I wince when I see this. Regardless of your politics, Charelton Heston was a gentleman, allowed for the interview and was duped by Michael Moore, who came under false pretenses and sucker punched Mr. Heston. I side with most of Michael Moore's opinions, and I think he's a wonderful filmmaker, but this is shameful. (Charelton Heston, like him or not, was always up front about his beliefs and would never stoop as low as Michael Moore did here.)
Heston was also soon diagnosed with Alzheimers soon after this intervies, so I kind of feel it was morally wrong for Moore to exploit him in this interview
Terrence Daugherty I dont see how any of his views hold any sort of weight whatsoever. Moore is a pussy through and through, talentless, sick son of a bitch
I love that Michael Moore had to insert that shot of himself righteously holding the picture of that girl at 6:31. There is no camera man in front of him to do it when he is walking up to Heston. Also, because I know how editing is done, I know the sounds from the insert shot are being played over the shot of Heston walking away. I.e. The "please don't leave/look at her." Almost as if Moore is manipulating it to be more dramatic and himself more heroic. Pretty weak stuff.
Running away like a bitch? More like "GTFO off my property you fat grabasstic piece of amphibian shit and don't come back", and Fat Mikey really doesn't give a fuck about Flint unless he can make money off it, some hero
Have you seen FahrenHYPE 911? The "response film" (hosted by Ron Silver) made to Moores Fahrenheit 9-11? Watch it, you will see justhow rotten Moore is.
Why do you have weapons at home if you have never been assaulted? It's like asking why you have smoke detectors and fire extinguishers at home if you've never had a fire
There's plenty of countries where people aren't expected to have weapons at home though. Pretty much every "normal" household has a stove, microwave, or some other entity capable of causing a fire.
How incredibly disrespectful. Heston agrees to give an interview and Moor relentlessly harasses him on his property. I would have trouble ever forgiving him.
What's even more disrespectful was when Heston went to towns to brag and show off those guns that are the same weapons that were used to murder kids in those towns.
Okay well.. Michael had a valid point with the showing up for a gun rally right after a shooting and all. I get that. But taking out a picture of the girl who died and leaving it on his property was a little much. It’s not like he killed that girl.
Showing up for a gun rally? The two "gun rallies" were the annual NRA shareholders meeting that couldn't be changed (they did drop all the exhibits) and then a GOTV rally some eight months later. Hardly
@@SelectiveApathy82 he doesn't have to acknowledge anything. Michael Moore was just out there to like a tool trying to put blame people who have nothing to do with the girl.
@@alexitorico6686 he shouldn't have even showed a slight sign of remorse that a 6 year old was shot and killed by a 6 year old boy?? Hell, I was absolutely shocked and depressed when I first heard that story. Guess Heston was just an emotionless fucking robot. Fuck him.
I agree that we need better background checks for guns, but I hate what Michael Moore did to Charleston Heston here. Charlton Heston had alzheimers at the time this film was made, and it as not fair to do this to him when he was so vulnerable.
His mind was there. He knew what Moore was talking about. He knew what he was. eing confronted with. Thatz WHY he got up and walked away. I have a grandfather with Alzheimer's and I'm watching him lose himself more each day. But he has his very clear moments. Heston wasnt very impacted by it at this point. He was able to be held to account. I empathize with practically everyone. Even the worst of people, on some micro level. I try to understand human instincts, impulses, and what leads to bad actions. Hestons gross offenses came down to money in his pocket. I'm unable to empathize with already well off people who hurt other people just to add to their bank accounts.
@@jollyroger6135 yes. I mean, almost all interviews are. And I'm aware of the tricks they use to make the interviewee look bad or to look as if they implied something they didnt. I guess I could be jumping to conclusions about an interview without having ever watched the full unedited version. What specifically do you think I've missed? Like symptoms of his illness or a better reaction and answer to the questions posed to him than what was shown?
Wait a minute. When he pulls out the picture of the girl we allegedly see Heston walking away from the picture. We have two shots, one in front of Michael Moore, one behind Michael Moore. Both angles are closer to Moore’s left arm. The video angles go back and forth but at no point do we see the two cameramen. Not only that but the front shot of Michael Moore looks really awkward like, oh I don’t know... like he’s talking to himself and Mr. Heston is long gone.
This was 18 years ago but when this was released there was controversy about this scene, because apparently Heston never saw the picture of the girl, yet they edited it in such a way that it looks like Heston is walking away after watching the photo. This NEVER happened. If you notice this after a first viewing, then you have a good eye for the truth.
@@VicenzoV Unfortunately I did not notice this after first viewing. I was only a teenager at the time and was sold on it's ideas. I'm very different now.
@Akshay Natu You are saying that a man is guilty of what you think that he would have done it, not something that he actually did. Nice "Minority Report Logic" there.
@Akshay Natu Common sense and rationality are completely different from preconceived notions and clairvoyance. You are accusing Heston of something that you "think" that he would have done it, if Moore showed the photo, not something that he actually did it. BTW, save you condescending tone to another person. I am not your f-king son.
@@SelectiveApathy82 He did not. The point that Moore raised: why Canada has less arms killings if both USA and Canada has lots of arms in circulation was not explored in depth.
@@felipesimoes1699 It's because the US is a far more ethnically diverse melting pot than Canada. When you have lots of different races, with different cultures and interests that don't like each other crammed together in big cities, of course there's going to be more unrest/tension/violence than a mostly homogenous country.
@@felipesimoes1699 Heston could not dive into the whole race thing, but it's true. The statistics haven't changed since he's been dead. 13% of the population commits over 50% of all violent crime.
Whats interesting about this interview is that both Heston and Moore think that gun violence is an issue with American culture rather than number of guns.
it's got nothing to do with the number of guns it has to do with things like RESPECT an armed society is a polite society, kids are NOT taught GUN SAFETY in school nor in the home Guns are Made the bogeyman, the "problem", something to be afraid of. A gun in the table is NOT going to suddenly rise up and start shooting people. it is a tool, like a hammer it is the person using it that has the issues. A gun in the hand of a 97 pound *well trained* woman will stop rape in one shot. (double tap to make sure)
Agreed, I grew up in a rural area, "Gun Culture" was very big. I learned to shoot before I was ten and proper gun safety was second nature. I was on the school shooting team and taught safety and marksmanship. Yep, most kids in my high school had a rife or shotgun in their truck... And guess what? We NEVER had a problem with school shooting s or any kind of Gun violence. Then again most of the teachers were vets who were armed. Ever notice how gun violence only started occurring AFTER the push to villify gun control gained more support.
Lol, why didn't Michael Moore go to the house of the six year old's guardians and guilt trip them about how they irresponsibly left a fucking gun with around with easy access KNOWING there is a child in the house? But yea, it's all Heston's fault.
I agree with you: Moore was barking at the wrong tree and I surmise that tragedy in Flint was caused by lack of parental guidance to put it mildly. That Heston interview segment by Moore wasn’t well conducted at all and was exploitative at best. Moore should have investigated the Flint shooter’s parents and family life conditions i.e. the root cause of the problem, instead of trying to corner an aging actor. He chose the easy and spectacular route; it was a disingenuous move IMO.
@@cesarmedina7080 When someone tells you a little boy stole a gun and shot a little girl dead (and you hadn't heard about it yet), a normal, sane person reacts with some shock, widens their eyes, goes "Oh my god that's absolutely tragic/terrible/heartbreaking!" or something along those lines. Heston did none of that. Just arched his eyebrows a bit and looked away. The guy was made of cold fucking stone.
@@SelectiveApathy82 men women and children die every day in the world. Why doesn't everybody just hang their heads in shame and cry for them? When cults all commit ritual suicide drinking poisoned Kool aid how can Kool aid continue on knowing their product was used for a fruity drink death punch? They should be ashamed. See how easy it is to feign outrage? You can't control people, people make their own decision, if that kid didn't take that gun what would of been the thing he took? A knife? A sword?
This is disgusting. Michael purposely tried to antagonize and argue with Mr Heston from the start. How is he to blame or how should he be expected to apologize for an incident of which he isn’t responsible for in anyway. It’s important to rally in places where tragedy has taken place so the democrats don’t take advantage of it to make more gun laws. Which is all it’s about. Nothing to do with them caring about the victim or victims family. Disgusting to use it for political gain. That’s something to apologize for
The guy had Alzheimer's at the time. It was a low blow to do an interview on a person who was not in their right mind. Regardless of opinion it was no reason to do it. Moore is actually the bigger asshole here.
@@davidlindsay9564 Look at his reaction when Moore mentions the 6 year old boy killing the 6 year old girl. He just goes "Yeah......yeah", and just arches his eyebrows like such a horrific thing is no big deal to him. That should tell you all you need to know about Heston's character.
@@SelectiveApathy82 ...seeing as it's Michael Moore, if he'd said "thats sad" Moore would have spun it as "Heston breaks down and admits the error of his ways" or some other BS. He, even in his compromised state is too savvy to fall for Moore's nonsense. What does the shooting have to do with Heston? NOTHING. He went after Dick Clark in a similar way and he too wasn't having any of it. Clark owns a restaurant that gave the girl a job, he benefited her life. So how is anything in anyway, HIS fault? Its not. It is the mom and her thug brother. Its sad when things happen, but playing on peoples emotions with anecdotal stories for entertainment and political motives makes Moore the real POS. You can be rest assured Heston has done more for the good of mankind than Moore has.
@@evilcowboy I agree. By far. Even in his compromised state. Heston could smell a rat, and his instincts kicked in and he wasn't having any of it. I love how Dick Clark shuts Moore down.
It is obvious that this man was very ill at the time and Moore taunted him. He was a very decent guy to allow him the interview. I don't agree with Heston's political choices but his wife, Lydia, has said that it was probably Heston's terrible mistake to allow the NRA to take over his life. You can see the fire in her eyes when she speaks of it in their interview together after he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's.
This interview took place just a few years before Charlton Heston died. At that time, his health was deteriorating and he was battling dementia. You can easily tell by how incoherent Charlton is during the interview. A younger and healthier Charlton Heston definitely would have stood up for himself better during Moore's vicious criticism of him .
He seemed competent enough to me, even to the point where he began to enter racial territory, he quickly backed off, knowing that would get him into hot water. I think his faculties were there well enough for this interview. I think he legitimately knew he was on the wrong side of that discussion and so he got up and walked out before he made a fool of himself further. Lots of people just go through life without ever being asked the hard questions. And this is the normal sort of reaction when it eventually happens.
@@Cthulhu013 excellent analysis, I'm using this clip for article-posts on Facebook cuz even tho Heston is dead his idiotic racist views ("wise old dead white guys", gimme a freekin break) are not
@@micnorton9487 sounds like you're a total sheep who falls for everything Michael Moore says even though his "documentaries" are always debunked by fact checkers.
@@tinafoster8665there is no evidence that Charlton Heston was racist, in fact he was involved in the civil rights movement. It's obvious that you are just making stuff up because you have no argument so do yourself a favor and stop pretending you know what you're talking about.
This made Michael Moore look bad, vs his goal of making Charleton Heston look bad. Mr. Heston was very ill at this time, and if that was my father, I would have pulled Father out of this interview. Not right Michael Moore, taking advantage of a sick older man. Heston was the same generation as my Father. Born the same year, 1923, and served in WW2.
'No. He began having early onset Alzheimer's a year and a half AFTER we filmed that interview with him. What he did have was a new hip and he was moving slowly as he had just had hip replacement surgery three weeks prior. But he was alert and sharp and quite willing to engage in a conversation with me. He was gracious enough to invite us into his home and I treated him with the respect he deserved - as he did to me. Things were going fine until I asked him a question about why Canada has so few gun murders and, unexpectedly, he turned his answer into a racial commentary about Canada's "ethnic" make-up being different from ours and praising those "dead old wise white guys who founded our country." He heard what he had just said and decided to abruptly end the interview. Bottom line: He was the long-time president of the NRA, as he was when we interviewed him (and for over two years after that).' michaelmoore.com/ask-mike
he was healthy enough to hold gun rallies after family and friends were still mourning the loss pf their loved ones due to GUN VIOLENCE. All of his actions were distasteful and he is old enough to know the intent of his actions sweetheart.
@@Top5TechDeals849 lets start with the fact that Canada only has 37 million citizens and the us has 320 million so like every other leftist libtard, you’re comparing apples to oranges. Fuck off 🖕🏻
Charlton wasn't about to sit there and take that from Michael. Who the hell is he to lecture and interrogate him in his own house?!. Michael was way out of line. How dare he bully an ill, elderly man, he's a coward.
In all fairness to Moore, neither he nor Heston nor Heston’s physicians knew that Heston had early-stage Alzheimer’s. That wouldn’t be diagnosed for another year and not announced to the public until some time after that. Moore did a lot wrong here, but _knowingly_ taking unfair advantage of Heston’s Alzheimer’s was not one of them.
Go watch mm hates america if it's still up on yt ..mm lied about the nra and Charlton Heston like you would have to see to believe . i'm no fan of this hypocrite any more ..he is a real fraud , attacking an elderly man CH for protecting his home ..MM has a mansion & security when needed ..I bet they carry guns ..
@@podsmpsg1 the fact that he acts like he is not a capitalist is what is bad.. but in America ..free market & capitalism has pulled many out of the ditch..it's 2021 ..u can start yr own business on yt and make a million perhaps ...capitalizing on yr name like YT stars do all the time here in this free-market America !
This was just the beginning of what the liberal film industry did to Heston. Heston left at least as big a legacy as Paul Newman, but got no tribute like Newman at the 2009 Oscars. When Heston got the typical 5 seconds during the In Memorium segment, I could hear boos from a number of audience members.
Have to admit, when this came out way back in '02 I was glad Moore did this scene as it seemed like a poetic justice. Looking back and on it now it though, it really comes off as bush league. Heston is clearly old, ill, and unable to defend himself or his past actions.
Heston may have been old here, but not too far gone mentally. The reason that Michael wanted to interview him had less to do with a desire to 'bully an old man' than to try and reason with a celebrity who also happened to be the head of the NRA.
@@wylier Gimme a break, he had Alzheimers Disease lol. Look it up. And you can say what you want about Moore's intentions, but going after an old man with a progressive neurological disease such as Alzheimers is not a good look for him. Probably one of many reasons why he's not relevant anymore.
I cannot forgive the way he treated Charlton Heston. Even if I don't agree with Moor's politics, Chuck is a gentleman. He agreed to have an interview with Moore, and Moore took advantage of the situation and made Chuck look foolish. He had been invited to Heston's home and he was treated with courtesy. I winced when I saw the expression on Chuck's face change as he realized that he had been duped. And yet he remained a gentleman and dismissed the interloper with grace. This interview proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that Michael Moor is an ASSHAT and true Garbage Human
Heston is a fucking asshole. When he was told that a six year old boy killed a six year old girl he barely had ANY reaction at all, he just arched his eyebrows a bit. Wouldn't you have gone "My god", or "That's terrible!" at least???? Heston was a cold, emotionless asshole. Fuck him.
@@SelectiveApathy82 His reaction wasn’t super-shocked because it wasn’t the first time he’d heard about that. This part of the conversation starts at 4:36 and runs through to pretty much the end of the interview. At 4:49, after Heston remarks that this was kids with sadness but not shock in his voice and face, and Moore said it was six-year-old kids, he then asks Heston, “Did you hear about this?” to which Heston replied, softly, “Yeah.” Moore then asks again: “A six-year-old shooting a six-year-old?” Heston: “Yeah.” That’s the sort of reaction I’d have to hearing someone bring up a tragedy involving children that I already knew about or at least had some basic familiarity with. _Shock_ would only enter the picture if it was _news_ to me. Even now, if you were to remind people about, say, Sandy Hook (as horrible as that was), most would express sadness or maybe outrage that nothing was done even after _that,_ but _shock?_ No. We all know about Sandy Hook. We all know about Columbine. And Heston knew about Flint by this point (though _not_ when he was at that political campaign rally for Bush/Cheney [which was _not,_ as Moore tried to make it look like earlier in the film, a “big gun rally” or _NRA_ rally of any kind - Heston was there, _not_ so much as NRA President, but as a famous celebrity supporting his preferred candidate, same as Moore was doing [referenced in this very video when Heston said, _“You_ {Moore} were there for the Vice President {Al Gore, also campaigning in Flint that same day}”] - he said so later in the interview). It’d take a lot of explanation (and I posted much of it already in that other video’s thread [the MovieClips one] where I “met” you), but _neither_ of the things Moore asked Heston to apologize for at the very beginning of this video and the very end of the interview actually happened. Neither Heston nor the NRA went to either Littleton nor Flint in the immediate aftermath of either tragedy to hold a gun rally for the purposes of either damage control or to rub people’s noses in it. In brief: the Denver event was a _convention_ that had been planned years in advance with contracts signed and which included the annual shareholder’s meeting that they were _required by law_ to hold, and under the laws of their incorporation could not be canceled or changed without giving all the shareholders [NRA members] a minimum of ten days’ _advance written_ notice. Moore himself said earlier in the movie, in the Denver convention part, that “just _ten days after”_ the Columbine massacre, Heston and the NRA went to Denver, over the objections of a community in mourning, to hold their convention (which Moore _lyingly_ called “a big gun rally” - it was no such thing). The NRA _did_ cancel _everything they _*_could_*_ legally cancel_ of that convention. All the expos, seminars, festivities, and so on. _Only_ the shareholder’s meeting (which is what his speech was from) and a brief meet-and-greet to make sure the attendees were informed of these cancellations was held. Go back and read the transcript of Heston’s NRA speech that I posted to you last night in the other thread. Moore cut out all the parts where Heston referred to it as an _abbreviated_ gathering and talks about how the festivals and such had been canceled,. and he expresses sincere sympathy for the people of Denver (it should also be pointed out here that Denver ≠ Littleton - Littleton is an exurb of Denver and a separate community in its own right, a good long commute away - if Heston and the NRA had rushed there to do damage control or flaunt their gun rights in the faces of the citizens who’d been devastated by that massacre, he and they would’ve gone to *_Littleton,_*_ not_ *Denver!)* and warns that there would be some who’d seek to take their words out of context (like Moore did). The Flint thing was even worse. Go to the other thread and read my Timeline analysis of just the first eleven seconds of that video (dialogue also found in this video).
Michael Moore is an embarrassment here. He was not remotely interested in what Heston had to say. He kept talking faster, talking over Heston, double-talking, spouting so-called facts that Heston could not verify on the spot before answering a question about, and basically was 100% disingenuous about who he was to get a so-called interview. Really - Moore is a true embarrassment.
@@mrflipperinvader7922 ....listening to leftist is what has messed things up and made it this way in America. At this point they can leave if they don't like it here. Sick of constant "well you know in Denmark...." type remarks. We aren't Denmark. If you want things to be like Denmark, go to Denmark.
@@davidlindsay9564 So instead of sticking around to fix problems in our country we should just run away to a place where those problems don't exist? Is that how right wingers think these days?
@@remembertotakeshowerspleas355 when you want to change things to the way that is the very cause of why people flee other countries come here, then yes. This is the greatest country in the world, and the world would be a cesspool of oppression without America.
@@davidlindsay9564 The only people that "flee" Europe for the United States are the ultra wealthy seeking to take advantage of our lax tax infrastructure. The average citizen Denmark and most other western European countries are significantly better off than we are thanks to their supposedly socialist policies regarding healthcare and other public services, never mind their near complete lack of mass shootings. But yeah, we invented freedom or something so we just completely write off these proven policies that have made countries like Denmark objectivity better places to live the vast majority of their people than the United States. Let's just sit around jerking ourselves off about how fucking awesome we apparently are instead of making an effort to fix our glaring flaws, that worked out so great for the Romans after all.
Actually Mr. Moore, he didn't go to Littleton, CO. He went to Denver, CO for the NRA's annual national convention that had been planned out months before Columbine. Swing and a miss, Michael.
@@SelectiveApathy82 no he wasn't. Moore combined footage from other events ans and edited out parts to make it seem that way. How does one "feel" like a "white guy" explain that to me racist.
I like Micheal Moore but this was a cheap shot at a great man . Charlton Heston was a true American patriot who marched with Dr King and dedicated his life to equality. decency and love of his neighbor . You do good movies Mike but this was a cheap shot .
No. Not a cheap shot. Heston was still in possession of his faculties. While he was suffering from early onset Alzheimers, he was still capable of thinking, reasoning. He certainly wouldn't have approved of giving this interview if he wasn't capable of being interviewed. You feel sad for Heston because he shows the early signs of his illness. That doesn't' take away from the fact that he was president of the NRA when this interview took place.
He told him he was a life time member of the NRA ...Heston was clearly taken off guard and Moore's intentions were clear...that's a cheap shot . He should have told him up front that he was going to take that position but then Heston would not have given the interview ? ..cheap shot .
The Rolland murder happened in Feb 2000, the Heston speech was a GOTV rally EIGHT MONTHS LATER. Given his well publicized record of playing around with chronology to support his point, how is this not a cheap shot? Dems should just give him a lifetime supply of hot fudge sundaes to go away or endorse Trump
Heston was ambush by Moore with false stats and irrelevant questions. Heston kept his guns loaded even though he felt safe and had never been assaulted BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU WON'T BE SAFE! If Columbine hadn't been a gun free zone perhaps less people would have died. I have had a double barrel shotgun shove in my gut before, but hey, I felt safe in that liquor store when I walked up behind the guy at the register.
A man whom goes into a city that recently had a school shooting for the intent purpose of holding a pro gun rally in opposition to high demand for gun reform does not deserve to be treated as some sort of hero just because he marched for civil rights. What he did was tasteless, irresponsible, cruel and arrogant, and he deserved to be called out on it.
I guess I'm what a lot of people call a "liberal" in some ways. I'm sure as hell not a Republican or very conservative. I think guns should be regulated the way cars/drivers are at least....you should take a test or even just go to a class once in your life...just my opinion. But this interview...this ambush...was the worst thing he ever did. I like a lot of MM's films too but this was a total setup and he took advantage of Heston's generosity.
How would taking a test stop a six year old from shooting a six year old? Or an underage high school kid from shooting up his school? The real question is why would anyone want to do a mass shooting in the first place? Maybe finding that out might stop mass shootings. It's obvious to me its deeper than just guns being available. There is something very wrong with our society that drives people and even children to want to commit mass murder. Take the guns away and they will just move to homemade pipe bombs or something. So then what are we just going to outlaw every item someone uses to commit a mass murder? Gasoline would be illegal pretty quick and cars and so on.
2:57 Michael Moore is an insufferable prick on his best day but his snarkiness here is particularly contemptible. Mr. Heston was a WWII veteran and Moore is trying to lecture him about German history.
For whatever reason, Heston sincerely believed that the Second Amendment was under serious attack. This interview was shot in 2001. In August of 2002, a few months before this documentary was released in the U.S., Heston announced he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. By 2008, he was bedridden from the disease, and he died of pneumonia on April 5, 2008, in the home featured in this interview (built during the production of "Ben Hur.") Little did he know, two months after his death, the SCOTUS would for the first time in U.S. history recognize the individual right to bear arms. R.I.P. Mr. Heston.
I often wonder, back in the day, who would it have been more interesting to spend an evening with, Mr Heston or Mr Moore? A gentleman or a pig. I hope that's not too harsh of a comment.
Beyond harsh its just uneven. You judge Heston based on your perception of his character but your comment on Moore is seemingly just an attack on his weight. To answer your question I'd rather spend an evening with Heston. Though I wouldn't want to talk that much about politics, I'd just want to talk film with him.
I am not a gun owner, but I do believe in the right of legal gun ownership. California ( which is where Moore lived at the time) has the second strictest gun laws next to NYC and yet assaults from perpetrators with guns and death by gun violence is extremely high. Moores question to Heston should’ve been asked back to him. If guns are the problem, then why does Canada have very few homicides by Gun? Is it that Americans by nature are more violent then the rest of the first world, that we are more ‘trigger happy’ and quick to anger ( road rage, school and public place shootings ). I feel Moore went after low hanging fruit by trying to confront a man who was in the beginning stages of dementia with questions that even he himself cannot answer. It’s been awhile since I’ve seen this documentary in its entirety, but I feel disgust watching Michael Moore in this clip, manipulating the edits to try to score debate points with the audience. I would challenge him to take the same questions to the communities of color leadership and ask them why teenage black and brown boys shoot each other and where many do not live past 30 because of our being quick to anger.
Instead of lecturing legal gun owners about why they own a gun as if there the problem he should sit down with criminals and ask why they own a gun,classic case of working from the wrong end of a problem
I think MR. Heston realized he was going down fast health wise and in return wanted to secure the Rights for future generations. He was in Hollywood and knew what Hollywood had become.
Moore and for that matter Heston never do get down to why a second amendment exists written the way it is. in 1776 common citizens in the colonies decided they were not afraid of intimidation by the British army and the governor and they learned of the incoming British army and decided to stand up to them over the issues they had with the current government. The famous Lexington and Concord clash could never have happened if they had permitted the British army to go door-to-door confiscating all firearms. The writers of the Constitution realized that since that is the birth of the country that United States citizens have to have the ability to resist tyranny if the government becomes tyrannical. The citizens confronting the British call themselves a militia and that is why that word was used in the second amendment.
The Constitution is a centuries-old document that is highly flawed in today's modern world. Lots of things about it just don't work in our world. It needs to be amended constantly to fit the needs of today. Of course, that will never happen, as a MAJORITY vote in both Houses is required, and Congress will ever agree on what the amendment should be. Deadlocked forever. Whatever.
@@SelectiveApathy82 Citizens' need and right to resist tyranny when the time arises works perfectly well in our world today. Regimes around the world are able to abuse their disarmed citizens. You only described proposing an amendment. Not the 2/3 of the states needed to ratify.
@@martinishot Yeah that two. Need a 2/3 majority in the states to ratify any amendment. No wonder we can't even fucking amend that wretched old outdated document.
@@SelectiveApathy82 Actually, you need a ⅔ supermajority in both Houses of Congress to even send it _to_ the states _for_ ratification (there is another way but it has yet to be used and I hope it never is), and then ¾ of the states have to actually ratify it.
That’s a nice NRA-propaganda-style whitewashing of the reason behind the 2ⁿᵈ Amendment, but just plain isn’t true. The Framers of the Constitution did _not_ want the people to stand against the government. They’d just had Shays’s Rebellion which was an armed citizen uprising against a government that the rebels _thought_ had turned tyrannical. It nearly tore the fledgling nation apart. This was back under the Articles of Confederation which had a _much_ weaker federal government (just a single-chamber Congress of the Confederation with very limited powers, and a ceremonial figurehead President of Congress aka “President of the United States in Congress Assembled” which served short indeterminate terms and wielded almost no real power, not even as much as the Speaker of the House does today). So much of a failure was the Articles that popular history barely remembers that they even existed. Can you name a single one of the Presidents of Congress off the top of your head, or even tell me how many there were? Few people without Ph.D.s in American History can. So, they convened the Constitutional Convention ostensibly to reform the Articles with a few amendments to patch holes in it, but they threw the whole thing out and did the Constitution instead. A couple years later they drafted the Bill of Rights (which originally had _twelve_ Amendments) and sent them to the States for ratification, but only the last ten were actually ratified (the _original_ 2ⁿᵈ Amendment was _finally_ ratified over two _centuries_ later in the late 1980s and is the most recently ratified Amendment: the 27ᵗʰ, barring Congress from passing pay raises for itself that take effect before the next Congressional election). As proof that they did _not_ intend the Militia to stand against the government if it should turn tyrannical, one need only look at the wording of the Amendment itself. Right-wingers / gun rights activists focus on the “…the Right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed” part (it’d behoove you to look up what “infringed” meant _back then_ - words do change meaning over time), while left-wingers focus on the “A well regulated Militia,…” part, but both sides tend to ignore the _most important_ part which is the part _between_ those two: “… being _necessary_ to the _security_ of a free *State,…”.* State. _Not_ “people.” And that’s not “state” as in what they had thirteen of back then and we have fifty of today. It was “state” as in “NATION-state.” The *government* and the nation as a whole. Notice also that all Nouns are Capitalized in the Amendment text _except_ “people.” Back then the grammar style was to capitalize nouns in formal legalese documents unless they were considered not as important as other nouns. What _is_ the purpose of the Militia? This was spelled out in more detail in the Enumerated Powers of Congress in Article Ⅰ (Legislative branch) §8 (Enumerated Powers): “To provide for calling forth *the Militia* to execute the Laws of the Union, *suppress Insurrections,* and repel Invasions.” What’s an Insurrection? It’s an uprising of the people when they feel that the government has become tyrannical and needs to be overthrown or changed by force. You know, like Shays’s Rebellion. Or, like the Whiskey Rebellion, which was similar and happened shortly _after_ the Bill of Rights including the 2ⁿᵈ Amendment was ratified. Again, some citizens thought the government was tyrannical, so they took up arms. And what did Congress and the then-new President George Washington do? They _mobilized_ *the Militia* to *_put down_** that Insurrection!* No, the _real_ purpose of the 2ⁿᵈ Amendment is the _180° diametric opposite_ of what the NRA and GOA tell you.
@@davidyatesmckay The event was planned well over a year before. It can't be cancelled without 2 weeks notice. "Michael Moore hates America" covered this. Moore edited footage from other events to weave a false narrative.
Heston chose to be a symbol for the NRA and to speak for its cause so... tough! He could have broken up the interview any time... Moore pushed and that is his choice.
That’s actually true. If you take out the gang violence, the USA firearms _per capita_ homicide rate, including mass shootings and such, drops down to about the middle of the pack of other industrialized nations. Gangs are a serious issue, but they’re only so in a few large cities (notably Chicago, D.C., New Orleans, and a few others). If you were to take just _those_ out, the USA would be a bit above the middle of the pack, yet nowhere near the outlier that it is. Also, because gangs are mainly poor people of color, they don’t get considered to be a priority among lawmakers and the media. Gangs are a serious problem. But the mass shootings are far more newsworthy and get all the press. That said, we really do have a serious problem with mass shootings. Other nations have had them but nowhere near as frequently as the USA. When other nations do have them, they pass real gun control, and then those things don’t happen there hardly ever anymore. Part of the gangs issue I suspect is lead poisoning, both from substandard water supply (Flint is gonna be in some _serious_ trouble in this regard when the kids who’ve been drinking the water for the past seven years grow into teenagers), lead-based paint still on and in old houses in inner-city ghettos, and yes, even from the bullets fired by the gangs themselves and the cops trying to deal with them infesting the soil and thus perpetuating the problem. This added to the lead poisoning all of mankind encountered due to the invention of tetraethylead and its use in leaded gasoline for decades until the practice was finally stopped (how that was discovered and the process by which it was eventually stopped is a fascinating subject in itself - there was an episode of the second _Cosmos_ series [the one with Neal Degrasse Tyson instead of Carl Sagan] devoted to that subject). Lead is _devastating_ to the brain, and not just to raw intellect. In the parts of the brain that control morals and conscience and such as well. Lead-poisoned people are _much_ more likely to become criminals, corrupt politicians and businesspeople, domestic abusers, _etc._ It can turn people who would otherwise have been good, even great, people, benefits to society and mankind, into sociopathic monsters who become a danger to everyone. Lead poisoning from the aqueducts (their greatest technological achievement - the first plumbing!) and food preservatives and pewter wine goblets and storage vessels contributed mightily to the fall of the Roman Empire. It’s why the later emperors were basically stupid, evil, insane, or all three. Another factor in gangs is absent fathers. In all too many cases, the fathers are absent through no fault of their own, having been arrested and imprisoned for decades for minor cannabis possession - “crimes” for which a wealthy or even middle-class white person might be sentenced to rehab and maybe some community service. It’s known that children raised without an active father figure are much more likely to get involved with gangs, as the camaraderie of a gang is an attempt to fill the void left by the absent father-figure. This of course benefits the Prison-Industrial Complex (“for-profit prison” is a phrase that shouldn’t even have ever been _thought_ of in a nation and society that values freedom as we claim to), as it helps raise up a new “crop” of forced prison laborers. It’s an end-run around the 13ᵗʰ Amendment (abolition of slavery and involuntary servitude after the Civil War) using its “except as punishment for a crime” loophole.
The debate about this incident will seemingly go on forever, essentially though these 2 guys do not seem to have much / any disagreement about the second amendment, the issue was that Heston seemed surprised to get a grilling on the finer sociological detail (although surely in his position he should be prepared and equipped for this??) which tells me that Moore had teed it up beforehand as an informal chat and not a "hard interview" - Heston placed his trust in Moore and graciously invited him into his home; however it is the principle of giving a man an inch, and an interviewer can do what they want really - conclusions then are that Heston was a nice guy, but outsmarted by the shrewd and notably intelligent Moore, and that neither bloke's very positive reputation should be considered reduced from what happened here. Two important and good men.
@@SelectiveApathy82 Ah, good to see you here in this video. I was about to post a link to it to you in the other thread. There you said that he showed that he didn’t care especially with the part about the Flint thing. Can you give the time-point in this video and exactly what you think made him so uncaring? While he _is_ an actor, he did seem honestly devastated to hear about one six-year-old killing another. If you’re talking about the rally in Flint, there’s something about that that you may not know.
@@COMALiteJ It's right at the part where Moore shifts the conversation to Flint and starts talking about the six year-old boy murdering a six year-old girl with a gun. Jesus, if Heston's reactions don't come off as cold, detached and nonchalant to you, then you must either be blind or hugely imperceptive. But I guess you could always just blame it all on the Alzheimers, I dunno....
@@COMALiteJ And this is somewhat off-topic, but I have a HUGE problem with highly-nonchalant people in general. They really just make my blood boil. When something utterly shocking and highly emotional occurs, they still act unfazed, like "Hmmm, wow.....heavy stuff huh?". To such nonchalant assholes I say: are you an actual human with blood pumping through your veins or a worthless fucking robot?!
Sitting at home in quarentine watching vids, came across this. Disgusting how Michale Moore interviewed this old man. After Charton mentioned mixed ethnicity, he knew Moore saw another avenue to probe, a young quick thinking mind with poor intensions, Charton knew better than to go any further in that direction. I'm sure all watching this understood what Charlton ment when comparing Canada to the US. Moore should have backed off, ended the interview on a good note, and thanked the man for inviting him into his home.
@@arthurrottiers6737 At the very beginning (from 0:06-0:44) after Moore has been let through Heston’s gate, greets Heston outside, and is walking towards his pool and tennis house, the instrumental (piano) version of “It’s a Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood” is playing. This is the version played in the closing of episodes of _Mister Rogers’s Neighborhood_ (he sings the version in the opening credits). Moore or his producers presumably obtained usage rights to that song, and Moore used it to drive home the contrast of the scenes of Flint’s poverty-stricken schools and such that preceded this sequence with the nice (not palatial or ostentatious, but nice) estate Heston owned.
@@COMALiteJ aha I see, well my answer of 'no he doesn't...' was directed to a guy who deleted his answer by now. So there was a small miscommunication as I'm not deaf, but still thanks for the info tho :)
At 0:56 - after Moore shows Heston his NRA Lifetime Membership ID card (which was real - more on that some other time), look up at the old-fashioned Roman-numeraled analog wall clock over Moore’s head. The hour hand is hidden behind Moore’s head, but the minute hand is clearly just past the IX, making it 46 minutes into the hour (or 14 minutes before the next hour). At 2:12 - more of the clock is now visible. It clearly says about 6:03. So even if it said 5:46 before, somehow we had about 16 minutes of wall clock time traverse in only about 1¼ minutes of video time. Funny thing: on a morning show, Moore told the host that this interview was *UNedited!* Over the next ¾ minute or so, you can see the second hand clearly traversing at a normal speed, and the minute hand moves closer to the “I” so that it’s more like 6:04, so normal time passage. Nothing wrong with the clock! At 6:10 - we can see the whole clock easily. There’s a tennis racket behind it. It now says about 6:10 (nice coincidence there). So nothing much seems to have been cut here. Even if we assume that the actual interview began shortly after 0:56 but well before 2:12 and the cut part was just small talk and setup and such, it’d be nice to know what was cut.
@Burr Anderson Uhm, that’s a video of a conversation between Moore and the late atheist Christopher Hitchens, not Charlton Heston. Is there some particular time point in that conversation you want me to focus on?
Moore was despicable in his misrepresentation of holding the picture of the girl and Heston leaving, I didn't know that that didn't happen. on a lighter note I almost expected Heston to say, now you get the hell out of here, and you tell that goomba if he tries any rough stuff, I'm no band leader LOL
If he could see what Trump is doing today he'd be appalled. Michael is being an asshole here, but sometimes he is when he drives over the mark and ruiens the interview by being just as rigid.
People act like progressivism is a new post-2010 thing. It's been around for a very long time, but only now do we truly see it for the crap that it is.
This was not cool. The man was older and his views changed. He was an outspoken critic of racism. People change as they age. Moore should have known better.
Moore informed that the murder rate is higher here in USA than it is in Canada.. What? Canada has one of the highest Crime Victim rates in the world !! 7th highest in the world last I checked. USA is not even close at 21st lowest !! Can not believe how Moore would attack an 80 year old man like this.. How mean and cruel can anyone be? Keep in mind that Canada only reports a crime committed by the same person as a single crime stat, where here in USA if the same person commits 10 crimes it is reported as 10 crimes . England , Canada reports it as a single crime which keeps crime stats lower and still they are much higher than USA.
grabir01 victims of crime, and murders, are two, completely different things. Could be that Canada has 20 times the shoplifting the USA does, it still makes it a hell of a lot safer.
Of course you could criticize Moore’s style of interviewing Heston, who was sick at the time. But let’s not forget at the time Heston was president of the NRA he was healthy enough to promote the, let’s say, questionable gun culture in the US.
I feel like I’m the only one is this comment section that agreed with this. Charles Heston was insensitive to hold that rally and I am glad someone stood up and faced him and told him that.
So he should have cancelled an organized rally that probably took months to plan, because of a shooting that he admitted to in the interview that he didn't even know about at the time? And....he's insensitive....how exactly? I guess he should have got to Flynt, (a shithole city that is plagued with crime and violence) and what? Bought a newspaper to see what crimes had happened in the last few days to ensure not to offend anyone? Your comment is completely illogical.
@@colddeadhand7414 as someone training to be an unbiased politian. charleston may have been in declining health during the time of this footage, it doesnt excuse his past. he knew what he was doing back then and it was disgraceful, he was a horrible man for the things he did and was childish enough to walk away from a serious topic discussing his past, disgraceful mistakes that he refused to apologise for. Dead people will still be held accountable for their actions.
Why is he harassing him? Heston agreed to be interviewed. That's not harassment. Michael was polite and wanted answers. Heston could leave at any time if he was uncomfortable or wanted to end the interview and he did. No shame, buddy.
Micheal Moore only did one good movie his whole life : Canadian Bacon. Just remember that Micheal Moore did comedy before this, and would sell his soul for a dollar.
So instead of not to beat about the bush, he should go easy on a man who has defended his views on weaponry for more than 50 years just because of his age? That's pathetic.
@Doug Green How about the Demcrats who just voted to pass that Corona relief bill? True, it was a bipartisan vote, but it's not a 'Republican triumph' by any means.
@Pitty Pat - What a pathetic and stupid comment you made about Michael Moore! So typical of right-wing lunatics like yourself who would treat people like Mr. Moore in a rather awful fashion! How sad indeed!
@@stellarwind1946 but those countries aren’t all one race except Japan and Korea. Germany France and Britain along with all the Nordic countries are extremely diverse!
For those of you saying that Michael Moore was low for doing what he did, need to get a grip. First, just because Charlton Heston was an old man, doesn't mean that he shouldn't be questioned or criticized for his actions as President of the NRA. Second, for those of you who say that Heston wasn't coherent, that should tell you two things: he isn't fit to serve as President of the NRA and he shouldn't have loaded guns in the house in his condition. Third, asking for common sense gun safety laws isn't communism. When people were killed in car accidents back in the 1970s and 1980s, our country mandated seatbelts, collision control and air bags. Does it save everyone? No. But to say we shouldn't explore and take action to reduce gun violence in this country is the same thing as saying we shouldn't outlaw sexual assault and murder because people are going to do it anyway. I don't accept it and neither do millions of Americans who are tired of mass shootings that have killed thousands of people in the last 20 years. We are living on 20th century model of government that can't keep up with 21st century problems. No action is a threat to national security and the well being of our citizens. It's patriotic to raise questions and to criticize those in power, including Heston, who have done nothing to reduce to gun violence in the US.
I think Ch. Heston has nothing to do with the violence. There is a lot of gun control in USA, but let`s face it, criminals of mental ill people are going to get a weapon anyway. There`s a lot of Countrys where people doesn`t have the right to bear arms and are a lot more violent that USA per capita.
Yeah, that made even _me_ cringe and I’m a Heston fan. But he was technically at least partly right. They _were_ for the most part wise, for the most part old (middle aged or older), all dead, all white, and all men, who did the actual founding, though several prominent women and black people also played vital roles.
I wince when I see this. Regardless of your politics, Charelton Heston was a gentleman, allowed for the interview and was duped by Michael Moore, who came under false pretenses and sucker punched Mr. Heston. I side with most of Michael Moore's opinions, and I think he's a wonderful filmmaker, but this is shameful. (Charelton Heston, like him or not, was always up front about his beliefs and would never stoop as low as Michael Moore did here.)
Heston was also soon diagnosed with Alzheimers soon after this intervies, so I kind of feel it was morally wrong for Moore to exploit him in this interview
Terrence Daugherty I dont see how any of his views hold any sort of weight whatsoever. Moore is a pussy through and through, talentless, sick son of a bitch
Joseph Franc And you're an idiot keyboard warrior...
If you think Michael Moore is a "wonderful" anything, you're a fucking Scumbag who, like Moore, belongs six feet under the soil.
Joseph Franc his views exposed the stupid logic behind Weston’s idea that we need more weapons
I love that Michael Moore had to insert that shot of himself righteously holding the picture of that girl at 6:31. There is no camera man in front of him to do it when he is walking up to Heston. Also, because I know how editing is done, I know the sounds from the insert shot are being played over the shot of Heston walking away. I.e. The "please don't leave/look at her." Almost as if Moore is manipulating it to be more dramatic and himself more heroic. Pretty weak stuff.
Imagine what else was done
Yeah, fuck Moore!
I noticed that
How is Heston running away like a bitch weak stuff? you should probably get out more. Moore is a genius. you probably prefer pro wrestling anyway
Running away like a bitch? More like "GTFO off my property you fat grabasstic piece of amphibian shit and don't come back", and Fat Mikey really doesn't give a fuck about Flint unless he can make money off it, some hero
After reviewing this again, I will most likely never watch another Moore movie.
Why? I generally don't like Michael Moore's tactics but I applauded him here. Charlton Heston is/was a cold-hearted bastard.
Have you seen FahrenHYPE 911? The "response film" (hosted by Ron Silver) made to Moores Fahrenheit 9-11? Watch it, you will see justhow rotten Moore is.
How
This edited weird look at shoots where he holds the picture and when chars leaves
Why do you have weapons at home if you have never been assaulted? It's like asking why you have smoke detectors and fire extinguishers at home if you've never had a fire
There's plenty of countries where people aren't expected to have weapons at home though. Pretty much every "normal" household has a stove, microwave, or some other entity capable of causing a fire.
How incredibly disrespectful. Heston agrees to give an interview and Moor relentlessly harasses him on his property. I would have trouble ever forgiving him.
What's even more disrespectful was when Heston went to towns to brag and show off those guns that are the same weapons that were used to murder kids in those towns.
Oh, boo hoo. Heston was asked hard questions that made him reconsider his views. Wah wah wah.
If he feels harassed by being asked respectful questions that were difficult for him to answer then he's a fucking pussy
The man was the spokesman of one of the biggest and most influencial groups in america. Moore is supposed to go easy on him? Blow me
@@addiel9299 He was suffering from Alzheimers and granted the interview under false pretences.
Okay well.. Michael had a valid point with the showing up for a gun rally right after a shooting and all. I get that. But taking out a picture of the girl who died and leaving it on his property was a little much. It’s not like he killed that girl.
Showing up for a gun rally? The two "gun rallies" were the annual NRA shareholders meeting that couldn't be changed (they did drop all the exhibits) and then a GOTV rally some eight months later. Hardly
@@CheerfullyCynical829 that scene along with most of the interview is edited.
@@jollyroger6135 It may be edited, but Heston did not acknowledge the girl. He just walked away.
@@SelectiveApathy82 he doesn't have to acknowledge anything. Michael Moore was just out there to like a tool trying to put blame people who have nothing to do with the girl.
@@alexitorico6686 he shouldn't have even showed a slight sign of remorse that a 6 year old was shot and killed by a 6 year old boy?? Hell, I was absolutely shocked and depressed when I first heard that story. Guess Heston was just an emotionless fucking robot. Fuck him.
I agree that we need better background checks for guns, but I hate what Michael Moore did to Charleston Heston here. Charlton Heston had alzheimers at the time this film was made, and it as not fair to do this to him when he was so vulnerable.
His mind was there. He knew what Moore was talking about. He knew what he was. eing confronted with. Thatz WHY he got up and walked away. I have a grandfather with Alzheimer's and I'm watching him lose himself more each day. But he has his very clear moments. Heston wasnt very impacted by it at this point. He was able to be held to account. I empathize with practically everyone. Even the worst of people, on some micro level. I try to understand human instincts, impulses, and what leads to bad actions. Hestons gross offenses came down to money in his pocket. I'm unable to empathize with already well off people who hurt other people just to add to their bank accounts.
@@vanessamw1140 you do realize that interview is also edited right?
@@jollyroger6135 yes. I mean, almost all interviews are. And I'm aware of the tricks they use to make the interviewee look bad or to look as if they implied something they didnt. I guess I could be jumping to conclusions about an interview without having ever watched the full unedited version. What specifically do you think I've missed? Like symptoms of his illness or a better reaction and answer to the questions posed to him than what was shown?
Are you serious with your Alzheimers comment? Mr. Heston has his brain more together than that fat piece of flesh.
@@vanessamw1140 oh I’m soo suuure you’re aware of the trick they use to make the interviewees look bad 🙄
seriously even in the age he is in the video i wouldn't antagonize him.
Age ain't an excuse
@Doug Green That's why he goes after Clinton in his documentary Sicko?
Pussy
Then Heston should not have agreed to the interview. Did he think it was going to be some kind of cake walk to produce more marketing?
One of the best actors ever seen 🤩😍
I first watched this when it debuted in my early 20s. I’m in my mid-40s now and have really grown to dislike Michael Moore.
That was very shitty what Moore did to Heston.
Wait a minute.
When he pulls out the picture of the girl we allegedly see Heston walking away from the picture. We have two shots, one in front of Michael Moore, one behind Michael Moore.
Both angles are closer to Moore’s left arm. The video angles go back and forth but at no point do we see the two cameramen. Not only that but the front shot of Michael Moore looks really awkward like, oh I don’t know... like he’s talking to himself and Mr. Heston is long gone.
This was 18 years ago but when this was released there was controversy about this scene, because apparently Heston never saw the picture of the girl, yet they edited it in such a way that it looks like Heston is walking away after watching the photo. This NEVER happened.
If you notice this after a first viewing, then you have a good eye for the truth.
@@VicenzoV Unfortunately I did not notice this after first viewing. I was only a teenager at the time and was sold on it's ideas. I'm very different now.
DAMN! That's a really good point.
@Akshay Natu You are saying that a man is guilty of what you think that he would have done it, not something that he actually did. Nice "Minority Report Logic" there.
@Akshay Natu Common sense and rationality are completely different from preconceived notions and clairvoyance. You are accusing Heston of something that you "think" that he would have done it, if Moore showed the photo, not something that he actually did it.
BTW, save you condescending tone to another person. I am not your f-king son.
Such an uncomfortable scene. I wish Moore allowed Heston to complete his thought about violence in the US.
He did....
@@SelectiveApathy82 He did not. The point that Moore raised: why Canada has less arms killings if both USA and Canada has lots of arms in circulation was not explored in depth.
@@felipesimoes1699 It's because the US is a far more ethnically diverse melting pot than Canada. When you have lots of different races, with different cultures and interests that don't like each other crammed together in big cities, of course there's going to be more unrest/tension/violence than a mostly homogenous country.
@@SelectiveApathy82 You are saying that or you saying something that you think Heston said in the video?
@@felipesimoes1699 Heston could not dive into the whole race thing, but it's true. The statistics haven't changed since he's been dead. 13% of the population commits over 50% of all violent crime.
Whats interesting about this interview is that both Heston and Moore think that gun violence is an issue with American culture rather than number of guns.
it's got nothing to do with the number of guns it has to do with things like RESPECT an armed society is a polite society, kids are NOT taught GUN SAFETY in school nor in the home Guns are Made the bogeyman, the "problem", something to be afraid of. A gun in the table is NOT going to suddenly rise up and start shooting people. it is a tool, like a hammer it is the person using it that has the issues. A gun in the hand of a 97 pound *well trained* woman will stop rape in one shot. (double tap to make sure)
Agreed, I grew up in a rural area, "Gun Culture" was very big. I learned to shoot before I was ten and proper gun safety was second nature. I was on the school shooting team and taught safety and marksmanship. Yep, most kids in my high school had a rife or shotgun in their truck... And guess what? We NEVER had a problem with school shooting s or any kind of Gun violence. Then again most of the teachers were vets who were armed.
Ever notice how gun violence only started occurring AFTER the push to villify gun control gained more support.
Heston aged really well .
Didn't mature well though did he
he had a facelift early on, so it doesn't show later.
I d say he aged really bad instead
Adrenochrome
Totally agree with you. Charlton didn't lose his beauty even in his 80's
Lol, why didn't Michael Moore go to the house of the six year old's guardians and guilt trip them about how they irresponsibly left a fucking gun with around with easy access KNOWING there is a child in the house? But yea, it's all Heston's fault.
The point is, Heston didn't give two shits about that poor little girl's death. And he amply demonstrated that in this video.
I agree with you: Moore was barking at the wrong tree and I surmise that tragedy in Flint was caused by lack of parental guidance to put it mildly. That Heston interview segment by Moore wasn’t well conducted at all and was exploitative at best. Moore should have investigated the Flint shooter’s parents and family life conditions i.e. the root cause of the problem, instead of trying to corner an aging actor. He chose the easy and spectacular route; it was a disingenuous move IMO.
@@SelectiveApathy82 Most people don't really give two shits. They try to act like they do but they dont unless its somebody they know or care about.
@@cesarmedina7080 When someone tells you a little boy stole a gun and shot a little girl dead (and you hadn't heard about it yet), a normal, sane person reacts with some shock, widens their eyes, goes "Oh my god that's absolutely tragic/terrible/heartbreaking!" or something along those lines. Heston did none of that. Just arched his eyebrows a bit and looked away. The guy was made of cold fucking stone.
@@SelectiveApathy82 men women and children die every day in the world. Why doesn't everybody just hang their heads in shame and cry for them? When cults all commit ritual suicide drinking poisoned Kool aid how can Kool aid continue on knowing their product was used for a fruity drink death punch? They should be ashamed. See how easy it is to feign outrage? You can't control people, people make their own decision, if that kid didn't take that gun what would of been the thing he took? A knife? A sword?
This is disgusting. Michael purposely tried to antagonize and argue with Mr Heston from the start. How is he to blame or how should he be expected to apologize for an incident of which he isn’t responsible for in anyway. It’s important to rally in places where tragedy has taken place so the democrats don’t take advantage of it to make more gun laws. Which is all it’s about. Nothing to do with them caring about the victim or victims family. Disgusting to use it for political gain. That’s something to apologize for
That was a low thing to do. SMH
The guy had Alzheimer's at the time. It was a low blow to do an interview on a person who was not in their right mind. Regardless of opinion it was no reason to do it. Moore is actually the bigger asshole here.
@@CheerfullyCynical829 How is Heston so?
@@davidlindsay9564 Look at his reaction when Moore mentions the 6 year old boy killing the 6 year old girl. He just goes "Yeah......yeah", and just arches his eyebrows like such a horrific thing is no big deal to him. That should tell you all you need to know about Heston's character.
@@SelectiveApathy82 ...seeing as it's Michael Moore, if he'd said "thats sad" Moore would have spun it as "Heston breaks down and admits the error of his ways" or some other BS. He, even in his compromised state is too savvy to fall for Moore's nonsense. What does the shooting have to do with Heston? NOTHING. He went after Dick Clark in a similar way and he too wasn't having any of it. Clark owns a restaurant that gave the girl a job, he benefited her life. So how is anything in anyway, HIS fault? Its not. It is the mom and her thug brother. Its sad when things happen, but playing on peoples emotions with anecdotal stories for entertainment and political motives makes Moore the real POS. You can be rest assured Heston has done more for the good of mankind than Moore has.
@@evilcowboy I agree. By far. Even in his compromised state. Heston could smell a rat, and his instincts kicked in and he wasn't having any of it. I love how Dick Clark shuts Moore down.
It is obvious that this man was very ill at the time and Moore taunted him. He was a very decent guy to allow him the interview. I don't agree with Heston's political choices but his wife, Lydia, has said that it was probably Heston's terrible mistake to allow the NRA to take over his life. You can see the fire in her eyes when she speaks of it in their interview together after he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's.
It's because she's a woman and most women don't like guns.
He seemed fine to me, and didn't pass away for another 6 years. You sound like a moron.
This interview took place just a few years before Charlton Heston died. At that time, his health was deteriorating and he was battling dementia. You can easily tell by how incoherent Charlton is during the interview. A younger and healthier Charlton Heston definitely would have stood up for himself better during Moore's vicious criticism of him .
He seemed competent enough to me, even to the point where he began to enter racial territory, he quickly backed off, knowing that would get him into hot water. I think his faculties were there well enough for this interview. I think he legitimately knew he was on the wrong side of that discussion and so he got up and walked out before he made a fool of himself further.
Lots of people just go through life without ever being asked the hard questions. And this is the normal sort of reaction when it eventually happens.
@@Cthulhu013 excellent analysis, I'm using this clip for article-posts on Facebook cuz even tho Heston is dead his idiotic racist views ("wise old dead white guys", gimme a freekin break) are not
@@micnorton9487 hiii
@@micnorton9487 sounds like you're a total sheep who falls for everything Michael Moore says even though his "documentaries" are always debunked by fact checkers.
@@tinafoster8665there is no evidence that Charlton Heston was racist, in fact he was involved in the civil rights movement. It's obvious that you are just making stuff up because you have no argument so do yourself a favor and stop pretending you know what you're talking about.
This made Michael Moore look bad, vs his goal of making Charleton Heston look bad. Mr. Heston was very ill at this time, and if that was my father, I would have pulled Father out of this interview. Not right Michael Moore, taking advantage of a sick older man. Heston was the same generation as my Father. Born the same year, 1923, and served in WW2.
'No. He began having early onset Alzheimer's a year and a half AFTER we filmed that interview with him. What he did have was a new hip and he was moving slowly as he had just had hip replacement surgery three weeks prior. But he was alert and sharp and quite willing to engage in a conversation with me. He was gracious enough to invite us into his home and I treated him with the respect he deserved - as he did to me. Things were going fine until I asked him a question about why Canada has so few gun murders and, unexpectedly, he turned his answer into a racial commentary about Canada's "ethnic" make-up being different from ours and praising those "dead old wise white guys who founded our country." He heard what he had just said and decided to abruptly end the interview. Bottom line: He was the long-time president of the NRA, as he was when we interviewed him (and for over two years after that).'
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he was healthy enough to hold gun rallies after family and friends were still mourning the loss pf their loved ones due to GUN VIOLENCE. All of his actions were distasteful and he is old enough to know the intent of his actions sweetheart.
@@Top5TechDeals849 lets start with the fact that Canada only has 37 million citizens and the us has 320 million so like every other leftist libtard, you’re comparing apples to oranges. Fuck off 🖕🏻
@@gina6764 fuck those families, boo hoo. Fuck you too 🖕🏻
robert barna damn someone’s pressed lol
Goes to see Charlton Heston and they play Mr Rogers "won't you be my neighbor"
Charlton wasn't about to sit there and take that from Michael. Who the hell is he to lecture and interrogate him in his own house?!. Michael was way out of line. How dare he bully an ill, elderly man, he's a coward.
An ill, elderly, cold-hearted ASSHOLE. Get it right.
In all fairness to Moore, neither he nor Heston nor Heston’s physicians knew that Heston had early-stage Alzheimer’s. That wouldn’t be diagnosed for another year and not announced to the public until some time after that. Moore did a lot wrong here, but _knowingly_ taking unfair advantage of Heston’s Alzheimer’s was not one of them.
Go watch mm hates america if it's still up on yt ..mm lied about the nra and Charlton Heston like you would have to see to believe . i'm no fan of this hypocrite any more ..he is a real fraud , attacking an elderly man CH for protecting his home ..MM has a mansion & security when needed ..I bet they carry guns ..
@@redskywalker3374 MM is an eltist POS like the rest.
@@podsmpsg1 the fact that he acts like he is not a capitalist is what is bad.. but in America ..free market & capitalism has pulled many out of the ditch..it's 2021 ..u can start yr own business on yt and make a million perhaps ...capitalizing on yr name like YT stars do all the time here in this free-market America !
This was just the beginning of what the liberal film industry did to Heston. Heston left at least as big a legacy as Paul Newman, but got no tribute like Newman at the 2009 Oscars. When Heston got the typical 5 seconds during the In Memorium segment, I could hear boos from a number of audience members.
Politics aside, I think Mr. Moore was being disrespectful and deliberately trying to bait an iconic actor like Mr. Heston.
Thats he´s job as an citizen - Who is Charles heston more than being an good actor? He was still living in the civil war still. Nothin. R.I.P
@@mattiaspetersson1876 that makes no sense
it was very disrespectful and manipulative all for his own gain , a cheap shot , a sucker punch .
Iconic actor =/= being right about gun control
Have to admit, when this came out way back in '02 I was glad Moore did this scene as it seemed like a poetic justice. Looking back and on it now it though, it really comes off as bush league. Heston is clearly old, ill, and unable to defend himself or his past actions.
What business is it to you where I'm from... Friendo
@@RitiksVideos Call it.
@@Crooklyn-hx3eo What?
Heston may have been old here, but not too far gone mentally. The reason that Michael wanted to interview him had less to do with a desire to 'bully an old man' than to try and reason with a celebrity who also happened to be the head of the NRA.
@@wylier Gimme a break, he had Alzheimers Disease lol. Look it up. And you can say what you want about Moore's intentions, but going after an old man with a progressive neurological disease such as Alzheimers is not a good look for him. Probably one of many reasons why he's not relevant anymore.
I cannot forgive the way he treated Charlton Heston. Even if I don't agree with Moor's politics, Chuck is a gentleman. He agreed to have an interview with Moore, and Moore took advantage of the situation and made Chuck look foolish. He had been invited to Heston's home and he was treated with courtesy. I winced when I saw the expression on Chuck's face change as he realized that he had been duped. And yet he remained a gentleman and dismissed the interloper with grace. This interview proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that Michael Moor is an ASSHAT and true Garbage Human
He didn't make Mr. Heston look foolish; Michael Moore showed everybody what's he's made of, deceit.
Heston is a fucking asshole. When he was told that a six year old boy killed a six year old girl he barely had ANY reaction at all, he just arched his eyebrows a bit. Wouldn't you have gone "My god", or "That's terrible!" at least???? Heston was a cold, emotionless asshole. Fuck him.
@@SelectiveApathy82 that’s right ! He has no heart ! Shame on him and people like him and other assholes who think the same
@@SelectiveApathy82 Because we here the same shit everyday. It's no different than someone being beat to death. People die everyday, accept it.
@@SelectiveApathy82 His reaction wasn’t super-shocked because it wasn’t the first time he’d heard about that. This part of the conversation starts at 4:36 and runs through to pretty much the end of the interview. At 4:49, after Heston remarks that this was kids with sadness but not shock in his voice and face, and Moore said it was six-year-old kids, he then asks Heston, “Did you hear about this?” to which Heston replied, softly, “Yeah.” Moore then asks again: “A six-year-old shooting a six-year-old?” Heston: “Yeah.”
That’s the sort of reaction I’d have to hearing someone bring up a tragedy involving children that I already knew about or at least had some basic familiarity with. _Shock_ would only enter the picture if it was _news_ to me. Even now, if you were to remind people about, say, Sandy Hook (as horrible as that was), most would express sadness or maybe outrage that nothing was done even after _that,_ but _shock?_ No. We all know about Sandy Hook. We all know about Columbine. And Heston knew about Flint by this point (though _not_ when he was at that political campaign rally for Bush/Cheney [which was _not,_ as Moore tried to make it look like earlier in the film, a “big gun rally” or _NRA_ rally of any kind - Heston was there, _not_ so much as NRA President, but as a famous celebrity supporting his preferred candidate, same as Moore was doing [referenced in this very video when Heston said, _“You_ {Moore} were there for the Vice President {Al Gore, also campaigning in Flint that same day}”] - he said so later in the interview).
It’d take a lot of explanation (and I posted much of it already in that other video’s thread [the MovieClips one] where I “met” you), but _neither_ of the things Moore asked Heston to apologize for at the very beginning of this video and the very end of the interview actually happened. Neither Heston nor the NRA went to either Littleton nor Flint in the immediate aftermath of either tragedy to hold a gun rally for the purposes of either damage control or to rub people’s noses in it.
In brief: the Denver event was a _convention_ that had been planned years in advance with contracts signed and which included the annual shareholder’s meeting that they were _required by law_ to hold, and under the laws of their incorporation could not be canceled or changed without giving all the shareholders [NRA members] a minimum of ten days’ _advance written_ notice. Moore himself said earlier in the movie, in the Denver convention part, that “just _ten days after”_ the Columbine massacre, Heston and the NRA went to Denver, over the objections of a community in mourning, to hold their convention (which Moore _lyingly_ called “a big gun rally” - it was no such thing). The NRA _did_ cancel _everything they _*_could_*_ legally cancel_ of that convention. All the expos, seminars, festivities, and so on. _Only_ the shareholder’s meeting (which is what his speech was from) and a brief meet-and-greet to make sure the attendees were informed of these cancellations was held. Go back and read the transcript of Heston’s NRA speech that I posted to you last night in the other thread. Moore cut out all the parts where Heston referred to it as an _abbreviated_ gathering and talks about how the festivals and such had been canceled,. and he expresses sincere sympathy for the people of Denver (it should also be pointed out here that Denver ≠ Littleton - Littleton is an exurb of Denver and a separate community in its own right, a good long commute away - if Heston and the NRA had rushed there to do damage control or flaunt their gun rights in the faces of the citizens who’d been devastated by that massacre, he and they would’ve gone to *_Littleton,_*_ not_ *Denver!)* and warns that there would be some who’d seek to take their words out of context (like Moore did).
The Flint thing was even worse. Go to the other thread and read my Timeline analysis of just the first eleven seconds of that video (dialogue also found in this video).
Michael Moore is an embarrassment here. He was not remotely interested in what Heston had to say. He kept talking faster, talking over Heston, double-talking, spouting so-called facts that Heston could not verify on the spot before answering a question about, and basically was 100% disingenuous about who he was to get a so-called interview. Really - Moore is a true embarrassment.
"in other countries" ....well go move there.
Not a valid reason
Our country shouldn't even be like this
@@mrflipperinvader7922 ....listening to leftist is what has messed things up and made it this way in America. At this point they can leave if they don't like it here. Sick of constant "well you know in Denmark...." type remarks. We aren't Denmark. If you want things to be like Denmark, go to Denmark.
@@davidlindsay9564 So instead of sticking around to fix problems in our country we should just run away to a place where those problems don't exist? Is that how right wingers think these days?
@@remembertotakeshowerspleas355 when you want to change things to the way that is the very cause of why people flee other countries come here, then yes. This is the greatest country in the world, and the world would be a cesspool of oppression without America.
@@davidlindsay9564 The only people that "flee" Europe for the United States are the ultra wealthy seeking to take advantage of our lax tax infrastructure. The average citizen Denmark and most other western European countries are significantly better off than we are thanks to their supposedly socialist policies regarding healthcare and other public services, never mind their near complete lack of mass shootings.
But yeah, we invented freedom or something so we just completely write off these proven policies that have made countries like Denmark objectivity better places to live the vast majority of their people than the United States. Let's just sit around jerking ourselves off about how fucking awesome we apparently are instead of making an effort to fix our glaring flaws, that worked out so great for the Romans after all.
F- Michael Moore
Actually Mr. Moore, he didn't go to Littleton, CO. He went to Denver, CO for the NRA's annual national convention that had been planned out months before Columbine. Swing and a miss, Michael.
Who cares? He made Heston look like a cold-hearted, unfeeling old reactionary white guy. Which he was. Way to go, Moore.
It was planned over a year before and could legally not be cancelled without more notice.
@@SelectiveApathy82 no he wasn't. Moore combined footage from other events ans and edited out parts to make it seem that way. How does one "feel" like a "white guy" explain that to me racist.
@@SelectiveApathy82 he looked fine to me
I like Micheal Moore but this was a cheap shot at a great man . Charlton Heston was a true American patriot who marched with Dr King and dedicated his life to equality. decency and love of his neighbor . You do good movies Mike but this was a cheap shot .
No. Not a cheap shot. Heston was still in possession of his faculties. While he was suffering from early onset Alzheimers, he was still capable of thinking, reasoning. He certainly wouldn't have approved of giving this interview if he wasn't capable of being interviewed. You feel sad for Heston because he shows the early signs of his illness. That doesn't' take away from the fact that he was president of the NRA when this interview took place.
He told him he was a life time member of the NRA ...Heston was clearly taken off guard and Moore's intentions were clear...that's a cheap shot . He should have told him up front that he was going to take that position but then Heston would not have given the interview ? ..cheap shot .
The Rolland murder happened in Feb 2000, the Heston speech was a GOTV rally EIGHT MONTHS LATER. Given his well publicized record of playing around with chronology to support his point, how is this not a cheap shot? Dems should just give him a lifetime supply of hot fudge sundaes to go away or endorse Trump
Heston was ambush by Moore with false stats and irrelevant questions. Heston kept his guns loaded even though he felt safe and had never been assaulted BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN YOU WON'T BE SAFE! If Columbine hadn't been a gun free zone perhaps less people would have died. I have had a double barrel shotgun shove in my gut before, but hey, I felt safe in that liquor store when I walked up behind the guy at the register.
A man whom goes into a city that recently had a school shooting for the intent purpose of holding a pro gun rally in opposition to high demand for gun reform does not deserve to be treated as some sort of hero just because he marched for civil rights. What he did was tasteless, irresponsible, cruel and arrogant, and he deserved to be called out on it.
I guess I'm what a lot of people call a "liberal" in some ways. I'm sure as hell not a Republican or very conservative.
I think guns should be regulated the way cars/drivers are at least....you should take a test or even just go to a class once in your life...just my opinion. But this interview...this ambush...was the worst thing he ever did. I like a lot of MM's films too but this was a total setup and he took advantage of Heston's generosity.
How would taking a test stop a six year old from shooting a six year old? Or an underage high school kid from shooting up his school? The real question is why would anyone want to do a mass shooting in the first place? Maybe finding that out might stop mass shootings. It's obvious to me its deeper than just guns being available. There is something very wrong with our society that drives people and even children to want to commit mass murder. Take the guns away and they will just move to homemade pipe bombs or something. So then what are we just going to outlaw every item someone uses to commit a mass murder? Gasoline would be illegal pretty quick and cars and so on.
lmao, no.
2:57 Michael Moore is an insufferable prick on his best day but his snarkiness here is particularly contemptible. Mr. Heston was a WWII veteran and Moore is trying to lecture him about German history.
U can’t argue with Moses.
For whatever reason, Heston sincerely believed that the Second Amendment was under serious attack. This interview was shot in 2001. In August of 2002, a few months before this documentary was released in the U.S., Heston announced he was diagnosed with Alzheimer's. By 2008, he was bedridden from the disease, and he died of pneumonia on April 5, 2008, in the home featured in this interview (built during the production of "Ben Hur.") Little did he know, two months after his death, the SCOTUS would for the first time in U.S. history recognize the individual right to bear arms. R.I.P. Mr. Heston.
this movie is full of lies about H and the NRA ..MM is a real fake movie maker ..for money ..sick ! go watch mm hates america on yt
The 2A IS under serious attack.
Protect, preserve and defend our 2A 🇺🇸
AMEN 🇺🇸🇺🇸
Karma
I often wonder, back in the day, who would it have been more interesting to spend an evening with, Mr Heston or Mr Moore? A gentleman or a pig. I hope that's not too harsh of a comment.
It is
Beyond harsh its just uneven. You judge Heston based on your perception of his character but your comment on Moore is seemingly just an attack on his weight. To answer your question I'd rather spend an evening with Heston. Though I wouldn't want to talk that much about politics, I'd just want to talk film with him.
I am not a gun owner, but I do believe in the right of legal gun ownership. California ( which is where Moore lived at the time) has the second strictest gun laws next to NYC and yet assaults from perpetrators with guns and death by gun violence is extremely high. Moores question to Heston should’ve been asked back to him. If guns are the problem, then why does Canada have very few homicides by Gun? Is it that Americans by nature are more violent then the rest of the first world, that we are more ‘trigger happy’ and quick to anger ( road rage, school and public place shootings ). I feel Moore went after low hanging fruit by trying to confront a man who was in the beginning stages of dementia with questions that even he himself cannot answer. It’s been awhile since I’ve seen this documentary in its entirety, but I feel disgust watching Michael Moore in this clip, manipulating the edits to try to score debate points with the audience. I would challenge him to take the same questions to the communities of color leadership and ask them why teenage black and brown boys shoot each other and where many do not live past 30 because of our being quick to anger.
Yeah you've fallen for their trick. Divide and conquer
The music that plays is the theme song of a old kids TV Show Mr Rogers Neighborhood.
No $hit.
Instead of lecturing legal gun owners about why they own a gun as if there the problem he should sit down with criminals and ask why they own a gun,classic case of working from the wrong end of a problem
leave the old guy alone
Heston was such a garbage person
I think MR. Heston realized he was going down fast health wise and in return wanted to secure the Rights for future generations. He was in Hollywood and knew what Hollywood had become.
Say what you will, but Charlton Heston was so sweet!
No he wasn't. He was cold, nonchalant, and detached. I hated him here.
@@SelectiveApathy82 cooler than Michael Moore thats for fucking sure
I was never a fan of him but in his defense he was in the early stages of dementia in this interview or very close.
Well said
Moore and for that matter Heston never do get down to why a second amendment exists written the way it is. in 1776 common citizens in the colonies decided they were not afraid of intimidation by the British army and the governor and they learned of the incoming British army and decided to stand up to them over the issues they had with the current government. The famous Lexington and Concord clash could never have happened if they had permitted the British army to go door-to-door confiscating all firearms. The writers of the Constitution realized that since that is the birth of the country that United States citizens have to have the ability to resist tyranny if the government becomes tyrannical. The citizens confronting the British call themselves a militia and that is why that word was used in the second amendment.
The Constitution is a centuries-old document that is highly flawed in today's modern world. Lots of things about it just don't work in our world. It needs to be amended constantly to fit the needs of today. Of course, that will never happen, as a MAJORITY vote in both Houses is required, and Congress will ever agree on what the amendment should be. Deadlocked forever. Whatever.
@@SelectiveApathy82 Citizens' need and right to resist tyranny when the time arises works perfectly well in our world today. Regimes around the world are able to abuse their disarmed citizens. You only described proposing an amendment. Not the 2/3 of the states needed to ratify.
@@martinishot Yeah that two. Need a 2/3 majority in the states to ratify any amendment. No wonder we can't even fucking amend that wretched old outdated document.
@@SelectiveApathy82 Actually, you need a ⅔ supermajority in both Houses of Congress to even send it _to_ the states _for_ ratification (there is another way but it has yet to be used and I hope it never is), and then ¾ of the states have to actually ratify it.
That’s a nice NRA-propaganda-style whitewashing of the reason behind the 2ⁿᵈ Amendment, but just plain isn’t true. The Framers of the Constitution did _not_ want the people to stand against the government.
They’d just had Shays’s Rebellion which was an armed citizen uprising against a government that the rebels _thought_ had turned tyrannical. It nearly tore the fledgling nation apart. This was back under the Articles of Confederation which had a _much_ weaker federal government (just a single-chamber Congress of the Confederation with very limited powers, and a ceremonial figurehead President of Congress aka “President of the United States in Congress Assembled” which served short indeterminate terms and wielded almost no real power, not even as much as the Speaker of the House does today). So much of a failure was the Articles that popular history barely remembers that they even existed. Can you name a single one of the Presidents of Congress off the top of your head, or even tell me how many there were? Few people without Ph.D.s in American History can.
So, they convened the Constitutional Convention ostensibly to reform the Articles with a few amendments to patch holes in it, but they threw the whole thing out and did the Constitution instead. A couple years later they drafted the Bill of Rights (which originally had _twelve_ Amendments) and sent them to the States for ratification, but only the last ten were actually ratified (the _original_ 2ⁿᵈ Amendment was _finally_ ratified over two _centuries_ later in the late 1980s and is the most recently ratified Amendment: the 27ᵗʰ, barring Congress from passing pay raises for itself that take effect before the next Congressional election).
As proof that they did _not_ intend the Militia to stand against the government if it should turn tyrannical, one need only look at the wording of the Amendment itself. Right-wingers / gun rights activists focus on the “…the Right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed” part (it’d behoove you to look up what “infringed” meant _back then_ - words do change meaning over time), while left-wingers focus on the “A well regulated Militia,…” part, but both sides tend to ignore the _most important_ part which is the part _between_ those two: “… being _necessary_ to the _security_ of a free *State,…”.* State. _Not_ “people.” And that’s not “state” as in what they had thirteen of back then and we have fifty of today. It was “state” as in “NATION-state.” The *government* and the nation as a whole.
Notice also that all Nouns are Capitalized in the Amendment text _except_ “people.” Back then the grammar style was to capitalize nouns in formal legalese documents unless they were considered not as important as other nouns.
What _is_ the purpose of the Militia? This was spelled out in more detail in the Enumerated Powers of Congress in Article Ⅰ (Legislative branch) §8 (Enumerated Powers): “To provide for calling forth *the Militia* to execute the Laws of the Union, *suppress Insurrections,* and repel Invasions.” What’s an Insurrection? It’s an uprising of the people when they feel that the government has become tyrannical and needs to be overthrown or changed by force. You know, like Shays’s Rebellion.
Or, like the Whiskey Rebellion, which was similar and happened shortly _after_ the Bill of Rights including the 2ⁿᵈ Amendment was ratified. Again, some citizens thought the government was tyrannical, so they took up arms. And what did Congress and the then-new President George Washington do? They _mobilized_ *the Militia* to *_put down_** that Insurrection!*
No, the _real_ purpose of the 2ⁿᵈ Amendment is the _180° diametric opposite_ of what the NRA and GOA tell you.
This is so poor
The rantings of a demented old man losing his mind.
nothing says tough like harassing an old man
Conservatives cant answer the question, so they cry out harassment
@@davidyatesmckay The event was planned well over a year before. It can't be cancelled without 2 weeks notice. "Michael Moore hates America" covered this. Moore edited footage from other events to weave a false narrative.
@@liberalbias4462 What answer do you need. A lousy mom left her kid with her POS drug dealing relative has nothing to do with Heston or the NRA
Heston chose to be a symbol for the NRA and to speak for its cause so... tough! He could have broken up the interview any time... Moore pushed and that is his choice.
zachary Florick THANK YOU...
@Lavern another full metal jacket dummshitt
The short answer as to why gun violence is so high here in America is: Gangs & Drugs
That’s actually true. If you take out the gang violence, the USA firearms _per capita_ homicide rate, including mass shootings and such, drops down to about the middle of the pack of other industrialized nations. Gangs are a serious issue, but they’re only so in a few large cities (notably Chicago, D.C., New Orleans, and a few others). If you were to take just _those_ out, the USA would be a bit above the middle of the pack, yet nowhere near the outlier that it is. Also, because gangs are mainly poor people of color, they don’t get considered to be a priority among lawmakers and the media.
Gangs are a serious problem. But the mass shootings are far more newsworthy and get all the press. That said, we really do have a serious problem with mass shootings. Other nations have had them but nowhere near as frequently as the USA. When other nations do have them, they pass real gun control, and then those things don’t happen there hardly ever anymore.
Part of the gangs issue I suspect is lead poisoning, both from substandard water supply (Flint is gonna be in some _serious_ trouble in this regard when the kids who’ve been drinking the water for the past seven years grow into teenagers), lead-based paint still on and in old houses in inner-city ghettos, and yes, even from the bullets fired by the gangs themselves and the cops trying to deal with them infesting the soil and thus perpetuating the problem. This added to the lead poisoning all of mankind encountered due to the invention of tetraethylead and its use in leaded gasoline for decades until the practice was finally stopped (how that was discovered and the process by which it was eventually stopped is a fascinating subject in itself - there was an episode of the second _Cosmos_ series [the one with Neal Degrasse Tyson instead of Carl Sagan] devoted to that subject).
Lead is _devastating_ to the brain, and not just to raw intellect. In the parts of the brain that control morals and conscience and such as well. Lead-poisoned people are _much_ more likely to become criminals, corrupt politicians and businesspeople, domestic abusers, _etc._ It can turn people who would otherwise have been good, even great, people, benefits to society and mankind, into sociopathic monsters who become a danger to everyone. Lead poisoning from the aqueducts (their greatest technological achievement - the first plumbing!) and food preservatives and pewter wine goblets and storage vessels contributed mightily to the fall of the Roman Empire. It’s why the later emperors were basically stupid, evil, insane, or all three.
Another factor in gangs is absent fathers. In all too many cases, the fathers are absent through no fault of their own, having been arrested and imprisoned for decades for minor cannabis possession - “crimes” for which a wealthy or even middle-class white person might be sentenced to rehab and maybe some community service. It’s known that children raised without an active father figure are much more likely to get involved with gangs, as the camaraderie of a gang is an attempt to fill the void left by the absent father-figure. This of course benefits the Prison-Industrial Complex (“for-profit prison” is a phrase that shouldn’t even have ever been _thought_ of in a nation and society that values freedom as we claim to), as it helps raise up a new “crop” of forced prison laborers. It’s an end-run around the 13ᵗʰ Amendment (abolition of slavery and involuntary servitude after the Civil War) using its “except as punishment for a crime” loophole.
The debate about this incident will seemingly go on forever, essentially though these 2 guys do not seem to have much / any disagreement about the second amendment, the issue was that Heston seemed surprised to get a grilling on the finer sociological detail (although surely in his position he should be prepared and equipped for this??) which tells me that Moore had teed it up beforehand as an informal chat and not a "hard interview" - Heston placed his trust in Moore and graciously invited him into his home; however it is the principle of giving a man an inch, and an interviewer can do what they want really - conclusions then are that Heston was a nice guy, but outsmarted by the shrewd and notably intelligent Moore, and that neither bloke's very positive reputation should be considered reduced from what happened here. Two important and good men.
I don't like Moore a lot, but I REALLY don't like Heston. What an asshole.
@@SelectiveApathy82 Ah, good to see you here in this video. I was about to post a link to it to you in the other thread.
There you said that he showed that he didn’t care especially with the part about the Flint thing. Can you give the time-point in this video and exactly what you think made him so uncaring? While he _is_ an actor, he did seem honestly devastated to hear about one six-year-old killing another.
If you’re talking about the rally in Flint, there’s something about that that you may not know.
@@COMALiteJ It's right at the part where Moore shifts the conversation to Flint and starts talking about the six year-old boy murdering a six year-old girl with a gun. Jesus, if Heston's reactions don't come off as cold, detached and nonchalant to you, then you must either be blind or hugely imperceptive. But I guess you could always just blame it all on the Alzheimers, I dunno....
@@COMALiteJ And this is somewhat off-topic, but I have a HUGE problem with highly-nonchalant people in general. They really just make my blood boil. When something utterly shocking and highly emotional occurs, they still act unfazed, like "Hmmm, wow.....heavy stuff huh?". To such nonchalant assholes I say: are you an actual human with blood pumping through your veins or a worthless fucking robot?!
A gun it’s not loaded is a useless gun in responsible hands
Heston was a coward
Sitting at home in quarentine watching vids, came across this. Disgusting how Michale Moore interviewed this old man. After Charton mentioned mixed ethnicity, he knew Moore saw another avenue to probe, a young quick thinking mind with poor intensions, Charton knew better than to go any further in that direction. I'm sure all watching this understood what Charlton ment when comparing Canada to the US. Moore should have backed off, ended the interview on a good note, and thanked the man for inviting him into his home.
*mixed ethnicities", what year is this? what an awful and racist implication
The other day i watched Ben Hur on tv, such a great movie!
Moore had no right whatsoever to ambush this gentleman.Charlton Heston an American
Why did he use "Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood" theme song in this scene??
@Doug Green He doesn't. He mentions the death of a little girl caused by a gun, in the same city CH preached his love for guns a few weeks later.
@Akshay Natu say what now?
@@arthurrottiers6737 At the very beginning (from 0:06-0:44) after Moore has been let through Heston’s gate, greets Heston outside, and is walking towards his pool and tennis house, the instrumental (piano) version of “It’s a Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood” is playing. This is the version played in the closing of episodes of _Mister Rogers’s Neighborhood_ (he sings the version in the opening credits).
Moore or his producers presumably obtained usage rights to that song, and Moore used it to drive home the contrast of the scenes of Flint’s poverty-stricken schools and such that preceded this sequence with the nice (not palatial or ostentatious, but nice) estate Heston owned.
@@COMALiteJ aha I see, well my answer of 'no he doesn't...' was directed to a guy who deleted his answer by now. So there was a small miscommunication as I'm not deaf, but still thanks for the info tho :)
@@arthurrottiers6737 My apologies.
At 0:56 - after Moore shows Heston his NRA Lifetime Membership ID card (which was real - more on that some other time), look up at the old-fashioned Roman-numeraled analog wall clock over Moore’s head. The hour hand is hidden behind Moore’s head, but the minute hand is clearly just past the IX, making it 46 minutes into the hour (or 14 minutes before the next hour).
At 2:12 - more of the clock is now visible. It clearly says about 6:03. So even if it said 5:46 before, somehow we had about 16 minutes of wall clock time traverse in only about 1¼ minutes of video time. Funny thing: on a morning show, Moore told the host that this interview was *UNedited!* Over the next ¾ minute or so, you can see the second hand clearly traversing at a normal speed, and the minute hand moves closer to the “I” so that it’s more like 6:04, so normal time passage. Nothing wrong with the clock!
At 6:10 - we can see the whole clock easily. There’s a tennis racket behind it. It now says about 6:10 (nice coincidence there). So nothing much seems to have been cut here.
Even if we assume that the actual interview began shortly after 0:56 but well before 2:12 and the cut part was just small talk and setup and such, it’d be nice to know what was cut.
@Burr Anderson Uhm, that’s a video of a conversation between Moore and the late atheist Christopher Hitchens, not Charlton Heston. Is there some particular time point in that conversation you want me to focus on?
I am not sure Moore is being completely up front with Heston. He seems hostile to Heston.
Moore was despicable in his misrepresentation of holding the picture of the girl and Heston leaving, I didn't know that that didn't happen. on a lighter note I almost expected Heston to say, now you get the hell out of here, and you tell that goomba if he tries any rough stuff, I'm no band leader LOL
Heston was suffering from Alzheimer's diease for God's sake
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well intentioned but the optics of this gotcha didnt look good, Michael. You have proved that you are not an interviewer.
Kevin Malone?
If he could see what Trump is doing today he'd be appalled. Michael is being an asshole here, but sometimes he is when he drives over the mark and ruiens the interview by being just as rigid.
Michael Moore should apologize to all the children who go to bed hungry each night due to food he displaces that could have been theirs.
Charlton is a frail old man who now is just stinking up the joint.
People act like progressivism is a new post-2010 thing. It's been around for a very long time, but only now do we truly see it for the crap that it is.
Michael moore who?
The guy who made the highest grossing documentary of all time, that's who lol
@@bathumb45 Not really a documentary when its actually fiction.
This was not cool. The man was older and his views changed. He was an outspoken critic of racism. People change as they age. Moore should have known better.
Wow this guy is DBag !!
Han estado borrando mis mensajes, pero dizque los discípulos de George Lucas, Peter Jackson, mark pelington, y este tipo.🐶🐷.
Michael Moore - slime
Moore informed that the murder rate is higher here in USA than it is in Canada.. What? Canada has one of the highest Crime Victim rates in the world !! 7th highest in the world last I checked. USA is not even close at 21st lowest !! Can not believe how Moore would attack an 80 year old man like this.. How mean and cruel can anyone be? Keep in mind that Canada only reports a crime committed by the same person as a single crime stat, where here in USA if the same person commits 10 crimes it is reported as 10 crimes . England , Canada reports it as a single crime which keeps crime stats lower and still they are much higher than USA.
grabir01 victims of crime, and murders, are two, completely different things.
Could be that Canada has 20 times the shoplifting the USA does, it still makes it a hell of a lot safer.
Of course you could criticize Moore’s style of interviewing Heston, who was sick at the time. But let’s not forget at the time Heston was president of the NRA he was healthy enough to promote the, let’s say, questionable gun culture in the US.
I feel like I’m the only one is this comment section that agreed with this. Charles Heston was insensitive to hold that rally and I am glad someone stood up and faced him and told him that.
So he should have cancelled an organized rally that probably took months to plan, because of a shooting that he admitted to in the interview that he didn't even know about at the time? And....he's insensitive....how exactly? I guess he should have got to Flynt, (a shithole city that is plagued with crime and violence) and what? Bought a newspaper to see what crimes had happened in the last few days to ensure not to offend anyone? Your comment is completely illogical.
Because you’re a fucking idiot 😂
I do to brother, Hestons was an ass
Bella, why cant you hold a pro gun rally in a city just because some people shot eachother in that city?
@@colddeadhand7414 as someone training to be an unbiased politian. charleston may have been in declining health during the time of this footage, it doesnt excuse his past. he knew what he was doing back then and it was disgraceful, he was a horrible man for the things he did and was childish enough to walk away from a serious topic discussing his past, disgraceful mistakes that he refused to apologise for. Dead people will still be held accountable for their actions.
Look, I’m for gun control, but shame on you Michael Moore for harassing a man with Alzheimer’s
Why is he harassing him? Heston agreed to be interviewed. That's not harassment. Michael was polite and wanted answers. Heston could leave at any time if he was uncomfortable or wanted to end the interview and he did. No shame, buddy.
Micheal Moore only did one good movie his whole life : Canadian Bacon. Just remember that Micheal Moore did comedy before this, and would sell his soul for a dollar.
My mails are not broken.
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Uff..This didn't age well at all. I still think it's a very good and influential movie but this is really low.
So instead of not to beat about the bush, he should go easy on a man who has defended his views on weaponry for more than 50 years just because of his age? That's pathetic.
Copola, kubric, Guillermo del toro🐶.
Michael Moore is lucky he didn’t interview Django Freeman that way.
Oh, shut up.
HE is such a hypocrite. He made Roger & Me it was after a failed attempt to move out west, after HE shut down his paper and laid everybody off.
'Me is such a hypocrite' sounds like an ungrammatical way of saying that YOU are the hypocrite here. lol
@@wylier sorry about the typo. Now fixed.
@Doug Green How about the Demcrats who just voted to pass that Corona relief bill? True, it was a bipartisan vote, but it's not a 'Republican triumph' by any means.
Peter Jackson, Guillermo del toro, mark pelington, George Lucas, francis copola , de quién son dicipulos?
Um who?
I would call the police and have him removed tell him he’s trespassed
@Pitty Pat - What a pathetic and stupid comment you made about Michael Moore! So typical of right-wing lunatics like yourself who would treat people like Mr. Moore in a rather awful fashion! How sad indeed!
If somebody beats you with your own arguments, you just walk away.
Moorer has NO grasp of European history and the violence and killing WITH knives clubs spears etc Moore is human trash.
A Guillermo del toro, te empellotaste?
La empresa de internet que tiene mi señal es total play.
Quise decir te empeyotaste?
what heston said at 3:37 was priceless. saying what he meant in a way that people could understand, but not in a way that could get him cancelled
and moore says i don't understand. please, moore knew damn well what he meant
Heston was making a good point. The US is not a homogeneous population like the ones Moore was comparing them to.
@@stellarwind1946 correct
@@stellarwind1946 but those countries aren’t all one race except Japan and Korea. Germany France and Britain along with all the Nordic countries are extremely diverse!
@@evanmoorman3828 nevertheless, they are not quite the melting pot of the U.S.
De Zapopan Jalisco.
Mark pelington, reel to reel, juego de la ballena.
For those of you saying that Michael Moore was low for doing what he did, need to get a grip. First, just because Charlton Heston was an old man, doesn't mean that he shouldn't be questioned or criticized for his actions as President of the NRA. Second, for those of you who say that Heston wasn't coherent, that should tell you two things: he isn't fit to serve as President of the NRA and he shouldn't have loaded guns in the house in his condition. Third, asking for common sense gun safety laws isn't communism. When people were killed in car accidents back in the 1970s and 1980s, our country mandated seatbelts, collision control and air bags. Does it save everyone? No. But to say we shouldn't explore and take action to reduce gun violence in this country is the same thing as saying we shouldn't outlaw sexual assault and murder because people are going to do it anyway. I don't accept it and neither do millions of Americans who are tired of mass shootings that have killed thousands of people in the last 20 years. We are living on 20th century model of government that can't keep up with 21st century problems. No action is a threat to national security and the well being of our citizens. It's patriotic to raise questions and to criticize those in power, including Heston, who have done nothing to reduce to gun violence in the US.
I think Ch. Heston has nothing to do with the violence. There is a lot of gun control in USA, but let`s face it, criminals of mental ill people are going to get a weapon anyway. There`s a lot of Countrys where people doesn`t have the right to bear arms and are a lot more violent that USA per capita.
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big house him
When Heston got up and walked away, did it seem like he was retreating? Is that non-verbal communication which indicates that he lost the argument?
it mean he was going for a gun
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Yeah, that made even _me_ cringe and I’m a Heston fan. But he was technically at least partly right. They _were_ for the most part wise, for the most part old (middle aged or older), all dead, all white, and all men, who did the actual founding, though several prominent women and black people also played vital roles.