At last someone that has actually watched Darnold in the last 3 years!!! Remember also that Sam is only 27. Kirk was 30 when he arrived at the Vikes. Darnold was very efficient in the Ravens game, and the week 18 game vs the Rams. Sam actually had a very strong finish to the 2022 season, inheriting a 3-8 Panthers team from Baker, and finishing 4-2 and almost got the Panthers into the playoffs. Darnold had Brady and Evans pulling out record breaking performances to hold the Panthers out.
In Darnolds' first 4 years in the NFL he started 50 games. In those games he was sacked 133 times, then add in how many times he was pressured. There are few starting NFL QB's that would do well in that situation. He will be just fine as QB #1 in Minnesota.
Reminds me a bit of David Carr's doomed NFL experience with the Texans. The only difference is that at least Sam could run away from the Defenses and even make a play or two on the run so he wasn't ruined mentally like David was where HE was a human pinata.
@@oel734 Truly sorry, my bad. I always spell words incorrectly, so that wasn't the first time...won't be the last no matter how hard I try. And as people have been spelling my actual name wrong my entire life, I usually don't get affected by misspelled words/names...that's life.
Sam is a vet. He had a few crappy teams. He learned a lot in SF when he was on a good team. Let JJ sit and learn. Look at the success GB has had. Don't throw JJ in too quickly.
Josh Allen was fortunate to go to a team with a good new coach and gm, but had a terrible o-line and no weapons to throw to his first two years. Not quite the same as Lamar and Mahomes situations
Putting the situations of Lamar and Mahomes in the same sentence is funny. Lamar MADE his situation, Mahomes was blessed with sitting for a year in an Andy Reid system with Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill to get the ball to. Lamar’s situtation pales in comparison.
Lamar went to a tram with John Harbaugh as the head coach. A veteran coach that had won a Super Bowl. He had a great offensive line and a good defense. I don't remember the receivers he had, but he utilizes tight ends way more anyway and he had two good tight ends. His situation was a lot closer to Mahomes' situation than it was to Allen's
A Cup of Coffee in the NFC West? Funny how Rich neglects his time in Carolina but I guess that would destroy his "Baker Mayfield admiration society" kick he had going on here.
Hmmmm somehow the Jets starting Sam as the youngest QB in NFL history was somehow going to help the Jets win with a poor OL, bad skill position players and mediocre coaching at best. Amazing how that didn’t work out!
Best case scenario: Darnold balls through week 8 and McCarthy forces his way into starting role due to readiness. Trade a starting caliber Darnold to a QB needy team for high draft picks.
Let the rookie QB sit back for a year. The Packers do it all the time. KC did it. It's not like the Vikings are gonna be any better than they did last year
@@pmc1727top 10 defense that got better Top 10 weapons on offense. Top 15 pass blocking line. The North isn't decided. There could be a lot of games traded this year. All falls on if Darnold falls apart under pressure or not on whether they are competitive.
KOC seemed to do pretty well with Dobbs and Mullens - I'm sure he'll cope with Darnold. What KOC did with Cousins will probably look pretty good soon when the Falcons find out that they've bought a lemon.
@@pmc1727 Sam Darnold in 4 games vs the Bears, Lions and Packers: 7 TDs 1 INT 942 passing yards 110.42 passer rating At least he has a history of playing well against them. Yes, he's 2-4 record-wise but remember the teams (franchises) he was on.
I lost all respect for Albert when his take on Josh Mcdaniel's coaching performance with the Raiders was all on the Raiders player level talent and not that Josh is actually not a very good head coach, it was a stupid take when he said it out loud and it's aged even worse (he's kind of a hack) he's likable and seems friendly but 50% of his "insider takes" are terrible
Watch the game and you might see what he saw. Then watch his start vs the Rams, Then watch him finish the 2022 season with the Panthers. If you actually analyse the games instead of living on tired old Jets takes you may notice that Sam has continued to learn and develop. Don't be surprised if the Vikes start 4-0 and have all the experts back tracking.
Sam had a ruff rookie year with the pitiful jets ....three years of crap to start his career...he is a vet now with experience ...college he had 39 tds 8 ints we need nice ball security from him and everything will be alright ....
If he fails, it will be epic. Shanahan last year. KOC, McCown, and now Palmer this year. Jefferson, Addison, Tanyan, Hock, A Jones/Chandler/Aikers Top 15 pass blocking line. He's in about the best situation a qb could ask for coming in, just about ever.
If he fails, he will have no one to blame but himself. Up to this point, it's been the Jets, Panthers (first season), and him not getting to start for the Niners (aside from one game). Now he's starting, has all the weapons to throw to, has the coaching. Put Up or Shut Up time, Mr. Darnold.
@@oel734 exactly, but he hasn't been vocal. He's been shutting up this whole time. He wants it, that's for sure. I'm just worried about when he has 300 lb men chasing him.
@@user-yc6pt6wu7o Well he's no Michael Vick (football-wise) but he's no David Carr either. He can more often than not run for his life and even make some plays on the run.
@@oel734 well, if you're referencing the Jets and Panthers, you're taking his experience from the worst two teams in the league. He's had nothing but top notch coaching since where he had none from those two dumpster fires.
I think that Sam Darnold has the ability to be a stable quarterback..and has a good scrambling ability a strong arm and the brain 🧠 to make things interesting.. he did look really good in the 49rs offensive scheme and he is going to have to learn the different ways to call koc's offense.. the 49rs and vikings offensive schemes are very similar a lot of motion.. different packages shotgun formation and now rpo.. and Jones and Akers will help take some weight off his shoulders as we need to be able to establish the run game and be more balanced than the previous two years.. we want to get Justin the ball and Addison but forcing it all the time is so predictable that I'm willing to bet that they are changing things around to become more 2 dimensional instead of 1
JJ is soon going to find out that there's a difference between a 70% passer and a 60% passer. And he's going to realize he cannot make up the 10% even with his skills.
By all accounts Sam Darnold seems like a good guy and a good teammate. However he is way too inconsistent. In his last year in college he had more turnovers than anyone else in the country. I beileve one of his first pass attempts his rookie year in the NFL resulted in a pic 6. There is no reason to think it will be any different now. McCarthy will be the starter in Minnesota sooner than later this season. Darnold is a back up and nothing more.
I think it's safe to assume that Darnold's inconsistency is due to a lack of weapons and poor offensive lines throughout his career, rather than him as a player. And if we're going to bring up college days (which for Sam was 7 years ago) McCarthy threw for over 300 yds just once in his last season of college. In Sam's last season of college he threw for over 300 yds 8 times. Minnesota is a pass heavy offense, and to ask a rookie to effectively run an NFL caliber pass heavy offense when they were in a run heavy system in college is flat out unrealistic and unfair to the player's development. Let's not be impatient, best case Sam starts the whole year and JJ. starts next year.
The nfl is a now league who to say the vikings Owner ship going resign koc or the gm so lets be upfront about the vikings then have some good player but i wouldng be shocked if the end up being last in the nfc north so then do we resign koc and Kwesi Adofo-Mensah then have done nothing one good season running back with zimmer and traders ricks team
Geno Smith took 10 years to be adequate. Sam has reached that level already. He managed to go 8-9 with the Panthers. Baker went 1-6 then won the division with the Bucs the next year, including a win over the Vikes. Bryce Young went 2-15 with the same team. Geno might be flat to win 5 or 6 games if he was playing for the Panthers. It's easy to get locked into cliched takes.
@@robe2504 Here's something else to chew on, robe : What is the Jets record without Sam at QB? Horrific, right? With Sam, they were just bad. So in that regard, Sam made chicken salad out of chicken sh-t and there was plenty of the latter that he couldn't make it totally salad.
Sam Darnold will have a long career in the NFL as a back up. But he will never be a starting caliber QB for a team that has playoff ambitions. Sorry Vikes fans, I see a 5-7 win season this transition year, battling the Bears for last place in the NFC North.
Kirk knows he will never be remembered for success, the only thing he has is his ability to pull money out of owner’s hands so he went wherever he would be paid most, nothing else mattered and it secures his legacy as among the most overpaid mid qb’s of all time
He never had success? Look how many seasons he was a starting QB in the NFL? How many mid level QBs pass as well as him? He lead a team with nothing on defense to a division title. Not many have done that.
@jamesmerritt3267 The bar needs to be higher than one playoff win in all those years. That's not good enough. It's about winning playoffs and superbowls. Kirk fleeced the vikings. If I fail at my job, I get fired.
You’re the one who’s delusional. Situations matter in the NFL. If Albert Breer would’ve talked like this about Geno Smith two years ago, I guarantee you would have the same sentiment. Sam Darnold finally has a team around him and he will surprise many people this year with his play.
Well we're going to find out now that the excuses being made for him are gone. He has weapons surrounding him and he has Coaching. And HE'S STARTING (which is the most important) unlike in San Francisco. If he still fails, you can go right ahead and pat yourself on the back there, bud. But I don't think he will fail and will re-establish himself as a Starting QB in this league.
Well said, man. This is how I feel as well. Darnold went number 3 in the 2018 NFL draft for a reason. This dude has great arm talent and is very mobile as well. If people would’ve said that Geno Smith would have a breakout year two years ago, they would’ve been called crazy. Heck, if people would’ve said that Baker Mayfield would have a great year last year, some people would’ve called that statement obnoxious as well. After all, NFL is full of surprises every year. And I’m willing to bet that Sam Darnold will be the great surprise this year with his great play this upcoming season. I think Sam Darnold plays so well with the Vikings that he might become a pro bowler this season and potentially become the Vikings starters for years to come. Obviously the Vikings have JJ McCarthy, who I believe will get traded in a year or two.
Sam is a vet. He had a few crappy teams. He learned a lot in SF when he was on a good team. Let JJ sit and learn. Look at the success GB has had. Don't throw JJ in too quickly.
At last someone that has actually watched Darnold in the last 3 years!!! Remember also that Sam is only 27. Kirk was 30 when he arrived at the Vikes. Darnold was very efficient in the Ravens game, and the week 18 game vs the Rams. Sam actually had a very strong finish to the 2022 season, inheriting a 3-8 Panthers team from Baker, and finishing 4-2 and almost got the Panthers into the playoffs. Darnold had Brady and Evans pulling out record breaking performances to hold the Panthers out.
In Darnolds' first 4 years in the NFL he started 50 games. In those games he was sacked 133 times, then add in how many times he was pressured. There are few starting NFL QB's that would do well in that situation. He will be just fine as QB #1 in Minnesota.
Reminds me a bit of David Carr's doomed NFL experience with the Texans. The only difference is that at least Sam could run away from the Defenses and even make a play or two on the run so he wasn't ruined mentally like David was where HE was a human pinata.
It never occurred to me before that the NFC West is where AFC QBs go to rehab their careers
Donald, ball out this season, then we (Vikings fans) don't have to worry about starting a rookie at all this season.
Is it really that difficult to spell Sam's last name? D-A-R-N-O-L-D? Unless you think he's Donald Duck or something. lol
@@oel734 Truly sorry, my bad. I always spell words incorrectly, so that wasn't the first time...won't be the last no matter how hard I try. And as people have been spelling my actual name wrong my entire life, I usually don't get affected by misspelled words/names...that's life.
Sam is a vet. He had a few crappy teams. He learned a lot in SF when he was on a good team. Let JJ sit and learn. Look at the success GB has had. Don't throw JJ in too quickly.
Albert got some SUN on his face 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂 gotta love the player positivity
Josh Allen was fortunate to go to a team with a good new coach and gm, but had a terrible o-line and no weapons to throw to his first two years. Not quite the same as Lamar and Mahomes situations
yea idk how Josh situation was anything like the other 2 lmao. confused me a bit
Yea Albert is all over the place..Allen had a first time head coach who primary focus is defense.
Putting the situations of Lamar and Mahomes in the same sentence is funny. Lamar MADE his situation, Mahomes was blessed with sitting for a year in an Andy Reid system with Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill to get the ball to. Lamar’s situtation pales in comparison.
Lamar went to a tram with John Harbaugh as the head coach. A veteran coach that had won a Super Bowl. He had a great offensive line and a good defense. I don't remember the receivers he had, but he utilizes tight ends way more anyway and he had two good tight ends. His situation was a lot closer to Mahomes' situation than it was to Allen's
A Cup of Coffee in the NFC West? Funny how Rich neglects his time in Carolina but I guess that would destroy his "Baker Mayfield admiration society" kick he had going on here.
Situation is crucial to QBs, bad coaches and GMs don't want to admit it to cover their own asses but some of these guys are set up to fail
Played the last few min. Took a couple of sacks, one in RZ and a pick. I believe in Darnold though. Skol!
Andrew Luck got massively screwed over
Hmmmm somehow the Jets starting Sam as the youngest QB in NFL history was somehow going to help the Jets win with a poor OL, bad skill position players and mediocre coaching at best.
Amazing how that didn’t work out!
Burrow did, Bengals were terrible team before Joe Burrow joined them.
Texans too before CJ!
Hi. Gentlemen. Nice to see you !😊
Not much…keep the seat warm for 6 to 8 games before the rookie gets his shot.
Best case scenario: Darnold balls through week 8 and McCarthy forces his way into starting role due to readiness. Trade a starting caliber Darnold to a QB needy team for high draft picks.
IF Sam Darnold is 'balling out' there is 0% chance they replace him with a rookie mid-season.
Hopefully darnold plays great and jj can sit for 2 years. Then super bowl 2027
Let the rookie QB sit back for a year. The Packers do it all the time. KC did it. It's not like the Vikings are gonna be any better than they did last year
Darnold's time in SF has set him up to succeed. The question is can the Vikings make the best use of his talents?
Not this season. The NFC North is a buzzsaw
@pmc1727 I think alot of teams in the North are massively overrated. I may be wrong
@@pmc1727top 10 defense that got better
Top 10 weapons on offense.
Top 15 pass blocking line.
The North isn't decided. There could be a lot of games traded this year.
All falls on if Darnold falls apart under pressure or not on whether they are competitive.
KOC seemed to do pretty well with Dobbs and Mullens - I'm sure he'll cope with Darnold. What KOC did with Cousins will probably look pretty good soon when the Falcons find out that they've bought a lemon.
@@pmc1727 Sam Darnold in 4 games vs the Bears, Lions and Packers:
7 TDs
1 INT
942 passing yards
110.42 passer rating
At least he has a history of playing well against them. Yes, he's 2-4 record-wise but remember the teams (franchises) he was on.
Im sure Albert is smarter than talking about how a QB came in and played when the team was dowm 33-12.
I lost all respect for Albert when his take on Josh Mcdaniel's coaching performance with the Raiders was all on the Raiders player level talent and not that Josh is actually not a very good head coach, it was a stupid take when he said it out loud and it's aged even worse
(he's kind of a hack) he's likable and seems friendly but 50% of his "insider takes" are terrible
Watch the game and you might see what he saw. Then watch his start vs the Rams, Then watch him finish the 2022 season with the Panthers. If you actually analyse the games instead of living on tired old Jets takes you may notice that Sam has continued to learn and develop. Don't be surprised if the Vikes start 4-0 and have all the experts back tracking.
I'm sure you're smarter than talking as if you know more than Albert Geer.
Sam had a ruff rookie year with the pitiful jets ....three years of crap to start his career...he is a vet now with experience ...college he had 39 tds 8 ints we need nice ball security from him and everything will be alright ....
If he fails, it will be epic.
Shanahan last year. KOC, McCown, and now Palmer this year.
Jefferson, Addison, Tanyan, Hock, A Jones/Chandler/Aikers
Top 15 pass blocking line.
He's in about the best situation a qb could ask for coming in, just about ever.
If he fails, he will have no one to blame but himself.
Up to this point, it's been the Jets, Panthers (first season), and him not getting to start for the Niners (aside from one game).
Now he's starting, has all the weapons to throw to, has the coaching.
Put Up or Shut Up time, Mr. Darnold.
@@oel734 exactly, but he hasn't been vocal. He's been shutting up this whole time. He wants it, that's for sure. I'm just worried about when he has 300 lb men chasing him.
@@user-yc6pt6wu7o Well he's no Michael Vick (football-wise) but he's no David Carr either. He can more often than not run for his life and even make some plays on the run.
@@oel734 well, if you're referencing the Jets and Panthers, you're taking his experience from the worst two teams in the league. He's had nothing but top notch coaching since where he had none from those two dumpster fires.
Drew Brees made a comeback.
If Sam Darnold is the best qb on your team don't expect to win many games.
I think that Sam Darnold has the ability to be a stable quarterback..and has a good scrambling ability a strong arm and the brain 🧠 to make things interesting.. he did look really good in the 49rs offensive scheme and he is going to have to learn the different ways to call koc's offense.. the 49rs and vikings offensive schemes are very similar a lot of motion.. different packages shotgun formation and now rpo.. and Jones and Akers will help take some weight off his shoulders as we need to be able to establish the run game and be more balanced than the previous two years.. we want to get Justin the ball and Addison but forcing it all the time is so predictable that I'm willing to bet that they are changing things around to become more 2 dimensional instead of 1
He is just not a game day QB and with the 3 back ups there is no pressure to play McCarthy until he is ready
4-13.
Al needs to pony up, and buy a decent cooling system. He looks way too hot, while giving hot takes.😂
JJ is soon going to find out that there's a difference between a 70% passer and a 60% passer. And he's going to realize he cannot make up the 10% even with his skills.
Did Rich call Trump Hitler???
its crazy how Darnold still gets excuses for being bad.
It's crazy there are fans out there that can't see the forest from the trees. (oh hi there, fan)
By all accounts Sam Darnold seems like a good guy and a good teammate. However he is way too inconsistent. In his last year in college he had more turnovers than anyone else in the country. I beileve one of his first pass attempts his rookie year in the NFL resulted in a pic 6. There is no reason to think it will be any different now. McCarthy will be the starter in Minnesota sooner than later this season. Darnold is a back up and nothing more.
His first pass in a regular season NFL game was a pick 6, but then he had a pretty fantastic game bringing a W.
I think it's safe to assume that Darnold's inconsistency is due to a lack of weapons and poor offensive lines throughout his career, rather than him as a player. And if we're going to bring up college days (which for Sam was 7 years ago) McCarthy threw for over 300 yds just once in his last season of college. In Sam's last season of college he threw for over 300 yds 8 times. Minnesota is a pass heavy offense, and to ask a rookie to effectively run an NFL caliber pass heavy offense when they were in a run heavy system in college is flat out unrealistic and unfair to the player's development. Let's not be impatient, best case Sam starts the whole year and JJ. starts next year.
That was like 6 years ago. And if I’m not mistaken that jets team has been a mess for like 10 years plus
I think it could be better for him. He focused on the fundamentals the last few winters.
so he's Baker 2.0 an needs major seasoning and a HC to play to his strengths? Maybe!
Expect the same thing we’ve always seen. A guy who should be good and isn’t go to another team to collect another in-due contract for millions
The nfl is a now league who to say the vikings Owner ship going resign koc or the gm so lets be upfront about the vikings then have some good player but i wouldng be shocked if the end up being last in the nfc north so then do we resign koc and Kwesi Adofo-Mensah then have done nothing one good season running back with zimmer and traders ricks team
Incoherent
@@nnjjee1 More like "Holy Run-on sentence, batman!"
GSmith is better than SDarnold on most Sundays. SD is a career backup at best.
Nope
Geno Smith took 10 years to be adequate. Sam has reached that level already. He managed to go 8-9 with the Panthers. Baker went 1-6 then won the division with the Bucs the next year, including a win over the Vikes. Bryce Young went 2-15 with the same team. Geno might be flat to win 5 or 6 games if he was playing for the Panthers.
It's easy to get locked into cliched takes.
Geno also is a career backup lol
@@Jiff321- You’re right… and I’m a Geno fan.
@@robe2504 Here's something else to chew on, robe :
What is the Jets record without Sam at QB? Horrific, right?
With Sam, they were just bad.
So in that regard, Sam made chicken salad out of chicken sh-t and there was plenty of the latter that he couldn't make it totally salad.
Sam Darnold will have a long career in the NFL as a back up. But he will never be a starting caliber QB for a team that has playoff ambitions. Sorry Vikes fans, I see a 5-7 win season this transition year, battling the Bears for last place in the NFC North.
Don't be sorry. We're very happy to take the +800 division odds.
Bears are going to playoffs. Leaving the Vikqueens last.
Wait to till you realize Cousins made KOC and not the other way around...🤣🤣🤣
@@drbenway4 Now THIS is pure Delusion. Falcons are going to find out they signed a Lemon. 😏
Kirk knows he will never be remembered for success, the only thing he has is his ability to pull money out of owner’s hands so he went wherever he would be paid most, nothing else mattered and it secures his legacy as among the most overpaid mid qb’s of all time
He never had success? Look how many seasons he was a starting QB in the NFL? How many mid level QBs pass as well as him? He lead a team with nothing on defense to a division title. Not many have done that.
@jamesmerritt3267 The bar needs to be higher than one playoff win in all those years. That's not good enough. It's about winning playoffs and superbowls. Kirk fleeced the vikings. If I fail at my job, I get fired.
This is pure delusion. Darnold is a backup tier QB.
You’re the one who’s delusional. Situations matter in the NFL. If Albert Breer would’ve talked like this about Geno Smith two years ago, I guarantee you would have the same sentiment. Sam Darnold finally has a team around him and he will surprise many people this year with his play.
Well we're going to find out now that the excuses being made for him are gone.
He has weapons surrounding him and he has Coaching.
And HE'S STARTING (which is the most important) unlike in San Francisco.
If he still fails, you can go right ahead and pat yourself on the back there, bud.
But I don't think he will fail and will re-establish himself as a Starting QB in this league.
Well said, man. This is how I feel as well. Darnold went number 3 in the 2018 NFL draft for a reason. This dude has great arm talent and is very mobile as well. If people would’ve said that Geno Smith would have a breakout year two years ago, they would’ve been called crazy. Heck, if people would’ve said that Baker Mayfield would have a great year last year, some people would’ve called that statement obnoxious as well. After all, NFL is full of surprises every year. And I’m willing to bet that Sam Darnold will be the great surprise this year with his great play this upcoming season. I think Sam Darnold plays so well with the Vikings that he might become a pro bowler this season and potentially become the Vikings starters for years to come. Obviously the Vikings have JJ McCarthy, who I believe will get traded in a year or two.
Sam Darnold = Last place!
Sam is a vet. He had a few crappy teams. He learned a lot in SF when he was on a good team. Let JJ sit and learn. Look at the success GB has had. Don't throw JJ in too quickly.