Super Reverb Vs. Super Reverb - Tubes vs. Digital "Tone Master" - Filmed at
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Sweetwater let me film in their new store for a few days so I took the oportunity to finally try out one of the new Fender Tone Master amps, as an added bonus I had them haul out the tube version for a side by side comparison. Which sounds best? Which should you buy? well thats all very subjective. Tune in to decide for yourself.
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Every video I have seen of any of the Tonemaster amps, I have been impressed and generally preferred them in comparison. I'm a 62 year old tube guy...so it's crazy.
Finally! They did it! I heard the first amp and shook my head. “Solid state amps always sound thin and lifeless” I thought. The second one sounded so much more balanced and full, I thought it was obvious. And accepted I had to stick with tubes. How happy I was to find out I was wrong!
I've heard them both on stage with a band, and good luck picking the difference :-)
14:55 the tube amp is compressing the signal, the solid state amp is leaving it open so you wind up with more highs and fizzy bits.
The highs are super annoying. It's too processed to my ears. Without being in the room and feet away, I just can't around that sterile sound. It lacks character.
@@joellebrodeur1015 it will only get better. Solid state has come very far and will continue to improve. Tubes will be around for some time but eventually they may be phased out due to production costs/materials. Fender is trying to get ahead of that by producing the Tonemaster series and I think they're doing a great job. I look forward to what improvements they'll make
@@Sorakorra You, my friend might have been onto something 3 months ago.
In the last 2 years since they brought out the Tonemaster, the verdict is in. And it is a thumbs up for the Tonemaster. The slight difference that you pointed out is completely outweighed (pun intended) by the advantages that the TM offers, such as the attenuator, the line out and the lighter weight would be enough to sell it over the tube version.
But then Fender has also added the ability to add new firmware to the TM and change it's characteristics, such as removing the bright cap or changing to the blonde version (and back again).
Companies have been dicking around with this concept since the 80's and it feels like Fender finally found the right recipe and also gave the user some unique features and abilities to fine tune your own sound.
My dreams of going from my current Super Champ (which is a solid performer) to a Princeton reissue have gone out the window. I'm now all-in on a new Deluxe Reverb TM for this Xmas, and I'll have enough dough left over to sweeten the deal with a couple pedals so that I can "Surf Out!"
So I have both the TM Suoer and a Princeton 65 Reissue. I absolutely love both. The Princeton has a sweetspot in the volume that I can't get to when my kids are home, hence the purchase of a Tonemaster. The TM sounds unreal and is extremely convincing. I have no want for a tube Super Reverb. I will say the Princeton "feels" more organic. The TM feels good but the real tube Princeton is just a little more reactive and has better feel under the fingers when playing. You can't go wrong with either but the tone master is more flexible due to the attenuator. Play both if you can before you decide on one. I had the Princeton first and I will never let it go. I also had a super champ x2, and yes it's a solid performer. However both the TM or the Princeton put it to shame. You'd be happy with either.
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I agree with all you have said here regarding the more "organic" feel of the Princeton "tube" vs the TM (BTW, I'm going for the Deluxe Reverb version), and I still feel the pull towards the Princeton.
But after all is considered, and I have played them all, I am going for the TM, for all of the advantages listed so far.
I’d love to see how much psychology plays a part. If a player (tester) believed the TM was the tube and vice versa, what would their impression be?
Actually some people took off the "tone master" logo. I think it's a great idea.
I would still hate the tone master super reverb. Even if someone lied to me.
@@Dannys.channel Most of us don’t have a superior ear like you, though.
I totally guessed it wrong before he revealed them
they still sound slightly different... so the same impression. No 2 amps sound the same.
I love that you have such a lighthearted attitude and aren't a major jock about this stuff. Great content.
Weight relieved knobs, that's some F1 level engineering.
I can't wait to check one of these out in person, I've heard many people say the differences between them is less than the differences between two tube amps as the variance is so large in those old-style components.
Dimebag had a really good point: Tubes sound thick and warm and wrap you up. SS/digital cuts you to the bone. I like the cleanliness and clarity of my SS amp.
My main surf amp is a vintage Acoustic Control solid state amp and it sounds amazing, different than tube but still shocking how good it sounds, especially for that kind of music.
This is the first I've heard about the Tonemaster series; love the idea, but dang it just didn't cut it with any fuzz or distortion.
Also probably doesn't cost Fender much more than making a Champion, so the price tag could definitely be a little more approachable.
The speakers alone cost 400 $
Both sound great. Just eq’ed differently. Both have useable tones. I want to see how much those Tonemasters used will sell for in five years.
Well, at least eight months later it looks like they go for around $1000 used at this point. So far they seem to be holding their value pretty good. Will be interesting to see how it ages though.
Just bought one $750 mint
I just love this guitar nerdiness.. and the vintage sound of the tube
I am looking at both these amps so thank you for this side by side. For my needs the Tone Master is my choice.
I gigged with 1967 SR from 1993 until last year when I got a Tomemaster Twin Reverb. Do they sound different? Sure. I set it at 40 watts and it sounds killer. In a loud live rock n roll mix, no one has, or is going to be able to tell it’s a digital amp. I miss using my Super, but the weight alone make the Tonemaster a winner for me
Its kind of simple , IF you have roadies moving your amp for you and can afford premium sound always you go for the TUBE MODELS. If you have to do your own schlepping of equipment the, tonemaster line of amps is a no brainer.
Ryan, Laddie. I just picked up a new T.M. Super. I'm 63 and (originally) from Glasgow. My first amp was a Super Reverb head into (wait for it), a 2x15 Fender bass cab. It was the late 70's in Scotland and I was in a (combo) AC/DC and Black Sabbath cover band. The sound was massive. I traded the head and always wanted the grand sound of the 4x10 combo. But me lower back kept me from it. This amp is a dream come to. And in yer video, some things sound identical, some not. But as we know, if you lined ten different Fender Super Reverb tube amps up in a row, I promise you they'll all have differences. Love yer content. Haste Ye Back, Ryan. 🍀🎸🍀
I absolutely love my tone master even recording sounds better in my opinion and being able to play on 1,5,12,22,or45 watts makes it perfect!
I immediately felt like the tone master was a little cold and brittle compared to the regular one. Since there was plenty of bass in the eq, it was easy to feel. But he’s right about the speaker difference. I’d love to A/B these with the same speakers
The spring reverb and tube compression is the difference . Love both of them.
I can hear a difference, both sound good though. For price, weight and durability probably these tonemasters are great amps.
Just got mine. Its amazing in every way. I was eager to find things to not like about it as a tube amp purist but it is unbelievable. A steal for the price and every time you have to move it you’ll thank yourself.
Honestly Ryan, when you went to the one finger lift test. I cringed just a little expecting a similar guitar bump situation. LOL Might have been a good way to get a discounted new amp. LOL
I bought one of these off the used rack a few months back and absolutely love it!
I love my twin tone master. I gig a lot and it’s easy to carry around from venue to venue. Takes pedals great
Do is cut through the band mix?
@peter yes does great. I play country and classic rock
Points for the Surfrajettes shirt, gotta love that band! Everyone needs to check them out.
I prefer the Tone Master, the other is much more expensive with many disadvantages. For one, how much are replacement tubes going to cost 20 years from now?
I did not hear a lot of difference between the amps and sometimes small adjustments (and/or pedals) can change which one sounds better. The TM sounds great and the weight and the attenuator and the $700 savings add up to a win for me.
I admit I am not a die-hard tube guy, I currently play through two Mustangs, a LT-25 at home and GTX100 out so I am a Fender modeler amp lover. Can't beat the GTX100 for the price, period.
I tend to agree. Playing a good, modern, modelling amp is way different than any cheaper solid state from not even too long ago. I have some Vox amps; AC15, AC10, AC4tv and I love them. I also have a Spark amp and I love that as well. It's reactive like my throat be amps and I'd imagine these tone masters are reactive much in the same way their counterpart is since they are directly modelling only one amp and it's what's considered to be the best attributes from vintage examples. Come to think of it, I bet that's why it sounds different from the tube variant here... Put a vintage super reverb next to a reissue and you'll hear a difference and put two Supers next to each other and your likely gonna hear a small difference--well, not unheard of (pun intended) at least.
Fun fact: I was watching a Surfrajettees video when I got the notification for this video. I noticed his shirt too.
I think you are being highly optimistic if you think any digital amp will stand the test of time better than analog technology. Tubes may get a bit more expensive as time goes on, but any decent amp tech will be able to keep the tube amp working for you for decades... The digital one? Amp techs may not even agree to service them. And how many tube amps from the 50s, 60s, 70s do you still see kicking around on the market compared to digital modelling amps from the 90s? How many people do you see still using computers from even 20 years ago? How many computers have ended up in landfill compared to vintage tube amps?Just saying. If durability and low maintenance are big issues to you, I'd suggest you consider analog solid state options. Orange Crush amps have nailed tube tone. Quilter Labs have as well, and they have that Fenderish sound. I have an early 90s Fender solid state amp that has been one of my main workhorse amps for thirty years, even though I also used lot of tube amps.
We have similar post and if you would, please read my post and elaborate as I would love to hear your comments/thoughts 👍
@@darwinsaye I'd agree but with a caveat. A tube amp and a cup mouter are way different. You can't even use a computers that's more than 10 years old. Shit, Fenders current Super Champ X2 was obsolete the year it came out. This really depends on the type of modelling amp one has. The tone masters are modelling but not like a Mustang, or a katana, spark etc... I agree that a tube amp is serviceable and you likely won't get a tech to fix a tone master. Is it reliable? We don't know. For that reason I do believe they should be much less money. You're right but so much remains to be seen really. The tone masters sound and behave like tube amps too. I like the idea behind them. I wish they were more reasonably priced though. They could make their money back for R and D over time with sales versus trying to recoup right away.
Some tech's won't touch anything with circuit boards.
This is a really great demo! So glad I thought so see if you’d compared these. One of the best side by sides.
I have also noticed that when people listen to the tone master in isolation they never seem to nit pick it as much. You almost need to set it side by side with the tube to be bothered in some cases.
if you switched the tags on these amps, alot of tube guys would say they prefer the tonemaster LOL.
Ive A/B'ed these (the twin version) as well and the margin of difference easily fits within the gap between one tube amp and another (and another and another...) as you noted.
one thing to keep in mind on these fender amps, including the TMs is that the tone knobs do ALOT. Even a half step from 5 to 4.5 on the treble can really dial out high end that may be bugging you. it was a pleasant suprise to me how well they work. you can dial out a slightly irritating high on a driven tone w/o going too dark or muddy. its impressive. on the other side, hitting that bright switch can make a pleasant difference when needed. between that sculpability and the other flexible benefits of less weight and an attenuator makes the TM a winner. not the exact same, but a def. winner. You can actually sit in a room and explore the sound of a dimed or near dimed twin without destroying your ears or having the cops come to your house... when has THAT ever happened?
Wow I actually thought the second amp sounded better and was the tube amp. Here’s the true dilemma that I think most people are faced with when buying a digital lamp. Once something goes down on that amp and it’s outside of it’s warranty, it’s my understanding that the amp gets tossed and it’s not worth fixing. Unlike a solid-state amp, a digital amp is very complex and involved and not worth fixing. This is what I heard 10 years ago when Fender started releasing their famous mustang amps which I still have from 10 years ago and is still going strong thank God. If I’m wrong here, someone please correct me and explain why. At the end of the day if you’re paying over $1000 for what may be a disposable amp, I’m not sure that I would invest in that myself.
That's the question right... How long will they last? Can they be fixed by anyone except Fender? Is the cost worth getting it fixed? It doesn't need upgrades or software refreshes so it's sorta like a SS version of a digital amp. I do think their cost is too high. They don't have a reliability record to fall back on. The best way to justify a cost of one would be to buy a used one. This is scary though since you'll forfeit any warranty that way. If one buys from, say, Guitar Center as a used amp there would be an option for warranty. Worth it then to buy used.
The tube version he's playing has a printed circuit board, so if anything breaks on either one of these two amps, it's kaput. That's why people pay $3500 for a hand wired fender or maybe a boutique. Me, I'm in love with the Fargen Blackbird 30 with one tube removed. Black face tones but MUCH better, plus if I break a potentiometer at a bar, I can simply solder another one in rather than tossing the whole thing in the garbage.
I’d really like to see a 59 bassman tone master.
Yes! and make it in both 4x10 combo version and a stand alone head version.
They did it! It's out and available now! 4x10 version only... 👌👍
I got a deluxe reverb tonemaster for my room. It attenuates to low volume and I never have to worry about changing tubes. It is light too. I'm not saying a tube version would not sound better, but seriously how much better is it for all the other stuff you gotta put up with? If you're just playing alone in your room like me it's really the best option if you ask me.
At bedroom volumes I bet that rocks, and it's the prefect use for a tonemaster! For stage volume where you want to feel the sound, not just hear it, a tube amp just has it. I have a 65 deluxe reissue and I absolutely love it. 10 years now, and haven't had a single tube fail.
@@Medicated1 those are some good tubes. I had a hot rod for the longest and never got the tubes changed. I was told I should change them every year. Seems so impractical. Getting it biased and whatnot that often. What's your secret.
@@legatomodi3522 I don't use it much anymore, maybe once a month, I use a cheap line6 at home. Some tubes can last seemingly forever. I have seen amp repair videos where 50 year old amps still have their original tubesets and they still test out fine. It's like a lottery. Sometimes you win.
Tube to me is actually allot better, so for me the other stuff is perfectly fine.
I aggry my friend
I was shocked but to my ear the Tone Master sounds better to me!
Clearer, brighter and consistent!
Even with the fuzz!
The tube on fuzz seems to fall apart by comparison.
There's a lot of good stuff about the Tonemaster. But if I'm going to give up my tube combo amp Ryan, they could really get me if they put this Super model out as a pedalboard, straight-to-PA box with a built in IR loader.
the tone master is a digital amp right...but its called a super reverb...they couldve added a reverb tank to it...keep the digital reverb...but give us the drip man!
Sorry, tubes rule, it doesn't matter if a super dsp is used, the feeling in front of the amplifier will always favor analog ones, in this case those that use thermotronic tubes.
Good work, I like this channel.👍
Seems like the boosted mids on the tube could be addressed with EQ adjustment. Nice clean tones from both.
Excellent comparison. Best thing to do, never A/B your amp with anything else and you'll be fine
exactly. in a real application, if you were noticing a bit too much top end, you'd dial down a tad and everything is fine. every amp is a little different and needs specimen specific adjustment, just like guitars are different. however, the TMs are probably most consistent with each other just due to being digital
In 10, 20, 30 years, people will still be talking with reverence about the Super Reverb tube/tube reissue amp and it will remain highly sought after, not the Tone Master. Both good amps, one is a legend.
I liked both but not being in the room and only hearing the UA-cam final sound somewhat makes it tough. I still love my Deluxe Reverb blonde Tone Master. I just play at home and the attenuation is the business. Great sound.
It ticks 2 out of 3 boxes… ☑️ looks, ☑️ weight, ❌ sound .. it sounds nice but not like the real deal it’s supposed to. “All that processor power to simulate just one amp “… and it fails in that regard to my opinion. Maybe with version 2 Fender will improve.
Great review btw 👍
That's the thing isn't it, I feel like Fender might be on to something here, but its not quite refined enough yet. Wouldn't be surprised at all to see a "v2" in a few years.
When using the distorted sounds , its blindingly obvious ! . With the classic cleaner sounds not so much so . Would happily use both .
You're right about the pedals bringing out some differences. They both sounded close clean, but as soon as you turned on the fuzz it was very clear to me which was the tube amp and which wasn't (tube has natural and pleasing compression, Tonemaster too fizzy). I do think the Tonemaster has a place. The weight factor is a big one in a 4x10 amp. Ultimately though, the sound for me is number 1. I'm skeptical Tonemaster will hold their value over time, and once they inevitably break I doubt they will be easy to fix. I've acquired enough knowledge to work on my tube amps, but once a dsp chip goes I doubt it will be easy or cost effective to replace. You got to figure there will be a Tonemaster v2, v3, etc at some point too which could hurt resale value. On the other hand, with tubes getting harder and harder to find and more expensive ... I guess its nice we can have something close that doesn't need 'em :-)
tonemaster is a good backup for a professional musichan. i'm not a professional but if i di giggin around i will go with a tonemaster. not with my Deluxe Reverb that remains lovely at my house
A superbly interesting video, Many Thanks. I am 80 years old and a gigging musician on both Guitar and keyboards. I have just sold by tube twin because of the weight and love my twin tone master. The tone master is a bit brighter overall, but a hell of a lot lighter! It just has a great sound though. Thank you so much for this really good video. 😎
I would love to hear them running into the same speaker cab. The highs are harsh in the Tonemaster especially with the pedal. Maybe a compressor pedal would help the Tonemaster. For a rock band the tube amp sounds better, but if you played jazz gigs, surf or light blues, the Tonemaster would probably be great.
I play loud ‘60s garage rock and after gigging with my ‘67 SR SINCE ‘93 I got a TM Twin last year and it’s fantastic.
Not sure if the cabinet's are the same material, but according to the specs it appears they are both using the same Jensen P10R alnico speakers.
@@ILuvJazzNJava
12" speakers.
@@BryanClark-gk6ie are you saying it has 12” speakers? Neither does according to the spec sheet at least.
A little compression on the tonemaster and a little adjustment on the eq of the amp and it would eliminate that thinner sound. All in all still sounds great!
Back in 70's and the 80's I could hear the difference between a solid state and a valve/tube amp. When I say this I mean "BLIND". Without seeing the amp I was plugged into I would know. Not because I was I tone expert, but because there was just a lot of difference. Back then valve/tube was the best no doubt. Then when we hit 2000, doing the same thing with a solid state and valve/tube was not as easy. But could get more right than wrong. In the last few years I really wouldn't get ANY right in a blind test. It has to be BLIND, because your eyes take over from your ears, if you KNOW WHICH IS WHICH. We ALL have the "EXPENSIVE IS BEST" brain set, from guitars, PUPs, and amps.
Lets get REAL on the pros and cons, valve/tube amps have ONE pro, they sound good. Look at the cons... 1 HEAVY, 2 EXPENSIVE. 3 INCONSISTANT, you don't always get the same sound. Playing in a cold place/warm place, you will not get the same sound. If you gig you will know this. 4 HIGH MAINTENANCE (again expensive), those valves/tube blow more often than you would think and always at the wrong times. 5 LONG WARM UP (20 to 30 mins plus.). 6 SOUND BEST AT HIGH VOLUME, NOT AS GOOD AT LOWER VOLUMES. Solid State have NONE of these problems and the fact is NOW SOLID STATE ACTUALLY SOUND BETTER THAN Valve/Tube Amps. But if you have more money than sense keep telling your self that VALVE/TUBE Amps are better than SOLID STATE.
Tonemaster sounds fine. So much cork-sniffery in the comments.
Whoa.. the clean Tone Master captured the scooped/sag I remember from originals.
Timing couldn't be better for this... I looking at amps and researching the Fender line-up and trying to consider traditional vs tone master. Thanks! Looking forward to the episode.
I have a Super Champ and have longed for a new Princeton reissue for years. Since the Tonemasters came out and have gotten good reviews up and down, I slowly began to change my mind. Then I went and tried out the A/B, like Ryan here and I'll order my new Deluxe Reverb TM as soon as my current amp is sold.
You need to do a video on the Tone Master Princeton Reverb!... Please. Your channel is awesome by the way!
I think it's the way a digital amp fails to grab the note at the attack. It's in the dynamics. They still just can't get the natural acoustics down. It sounds like the "idea" of how it should sound.
But it's not digital. Its solid state
The store looks like a fun destination! 40 minutes, maybe time to switch to a humbucking-loaded guitar?
6L6 wins the cake
During the fuzz shootout, with the carcosa, i kept looking away from the screen and I found myself going “oh! I like that one better!” And looking and seeing you were playing the tube. And then I’d do the same thing and find myself preferring the tonemaster. From moment to moment my preference switched lol
That, Zachary, that is very relevant and most interesting. 🍀🎸🍀
The tube version produces a fuller, enveloping overall sound... it sounds like a tube amp. The tonemaster brings about 80% of what the tubes are bringing overall, similar, but clearly different. With adjustments and programmable downloads, you can probably get closer, but not true to the tube tones. Still a great amp and the attenuation available on the Tonemaster makes it more versatile for playing at home as well as ear-bleeding gigs... and the weight relief is undeniably a benefit. Agree with you on the Reverb comments
There are some factors to consider.. every tube amp is going to sound different, if you ten tube supers each one would sound different that just the way it is ,and the reason why is the parts available in the assembly line differ in quality depending where fender gets them, also the bias and groove tubes the use are inconsistent, I am a tech and have done a lot of biasing and tube swaps ,example if you retube with JJs which is the norm around my neck of the woods and your bias setting of hot medium or cold makes a difference in sound.
How have said all that
The plus on the tonemaster besides being light weight is the consistency of the amps. They will all come from the factory sounding the same stock with no filmware updates.the only factor and this is with all amps is new speakers not being broke in.. but if don't count the speakers the tone master shines,.
Fender has done a great job of matching the tone cararistics of the super reverb and its consistent. And some bells and whistles like power settings , cab out .
I personally think and this just my opinion ,the amp is priced a little high, I would bet if you opened one up you would see hardly nothing inside probably a small module and ribbon cables going to the control panel. And that lead to another question ....are they fixable? Or are the the new TVs out there there basically none repairable in other words if cost more to fix than it's worth so they become disposable..
Only time will tell...
I would like to have one ,I think they sound great ,I like the Di and the attenuator is very usable.
I may look later on they are just came out and none on the used marker yet maybe you can save alittle buying used, but to me 1200 bucks is high for the amp and Fender getting that for it so that's that.
Anyways I like the amp like try one out for a month ,get thru the honeymoon stage and see if I still like it..
Best comment ! 🍀🎸🍀
I came REALLY close to buying a TMSR yesterday but rethought it at the last minute Why?? I need another amp around here like I need another hole in my head!!! I had a BFSR back in the 70's (I'm very old!!) and I don't recall why I sold/traded it off. Yeah, I do.. the suckers are HEAVY!!! At least 65#, maybe a bit more. I really, really like the sounds coming out of the TMSR that you were demoing here. Surprisingly, I cannot demo one near me as all the shops don't have any in stock. If I buy one it's going to be on faith and YT Videos. BTW, that's not necessarily bad, let me tell ya'... I don't play out anymore so getting yet another amp (I already have 10) is just stoopid.... but I may yet get one anyway after brewing over it for a bit more time. NICE REVIEW!! 👍👍
Just got to the pricing at the end. The price difference is $850. So the tube version is almost 70% more. That’s the price of a solid pedal board build out too.
I think there's more romance than reality associated with tube amps.
How many here have a tube home theatre setup?
If only that was true ! .
True but nothing moves air like a cranked tube amp. Being in the room with a tube amp is such a rush. I have yet to find a really good modern solid state that can do that. They're getting there, but not quite there yet.
Got the TM Twin last year, gig with it all the time (indoors, outdoors) love it, i actually use a tube Deluxe as it's backup
The reverb is the biggest thing. My ears immediately knew which one was real. It’d be interesting to hear them through a cab with an outboard reverb.
exactly...i hate the fake reverb thing
$1,000 cost difference here in 2024. That’s significant. There is some tube rattle or something going on in that particular tube reissue - I wouldn’t expect that in every reissue amp, just a bad preamp tube or spiders on the speaker 😂
All Tube... All Day for me. I don't care how much it weighs, and I'm almost 70 years old!. Close...but no way is the "Tone Master ", the Master in this tone test.
got the tone master Deluxe Reverb and it is fantastic
I had an old tube one, the hum from it was like always jamming with yoko. It had that chime though…….
awesome comparison. very valuable to my amp purchase research. also, your hair looks like a glorious version of trump's with that hot light on it.
Turn the bright switch on in the tube amp and see if it can emulate the bright reverb sounds on the tonemaster% then try to adjust the tonemaster to see if it can emulate the darker reverb tone of the tube amp sound. In other words can each one emulate the tone of the other. Then go and compare both of them to an Alessandro modified Super reverb RI. You will be amazed at-the Alessandro.
Awesome Amp Room, Ryan!
Just get one of the Sansamp Fender dedicated models - its still analog response and the positives outweigh the negatives for me with it vice the real tube amp. Its easier to work with and can do much more in literally any situation at a professional level.
I played one of these next to the real tube counterpart and they sound similar but when you play them dry I noticed that the tube version has more punch and attack. When using reverb this is less apparent. The reverb sounds very similar in both. I then played the tone master next to the katana 100 artist and the katana had way more punch and life to it... except the reverb sounds a bit better on the tone master... but again the katana sounded much better for some reason. But I need to try them again with different guitars. I have never been much of a fan of the twin reverb amps though because they don't have as much punch and attack and fullness as let's say a fender blues DeVille tube amp or Peavy classic 50 for clean playing... but they do have a certain reverb sparkle to them which is cool for some music. There are definitely benefits to the tone master but I'm not sure I would pay over $1000k for it. I would probably take a katana 100 for half the price with more connectivity and punch or a real tube amp... but I do understand the benefit of this amp being so light weight. But I just used a dolly to lug my tube amp around so I don't ruin my back. It's still a pain but the tone of my tube amp is perfect...
The guitar is a Fender Nashville Deluxe Series.
The spring reverb feels splashier and better in the tube amp too. And the lack of compression makes the highs and upper mids in the TM a little harsh and ice-picky
this is the best comparison.. this is how it should be done.. one after the other.. not too much blah blah..thanks dude
You did the best demo as I watched. Thank you !
So now ... jump the gap ... or not ....xD
I have no problem differentiating between the tube and digital amps while listening to the broadcast.
Sweet playing on your part I do have the 65' re-issue super.
Out of pure curiosity I would have liked to hear the Katana next to those two, on a Fendery setting. How much quieter/different/worse (or better lol)?
The dod carcosa is such a great fuzz pedal. It's one of my favorites and has a permanent spot on my board.
Have both. Love them both. Would welcome a TM Bassman.
Acc when he said thered be a diff between 2 tones masters i dont think so. The point of the tm is consistency not just recreating the sound. U cant get that on an acc tube amp. There will more likely
Be equal differences between 2 tube sr and the tm and sr. And on the fuzz front i think it sounds bad into a clean amp and the tube sr was no exception. Ive heard tone masters with fuzz being run behind an od and it sounded great.
The reverb was so rich on the tube version, that may sway some opinions.
kills the fake toastmaster
I think it was important tthat Ryan did a few neck limbering up exercises at the beginning.
This video would not have been the video that it was otherwise.
Nicely done. 😎
I think the speakers may be the biggest difference, or at least a correctable difference. You could swap two of the four speakers in the Tonemaster for perhaps alnico's and round out the tone and only up the weight a skosh. You would still be a few hundred bucks under the cost of the tube, with the added power scaling and other features.
The TM Super has the same speakers as the tube version, which are Jenson P10R's Alnico speakers. The Twin and Deluxe TM's have the Neodymium speakers.
Bright, crisp winter air with fuzz and Tone Master/ dank, moist summer night with fuzz and tube. Different strokes. The brashness might do better in a mix, but cut to the tube when the band takes five.
The only thing that bothers me about the Tone Master Super Reverb is that it cannot handle distortion at extremely high volumes. It’s hard to suscribe, but something happens to it when really pushed where it seems to lose clarity in the notes and becomes “flubby”. For all other purposes it performs and sounds fine, and is my preferred amp for gigging. If I need an amp to handle high gain then I lug my 65 Reissue Twin Reverb.
You need to adjust your pedal‘s EQ when using fuzz or higher gain with the tone master. I also highly recommend the low input for fuzz.
Tube amp eats the tone master for brunch
Great sounding amps and nicely done review 👍🏼 The biggest difference for a lot of us tube lovers is the response and dynamics that tubes give you. They have a magical quality that brings the guitar to life in your hands. The tube one sounds like 3D and the tone master sounds 2Dimensional and doesn’t take pedals as well
Just at the start of playing, I initially thought that the first amp was the Digital, now having heard the second I do think thats the case. I have the 15 W Digital and the cleans are similar, really nice, sort of more tubey than tubes tone w a 3D sound stage...so now I've seen the reveal...Weird, in person my amps sound reversed compared to the video. The Digital clean sound is better in some ways, w the Tube better for distortion.
The dist pedal on the TM was a wee bit wonky. But I agree with Ryan that some of it is EQ. Good comment .
Great review, thanks!
Have a great show!!!
I believe I'd choose the ToneMaster over the reissue, but thankfully, I don't need to choose; I have a '65 AND a '69. I enjoyed the review, but would it have killed you to try the tremolo? Nobody else did, either...
What i hear as the difference between the two is the immediacy of their relative attacks. The digital version has that quinknsolidcstate attack where the tubes need to bloom.
And the eq difference is more noticeable with distortion
This is the "First" Tube / Solid State side by side comparison I've seen on UA-cam!! In all seriousness, (and acknowledging we have history with the Spending Spree), for someone that has been on this planet for almost 3/4 of a century, and honestly appreciate you playing the "Surfer Licks," Can you give me a reason to spend the extra $$$$ for the Tube Version. I'm not trying to bait you in any way. I sincerely think this is the first video that has addressed my questions. Before you answer, I'm perfectly happy with my Roland JC-120 Jazz Chorus Amplifier. I'm more interested in the additional properties of the 4 x 10's in the ToneMaster!!! Do you have the background information on the Roland JC-120 to allow you to give me an answer if I will get the benefit of the 4 x 10s of the ToneMaster to realize the benefit of the difference. (Obviously, I only use the clean and reverb channels on the amps. Additional Information...I do "NOT" use distortion pedals...Only Reverb - Delay and Tape Echo Pedals. I only mention this to assist you in answering my question.) Thank You in advance for your answer!!! And thank you for this video!!!!
The second one was harsher and rough on the ears in the 1st pickup setting. Tubes win every time.
Ooooh I love that Telecaster
Digital sounds better to me. Like the clear crispy tones
I actually preferred the tone master.
tube version sounds better to me, Punchier . More in your face as far as i can hear. on YT More tube feel. Both sound good btw. But I would go for a brunetti singleman head or 35 combo. It has a fender blackface sound. Good price , good build quality and portable. Real punchy tube sound. Thanks Mike
I would be really curious to hear the tone master version with the same speakers as real tube amp.
I believe in this case that they are the same alnico Jensen's. The Tonemaster Deluxe and Twin use neodymium speakers, but with the Super they opted to keep the alnicos (good call by Fender imho).
The speaker is custom made for the tm to sound closer to the original. The same speaker as the tube version would make it sound even more different
@@8odycount I believe that’s true for the Deluxe and Twin TM, but for the Super it appears they stuck with the same alnicos as the tube version.
@@ILuvJazzNJava yeah, that might be. I didn't look it up for the super. I have the deluxe reverb tm
I’m listening through my iPhone speaker and there’s a noticeable thinness to the tonemaster. Assuming your settings are identical, I wonder if you can compensate for its short comings with the tone knobs? I have a tube super reverb and was curious for the tone masters weight relief and the volume attenuation.