I'm very impressed by Windsurf, I don't know if it "beats" other IDE's but for me, it's the only AI IDE that helped me make significant changes on existing github repo (I took an open-source repo and added a bunch of features to it that I wanted). I couldn't do that with Cursor, Clien and Aider. For others who know how to code (I don't), story could be different though...
@@fascinatingfactsabout Ya I think it’s really good, will be testing it a lot more to see its strengths and weaknesses. I’ve seen some people say they love it and it’s their favourite and some say they don’t. For me it’s too early to fully understand everything but I think it’s definitely up their as one of the best so far
I have been playing with Windsurf for 2 hours. I have cancelled my Cursor subscription and paid for a Teams level sub for Windsurf. I'll never use Cursor again. The Flow is just too damn powerful. Cursor made me want to through my PC through the window when it forgot something from context a few messages ago. Cline in VS code did it too - and cost me a fortune in API calls. This is the bees knees and, for anyone NEW to Development - THIS IS MUCH MORE INTUITIVE. Even the settings make sense and don't appear to be written by a 4th grader :D
Thanks for the feedback and I noticed it is way more context aware than cursor. The only downside is the unavailability for image upload in cascade . This is crucial for front end development
im also very impressed with windsurf ... I went to paid version 1st day have a large projects and it really handles it very very well. also will build from scratch a full backend and front driven project...does an excellent job. better than cursor , and reasoning and corrective actions are like cline and aider level.
What is your definition of a large project @saabirmohamed636? I am looking to find an AI Coding Assistant that can scale with codebases of 50,000 lines. That is what I would consider a medium sized app. Especially when the libraries I will be using have 30-130k lines of code. (React/Node). That means being able to understand the codebase context, larger context windows and not getting blocked with rate limits like others have reported with Cursor and Codium.
I have been using it since moring, I can say that it beats Cursor Ai and it read all your folder to understand the cotext, also theres no allucination like others The only think the need to add is the visual functional witha capture screen But the impression is code and 10$/month 💪💪✅✅
i have tried and function much better than cursors and when asked to correct it happens perfectly manage also the supabase neon and firebase clerk and nextauth are perfectly integrated
I was planning to subscribe to Cursor two days ago, but this popped up, and I ended up paying for Windsurf instead. I'm still new to AI-assisted IDEs, so I'm not sure how good Cursor actually is.
If it can upload images it would be better than Cursor; Cline (Claude Dev) is still best at the moment. All are using Sonnet 3.5 and tend to remove code that it thinks is irrelevant if the individual script files get over 400 lines.
the problem that i have with cursor is the way the resolver the code sometimes its full of bugs or errors instead with claude is better but its very expensive and limited , i see a huge andvatage for the codium side 10 usd for without limits consults its more affordable
I believe it gives you a trial at the start no matter what so I haven’t tied free version. I think one of main things is Cascade is read only which I wouldn’t want. $10 seems pretty good though for half Cursor and Unlimited gpt and claude
How does it do on rate limits and what LLM’s are supported? I love Cline but the rate limits are terrible and I haven’t found a good alternative LLM to use with it. Looking to replace my Copilot/Chat with AI Toolkit setup with something more robust. Thanks for the videos Josh.
Can we use our own OpenAI/Anthropic/Gemini *API keys* or are we limited to pushing everything through Codeium? I couldn't find anything online about using our own API key and I don't see what happens when rate-limits are extended in Codeium's subscription plan?
@@InspiredScience As of now from everything I can see/find I don’t see anywhere to add your own API keys and there seems the be just OpenAI, Anthropic, and Windsurf models. You do get unlimited though which is nice.
@@joshfpocock - Thank you. When I noticed the limit of 1000 "Cascades" I thought this might be actions. It appears I misunderstood a Cascade, which is their agentic approach. If you get a chance to do a follow-up video showcasing the Cascade feature and comparing it to GPT/Sonnet, I think that would be really interesting to many. Thanks again!
I've been using windsurf all day. It's fucking terrible. In no way is it better than Cursor. idk what the fuck it is with windsurf, but everything I get from it has been trash. It literally just keeps breaking everything and when I mean keeps breaking everything. I mean LITERALLY constantly breaking everything. Even the code IT generates it fucking breaks within minutes. It's literally fucking crazy. Which is interesting because it's still just using 3.5 sonnet. Which makes me think it's not the model, but something codium is doing with w/ the chat. Either way. It's terrible, at least for me. Maybe other people it works out but uh ... Ya. Definitely not a blanket "ITS BETTER".
I tried a very simple project and it failed. I had to ask it EXACTLY what to do which beats the purpose of AI assisted coding. Between Github Copilot Edits and this, idk which is better. Bolt.new literally perfected the simple project I asked Windsurf for within 1 prompt. Haven't really went deep with Cursor so I can't judge.
@@Pixcrafts So, just to make a few notes. I've had ... Mixed results. I've kept using Windsurf, for various things. And ... I'm not sure how to explain it. Sometimes I'll get amazing results. Sometimes it's just garbage. I have a very strict style of how I set up my prompts. I have a prompt.txt file, where I have a context: Instructions: Current Task: Important Notes:, stuff like that. And I fill out all the relevant stuff with what I want it to do. And ... Even though I had great success (Consistently) with cursor... Windsurf idk. Maybe it's when a lot of people are using it so it's overloaded. But sometimes it just puts out garbage. And if I put the EXACT same prompts into windsurf and cursor. I get crazy different results in windsurf. I also did a test during different hours of the day today with windsurf. And each time it generated the results, they were CRAZY different. It doesn't make any sense. It seems like when it works, it works great. But that's the catchy part. You gotta get it to work that like 10% of the time. lol idk maybe some people are just lucky, or maybe their prompts and how they are talking with cascade are better? idk.
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I'm very impressed by Windsurf, I don't know if it "beats" other IDE's but for me, it's the only AI IDE that helped me make significant changes on existing github repo (I took an open-source repo and added a bunch of features to it that I wanted). I couldn't do that with Cursor, Clien and Aider. For others who know how to code (I don't), story could be different though...
@@fascinatingfactsabout Ya I think it’s really good, will be testing it a lot more to see its strengths and weaknesses. I’ve seen some people say they love it and it’s their favourite and some say they don’t. For me it’s too early to fully understand everything but I think it’s definitely up their as one of the best so far
thanks for feedback bro!!
I have been playing with Windsurf for 2 hours. I have cancelled my Cursor subscription and paid for a Teams level sub for Windsurf.
I'll never use Cursor again. The Flow is just too damn powerful. Cursor made me want to through my PC through the window when it forgot something from context a few messages ago. Cline in VS code did it too - and cost me a fortune in API calls.
This is the bees knees and, for anyone NEW to Development - THIS IS MUCH MORE INTUITIVE. Even the settings make sense and don't appear to be written by a 4th grader :D
Thanks for the feedback and I noticed it is way more context aware than cursor. The only downside is the unavailability for image upload in cascade . This is crucial for front end development
@@tomgreen8246 have you tried using updated documentation?
im also very impressed with windsurf ... I went to paid version 1st day
have a large projects and it really handles it very very well.
also will build from scratch a full backend and front driven project...does an excellent job. better than cursor , and reasoning and corrective actions are like cline and aider level.
Ya I agree, very impressed so far! context is very good, and Cascade has alot of stuff Composer doesn’t
What is your definition of a large project @saabirmohamed636? I am looking to find an AI Coding Assistant that can scale with codebases of 50,000 lines. That is what I would consider a medium sized app. Especially when the libraries I will be using have 30-130k lines of code. (React/Node). That means being able to understand the codebase context, larger context windows and not getting blocked with rate limits like others have reported with Cursor and Codium.
Can‘t be better when it uses the exact same AI model claude sonnet. So how is it better in reasoning ? 😅
Do you think it's better than the new Github Copilot Edits?
I m very much less worried that windsurf override or forget parts of my code base. Windsurf is dope
I have been using it since moring, I can say that it beats Cursor Ai and it read all your folder to understand the cotext, also theres no allucination like others
The only think the need to add is the visual functional witha capture screen
But the impression is code and 10$/month 💪💪✅✅
i have tried and function much better than cursors and when asked to correct it happens perfectly manage also the supabase neon and firebase clerk and nextauth are perfectly integrated
Thank you - very valuable
Would be much better if you would give a recap of strength + weaknesses on alternatives for various use cases
This looks really cool, thanks for the video.
I was planning to subscribe to Cursor two days ago, but this popped up, and I ended up paying for Windsurf instead. I'm still new to AI-assisted IDEs, so I'm not sure how good Cursor actually is.
would love to know pros and cons vs cursor so that people decide which to chose
agreee
Excellent thanks for sharing.
@@LucesLab thanks for watching!
What is different between cline and Windsurf ?
Cursor allows you to upload an image and explain things . I believe its missing in WindSurf right ?
It also lacks links to webpages, like how to use Auth.js or the latest version of shadcn.
Phenomenal
If it can upload images it would be better than Cursor; Cline (Claude Dev) is still best at the moment. All are using Sonnet 3.5 and tend to remove code that it thinks is irrelevant if the individual script files get over 400 lines.
Hi how do we use live preview ? Like how can we see the live app while we work on it
the problem that i have with cursor is the way the resolver the code sometimes its full of bugs or errors instead with claude is better but its very expensive and limited , i see a huge andvatage for the codium side 10 usd for without limits consults its more affordable
Cursor confuses itself, I went back to VS Code because of it and used CLINE when needed... now... Windsurfing is my new hobby.
What would you prefer cline or windsurf ?
But it doesn’t have a docs(
Not impressed, i cant figure how it get last docs , i added a repo but it give me old colmando not updated
Is the free version good?
I believe it gives you a trial at the start no matter what so I haven’t tied free version. I think one of main things is Cascade is read only which I wouldn’t want. $10 seems pretty good though for half Cursor and Unlimited gpt and claude
WIndsurf is pretty damn good. Obviously doesn't get past the massive limitation of the LLMs though.
How does it do on rate limits and what LLM’s are supported? I love Cline but the rate limits are terrible and I haven’t found a good alternative LLM to use with it. Looking to replace my Copilot/Chat with AI Toolkit setup with something more robust. Thanks for the videos Josh.
Use openrouter bro, unlimited sonnet api
Unlimited.
0:35 !
Can Windsurf 2 be built with Windsurf in one day?
I like the context management concept but it keeps getting hung so I'll probably stick with Cline.
In pro plan is limitation to 1000 calls per month, what that's mean???
I just use Cline with Openrouter in vs code
Can we use our own OpenAI/Anthropic/Gemini *API keys* or are we limited to pushing everything through Codeium?
I couldn't find anything online about using our own API key and I don't see what happens when rate-limits are extended in Codeium's subscription plan?
@@InspiredScience As of now from everything I can see/find I don’t see anywhere to add your own API keys and there seems the be just OpenAI, Anthropic, and Windsurf models. You do get unlimited though which is nice.
@@joshfpocock - Thank you. When I noticed the limit of 1000 "Cascades" I thought this might be actions. It appears I misunderstood a Cascade, which is their agentic approach.
If you get a chance to do a follow-up video showcasing the Cascade feature and comparing it to GPT/Sonnet, I think that would be really interesting to many.
Thanks again!
Bro you need a backlight to git rid of that spill over of your green screen.
How is it better when it uses the exact same AI model claude sonnet lol.
cody extension is better it provides claude 3 sonnet for free
7 minutes to review site and reading from site…
problem is it still dosent have image or internet access
Cursor is better .....
I've been using windsurf all day. It's fucking terrible. In no way is it better than Cursor. idk what the fuck it is with windsurf, but everything I get from it has been trash. It literally just keeps breaking everything and when I mean keeps breaking everything. I mean LITERALLY constantly breaking everything. Even the code IT generates it fucking breaks within minutes. It's literally fucking crazy. Which is interesting because it's still just using 3.5 sonnet. Which makes me think it's not the model, but something codium is doing with w/ the chat. Either way. It's terrible, at least for me. Maybe other people it works out but uh ... Ya. Definitely not a blanket "ITS BETTER".
I tried a very simple project and it failed. I had to ask it EXACTLY what to do which beats the purpose of AI assisted coding. Between Github Copilot Edits and this, idk which is better.
Bolt.new literally perfected the simple project I asked Windsurf for within 1 prompt. Haven't really went deep with Cursor so I can't judge.
@@Pixcrafts So, just to make a few notes. I've had ... Mixed results. I've kept using Windsurf, for various things. And ... I'm not sure how to explain it. Sometimes I'll get amazing results. Sometimes it's just garbage. I have a very strict style of how I set up my prompts. I have a prompt.txt file, where I have a context: Instructions: Current Task: Important Notes:, stuff like that. And I fill out all the relevant stuff with what I want it to do. And ... Even though I had great success (Consistently) with cursor... Windsurf idk. Maybe it's when a lot of people are using it so it's overloaded. But sometimes it just puts out garbage. And if I put the EXACT same prompts into windsurf and cursor. I get crazy different results in windsurf. I also did a test during different hours of the day today with windsurf. And each time it generated the results, they were CRAZY different. It doesn't make any sense. It seems like when it works, it works great. But that's the catchy part. You gotta get it to work that like 10% of the time. lol idk maybe some people are just lucky, or maybe their prompts and how they are talking with cascade are better? idk.
They're all garbage bro. Keep it real man. And I can't use my own keys which means I am stuck with their clearly inferior model
The answer is absolutely no… it blows.
I agree. So far, no good. I do everything with free Sonnet on Zed.