The Twin Children of The Vision and the Scarlet Witch - The Origin of Wiccan and Speed
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- On this extra length episode of History of the Marvel Universe, we're looking at the relationship between The Vision and the Scarlet Witch as well as the origin of Wiccan and Speed!
Sources:
Avengers 91 (1971)
Avengers 93 (1971)
Avengers 107-108 (1973)
Giant-Size Avengers 4 (1975)
Thor 243-244 (1975)
Thor 282 (1979)
Avengers 253-254 (1985)
Fantastic Four 277 (1985)
Vision and the Scarlet Witch 1-12 (1985-1986)
West Coast Avengers 4 (1986)
West Coast Avengers 37 (1988)
West Coast Avengers 42-45 (1989)
Avengers: West Coast 47 (1989)
Avengers: West Coast 50-53 (1989)
Avengers: West Coast 55-57 (1990)
Avengers: West Coast 60-62 (1990)
Avengers 348 (1992)
Avengers 360 (1993)
Avengers 367 (1993)
Avengers Forever 8 (1999)
Avengers 500-503 (2004)
House of M 1-8 (2005)
Young Avengers #1-12 (2005-2006)
Young Avengers Special 1 (2006)
Avengers: The Children's Crusade 1-9 (2010-2012)
Additional information from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe.
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#Marvel #WandaVision #Avengers
No soap opera could ever compete with a comic book story
SURE COULDN'T!!!!!!! TRUTH BEING TOLD!!!!!!
Shhhhh, my stories are one!
@@thomp9054 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I always say comic books is a geeks soap opera. I came to that conclusion growing up. My mother love soaps and they always detailed the last episode and i hated that. When I got older I realized i was the same way with saturday cartoons when they said... "Previous... On Xman" lol
Secret Wars had so many twists and turns for Magneto, Doom, Galactus, Cap, Wasp, Colossus, Klaw, Ultron, etc
This may be the plot for WANDAVISION AND DOCTOR STRANGE: MULTIVERSE OF MADNESS.
Possibly a part of the plot but definitely not the entire plot . There are not enough factors that have been put into place thus far for this to happen. BuT there may be some similarities as there are in many of the marvel movies to comic stories. Time will tell.
AAAAAAAAAND SpiderMan 3, they all gonna be topsy turvey
Lol
There may still be a happy ending for Wanda as she’ll be reunited with her husband and kids
So it's mephisto
It’s like studying for a test. These videos/ the comics are the homework and the movies and tv shows are the tests.
Me too I'll be watching all this videos to get the order and storyline in the comics
I swear I put more effort into studying marvel than school
@@hassanatudyfan7652 it’s the reality we hope is right around the corner
Yeah... listening to this one time is not going to cut it. Think I need MCU Geography 101 just to remember all the fictional names and places let alone a genealogy course!
@Rob Mikels 🤓
FOR THE CHILDREN...
For the children!
@@MerryMarvelite 😆 We must HARNESS(Agatha Harkness) our mutual abilities and energies into CREATING These New SUPREME BEINGS . " NO! , MORE! MUTANTS. "
Comic book things are not always for the children. To be honest, comic books were first more explicit for children that the comic book editors and government told the authors to make their comics more suitable for the children.
@@jasminebolten3290 dude it's a line from wandavision
@@jasminebolten3290 chill lmao
I hope we can see Billy and Tommy as young adult in the near MCU series or movies. I love Wiccan and speed, especially Wiccan
Especially if they do Wiccan and Hulkling.
I'm pretty sure Wiccan got electrokinesis from his Mutant side while he got his magic from his mother!
Billy in de comics doesn't have his mom's power he is a reincarnated god named Demiurge with reality warping powers stronger than the Scarlet witch if he is really a mutant is pretty vague. Electrokinesis is Wiccan's reality warping powers cuz he is a asgardian fanboy lol.
Yeah he gets his power from electrolyte's..........
@@boywithnoname4079 naw
@@cosmicfive7860 This is canon don’t be ignorant lol
@@boywithnoname4079 which comics what title me wanna read
WandaVision = Avengers: Disassembled + House of M.
If Wanda gets angry, We're all doomed.
House of M is weird tho considering there are no mutants
Reverse House of M, instead of ridding the world of mutants she's going to introduce mutants into the MCU
@@CreamyFire true.
@@CreamyFire reverse Decimation?
I’m glad this video came out. I had no idea she had real children. So when it came out in Wanda vision, I was so confused. So thank you for explaining it. Now I could make sense of the show
I love that SOMEHOW Scarlet Witch has a more complicated backstory than a synthizoid copy of the original android Human Torch and the brain patterns of a completely different person.
Well, Vision's pretty straightforward(sure there were time shenanigans and a bit of retcons but still) but Wanda has a whole lineage of magic and potential parentages behind her.
I feel like Speed should eventually develop a new personality other than the default dc speedster personality they gave him. Also I don't care what anyone says Speed is still a mutant.
I feel like he will since he's just a hyper excited kid for the time being.
That's right he's just a pietro knockoff most of the time, while Billy always gets all the attention
@@homorockerbloguero5079
Yeah dude even got to be fucking sorcerer supreme in a future timeline
@@homorockerbloguero5079 well we didn’t see pietro much much so i won’t care if he has at least tye quicksilver personality
@2freeIvX
In current continuity yes but that doesnt mean its good writing to divorce her from the x-men side which pretty much shaped half her character
Who else is watching Wandavision?
I'm enjoying it a lot!
Me 🙋🏾♂️ I’m liking it
I’m watching it! Good show
Me
Where can I watch it? We don't have Disney+ 😭😭😭
I feel like Billy and Hulklings relationship is going to turn into the first gay superhero wedding in the MCu
Spider-man: WHAT'S GOING ON HERE
Wiccan: breakfast
Here's to hoping
@@dans4129 hope
They are married! they got married in Empyre
Plot twist is Disney forces them to use she hulk instead
Please someone give this man a raise or even better populate his channel or maybe put him on a TV show I love his voice whenever he's telling an origin like honestly I beg and crave for this mans channel gets on top 10 YT vids
Bravo on this one people totally forget about master pandemonium
I swear I’ll never get that image of the baby arms out of my head
I remember all this starting in West Coast Avengers...in the 80's!
2:50 Poor Hawkeye, he fell in love with the Scarlet Witch and she marries a android. He falls in love with Mantis and she gets married to his mentor, the Swordsman.
As the saying goes, always the best man but never the groom. 🤣
I forgot how messed up crap Scarlet Witch went through. Her tale was truly tragic and understandable about having to endure loss and wanting to be happy.
Be safe and be 😎
I had to watch this twice to absorb all the information due to all the twist & turns in the storyline but I got it now. Totally worth both watches. ✔✔💯
I think we're going mad but it's working!
“A Hollywood actor who had crashed his KERR...losing his right ERM”..... I love Canadians....I’m dying 😂
I peeped that too. Erm?? WTH is an erm? lol but I just rolled with it since he was doing a great job telling the story😜
I thought I was the only one hearing that I was literally lmao
Ohhh i was wondering why he couldn't say arm! Duh! *smacks forhead*
I'm a Canadian 😃
I knew of Wiccan, had no idea there was a second one; talk about one sibling hogging the spotlight.
Because they made Speed a carbon copy of Quicksilver :/
same, I wish they gave tommy more character. it kinda annoys me that in the young avengers presents issues, they have wiccan and speed together. I feel like we should get to explore tommy's character a lot more in the comics. I mean, I adore billy, but tommy really is just a copy of quicksilver when he could be so much more. even looking at their superhero outfits, billy's takes inspiration from thor's and doctor strange's, whereas Tommy's is just quicksilver's but with orange goggles. tommy even says (in young avengers vol. 2, issue #6) that billy wanted him to take on the name of quicksilver, but he didn't want to because he wanted to be his own individual. perhaps they'll do more character building with tommy in the mcu, but I doubt it.
I can't believe I finished your video and was so happy at the ending. The feeling of reuniting again with your family is priceless. I really love the Scarlet Witch and I'm also going to love Wiccan and Speed in the future.
Damn now we know why nexus name was used in the episode 7 advertisement of wandavision... 9:44
This is very similar to how they’re doing WandaVision, I love it
Wandavision is doing justice to one of the most iconic storylines in marvel comics
@@homorockerbloguero5079 lol
Lol
That full story is really a lot to digest!
this is one of the best summations of this complicated storyline i've yet encountered. great job. i'm sharing this with all my friends who are watching WandaVision.
Loved this! Man classic Marvel was so good. Young Avengers has a different feel but thank you Marvelite!
Very complicated story. Sounds like Immortus would be a possible character to come to Wandavision.
Reckon it’s him actually watching them on the small screen!?
@@claytonsnelgrove8404 wasn't that Darcy?
@@rahbeeuh yeah it was
@@hair4571 thanks
i dont know about that, Wandavision has significantly changed the storyline.. not to mention the creation of The Vision is completely different in the MCU
This is a lot to process. My brain is bleeding...
Yay!! hope they give justice to Wiccan and Speed in the future. I would personally want to see a gay superhero
It needs to be done right or it ends up cw political trash.
Who's gay?
@@scpe7901 Wiccan is married to Hulkling and Speed is also bisexual, he’s dating Prodigy
@@scpe7901 Wiccan. Speed is bisexual
@@t__9119 Damn they both gay. I ain’t know hulkling was gay
Been waiting for this!
I hope you enjoy the video!
Love your podcast, Shannon Q!
they better keep them aft wanda’s breakdown esp wiccan i want the first official ✨gay✨ in the mcu in future movies 🥺
Y
Hope we get to see them as a couple in a young avengers show
tommy’s bisexual!! they would have both a gay character and a bi character if disney just. stopped being cowards
@@professional.procrastionat1041 or just not at all
@@TGC- wow so cool you voiced ur opinion!! unfortunately, i didn’t ask for it and the fact that you came to this comment to give your crap takes just proves that ur desperate for attention!! so with that said, please shut up and go make your own comment if you really need someone to pay attention to you
sitting down to watch this video after having finished Wandavision makes things SO MUCH more interesting! plus, this is one hell of a backstory
Wanda is the right character to bring the multiverse together in mcu. If they decide to use that multiverse nexus concept. They could even play up her being magnetos deceased daughter in age of apocalypse or quicksilver sister from days of future past.
That’s the fox universe 😂
@@abbyanderson2463 yeah 😶 I know that. I was saying how it could bridge the gap. It's irrelevant now anyway.
@@abbyanderson2463 😆 smh
@@mangamegs ik but why would they wanna bring fox characters into the MCU. I feel like Feige would want creative control, and it just feels sloppy to me. I personally hope no one from the fox universe comes to the MCU.
@@abbyanderson2463 why tho?? i would love to see x men fight crime with marvel heroes
I remember that 12 issue limited series that started it all. So much detail...delivered fantastically.
Also....
I'm an old X-Men fan from way back. I've been an X man fan since the early 80's.I do my best to overlook wanda's sin but oh boy.... I get hot when I hear "no more mutants"
I can sympathize with why she did it, but I can't even imagine how horrible it would have felt to have your power suddenly stripped away from you.
if you read the comic, they basically say it wasn't her who did it. As per usual, when she does bad shit she's being controlled by something or someone else. In this case she was both being used as doom's personal charger and influenced by pure energy that gave her the power to alter reality to begin with. I'm not too happy with any of wanda's storylines because she never has agency but at least she didn't cause mutant genocide willingly.
What I find cool is that both of them are in the lgbt community, Billy's gay and Tommy's bi
I really hope they show their sexuality.
@@kal928 why are you straight? Semes kinda odd to me
@@kal928 why not
K
@Evangeline Sterup (2025) your gay awakening was Korra???
The young avengers seem to be planned in a future MCU project. Can you just imagine having Wiccan and Hulkling, a gay couple in the MCU? That would be amazing!
This is amazing. The story was laid out properly in a very short time. Some comic book explained viedos take hours to watch.
Thank you! I do my best to focus on the things that I think are interesting or relevant to the story and summarize the rest.
Finally she reunite with her children😭❤️❤️
I hate so much how they changed the parentage of Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver from Magneto to some D tier character because of the whole Fox/Disney thing but eventually they will return to the status quo that they once were one reason for saying is because and I know a lot don’t collect Marvel Legends action figures but they not too long ago came out with a Family Matters 3 pack with Magneto, Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver and a lot of people may not know but all the figures that Hasbro makes and their relations has to be approved by Marvel Comics themselves and with the whole Fox merger deal that’s also a given that they’ll return as mutants and lastly in Wanda Vision Quicksilver returned but it wasn’t the MCU version it was the Fox version who is the son of Magneto but that’s just a few things but I really hope they return as Magneto’s children in the end
I am so thankful to have found this: when this story unfolded, I was not able to read it or follow it. I always wondered how everything played out and now I got to see it as if I had read it. THANK YOU.
Wow! This was an AMAZING recap of Marvel comics history! Idk how you did it - this is almost 50 YEARS of history!
Thank you. Your videos have been very informative
I'm glad you like them!
Wiccan is my favorite character! This was a fantastic video! 😊👍🏼
now let us hope they cast a talented fine young actor for 'young avengers' and stay true to his relationship with hulkling. wonder how big the chances of that happening are
@@granville7 is so sad why have to be so scared of them straight washing them
But oh well fingers crossed
@@libragoddess98287 easy - maximising profits. #1 if it is marketed for kids and Wiccan/Hulkling are portrayed openly gay then some parents might object and the product flops at the box office. #2 worse: countries like China ban the whole thing and Marvel certainly wants to milk the Chinese market too.
lets hope Marvel managers show some backbone and allow it anyway. that would be so great
@@granville7 i know and that's what makes me sad like you already have ENOUGH money as it is, just give the representation which is deserved.
Idk why I cried watching this. Like, imagine the suffering of a mother that lost her children, there's nothing they wouldn't do to get answers😭
This guy knows his stuff, good video
Awesome to watch this after WandaVision.
Is flipping called it. I bloody knew billy was Wiccan, his Halloween costume looked really familiar and then it just clicked and boom !!!!!
@Mighty God Of Thy H*ps ik there weren't hiding it that much but I was just really excited. Sorry 😅
Thomas Shepherd aka SPEED and Billy Kaplan aka WICCAN are 2 of DIAMONDS 👑💜Happy Birthday to SPEED AND WICCAN Blessings and HUGS! 👑💜
Am I the only one who ships Wiccan and hulkling....
aren’t they married?
Yeeey, the best couple ever
They got married with the biggest and fanciest wedding of the entire universe and the Marvel Comics. Believe me, Wiccan and Hulkling (Wickling) are one of the most popular and loved comic couples. We stan!
@@berkeilbars6379 YES
Wym ship they are married 💀
If billy & tommy were really mephisto shards then why exactly are they fading away if wanda doesnt concentrate on them? They already have a power source outside of wanda
The MCU is changing story comics ..Still early though in series
We will learn about them in multiverse of madness.
@@erenakay8873 Wanda hasn’t come in contact with mephisto at all this ain’t the comics
Keep these coming! Great work!
I like your content! No segways. Direct to the story.
This feel like I watched the upcoming dr strange in the multiverse madness.
I love the young avengers they are really awesome
...AH! IM AN IDIOT. Lego Marvel superheroes. The err, avengers one. Speed was like the character I used the most. THE MOST. I even used Wiccan every now and then. Then I watch Wanda vision. Good show, great show. I see the kids practically IN COSTUME and don't suspect a thing. Again, I'm an idiot
I STILL PLAY THAT GAME :0
What a lovely ending, she finally got what she want.
This was such a beautiful story 🥺🥺
For a second i thought i was watching discovery channel. The narrator sound legit
I ain’t never seen a more looped hole story in my life. This is what I call entertainment.
This was awesome! Thank you for making this!!
Thank you so much for this. I can't wait to see how all this translate over to TV and movies!
So most people are taking the Mephisto angle but it sounds like the Kang angle is in place here on the bigger scale.
Could Kang be the supervillain in place to see out phase 4/5? I reckon so
I think Mephisto will be the Ultron of this next phase & Kang will be the Thanos of this next phase.
Anyone notice in one of the WandaVision episodes you see the remains of the grim reaper? Is immortus at play here?.
Naaa I only take a sad ultra powerful woman angle
Wow!! I'm or was an avid comic book collector or graphic novels. I stopped literary 20 years ago so their is so much storyline I never had the chance to read. Now I finally get to know about the house of M and how all of earth's mutants disappeared. Thank you 😊..
Wiccan and hulkling are perfect
If we don’t get young avengers as a sequel series to wandavision I’m going to be HEATED
Kate bishop and America Chavez already have their own series, I think the team deserves a movie
They're building towards that.
@@homorockerbloguero5079 America Chavez doesn't have a series...only Kate does as Hawkeye...Ms. Chavez is going to be introduced through Dr. Strange 2...also Cassie Lang as Stature is going to be introduced in Antman & he wasp 3 ....other young characters who has a Series coming up are Iron Heart (Riri Williams) & Ms. Marvel (Kamala Khan)...since these 2 r not YA in the comics...MCU might include them into the Young Avengers team.
13:52 I really shouldn’t find that panel funny but I do 😭
Bravo, good job man seriously.
Thank you for this great video!
The allegory (not a typo just a substitute word) of UA-cam suggested I should watch your video and I decided to watch and subscribe! Good video, mate!
My prediction of characters there going to introduce in wandavision: wonder man, mephisto, magneto, immortis, grim reaper, and the true form of Agatha harkens
Thank you for saving me a lot of Pre-Young Avengers volume 1
reading :)
I know it's supposed to be horrifying, but the baby hands image makes me laugh every single time.
24:52 wow, i see Elizabeth Olsen Omg
You're right
Wow. Really good story telling mate. That was peachy. 👍
Damn you explained everything so well, now I'm more intrigue in reading Marvel comics
Thanks for the recommendations, I might look into it
I LOVE THIS SO MUCH. I LOVE BILLY SO MUCH 🥰😭
this was awesome you unraveled the confusion of her backstory through all the retcons lol. but yes cover the VISIONS next that was a crazy story.
Love these videos.
Lots of reading to do over the weekend. I def have some research to do on these 2 seeing they are most definitely Young Avengers Bound
Tom Kings Vision was excellent! I am sure you would do an amazing job on it.
7:58 Imagine this in wandervision.
Will be interesting if they end up adding these kids to a future "Young Avengers" perhaps. But the MCU will take quite some time to get there.
Unless, of course, they toss in a Time Skip
Fantastic recap!
Wow. That's one convoluted, continuity, comic history.
thanks for this. truly!
They are all blaming Wanda for going crazy when in fact it’s the people around her who made her like that. Imagine being manipulated by the people you trust. She doesn’t deserve it. She just wanted to be happy.
Scarlet Witch has one of the best costumes in the Marvel comics (at least her classic leotard and cape, not today’s bulky jumpsuit worn so as not to “offend” anyone).
What do you think Speed and Wiccan are going to be like in the MCU and that too in the Wanda Vision TV show? Which actors do you think should play them?
Troye Sivan or Louis Partridge (Tewksburry from Enola Holmes).
@@Azarath_Metrion_Zinthos I really don’t think marvel is going to hire a British teen to play superheroes bye😭
@@itliterallysaysyouaresus4762you do realize Tom Holland is British right?
@@meep9231 i commented this 2 years ago bro idek what i was yappin about
@@itliterallysaysyouaresus4762 ong bro
I always enjoy checking out your videos
Keep up the great work!
Wow thank you so much for the story it's unbelievable the amount of information a comic book can give it's like so much imagination you really need to put your mind to absorb all do information just wow
Great freaking video man👍🏾
Time twisters be like: you fool, we were never the time keepers, we were the time twisters muhahaha!!
And scene.
It's worth noting that while Wanda did depower more than 90% of the mutant population, Jean Grey's children were unaffected because Jean, then as White Phoenix, saved them from the effects of the No More Mutants spell. Later on, this same Wanda faced and seemingly "defeated" the Phoenix force that was housed as separate shards in the bodies of the Phoenix Five. However, before anyone gets any bright ideas thinking that she's more powerful than Jean Grey or Phoenix for that matter, she isn't. It was later revealed that she was able to bend reality with an external power upgrade. Also, the Phoenix she "defeated" was merely one of its missing pieces. As the Phoenix Force is the entity responsible for granting and denying a being its life force in all of Marvel's timelines, no being is really capable of truly defeating it save for The One Above All.
What Children? Jean didn't have any children (biological ones) it's her clone Madelyn Prior who has children with Scott i believe...Jean committed suicide at the finale of Dark
phoenix saga on the blue side of the moon to save the multiverse.
@@Azarath_Metrion_Zinthos When was the last time you picked up an X-Men comic book, the 80s? Lol. Rachel Summers is her biological daughter from an alternate future and while Cable is techinically Madelyne's son, Jean considers him her son being that Madelyne is her clone. It was White Phoenix Jean that pulled Rachel out of the 616 reality. Cable was also unaffected.
Jean also considers Nate Grey, the perfected form of Cable as her son so she actually has quite a few children that are technically hers because they were produced from her DNA mixed with Scott's.
Please do Agatha Harkness backstory now!
Does this mean that you're going to do history of all the members of the Young Avengers? Is the next one going to be Kate Bishop Hawkeye?
I'm surprised you left out his time with the STAR MASTERS. He lost his Asgardian-ness but still posessed Stormbreaker in an altered form.
I always loved Wiccan.
Another excellent job. Thanks.
I damn near cried when you said Excelsior. We all miss him.