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This Ship Company Lost EVERYTHING (and Then Started Again) | Lloyd Triestino
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- Опубліковано 17 сер 2024
- Lloyd Triestino - an Italian shipping line with an incredible story.
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Oceanliner Designs explores the design, construction, engineering and operation of history’s great ocean liners - from Titanic to Queen Mary but not forgetting the likes of Empress of Ireland or Chusan. Join Mike Brady as he uncovers the myths, explains the timelines, logistics and deep dives into the lives of the people and ocean liner ships that we all know and love.
The first plane that offered real competition to the ocean liners was the Boeing 707.
The Boeing 737 started flying later and was designed for short haul.
Passengers boarding the plane, on the video, is on the left back door of a TWA Lockheed Constellation, before the era of those Boeings.
The Boeing 707 was the real killer...
As always, very unique content!
Greetings from Brazil.
Quite right on the Boeing 707 breaking the back of the ocean liners. Air travel certainly existed before the 707 came along, but it was VERY expensive. The 707 made air travel affordable for most people, not just the few. It pretty much killed long-distance passenger railroading here in the US as well.
@@wayneantoniazzi2706 Spot on!
@@andreferro4618 Thanks!
The DeHavilliand Comet was the first liner competition. It had an unfortunate set of design errors however but was on its way when they became obvious. The 707 avoided those errors by reading the Comet accident reports.
@@allangibson8494
You are correct when you say that accident reports help to avoid future problems, but the predecessor of the BOEING 707 was the BOEING B 47 and that one already had an efficient wing box and hatches with no sharp angles.
As you can see, the prototype flew a long time before.
Boeing B-47 Stratojet
Role Strategic bomber/Aerial reconnaissance
National origin United States
Manufacturer Boeing
First flight 17 December 1947
This is an amazing presentation. I sailed on Galileo Galilei in 1969 when I was 17 and fresh out of school. I loved ships and would go to the Oversea Shipping Terminal at every opportunity to see these magnificent ships sailing out of Sydney Australia. The migrant ships would sail from Europe and return to Europe with few passengers. The opportunity to sail as a "Transit" passenger from one Australian port to another was something I always wanted to do. I saved my AU$45 and sailed from Sydney to Adelaide in Tourist Class in a 2 berth cabin which shared a bathroom with the cabin next door. I fell in love with cruising but had to wait until 2001 for my first real cruise to the Pacific Islands. Thanks for the wonderful memories of this magnificent ship.
Another great video, Mike! The post-war Italian liners were (in my humble opinion) among the most beautiful liners. The designers had a flair for creating perfect profiles.
I agree with your assessment. Often overlooked in discussions of Andrea Doria is just how gorgeous a ship she was. Leonardo Da Vinci was similarly beautiful. I've never quite warmed up to the... different funnel design for Rafaello and Michelangelo, but their hulls were exquisite.
Mike Brady, several things impress me about all of your videos. Unlike the vast majority of UA-camrs you (a) always are nicely dressed in a tie, not a baseball cap, (b) speak proper English, and (c) always are pleasant, charming, well prepared and informative.
P.S. In 1955 I took my first cruise on ALCOA CORSAIR (a combo bulk bauxite carrier-passenger ship) from New Orleans to Trinidad, Venezuela, Curacao and Jamaica back to Mobile, Alabama. There were 3 sister ships. One was called CAVALIER. In addition to the bauxite Alcoa needed to make aluminum they brought back bananas.
You’d have a job going from Europe to Australia in a 737 (lots of fuel stops along the way). A more likely contender would be the Boeing 707, and later the 747. Great video as usual though.
Actually, they do use 737s as well as some other narrow body jets. London to Sydney...it's called the "Kangaroo Route," and has tons of stops. It's been the most used route from Europe to Australia since the 1940s. As a matter of fact, just earlier this year, Quantas finally announced that it's first ever non-stop route from Sydney to London will begin in 2025. It will be 20 hours long, and will be the longest non-stop flight out there. In fact, on a May 1 2022 article with CNBC, they said they will have to buy Airbus A350s for the new route, and will no longer need many of their 737s as a result.
@@SerenityNow.... Do you have a link for the use of 737s on the Kangaroo Route? I have had a good look around and cannot find any reference to their use on this route. I know that Qantas use 737s extensively in their domestic and short-haul international routes. Looking at the history of the Kangaroo Route, it seems they operated large props from the 1940s until the late 1950s when they transitioned to jets, but these were either Qantas own 707s or BOAC's Comet 4s. They introduced the 747 in 1971 cutting away many of the old stops previously required.
if you want a similar story (also...oddly from Italy as well) there is Flotta Lauro, which had my personal favorite ship (of any kind) the Achille Lauro (ex Dutch Willem Ruys) and her Larger "Cousin" the Angelina Lauro (also ex dutch from a different company, Oranje)
they lost the majority of their ships in WW2 as well, mostly being humble little ships which (even by ww2 standards) were incredibly old and worn out as it was (and a lot being cargo only)
after ww2 they acquired two surplus ships and had them beautifully rebuilt as the "Roma" and "Sydney", not to mention an older american Grace Line ship (I forget the name at the moment)
and from their they grew! (eventually acquiring the aforementioned dutch liners in the 1960s, though sadly Costa Bungled everything up like they always do when they chartered Angelina in 1979...and immediately lost it to fire)
sadly of course they have a lot of bad rep...from the Hijacking of Achille Lauro in 1985, to her ultimate demise off Somalia caused by an engine explosion in 1995
by then they were pretty strapped for cash anyway, and as a result merged with the "MSC Cruises" (a branch of the Container ship operator "Mediterranean Shipping Company") and were officially no more, but in a weird way their spirit still lives on with MSC Cruises, I just wish they would adopt the Star Logo again, or at least some little homage to their origins
I wanna see the bloopers of how many times it took you to say Galileo galilei without getting your tounge twisted 😂
😂
oh come on it's not that hard! at least for me it rolls quite well on the tongue
It's just saying Galileo twice but leaving off the last O. 😂
I want you to say it yourself
I did 😂
I automatically click "Like" at the beginning of each of Mike's videos I watch since they are predictably awesome and very educational; I'm never wrong. Here's another one. Thank you, Mike!
It can be pointed out that while the "Rex" and "Conte de Savoia" died under rocket fire from British planes, both were briefly considered as worthy of raising and rebuilding in the post-war years. "Conte de Savoia" was the strongest contender, but the wartime damage and her pre-war links to the Mussolini government quickly quashed those hope. I am uncertain, but I believe the deepest part of the "Rex" wreck (Rex wrex?) may have been left in the ocean mud. WHat replaced them as ships of state may have been the model beautiful trans-Atlantic liners of the post war years; "Andrea Doria", Cristoforo Columbo", and their successors.
The Doria, the Colombo, and the da Vinci, had NOTHING, on the likes of the United States, the France, or the Rotterdam. XD
The Michelangolo and the Rafaello on the other hand, are worthy contenders.
@@Kaidhicksii Michaelangelo and Raffaello were elegant and modern ships which only came into being as the DaVinci and Colombo waned in popularity, being destined for southern Europe. The United States was somewhat utilitarian and sterile. I'll give you the France, but here again, is a replica of the most elegant ship ever built, Normandie. I'll stick with Doria, Colombo, and France for post-war beauties.
@@PRR5406 Fair enough lol
Btw, when I talk about beauty in this context, I'm referring to exteriors. It is there in my belief that the first three post-war Italian liners are massively overrated _(although Andrea has been growing on me a lot as of recent; I'm still trying my hardest to deny it)._
Interior-wise on the other hand, I can agree with you. They really give my favorites a run for their money.
You do an excellent job presenting your videos. Very informative and interesting.
A similar thing happened here in the USA after the early 50s, trains were displaced by planes. We still don't have any serious efforts to bring true high speed rail service to America.
An amazing video! When I was 5, I sailed on the Guglielmo Marconi when it was briefly run as the American Adventure in 1994 for the defunct American Family Cruises. I only realized years later just what a storied ship she and her sister are and wished I could have experienced a voyage in those glory days.
Another great story and well-told Mike, and one I didn't know about! See, it's a wasted day if you don't learn something new!
And THANK YOU for using the word "decimate" properly! It drives me crazy when newscasters here in the US use the word "decimate" instead of the word "devastate" when describing the aftermath of natural disasters or fires. Decimation and devastation are two different things.
PS: I heard about Australia's recent loss of one of your national treasures, Judith Durham. I remember her magnificent voice as lead singer of The Seekers from years ago. My condolances to you all. 😢
Thank you Wayne, the media here hardly even mentioned Judith's passing. Olivia Newton John on the other hand hasn't stopped. Of the two though I think Judith had the clearer, purer voice. And thank you for knowing the difference between decimate and devastate. So many words are being lost in our shared language.
@@trainstrains1 Yes, the language seems to be taking a beating recently, doesn't it?
Hi Mike, Greetings from Montreal. Galileo found herself in Miami in the 80's. Doing the 2 night run between Miami and Nassau. I sailed on her quite a bit, ( I was a travel agent then). One sailing always stands out, the ship had departed Nassau at dusk on her way back to Miami. We hit stormy seas on the crossing, and at one point the ship heeled over and waves pounded the ship. We could hear dishes smash and furniture roll. Needless to say, we did not sleep that night. She was a really nice ship. I once heard that her end came when she sank after a fire onboard.
Beats anything on TV! As a 10 year old I sailed with my father aboard L-T Africa from Beira to Trieste (returning to England from Rhodesia). I recall we passed Africa's twin, Europa, en route. The Castle Line was also popular with fading colonials travelling to and from southern Africa's twilight years. Super job, keep it up - I'm still sailing, shortly on the Galeon Andalucia.
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B737 didn’t have the range to fly to Australia. It was the 707 (with a few stops).
The 707-138 used by Qantas was shortened significantly to improve its range to permit transpacific operations (and still needed to fly via Fiji or Hawaii to reach the United States).
Transatlantic flights stopped in Gander and Iceland for the same reasons into the 1960’s until Turbofan engines replaced the original 707 turbojets.
Well this video is a surprise. In 1972 I travelled on the Lloyd Triestino ship the “Asia”. This was a couple of years after an Egyptian-Israel conflict (believe it was the Six Day War). The Suez Canal was still no passable. Ships still sunk in the canal. And the canal had silted in from lack of maintenance. Boarded in Barcelona and went around Africa. Disembarked in Mumbai (back then it was Bombay). What a voyage. 30 days. Nicely done ship. Not too lux. But not a bucket. Enjoyed and remembered. Craig…
My Dad's family emigrated from England to Australia on Galileo Galilei, so I was pleasantly surprised to see her in the opening of this video!
Sailed on the Galileo under Chandris ownership in 1984. She was still a beautiful ship, fast 24 knots. We had a large inside cabin, larger than many outside cabins of today. Later Chandra's became Celebrity. This was our 2nd cruise, since then we have added 36 cruises and transatlantic crossings. Mostly Cunard and Holland America.
WORLD: “Look at our beautiful ships!”
WAR: “I’m heeeeere!”
WORLD: “We can’t have anything nice!”
For all those who had Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II as your Queen, our deepest condolences, from Brazil.
Great video as always!
This is the first time I heard the story of the Galileo Galilei. Phenomenal ship and the story of Lloyd Trieste is perhaps the stuff of legends. I had no idea that Italy lost that much of its merchant fleet throughout both World Wars. Talk about getting pummeled. Toscana is the story of perseverance in the face of adversity, and how one's potential is never truly destroyed. Australia is the story of stepping up your game and redeeming yourself. Galileo Galilei is the story of surpassing all of your previous limits and reaching the peak of your powers, the culmination of your entire life's journey. Good on Lloyd Trieste, and glad to hear that they survive today in one way or another. :) 👍👍
I sailed on the Galileo from Italy to Fremantle In Western Australia in 1969 with my parents when I was 2 years old and it’s fascinating to watch this now at the age of 58
Love watching your channel
Nice to see that you converted one of the stories on your website to a UA-cam video so that more people see it! It’s a shame that not as many people see your site as you clearly put effort into it and it’s stories.
Superb Mike ...not a Line I knew a lot about ....beautifully illustrated and documented ...
How about one on the 2 most beautiful liners of all ? The incomparable SS Raffaello and SS Michelangelo of the Italian Line
I've binged your channel in less than 2 weeks. Great stuff dude.
I really love that book of list of merchant ships.
My complements on an outstanding narrating job, you are clear and do a great job of presenting a possible dry subject. Also want to say that your presentation is much appreciated, you are handsome and clear!!! Thank you!
An informative and enjoyable video, thanks Mike. As you have a family connection with P&O, I have a family connection with Lloyd Triestino. My Hungarian grandparents used forged papers to escape the fascist government there in 1938 and travelled to Fremantle in early 1939 on Lloyd Triestino's MV Romolo (1926, 9780t). In February 1939, they travelled by un-airconditioned train across the Nullarbor and on to Melbourne, which would've been a wild experience after a European winter!
The MV Romolo had a fascinating end; while in Brisbane in June 1940, it was searched by Australian authorities, the crew then attemped to take the ship to a neutral port, getting away the day before Italy entered the war. They were pursued by the armed merchant cruiser HMAS Manoora (ex-Adelaide Steamship Co 1935, 10875t), and the crew ended up attempting to scuttle the ship and get away in the boats. The Manoora caught up, shelled the Romolo to hasten its departure, then picked up the crew and passengers, who were later interned. So, an interesting tale of motor vessel versus motor vessel on the high seas!
This story could possibly make a fascinating video of its own; I'd certainly be interested in commissioning a drawing of the Romolo if you take commissions.
Thanks for what you do, Mike, it's appreciated, and I'm proud to be a patron.
That’s such a cool story! History always feels so much more real when you have a connection to it in some way :)
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate, what a great video production. Onya.
Correction. The 737 is a short-range airliner. I think you meant the 707 plane which is a long-range aircraft.
I like that the enthusiasm for this video is clear from the get-go. Thanks for another great episode.
My mother and her family sailed from Italy to the USA on the Conte di Savoia in 1938. She said the stabilizers weren’t working and the crossing was rough, but she was a little kid and thought it was fun. They left because they were Jewish and the Fascist Italian government had just passed the first antisemitic laws. After the war they moved back to Italy, though my mom eventually returned to the USA.
Love yr work, Mike. Mid 20C oceanliners were beautiful.
Your videos are always so informative and carefully thought through and are a joy to watch! I worked for a Swedish shipping company for nine years as a clerk, but it no longer exists. Once upon a time it owned The Swedish American Line, but I was employed after that era. Their ocean liners were rather small compared to the ones you describe here, but appreciated by the passengers. Anyhow, thank you for telling the story of these floating masterpieces. It is so interesting to see how the designs developed, both exterior and interior, and all the improvements made over time.
Thank you for the very interesting video! The Marconi featured in my very early life (as an 18 mth old toddler) travelling between Cape Town and Perth, with my parents in early 1972. I am told that this is where I developed a taste for olives, the Italian waiters indulged me most kindly apparently!
Sailed on Galileo under Chandris. It was aged but still elegant, and there's nothing afloat today like her.
Thank you for the insight into the subject of the Loyd Triestino. Congratulations for your very interesting channel.
Greetings from Trieste
Another awesome masterpiece captain, it’s great to see another video!
Thanks for watching, my friend! o7
I sailed on the Galileo Galilei in her later guise as Meridian, a magnificent ship. Truly beautiful, 1960s Italian design was a class above.
Hi Michael! I was wondering can you do a video on the SS Michelangelo and her sister?
Great video like always! Can't wait for more!
Another interesting video thanks. My dad took the Africa from Loyds Triestino in 1954, from Cape Town to Genoa. She was built in 1952 i believe and my dad always talk about how much nicer the Africa was compared to the Union Castle Pretoria he took on his way back. More modern and with Italian style.
this is so crazy, i can't believe i missed this video! new favorite for me!
Just want to say, love the work you do! Your videos have been my new obsession I always appreciate finding new channels that are centered around liners. Awesome video as always.
I also sailed on the Gallieo Galalei from Sydney to Naples in 1969 in 4 berth cabin. Very heavy seas in the Great Australian Bight proved her seakeeping capabilities, thank God it was a head sea. Very informative report thank you.
At 7:20 there was a poster with flags, and there was a Latvian flag too. That means those ships visited the port of Riga too? 😲🤔 And this channel is awesome, pure gold! One of the best narrations in tube. 😎👍
Here's a cool game, take a sip from your favorite spirit every time he says Galileo Galilei.
As an Italian I wanted to known more about our OceanLiners, I thought they were horrible but they’re actually pretty good looking
Such a great video. I love this channel!!!
Hi Mike, I love your vids, I grew up on the Rose by waterfront , watching alot of the great liners, in those last days of Real passenger liners and liner/ocen travel, , Some beautiful some well seen better days, but I was always curious about them, I would like to point out, the one, singular vogae of the SS Conte grande, 1960, on lease to Lloyd triestino, I have a great photo B&W of her berched at circular quay with the Bridge in the background, One of my prized posessions, , A freinds, father was a harbour watcher too and it was his, I,m very glad to have it, thanks agian, Please keep up the great vids, kind regards Rob
Slight addendum; although Lloyd Triestino do still exist, they're not a cruise line nor are they still named that. By 1998, due to intense competition from Carnival, Norwegian, Disney ETC, they abandoned cruising altogether and switched to being a cargo shipping company. They're now called Italia Marittima as of 2006. Same company, different name and purpose.
No mention of the Mv Victoria, the MV Asia and others. All worthy of honourable mention I would have thought. Otherwise a very interesting account of Lloyd Triestino. I sailed on the Victoria from Bombay to Trieste in 1970.
Thank you for another great video. I enjoy hearing about the ships from the past. However, I think that you know more about ships than planes! All the best from Sydney Australia 🇦🇺
I enjoy your presentations thoroughly. I know I will never go on a cruise. It's the history side I find interesting.
Thanks for incorporating both.
Italy: what are we going to do? We have all these ships and no fuel to make them go!
The allies: we'll take care of that for you.
Italy: you give us the fuel?
The allies: heh
The best looking ocean liner historian ever 😍
Thanks Mike nice video
I did my first cruise as a kid on Lloyd Triestino's "Asia".
Oops. It was the 707 and DC8 that transformed jet travel. Not, the 737.
You know, with the location of the funnel and the tall radio mast, from a distance the profile of the SS Galileo Galilei looks almost identical to the SS Leonardo Da Vinci.
Liked soo much keep it up 👍👍👍
I left my mother's slipway in 1948. The straightforward design of (say) the cargo/passenger liner was just right. Even if I could afford it, I could not bring myself to cruise on one of those laden-container-ships-with-windows called cruise liners. I fondly remember the Uganda and the liners such as the Union Castle ships such as Cape Town Castle.
Hello Mike. Wonderful work as always. Your videos are always a delight. I was wondering if I might make a video request.
I’m a huge devotee of the French Line but it’s hard to find information about their ships in any great detail. While the Normandie has been covered extensively and good information is available about the Ile de France and the 62 France finding any information about the older ships like the Paris and 12 France is difficult at best. And information on their smaller, non flagship ships like the Flandre, De Grasse, Champlain, etc is almost non existent. I hope that with your extensive connections and resources you will have better luck than I have.
Warmest Regards.
Loving the animations. 2:20 Did you know Fred Jane got his start sketching ships and turned into a business?! (well, you probably do!) Well, you're turning into his successor and turning a hobby into a business!
loved it , thank you , from wigan , lancashire
When it comes to beautiful design, Italians are second to none. 👍
Beautiful video. Toscana was also used for the sad evacuation of the italians that were living in Istria and Dalmazia,escaping from Tito's communist Yugoslavia,that considered them all fascists. In an atmosphere of violence,thousend of them were killed or tortured,and the others were forced to leave their homes,their properties and even to bring with them the coffins of their parents and relatives. This is history,but a forgotten and buried history. Other important ships were the Asia,Africa,Europa and Victoria,that were a smaller but equally elegant derivation from the Australia. Galileo Galilei and Guglielmo Marconi were the result of a futuristic project,with engines aft and innovative design,and with hull lines designed by one of the most important naval designers of all times,Nicolò Costanzi,from Trieste,that introduced the swan neck bows and the "sede d'onda",a particular shape of the hull combining fuel saving and higher performance.
Great video as always Mike, but I was wondering if you've thought about making a video about Matson or any of their ships, I feel like they're underrated when it comes to ocean liner history
Hello, great video and fascinating story.
Wow, this is incredible!
These videos are always fire!
great presentation, I have a couple of pictures somewhere of the Toscana taken by my dad in 1953 at Suez, of damage she suffered after I suppose being rammed by another ship. It shows the odd bulges on the side, they certainly must have come in handy then. Keep up the good work.
If I had disposable income, you would be getting so much of it.
Absolutely outstanding work Micheal, love your work. Have u thought of maybe drawing britannic or Germanic from 1874??
These videos are amazing!
Keep it up man :D
I remember Galileo Galilei very well, been on her twice & once on the Marconi
Never heard of this shipping line but still great video!
Fantastic my favourite ships my parents took us to italy june1966 on marconi came back nov on galileo i was 10 yrs old
Must have given me an appetite for ships 41 cruises later still jumping on a ship any chance i get
Great video Mike. Could you do a video on the post WWII ships of the Shaw Savill Line someday?
That's awesome amount of ships they owned a lot of Navy don't have 85 ship's
I like the galileo galilei at night its looks so good!
The Florida, a modest emigrant ship which sank the Republic in 1909, was a Lloyd Triestino ship.
737? or 707?
I enjoy all the videos on this channel, but especially these videos on non-transatlantic liners. Could you do some videos on the Canberra or the Southern Cross?
Your videos are excellent and incredibly informative - keep up the good work! However the picture of an aircraft (TWA) was a Lockheed Constellation which is piston engined, and the 737 is a short haul airliner
Wow love these still of videos
Your works are so cool, can you make a video about your process of making these beautiful ship drawings?
The Royal Navy subs did a number on the Italians as well
Any chance you could make a film about HMS Electra,a ship no one's heard of but a famous ship in her own right
Magnificent video! Could you create a video about the ship Marco Polo, the one that used to do cruises from Australia to China? That was in the 70s before it opened up.
I feel bad for all ship business owners during the world wars who lost everything they'd worked for during times of peace.
Do you think that you could possibly make some videos of the Kaiser Wilhelm Der Grosse and the Kronprinzessin Cecile, and the sister ships Mike?
I don't know why but I really like the Toscana
Michael, the boeing 737 was a scheduled for regional service only. it would
not have been a competitor against ocean liners due to it's lack of range.
the Boeing 707 dominated the late 50s and 1960s and is credited for ushering the Jet Age. the 4 engined plane would make the NY- Paris route in 6hrs.
Hey how about a video about NYK's comeback after WW2, especially the role of M/S Hikawa Maru in the company's return to prominence in shipping?
That was excellent. Would you consider a history of "Princess", cause in the 1970s the Pacific Princess (The Love Boat) was iconic.
Thanks
Sad to find out that the Galileo caught fire in 1999 and sank after being used as a cruise ship
You know, aesthetically, I'm generally not a big fan of the liners from after the Second World War (United States not included), but the Australia trio, hoo boy, those are nice-looking.
I feel that the Galileo and the Marconi, however, share the faults I don't like from QE2. It's a lack of sleekness of the bow superstructure. There's just a box there. I don't like it.
For all her faults, I feel like QM2 is what modern liners ought to look like. For the superstructure from the front, at least. Sleek.
What an informative video, I know basically nothing about Italian shipping! The only thing I have is Rex and Conte de Savoie, and even those are shaky at best. Thanks for the lesson! Excellently done, as always! Can't wait for the next video!
Hey Ocean designs here's the fact that you need to know the SS Toscana when she was serving of North German Lloyd her sister should be there is a very special ship because she carried my favorite offer Katherine and Porter to burn her hair and cause her to inspire ship fools in 1962and a photo of the of the SS tuscola is at the end of the book