I'm very glad you credited Bilget's video, and kudos to Wardaddy for the guts to join him in this experiment. I think it's always useful to think creatively and challenge assumptions ❤
Over raging is a lot better then under raging and i dont see many pointing that out. That being said in the test it doesn't consider the fact in a murder ball you will get attacked by more then 1 march at a time (means gaining more rage when surrounded) even if it happens for 1 or 2 turns. So over raging would be a slightly bigger factor in a real scenario. The best way to go about it is probably a mixture of rings horn and 1 or 2 drums or vice versa (mixture of horns and drums and 1 or 2 rings ect) but who knows we will need a lot more testing like in this video to fully understand what is best
I made a comment in bilegt’s video few weeks ago saying why I dismantled my rings and start using horn and drum more than a year ago, the simple answer is field fighting meta have changed. To do the most amount of damage In pull and drag meta , you want to gain rage as fast as you could, it’s much more reliable than ring, not only it keeps you stay in combat longer to avoid rage reset, you don’t have to worry about overraging
I always thought rings were more of a rally/garrison thing since it can last longer than a field march and the probability of hitting that damage increases when the skill pops off.
I am so happy, I have 5 horns, 3 drums and 2 rings, for the sixth step I might go for the horn and the drum. I thought carefully before choosing at the time
Im just here for the ROK pros who played the game for 20 years,15000 hours,30 kvks,5B power,1 Trillion Kp and 1 Billion deads to tell Chadsky his Wrong
I mean it makes sense when going back and forth in a murderball and not focusing too much on one march its much better to be able to fire skills faster which in turn kills the enemies faster since your firing it off faster than what horn, rings can do
I believe it was Wick or Dragonthian who said 3 Drums are equivalent to 5 rings. I’m aiming 2 Rings, 3 Drums myself for a 5 March lineup🤙🏻 Amazing video Chadski! Thank you!
Horns pattern are def easier to gain. But that’s pointless, tier X of accessories is the last thing you’d upgrade anyways. 99% will never upgrade beyond tier 2.
I just craft a drum and someone in my alliance call me crazy …. Now who is the crazy one ! 🤟😉 I put drum on Philippe II , cuse he drain rage from enemy also … now im going to give him Horn for sure , next kvk !!
Also I would like to add, Rings are best for Garrison and rallies like you said but it's also useful inside canyon and for players that swarms garrisons a lot in kvk ☺️
Yes I explain at the end that drums do nothing for you in rally/garrison. I mean a little, but the rings are definitely more important in those settings.
In my opnion there are two problems with drums: one is that the blueprint is not free like the horn, so it makes almost impossible for f2p and low spenders to get crit/awaken and two the rage buff does not prioritize your troops, so if you have 5 marches in a murder ball with 100 other marches, the probability of getting a rage buff on one of your marches is 1 - (100/104 × 99/103) or around 7.5% which I would say is low.
Bruh dont you read the game data? When you USE A BUFF FOR OTHER MARCHES, YOUR marches will be prioritised ! You will get the rage always on your own marches first and if you dont have any, then its going to your allies
You get the drums easier than the horn. You get them in KvK shop like the horns. And you can also get in the egg event and other events where the horns you cannot.
drums and horn on a march seem excessive.. in the end we just need higher probability for the drum to trigger with civilized. so ideally should be 3 drums, 4horn and the rest ring. Influential leader and civilized, and your 7 march is more than optimal.
DRUMS are insanity in a 7 march setup 5 drums, 2 horns. In 5 march, 5 drums superior always. (especially with a trajan march and a joan march mixed in). That said guess it is time to craft more horns.
How are rings going to help you? You gonna do more damage with 25% troops left? Ring is also attached to the troops you have in your march for damage. Horn and Drums don't care. Their benefit is tied to whether or not your march is alive. And for the small amount of time you kill off everything and have two marches left, I think the benefit way outweighs that.
I'm very glad you credited Bilget's video, and kudos to Wardaddy for the guts to join him in this experiment. I think it's always useful to think creatively and challenge assumptions ❤
Much Love Chad! I am excited to see the actual test results as well!
Over raging is a lot better then under raging and i dont see many pointing that out. That being said in the test it doesn't consider the fact in a murder ball you will get attacked by more then 1 march at a time (means gaining more rage when surrounded) even if it happens for 1 or 2 turns. So over raging would be a slightly bigger factor in a real scenario. The best way to go about it is probably a mixture of rings horn and 1 or 2 drums or vice versa (mixture of horns and drums and 1 or 2 rings ect) but who knows we will need a lot more testing like in this video to fully understand what is best
Very interesting!! Never heard anyone mention that before. Food for thought.
I made a comment in bilegt’s video few weeks ago saying why I dismantled my rings and start using horn and drum more than a year ago, the simple answer is field fighting meta have changed. To do the most amount of damage In pull and drag meta , you want to gain rage as fast as you could, it’s much more reliable than ring, not only it keeps you stay in combat longer to avoid rage reset, you don’t have to worry about overraging
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Also the interesting thing you didnt notice, is that the average deviation on horn+ drums us much lower than the other 2, its closer to the average
Bilegt is awesome, played with him for over a year now. Bros a genius
Lets Go, this is the video I have been wanting
I always thought rings were more of a rally/garrison thing since it can last longer than a field march and the probability of hitting that damage increases when the skill pops off.
I am so happy, I have 5 horns, 3 drums and 2 rings, for the sixth step I might go for the horn and the drum. I thought carefully before choosing at the time
So much great content. I just needed someone like you to tell me what to craft XD. I don't have the time to run all these numbers
love the content man :)
Glad people are respecting the overrage always love getting xy active skills release on liu
Im just here for the ROK pros who played the game for 20 years,15000 hours,30 kvks,5B power,1 Trillion Kp and 1 Billion deads to tell Chadsky his Wrong
Wrong about what? I didn't make any proclamation other than we need to rethink how we compare the accessories. Maybe Drums and Horns are the key
@ i share your charts with the community and i get backlash sometimes and im just like im just sharing the info😹 im not a pro
@WarDaddyChadski I'm pretty sure they're just trolling the skeptics, and it was hilarious 😂😂😂😂
@@WarDaddyChadski I told many about horn and drum no one agree with me
Bilegt is calling this
I mean it makes sense when going back and forth in a murderball and not focusing too much on one march its much better to be able to fire skills faster which in turn kills the enemies faster since your firing it off faster than what horn, rings can do
This is interesting. Good job. Combo commander sort of changes the ring thing I think though, especially with the legendary inscription on delta
I believe it was Wick or Dragonthian who said 3 Drums are equivalent to 5 rings.
I’m aiming 2 Rings, 3 Drums myself for a 5 March lineup🤙🏻
Amazing video Chadski! Thank you!
So ur telling me to dismantle all my rings and make drums, got it 👍 ty ty 😊
Keep the rings broskii. Rings are good. This wasn't a proclamation about the Drums being better. Just that we need to rethink this
hoping my wardrum craft is being redeemed
I got u!! U r right 👍
I have always thought about this John Wick rage per turn calculation and over raging. Did any ever reach out to lillth to confirm it?
With silents n wallys in field, you will need all the rage. ❤
Horns, because easy of access, its easier to get blueprints in KVK shop to proc and ionic to tier 5 then it is getting Drums bps :P
Not true. You get drums you get in the egg event AND in the KvK shops. Drums are twice as easy to get as horns.
@ They took drums out of kvk shops so just egg event 😛
Horns pattern are def easier to gain. But that’s pointless, tier X of accessories is the last thing you’d upgrade anyways. 99% will never upgrade beyond tier 2.
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I just craft a drum and someone in my alliance call me crazy …. Now who is the crazy one ! 🤟😉
I put drum on Philippe II , cuse he drain rage from enemy also … now im going to give him Horn for sure , next kvk !!
Also drum effects stack if you have more than one.
So Chadski, tell me something… should I just bite the bullet, take the 50% material loss and dismantle web and dagger?
Eeesh.... Man I do not know. That is a tough one.
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I have WW pair with LC should I put the dagger on WW or the horn?
dagger is now useless now a days if you dont have more than one so pretty sure horn is a better choice but thats my opinion :3
@ thank you fam 👍
@@frankiexavier5938horn doesn't work well on Liu. If you have crafted both already I would find a different home for the horn and put dagger on Liu.
@DawgHase I’m running Liu Che as a secondary to WW I was wondering if is better ru run WW with horn or dagger
@@Counting_Deadswhy more then one I run it and it pops off. With my lu/alex have glory and dagger.
Also I would like to add, Rings are best for Garrison and rallies like you said but it's also useful inside canyon and for players that swarms garrisons a lot in kvk ☺️
Yes I explain at the end that drums do nothing for you in rally/garrison. I mean a little, but the rings are definitely more important in those settings.
so we puting 3 points into rejuvenate again also?
sad that i just bought ring blueprint in my first soc shop and wont have enough for another accessory until next kvk. needed this video 2 days ago ;(
In my opnion there are two problems with drums: one is that the blueprint is not free like the horn, so it makes almost impossible for f2p and low spenders to get crit/awaken and two the rage buff does not prioritize your troops, so if you have 5 marches in a murder ball with 100 other marches, the probability of getting a rage buff on one of your marches is 1 - (100/104 × 99/103)
or around 7.5% which I would say is low.
Bruh dont you read the game data? When you USE A BUFF FOR OTHER MARCHES, YOUR marches will be prioritised ! You will get the rage always on your own marches first and if you dont have any, then its going to your allies
Your marches will get priority
You get the drums easier than the horn. You get them in KvK shop like the horns. And you can also get in the egg event and other events where the horns you cannot.
Would Arthur Alex be good in a relic lvl
I think atleast should keep the ring in your dps march
Ok so we now need a swap event for equipment also🤣😂
Keep the rings bro. Rings are good. This wasn't a proclamation about the Drums being better. Just that we need to rethink this
@@WarDaddyChadski nah i think you just broke the game 😂
What about…. A Imp kd running 5-10 siege towers with horn and drums 👀 wont the siege rage problem get solved? 🤔
drums and horn on a march seem excessive.. in the end we just need higher probability for the drum to trigger with civilized.
so ideally should be 3 drums, 4horn and the rest ring. Influential leader and civilized, and your 7 march is more than optimal.
DRUMS are insanity in a 7 march setup 5 drums, 2 horns. In 5 march, 5 drums superior always. (especially with a trajan march and a joan march mixed in). That said guess it is time to craft more horns.
I thought horn & drum don't stack?
100% stack. Check my discord.
Biased against archers even in testing! Never beating the allegations 😂
Hey yo!
Liu alex or Liu philip? murderball soc, against imperium at that. Pass opens tomorrow, so thought I'd ask
Fuc… I have already 2 rings😭
Keep the rings bro. Rings are good. This wasn't a proclamation about the Drums being better. Just that we need to rethink this
@ I’m new I only crafted 2 rings should I go for 2 drums or 2 horns next
Interesting... Well I guess you will show reports soon enough. Lol
Let’s gooooo
Drum isn’t going to help you as much when your own marches start dying off. Probably help your teammates more when your marches start dying.
How are rings going to help you? You gonna do more damage with 25% troops left? Ring is also attached to the troops you have in your march for damage. Horn and Drums don't care. Their benefit is tied to whether or not your march is alive. And for the small amount of time you kill off everything and have two marches left, I think the benefit way outweighs that.
Been saying for a while rage>everything, i have no rings, horns and drums apart from liu che, horn and GG
Uff i bought ring from soc shop😂
Keep the ring bro. Rings are good. This wasn't a proclamation about the Drums being better. Just that we need to rethink this
@WarDaddyChadski ok ty
Love your channel and content, but I would love it 100% more without the forced laughing intros please
Broskii it ain't forced. I am genuinely excited to do videos every time.
Foreal I been sayin this and ppl still say ring and horn lol 😅
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Coincidence. 🤞🏻🙄☺️
Yea i think it’s a coincidence that he literally credited the video at the end. Maybe watch the whole video before you comment 😨
@@zkx2417 And the beginning. And had Bilegt tagged in description. And had a conversation with Bilegt beforehand discussing the video.
@@WarDaddyChadski Yea i know i was sarcastic lol. W
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