and expands on existing material. Instead of expanding the story and changing the monotony of Star Wars. Like Mando. Season two pushes this forward in a more obvious at, getting a lot more excitement out of the audience. I feel like Lucasfilm knows this. That’s why I am nervous for Star Wars. People enjoy rouge one for those reasons. Even the people who have a negativity towards the sequels would say that 7 and 9 are the best. Which ironically utilise familiar assets. The only difference is that it is still affecting the main Star Wars as a whole, as too the dislike. Tell me, have you noticed any new Star Wars besides Rians trilogy that isn’t in the realm of creating new Star Wars, instead of expanding what we love? That what I mean of Lucasfilm knows this.
@@thefilmrookie3099 I think the new stuff is expanding and doing new stuff but in a safer way. That's not necessarily bad, but it's noticeable.
@@matti.8465 I am someone who likes change. And It will get repetitive.
People just like to form movies with marvel these days. Action everywhere with fan service and epic moments. It is evident of the fact that people think Jedi are superhero’s now judging by how they say Luke should have acted.
Honestly, after seeing Luke shat on by pretty much every single piece of Disney media, seeing ONE scene where he’s portrayed in a positive light must be the most refreshing thing on the planet to Star Wars fans. It’s like a woman in an abusive relationship taking beating after beating, until one day, her husband finally cooks dinner for her for once. Yeah, that doesn’t even come close to making up for all the abuse he put her through, but in her eyes, that must seem like the biggest act of kindness in the world to her. And it’s enough to keep her from leaving and finding someone better, which is exactly what the husband planned for from the beginning.
What a surprise, Luke actually being a hero made everyone happy...
Omg, your Snoke segment explaining his backstory XD
ikr? So stupid. One of the worst straw man arguments in this entire video.
You've gotta bee a real bonehead not to understand what the issue is with Snoke's presence in the galaxy not being explained..
I loved that part, straight gold.
@@SineEyed When Palpy was first introduced in the original trilogy, his presence went completely unexplained, and nobody cared. Why should Snoke's backstory be given in the _middle_ film of a _trilogy,_ anyway? That wouldn't make any sense.
April Sidious didn’t need anything, as he contradicted nothing of the world we were introduced to in 1977 (he was even mentioned in that movie), and yet we got his story anyway.
Snoke contradicts the ending of Return of the Jedi and his rise to power makes no sense. Your equivalence is nonsense.
@@april5054 it's very simple - Snoke would have been alive through the PT and OT eras. In TLJ we're shown that Snoke is vastly more powerful than any other force user we've ever seen. He's stronger than Luke, Vader, and Sidious combined.
So where the hell _was_ he the whole time? Where was this galactic powerhouse hiding such that no other force users ever sensed his presence? Also, _why_ was he in hiding the whole time?
Snoke's presence in the galaxy all the sudden is 100% incongruous with everything we know about that universe.
RJ is 100% a retard..
My favorite part is when they go to the planet with slave children and decide to free the animals.....
no name What did you want them to do? Take the children to an active war zone?
wolborg105
They could’ve... just not had that side plot.
Yeah. I liked a good amount of what the guy said but even he admits to sharing criticisms. Obviously a movie can have a problem or 2, but the execution of this film could have been better.
Luke left a map to tell Rey he was done?
Saving animals is more important than children, even when you have the option for both? (I can't remember if they had time for both)
Holdo couldn't have committed suicide sooner so that less people/ships would have been destroyed? (They lost the medical ship with the lead doctor. Kind of important...)
The fans have always had criticisms regarding the story and obviously Disney can tell Mark to say this and the media to say that. Nerrel believes what is being said about the Fandom Menace and it sucks because he is misinterpreting the passion the fans have and telling people to calm down, after the insults that the media have made, for more movies than just Star Wars.
That’s how they win! #worthit
Vegan lobby is strong in this film look at what they did to Chewbacca...
I love how there are reasonable people on the internet still haha
Of course, the only people who don't notice them are either ignoring them, haven't been on the internet long enough, are Bister Rabbit, or just only notice the negativ; That last one is especially notable as it seem that most people truly only notice the negative.
@@chocov1233 all humans have by evolution a negativity bias, so yeah, it's common.
Yeah, too bad Nerrel isn't one of them.
3:51 in and this is already the best piece of Star Wars related content on UA-cam
I still have trouble accepting that Anakin went to the Jedi heaven or whatever at the end of ROTJ after he killed children in ROTS.
Well the way I think of it is how Anakin or Vader are different, but the same. You see this in the original trilogy how Obi-Wan says Vader kills Anakin. Also how Vader refers to Anakin in the third person. At the end of the day in ROTJ he fulfilled his prophecy in both ways he made balance as Vader, but once it became to powerful Anakin ended it leading the way for the Jedi.
I think it's best to measure people more on their intentions than on their deeds. Anakin finally re-awakened to justice, and upon doing so, he defeated the Emperor, and... died. Had he gone on to live, he likely would've dedicated himself to atoning for his crimes however he could, but because literally death itself stopped him, he couldn't keep walking down that path. But regardless, he used what bit of his life he had left trying to do the right thing, even when doing that right thing is precisely what got him killed.
Deeds are important, but they are ultimately a reflection of your will.
The mistake you are making is assuming that the Force allows force ghosts to be created based on how 'good' or 'bad' you were. There is no Heaven or Hell with the Force.
@@seanylewl This
Really, the biggest problem with it was him even knowing how to do that in the first place, when it was set up as a skill you needed to learn
seanylewl I know this backtracks on the video we just watched but wookiepedia has an article for force ghosts and there is a netherworld or some crap
The hot take to end all other hot takes. There are a lot of good things for TLJ and theme in general, but there are also a lot of valid criticisms that can help others become better filmmakers/writers.
Not really a hot take. A lot of people liked it.
If only Rian Johnson could actually listen to those valid criticisms
@@rednas3271 Except that it doesn't matter cause it doesn't look like he'll be making another Star Wars movie.
@Grant Kerr Yes he has. Like it or not.
Every film should be criticised for its flaws and praised for its achievements, but at the end of the day, the main thing is whether you enjoyed seeing it or not.
it's depressing that the luke hallway scene in this video was a joke, then mando went and literally did it. the fanboys have taken over.
So true.
to be fair, those were droids that were in his way of saving grogu
Yes, having Luke be a hero and not a whiny, cowardly piece of shit who stood by and allowed billions of people to die and then bitched when asked to help is so terrible. Fuck off with your pretentious bullshit. The sequels damaged Star Wars and now Mando is fixing it.
@@trustno173 typical Star Wars fan
@@trustno173 “everything you just said, is wrong.”
You really need to put into perspective that he shit himself off from the force so he wouldn’t be tempted to help. Paying attention you’d see that his intentions are heroic. He wanted the galaxy to balance itself out without the Jedi. He was disillusioned and all hero’s are wrong. As the movie makes him out to be, also that is the lesson yoda teaches Luke. Saving the galaxy by keeping the spark of hope alive, and igniting it to a blaze when he stands up to the first order, inspiring any to do the same. Which Luke is based on hope. The mandalorian Luke just comes in, destroys an army of robots (cheap way to make someone seem badass). Then takes grogu, not giving the audience hope, but making us sad and the characters that a part of them and the show is taken away. Which to me doesn’t represent the hopeful Luke. Doesn’t it?
What a fascinating and nightmarish turn we’ve had. Where fan backlash to TLJ’s version of Luke as an actual character with Hamill being allowed to give a nuanced performance has been rejected in favor of a computer generated facsimile of the man that robs his face and voice to be used as a manifestation of Star Wars as safe and recognizable to a fanbase that fears anything that doesn’t cater directly to them.
yea but hamill like his performances in the mandalorian and tbob whereas their is long compilations of him not liking the last jedi and sequels
@@NoDi10 Haven't you watched this very video? Mark Hamill took back the negative things he had said about The Last Jedi, instead praising the film and Rian Johnson.
Unnecesarry Fan Service *and* bad CGI?! Its the worst of both worlds!
Mark Hamill was “allowed” to have a more nuanced performance? Despite disagreeing with the choices for Luke’s character and being very vocal about it? Also maybe fans like it when their legacy characters don’t completely change for no reason. Like what excuse could you ever come up with for Luke even contemplating killing Kylo? It fundamentally does not make sense for Luke to do that after making a massive deal out of redeeming Vader simply because he was family and he could see the good in him. You guys seriously are fucking dumb.
@@Martell364 Pft, it's easy to speak your mind and then just say "nevermind"; especially when Disney is practically pointing a gun at you to do so.
I'm still laughing at "he's choking him through the TV . . . He's . . . Skype choking him !"
Well, didn't expect this.
I had to double check the video.
It really subverted my expectations
A surprise, but... the sort of surprise that I'm not totally dissatisfied with, to be sure.
Who gives a shit?
My surprise is that now I think Rian´s a better movie director, may want to check Knives Out now.
Love how people call the sequels unoriginal and then critiscize when Luke does something he has never done before
>Implying you can only be original if you're also stupid
My issue with new force powers for starwars characters is they can create problems with the preceeding trilogies. Like if rey can force heal, thats possible in this universe, why didnt luke just heal vadar in empire. Or better yet why did he even need the suit? Sheev could have healed him from his lava burns. I wanted the new triolgy to be original but not break continuity. There a a million examples of the new films doing this and thats why people are upset, with them i think. Another example is the use of the light speed as a weapon. Like that makes episodes 4,6, and 9 make no sense. Why couldnt they just do that to destroy the death stars?
@@mementomori9189 the healing could be a specific ability for some Jedi, like not every sith can use lightning or not every Jedi can use mind tricks
@@sillygoose2878 what jedi cant do mind tricks? And which sith cant use lightning? Some jedi just so happen to have this new special ability that works perfectly to advance the plot. Gay.
@@mementomori9189 oh I don’t know perhaps the two most iconic sith ever, maul and Vader
Wow, that hallway gag at 7:44 aged like a fine wine.
The bit about Snoke's Quinceanera nearly killed me. Well done.
I unironically think it would have been a better film had it gone that route
(Or maybe an outtake lmfao)
K C wait really?
Hilarious
RogelioDelaToro snoke has about as much development as palpatine in the OT, and if those movies are sacrosanct I don’t understand why it’s a problem here.
@@Ballislife32 The movie wasn't about Snoke. Every single movie has characters that we don't get backstory on.
Star Trek fan here... I remember watching TLJ, with my Trekkie partner, and walking out of the threatre feeling and hearing the hatred of the longtime fans around us. That didn't stop us from talking about TLJ for several hours afterwards. It had interesting things to delve into and held up on a second watching.
Wow Star Trek fans enjoy Star Wars more than Star Wars fans do,
ironic
@@succerberg84 it does play out like 3 or 4 episodes of star trek happening simultaniously.
@@whyor3619 it actually does. That's the thing, Ryan Johnson is a very authoral director/writer, so this movie seems to be made as an stand-alone movie, one that is made to work by itself, and i can see how it could be an interesting watch, seeing it without caring about any baggage. What ruins it is that it was supposed to be the middle part of a trilogy, so, what happened before and what will happen later kind of matters, alot.
@@Rihcterwilker As a reply, I feel even trilogies of movies need to stand on their own enough, and really only use the plot that came before to tie them together. When done that way, you get much better storytelling cause you wrap up each movie and themes through the 3 act structure the correct way, while leaving it open enough for the next movie.
@@succerberg84 yes we do. we like Star wars and we don't hate 70% of star trek stuff like other fandom cof cof
great video
I have genuinely had an argument with a guy who claimed The Last Jedi was the was the least successful Star Wars movie because it was too 'woke' and how it's ruining media... I don't even know man
You skipped over that casino area of episode 8 really hard tho.
Misumi Kaminari even the people who like the film skip that scene hard as F U C K
That’s just beating a dead horse
The whole film should have just skipped that part
@Geralt of Trivia it was 11 minutes sure, but it was a nearly un necessary 11 minutes, i was a little funny and could be comedic relief, but why relieve tension being built by the rebels slowly flying away from the super huge destroyer? Its very out of place, and almost didnt belong in the movie at all.
@Geralt of Trivia and my point wasnt "the movie was ruined by this"
My point was "hey, youtube guy who made this, you did not address this string of scenes in the film that i viewed as very unimportant, where you claimed and shown the importance of the rest of the film."
So we are both on the same side, i just wanted him to address the needlessly created paralells to our society in a movie thats supposed to be timeless, but will lose its timelessness by relating to a timeframe in our current state of country.
I felt that TLJ was the most personal episode of this trilogy. I think that had Johnson directed all three films it would have been a better trilogy than had Abrams done all three.
Even though I can easily complain about things I didn't like in TLJ, I agree. After seeing TROS i just wish Finns part wouldn't have been so shit in TLJ because it really brought the movie down (and I believe thats what caused a lot of negativity towards it). And it would have to change a lot of the movie but I would've liked Finn and Poe to spend more time with each other.
Nope, if rian had directed the third act he'd realise the corner he put himself in with tlj, that was my favorite thing about tlj, asking fans of that movie if their syched for nine, 10 out of 10 said "what?" No matter what happened the third act was gonna be shit, it's why I respect Irvin Kershner, the guy was considerate of his peers and left many interesting threads to work on in rotj, and while return of the jedi was a mixed bag it had the potential to be great, with tros it's shit if they do and shit if they don't
@@ravenwhiteduck3158 Rian left Kylo Ren in a fantastic position, killed the mans who was using him and set him up to be the main villain in episode 9 only for JJ to go the fan service route and bring back Palpatine. Also Irvin Kershner wasn't behind empires story that was still Goerge Lucas.
To be fair, in 7, JJ wrote Ryan into a corner. Ryan was forced to write off of the cliffhanger of Rey training with Luke, so Ryan tried to do his best to be creative. Irvin made (at least what I, and many others believe as) the best Star Wars movie, he had a lot more room for creativity. A New Hope was just called “Star Wars.” A sequel wasn’t the goal. A good movie was the goal, so a sequel just needed to be a good movie. I have my problems with TLJ, but Ryan tried to make a good movie, and I think he succeeded. I think there’s a difference between making a good movie and a good Star Wars movie, and I think TLJ is just an okay Star Wars movie. But in the words of Major Monogram from Phineas and Ferb, “I blame the internet.”
Isaiah Davis %100 agree
This dude saying his show is pointless cos this been talked to death, yet within the first five minutes he’s taught me shit loads about SW and it’s history. Keep goin mah dude
That's some remarkably fresh air I'm getting, what a pleasant thing.
I feel in this movie, it's solidified that Luke really is Yoda's successor , maybe even surpassing him. He became the strongest Jedi in history ,not just by the projection but the way he greeted death like an old friend,in his own terms instead of getting slaughtered by some guy(even if it's his nephew).
@Lionard Kirsch He didn't become the greatest Jedi ever, for that. We've seen Jedi in the past refuse to kill, even in the prequels. That's the Jedi way, yk.
@Lionard Kirsch You mean by getting killed, for no reason? Him dying wouldn't have solved a thing, but ok... And George enjoyed TLJ, so...
@Lionard Kirsch You think Luke would have just force nuked an entire Armada? Obi-Wan dying that way had more significance, because he LET himself die, in order to show Luke the way of the force. Luke dying there would be pointless and insignificant. By stalling Ben (and not engaging in combat, yk, the entire point of his arc in RotJ), he gave the resistance time to escape, as well as instill hope, passing the mantle to Rey.
@Lionard Kirsch Not really. He would've gotten owned, pretty quick. Luke got to go out on his own terms, and not bring coerced by some petty child.
@Lionard Kirsch And so you just answered your own question. Luke didn't play into Ben's game. And Obi-Wan also died on his own terms. He allowed himself to be killed in front of Luke, to show how the force worked. If Luke had just died on the battlefield, how would that inspire hope in the people? They could barely see what was happening, nor could they hear the conversation. But, Leia assured them that Luke was at peace, and he died peacefully. Is Yoda a coward? By your logic, he is. He ran, and hid on a planet, as well. But, he inspired hope in Luke, as Luke did for Rey.
7:42 FUNNY YOU SHOULD MENTION THAT!
For what it's worth, I think it could be pretty simple to headcanon Ep 8 as the ending of the Sequel Saga, considering all the arcs that're wrapped up with it. The First Order still existing could just be viewed as "the struggles of the future" that will never prevail, thanks to lessons learned today, etc.
ROTS might be rough, but at least it's not like latter seasons of GoT, which are intraveneously bound with the higher quality seasons that came before.
It's far easier to headcanon the entire sequel trilogy as non-canon.
Not yet my child we haven't even got to my quinceanera yet
Best line
I don't think it's fair to say that Star Wars fans aren't open to subversive interpretations to Star Wars. KOTOR 2 is one of the most beloved extensions of the Star Wars universe and is very subversive.
SO true. And why? Because it featured excellent characters, told a good Story AND respectfully added cool stuff to the SW universe. The exact opposite to TLJ.
This should be emphasized. This has always been an excuse that Star Wars fans can't be please, but honestly, I don't think that's true. I think the movies past the first three have just been varying degrees of bad and so we're not happy with them. When good stuff comes out (like The Mandalorian) people just shut up and praise it.
@@valiantparagonvideos2383 The mandalorian aint that good when compared with movie standards, though, it´s just that since we have to give it TV series standards we are going to have to lower our expectations and the art at the end looks great.
@@sebas8225 Saying a TV series isn't as good as a Movie isn't saying much, except in this case The Mandalorian IS better then TLJ.
Why? Because it's quintessential Star Wars.
@Sebas G if you want movie level of standars watch clone wars. The tv series for kids that actually made people love the prequels and exploited most of that trashcan in a pretty good way. Hell even stuff like giving anakin an apprentice (something hated on arrival) was taken as a good thing in the end. You can please the fans....you just don t have to screw up.
I love this movie so much. It's kinda weird that the 9th Episode was never released though.
I don't quite get why Star Wars 9 just didn't happen. Probably something weird with the production, but a little sad we'll never see it. Still, 8 is a fitting end to the series in its own right
@@jackhurds6157 I’m kind of relieved it never released.
Yeah, it's so weird that this is called the sequel trilogy when there are only two movies.
Fun fact: some fan fiction writers tried to make an episode 9. It's called the Rise of Skywalker and it's hilariously awful
Wow lots of toxic fans in this thread. You manbabies need a guide to TROS it seems
Thanks for a deep, insightful review. You’ve given me much to ponder and have shown me a different perspective.
we haven't even got to my quincinera yet...
I personally feel like only one third of the film is good: the Rey and Ben part. They bring interesting ideas to the force and rise certain questions about the past and the future. However the other two thirds, Finn and Poe's stories, aren't very well put together and just seem like vague ideas about what they wanted to do slapped in there for the sake of being their.
Play kotor 2,it's that part but done better and with actual characters
I do enjoy the interesting part of Luke force projecting across the galaxy
Thank you! Most of the movie is meh (if you disregard canon) but I really wanted the Rey and Kylo plot to go somewhere, not like they're in love, but like Rey actually joins Kylo. She had a lot of reasons too but it felt like that didn't happen because Disney wouldn't let it.
In fact, Kylo Ren's arc is probably the highlight of the movie (to the point of being almost incredibly good), I just think they made some bad decisions in setting up his arc (i.e. Snoke turns into an idiot for a single scene and gets killed because of it despite the fact Snoke is clearly brilliant, probably even smarter and more dangerous than Palpatine ever was).
This is a pretty fair perspective. I personally think it's mostly just Poe's plot that feels "wrong". Finn and Rose's plot feels oddly like a metaphor for Disney itself if you look hard enough and I think I appreciate it in that way
This video didnt mention the elephant in the room. The god damn starship chase in space and no one is using their god damn hyperdrives. Its like they wanted to copy Battlestar Galactica but failed.
I deadass thought the force awakens riot was real.
13:19 Honestly, all of Kylo's character being defined by the Force yanking him back and forth between Light and Dark makes me wosh his arc had ended with him giving up lightsabering altogether and retired to live a quiet life on a farm or something. I want him to find himself, and be closer to a monk or something. Deciding which side to be a warrior for, but for real this time, never could have been a satisfying ending for him. I want him to give it all up and find himself. All he's ever cared about is power - Sith powers, Light powers, control of the first order. Who is *He* without that?
Just read your “my butt created the universe” book. Very thought provoking!
I love how it goes into the depths of the nature of human thought, and as an extension life itself...all while juxtaposing the simplicity and the complexity of the universe.....
I guess I’ll stop now.
I always interpreted what Obi Wan said as apotheosis. If you kill me, I will become a monolithic idea in luke's head. And you cannot destroy an idea.
I can see what you mean on that one, but when he says “I cannot interfere.” I get the idea he has some power over the mortal world.
Of course. Ideas have the most power over the mortal world. Millions of people all over the world die for ideas every century.
Jena Felix
Well now we do know he definitely has power over the mortal world in some sense, seeing as Yoda could control a lightning bolt.
That’s a great idea I never thought of it
My opinion on the Last Jedi: it’s not a perfect movie. But in all honesty, none of the Star Wars films are perfect films. They all have tonal issues, and annoying humor characters, and plot holes, and weird fight scenes. They don’t need to be flawless. What made Star Wars good was fun characters and a story about good, evil, and balance. For me, there is no question, TLJ blows episode 7 & 9 completely out of the water and stands as the best film of the sequels. I think it stands on its own even against the prequels in some ways. And yeah, I absolutely hate the entire Casino fetch quest thing. It’s terrible. But like… EVERY SW movie has an annoying side quest that the film could do without. Every character feels richer in this movie than they ever do in 7 or 9. They have good arcs and have to work hard to change. This is the only movie where Rey isnt a Mary Sue :0. She has to realize she is not special and choose to do good anyway. Kylo’s arc is fantastic. So yeah. I like The Last Jedi. Best sequel film. Honestly, would have been an excellent direction to move forward with for the series. Fight me.
Thank you. I understand why some of the complaints against TLJ may seem big, but what matters is consistently with criticism sometimes. If Canto Bight was apparently the worst subplot ever made, what would that make Han and Leia hanging out with teddy bears in RotJ? An untouchable masterpiece? Cause it sure as hell wouldn't by these standards. You'd think Han would have some more things to say to Lando after he betrayed them and allowed the badguys to torture him instead of just instantly forgiving Calrissian after the Jabba rescue. I've seen many shows aimed for kids that have done the whole friend must forgive other friend after a big oopsy better than RotJ.
And even very basic things that make movies in general good are way more shaky in RotJ then they are in TLJ. Half the cast is clearly not putting their best in when it comes to the acting, some of the effects look pretty dodgy, and at points they even reuse an entire set of establishing shots from the original for RotJ instead of shooting new scenes.
@@pacman5698 yea I think the Mandalorian season 2 has too much fan service
Every Star Wars movie has annoying humor, plot holes, and annoying sidequests? Um... could you give examples? Also wdym Rey realizes she isn't special? Sure, she finds out her parents are "nobodies", but that's only significant in a meta context. Doesn't make Rey not special, she's still insanely strong in the Force while having virtually no training.
@@warmishtrash6046 Return of the Jedi. Like, if one takes off nostalgia goggles, the only thing in that movie that comes close to the greatness of Empire is the stuff with Luke, Vader, and the Emperor. The Jabba stuff could have ended with the Rancor. Han, Lando, and Leia are bumbling around and don't have much to do aside from provide action scenes, and of course, the Ewoks...
Also almost everything regarding Obi-Wan in AotC (there's a fan edit where Jango's henchwoman just tells the two to go to Kamino so that there's no pointless detour to the fifties diner) and Obi-Wan vs Grievous in RotS is just there to pad time while the better stuff with Anakin and Palpatine takes place.
Also, if you need to know about "potholes" just look up HISHE videos on Star Wars. In just the first movie alone, Leia is a complete dumbass for knowingly leading the Empire to the rebel base knowing full well the Falcon was being tracked. That's because Marcia and her editing team changed the climax at the last minute so that the Death Star was going to fire on the rebel base instead of just floating there waiting to be destroyed. They didn't remember to remove her earlier line about being tracked.
@@pacman5698 Episode 6 is definitely the weakest in the OT but I'm not sure I would call anything in the film an annoying sidequest, but I could be wrong considering how long it's been since I've seen it. Either way nothing in RotJ is nearly as bad as Kanto Bight, or any of the other garbage writing in TLJ. Also why do you assume I have nostalgia for episode 6? The prequels and Lego Star Wars are really the only things I have nostalgia for lol
And maybe Empire as well to an extent
Wow, this scene in 7:47 is exactly like ending of mandalorian season 2. Was it written before or after it came out? Cos either way you were right - that was exactly what those fans wanted
This was written before.
Mandalorian season 2 came out in late 2020, where as this video came out in december of 2019
I still just wanna know why he left a map if he didn't want to be found 🤷♂️
he didnt, they assumed he was at the first jedi temple.
That was Lor San Tekka
@@cubearts1 But he did... that's why there was an orange ligne that show the road he took...
@@cubearts1 one of the leaks for the new movie... is going back to suggest that he was going there to find something... so if that does come up, then it is true that the last jedi did sink the ship
It’s not super important, it is annoying I agree but it’s not extremely important to this story. Like maz having the lightsaber, it would be cool to know what happened but it doesn’t really matter in the larger story.
It feels good to finally hear all this laid out.. I left the cinema IN LOVE with the Last Jedi and slowly realised in the following weeks that I was in the minority.
Darth Azog it literally makes u feel like you’re living in an alternate dimension the way some of these people talk about the film. TLJ rules and they can’t accept that the film questioned their ideas of fandom
Then did you guys hated the other star wars movies then?
@@kanalkucker14 I personally love all of them, just because I love the last Jedi doesn't mean I have to hate something in return. I see the value and quality in all of them as separate films.
I agree! I dont really care if people hated it or not. Just as long I know I had a good time watching it.
Of course I don't forbid you to like the movie, this is not what critics of it want to do. I'm just curious since I feel TLJ is inferior to Prequels and Original Triology alike. So guys just tell me, do you feel VII and VIII have a good plot line? Has Rian Johnson followed up on VII well?
Chances are those people who criticized the Prequels back then are critically *_NOT_* the same ones who criticize the Sequels and especially VIII now. I believe Sequels haters are a younger generation, many of whom grew up with the Prequels and love them… and some are incapable of recognizing their flaws. It’s not incoherence, it’s just two groups of haters from two different time periods.
so 7:45 was outright prophetic, turns out
Truly lives up to its name of "too late, who gives a shit?": a video about something I didn't care to see a video about but ended up appreciating it!