@CelestialTina I read your discussion with TekelBrighteyes and I feel your pain. I've had exchanges like that on UA-cam myself. It's kind of like trying to pour water into a sieve, isn't it?
@TekelBrighteyes 1) There is only ONE evolution theory 2) Evolution is not Abiogenesis. 3) Evolution is NOT random chance. Mutations are random chance, but natural selection is NOT random chance.
@TekelBrighteyes Sorry for the late reply. Funny you said stalemate, my brother sent me a quote from Christopher Hitchens yesterday which I thought just brilliantly fits our discussion: "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."
@WiccanHighPriest0 Just thought it was funny how you said "you'll get into jail" before you said "it's a cruel thing to do to another human being". Priorities.
@Anathiron That is not what I said. I said that when the majority of experts in a particular field of study agree on an explanation, you can be pretty sure that it is true. In the case of your example, it would have to be all of the world's geologists implying that the earth is flat. However, no one that I would call sane would claim that the earth is flat.
@TekelBrighteyes I've heard this "life must come from life" before. How are you defining "life"? What are the requirements for something to be considered "alive"?
@CFaux220 Fair enough, apologies if my tone came across as harsh. It's true that abiogenesis is a field that still requires a lot more research put into it, and unfortunately not enough time is being put into the field. It is important to note, though, that even if by some chance we are the products of a creator (though I can't see how such things are possible), evolution would still remain a fact.
@AdamArchangel that's fair, only thing is, its an incomplete theory, having and working on an incomplete theory isn't a problem for me, trying to teach it and pass it off as fact is a problem for me.
Do you even know what a "theory" is? Theories explain facts. Evolution happens. The Theory of Evolution through Natural Selection explains the mechanism by which evolution happens. The theory is supported by massive amounts of data, experimentation, and facts.
@AdamArchangel are you kidding? we both kept our heads together, considering our venue we should be receiving plaques with our names on them. i can agree with what you said (aside the creator thing) glad we could come to that agreement.
@Havenfall I understand where you're coming from, I'm just saying it's much easier to prove something that's happened fairly recently than something that's been going on for billions of years.
@RigOfDoom I am already aware of Lenski's papers, I have read them. They talk about life mutating, not about how life came to be. My original question is still unanswered.
To the people who have come here purely to relax and enjoy the comedy, NOT to have religious rants at each other that nobody else is going to read: Could you please tell me why Sheldon went back to live with his mother? I've only just started watching so I don't know what the others did to humiliate him, and Wikipedia isn't that detailed in it's synopsis!
@Quacki29 they went to the north pole. Note: SPOILER ALERT!!!!! TURN BACK NOW IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS. To find magnetic monopoles, but couldn't find any and sheldon was getting very hard to live with, So the guys faked some results with an oven and sheldon thought he had done it. Then the guys told him the truth.
@Spudskie Especially when much of the goal of science is to assume you don't understand reality, that you don't know the answers and then systematically searching for them. Not to seek things to support the answers you assume you had all along. Then in a mixed religious team we'd have Hindus searching for praja manifestation fluxes, Christians for souls, and Buddhists for chi leptons because their respective doctrines claim these things to be truths that they already "know" are true.
@durburstark225 Well, take your pick. There's comparative anatomy, predictions (from evolutionary theory) for geographical distribution, we got evidence from paleontology, comparative biochemistry, observed speciation, artificial selection, and of course genetics.
@CFaux220 Fair enough, apologies if my tone came across as harsh, I tend to react in a snappy way. It is true that the evidence for abiogenesis still needs more investigation, and unfortunately it isn't a field that a lot of people are putting time into. It's just important to note that abiogenesis and evolution are two completely separate fields; even if by some chance we are the products of some kind of creator (though I can't see how), evolution still remains a fact =]
@blobbers18 There is no difference between microevolution and macroevolution for biologists. Only creationists differentiate the two. If you want to differentiate the two, define macro evolution, and provide an example. You can test evolution based on the predictions it makes. Evolution states that you will not find pre-Cambrian rabbits. Evolution also states we are close cousins to chimpanzees, but further cousins to birds. Both of these predictions have been thoroughly tested, and confirmed.
@TekelBrighteyes By the way, gravity, like evolution, is both a theory and a fact. The fact of gravity is the observable occurence of it, like the fact of evolution is the observable occurence of it. The Law of Gravity is mathematical expression of that observance (since evolution utilizes random mutations, among other factors, I don't think it could be mathematically expressed as a Law). The theory of gravity, like evolution, is the explanation of what we see and its cause.
@TekelBrighteyes A scientific theory doesn't mean the explanation must be correct, it means it is a coherent explanation that takes the relevant observable facts into consideration. A theory can be wrong (ToE), in fact all science must be falsifiable in order for it to be science. But the ToE is one of the strongest theories out there, in that it is supported by many different fields of science and is not contradicted by any observable facts, something the theory of gravity can't claim.
@TekelBrighteyes I don't think being a physics student is a credential in a biology discussion, I mentioned it in a different context, u might wanna re-read that. I'll base my answers to your questions on what I've heard from real biologists: 1) Newsflash: the missing links are no longer missing! It was true in Darwin's time, but since then, they've all been found. You'd know it if you'd read a biology book written later than 1859. 2) same as above. If you want a really good book ....
@WiccanHighPriest0 I'm not sure which of my comments you're referring to, but I checked your website to see what sort of person you are, and found a goldmine. A few quotes from you: "Magic is real and witches are real, [...] [and also] sorcery and high magic." "I've experienced seeing into the future more than once." Priceless But on the disturbing side, on your list of reasons why rape is bad, this is no.1: "it can lead to life imprisonment" Now, how can I ever take anything you say seriously?
@Anathiron A scientific theory is an explanation used to best explain an observed phenomena. Of course science is always changing, that's the point, but when all experts in a certain field agree on an explanation, you can damn sure accept that it is true.
@minipancho94 Hahaha, that's pretty funny, I was talking to my dad the other day about this discussion and he said something very similar, "you should have told the creationist that the "talking chimp" is him", but I'm on my good behaviour now so I try not to insult them too much XD
@FGP02 Oh I usually use Sam Harris as a reference. I do have a large repertoire of arguments against creationists. I just need something with more sarcasm in it. I try to avoid being condescending, but I can't. :-)
@TekelBrighteyes I know I said I was done with the discussion but I just couldn't help myself. And boy was it worth it. I've actually found a person who will go so far to prove his/her point they'll even say they belive in Thor and Odin. And here I was just watching scenes from Big Bang Theory XD Why your beliefs hurt me? Stupidity hurts me. I'm sensitive to stupidity. I'd even go so far as saying allergic.
@iBLookinATu The comparison isn't mine, though. Richard Dawkins, an expert on the subject of evolution, made the statement that we have as much evidence, if not more, for evolution than the holocaust.
@steeleydan65 Let's try this again: Theory: something we understand in great detail and has been proven though EXPERIMENT a billion times. At least. Law: has same criteria as theory, but is more specific in application. Like the law of motion applies to physical moving things. Ohm's law applies to electrical currents etc. Theories consist of laws. I'm a little confused with some of the things you said, can't tell if it's sarcasm or not... I think we agree with eachother, basically?
@deedubya286 Haha, yeah, "science discussions" on youtube are just one big facepalm. The word 'frustrating' also comes to mind. But it never ceases to baffle me how impossible it is to explain something to them. I used to think that you could actually win with logical reasoning. Boy was I wrong... -_-
@futurestar94britfan most probably the actress is the same age or younger than the regular actors. You would be surprised how in amny ocassions young actresses play the role of older women. Like the mother in "The Graduate" was played by an actress that was actually younger than Dustin Hoffman
@Spudskie Being a physicist myself, it's true that some do believe in God (or Allah, or Vishnu), yet I've never met one that even remotely believes in the creation story. If we're studying the interrelation between relativity and quantum mechanics via the subatomic particulars at varies moments after the big bang, then I just don't understand how one would rationalize the Abrahamic, Dharma, or any other creation stories while maintaining such a logically demanding career.
@steeleydan65 No, THEORY is the highest status anything can get in science. If you look it up, there are many different uses for the word, and a lot of people don't seem to know this and mistakenly think a theory is "just a theory". There is a difference between the colloquial use, and how scientists use it. A law is similar to a theory in that it's very true, but it only applies to a limited number of situations. And btw, gravity is part of the General THEORY of Relativity, ie, it's a theory.
@blobbers18 Cambrian explosion that happened over millions of years? Despite the fact it was quick in evolutionary time it's still a very long process.and with conditions willing theres no reason why there couldn't be a big boom in accelerated evolution. Cells don't just reproduce A sexually they also have the ability to work with other cells and also borrow genes from other cells via horizontal gene transfer. (cont)
People would be very surprised to know just how many people with science degrees believe in God and in Creation. I remember hearing a radio program with a rabbi who also had a Phd in genetics. Very fascinating discussion which led me to believe that God and science can live together.
@CFaux220 How is it an incomplete theory? The evidence for evolution is so high that you could literally make a mountain out of it. Our DNA alone proves that evolution is entirely possible, and things like fossil records and comparative embryology just further cement it as a scientific fact.
@RigOfDoom Craig's experiments did not create life from non-life, or using the original conditions of the earth, but from present DNA. Also, you only reaffirm my point. That life that was created must be, let me use your words, "CREATED". Yes, but those protein strings are used as messages
@TekelBrighteyes Besides, the whole premise of creationism is god. Without god, no creationism. If I can disprove god, I've disproven creationism. Try this: I think the no.1 reason people in the developed world believe in god is cause he's been passed down through generations. If we all had collective amnesia about god, NOBODY in the developed world would invent him, because in our time of knowledge and relative prosperity, there is no need for god as an explanation for ANYTHING.
Just cuz a race evolve to other it dont makes the initial race stop existing... this is why fish exists even if land animals come from fish... my inglish sux... but u can understand...
@sickrandr. A teansitional species in evolutionary parlance means a species in he process of evolving into another species, having characteristics of both. A lizard with wings, say. Or a mnnkey that can talk (without help from genetic engineering aka planet of the apes.
@TekelBrighteyes One of the many facts that creationists seem to miss is that even the simplest form of life on Earth today is the result of over 3 billion years of successful evolution. Only creationism says that life began in the forms we see today. No one knows what the simplest possible form of life is because it has never been seen. I'm willing to wait for the day when the secret is cracked and new life is generated in the lab and I'm looking forward to reading your denial of it.
@TekelBrighteyes For the last time: WE. DID. NOT. EVOLVE. FROM. CHIMPS. You have just proven that you know virtually nothing about evolution. Good day to you.
@RigOfDoom You totally answered around my question. There is still the question of how everything got there? Did it occur by natural causes, there is a virtually zero chance of that, or by design? Billions of years does not prove evolution. Also, things that were dated using radiometric dating my not also be correct. For instance, when new rock is dated, or rocks of known age, the date comes out radically exaggerated.
@TekelBrighteyes Disliking evolutionists doesn't make evolution wrong. If you find another "view" to be more correct, you owe it to yourself to change your mind. Let me tell you about changing ones mind. My mother's side is very catholic. She is the worst die-hard creatonist. I used to believe all sorts of crazy shit as a teen: spirits, wicca, dreams foretelling the future, even god. As I learned more about the world, I realized I had been wrong. So don't tell me about keeping an open mind ;)
@RigOfDoom God did not have to get here. He transcends time because he created it. Keep in mind that i never mentioned God either, i mentioned a designer. You still left most of my question unanswered. How did the first organism get here, when it's DNA had enough messages to fill 1,000 encyclopedias (usually some intelligence is required when sending out messages; nature doesn't do that)? That has never been recreated observed.
@MoonlessdarkVI Yeah, but if Sheldon believied in Creationism the show wouldn't be believable. He's a scientist, geek and generally portrayed as a genius... only morons believe in creationism. But I love that his mum (especially as she's Texan), believes in Creationism. It seems so silly but it's comedy genius without even needing to write a joke.
@blobbers18 I realize that many people who have reviewed and accepted evolution can be pricks to creationists. Many also fail to appreciate the overwhelming mathimatical miracle of personal existance. Truth: you can see God would see no blasphemy in studying all the math and science that man can intellectually produce, because I am sure if God exists he's not afraid of you finding out he doesn't. I suggest checking out the 80s show Cosmos, start veiwing science as a question, not an answer.
@TekelBrighteyes Now you do sound angry. Yes I attack your ideas, it's called arguing. Did I say there were 1% biogenesists/creationists out there? NO, I said, 1% of respected scientists might be believers. Learn to read. And what are these facts you keep talking about? I just hear empty babble. I'm not disliking your ideas, I'm disagreeing. You answered absolutely none of my points, I take that as a win then. Thanks for playing, BYE~~!
It's creepy how close this is to actual conversations I've had.
This is so hilarious!!!
Sheldon loves his mom but can't stand her religious beliefs!
I couldn't stop laughing!!!
I LOVE SHELDON"S MOM!!!!
Sheldon: evolution isnt an opinion its fact
Sheldon's mom: and that is your opinion!
Huge high five to sheldon's mother!!!! :D
Sheldon loses to Creationism? THAT IS FRIGGING GOLD! LOL XD
“Don’t tell me prayer doesn’t work.” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I love all the mothers in this show! :D
One of the best dialogues...
One of my favorite scenes. So funny.
@CelestialTina I read your discussion with TekelBrighteyes and I feel your pain. I've had exchanges like that on UA-cam myself.
It's kind of like trying to pour water into a sieve, isn't it?
And THAT is your opinion
@TekelBrighteyes 1) There is only ONE evolution theory 2) Evolution is not Abiogenesis. 3) Evolution is NOT random chance. Mutations are random chance, but natural selection is NOT random chance.
@TekelBrighteyes Sorry for the late reply. Funny you said stalemate, my brother sent me a quote from Christopher Hitchens yesterday which I thought just brilliantly fits our discussion:
"That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."
I love it when Creationists try to tell us that it's "only a theory!" There is a big difference between a scientific theory and a general theory.
Correct. And macro-evolution is a general theory masquerading as science.
LOL Howard looks like Woody from Toy Story :P Except Woody doesn't have a mustache :P
I am a creationist, and I think this is hilarious
Fantastic. I know exactly how this feels. Fantastic show!
If America came from England, why there is still England?
Look how elegant and beautiful fire is. Do you really think it came about by a chance reaction between oxygen and carbon?
@TekelBrighteyes That's bogus, because sand castles don't reproduce. The old "Tornado in a Junkyard" argument simply doesn't apply.
I knew there would be a flame war.
@WiccanHighPriest0 Just thought it was funny how you said "you'll get into jail" before you said "it's a cruel thing to do to another human being". Priorities.
"Evolution isnt opinion, its fact!"
"And that is your opinion"!
Damn strait
that's my aunt!
:)
Its a TV show people do they have to put a disclaimer at the start of every episode.
@Anathiron That is not what I said. I said that when the majority of experts in a particular field of study agree on an explanation, you can be pretty sure that it is true. In the case of your example, it would have to be all of the world's geologists implying that the earth is flat. However, no one that I would call sane would claim that the earth is flat.
@TekelBrighteyes I've heard this "life must come from life" before. How are you defining "life"? What are the requirements for something to be considered "alive"?
@CFaux220 Fair enough, apologies if my tone came across as harsh. It's true that abiogenesis is a field that still requires a lot more research put into it, and unfortunately not enough time is being put into the field. It is important to note, though, that even if by some chance we are the products of a creator (though I can't see how such things are possible), evolution would still remain a fact.
run Sheldon, run! for the sake of your sanity! (whatever is left of it at this point)
You're taking what's in a comedy show as truth. Enough said.
@AdamArchangel that's fair, only thing is, its an incomplete theory, having and working on an incomplete theory isn't a problem for me, trying to teach it and pass it off as fact is a problem for me.
Also, sorry to the poster for clogging up the comments like this XD
Do you even know what a "theory" is? Theories explain facts. Evolution happens. The Theory of Evolution through Natural Selection explains the mechanism by which evolution happens. The theory is supported by massive amounts of data, experimentation, and facts.
i wish everyone arguing would just shut up. im a christian and i love this show
@AdamArchangel are you kidding? we both kept our heads together, considering our venue we should be receiving plaques with our names on them. i can agree with what you said (aside the creator thing) glad we could come to that agreement.
@Havenfall
I understand where you're coming from, I'm just saying it's much easier to prove something that's happened fairly recently than something that's been going on for billions of years.
@RigOfDoom I am already aware of Lenski's papers, I have read them. They talk about life mutating, not about how life came to be. My original question is still unanswered.
i love sheldon moms she rocks
I would rather use the term, ignorants.
They're not all idiots.
To the people who have come here purely to relax and enjoy the comedy, NOT to have religious rants at each other that nobody else is going to read:
Could you please tell me why Sheldon went back to live with his mother? I've only just started watching so I don't know what the others did to humiliate him, and Wikipedia isn't that detailed in it's synopsis!
How ironic.
@Quacki29 they went to the north pole. Note: SPOILER ALERT!!!!! TURN BACK NOW IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS. To find magnetic monopoles, but couldn't find any and sheldon was getting very hard to live with, So the guys faked some results with an oven and sheldon thought he had done it. Then the guys told him the truth.
I see your Point I have a new theory maybe we are all Sims :D
I don't know. I'd just like to see on "transitional species" just once.
@Spudskie Especially when much of the goal of science is to assume you don't understand reality, that you don't know the answers and then systematically searching for them. Not to seek things to support the answers you assume you had all along. Then in a mixed religious team we'd have Hindus searching for praja manifestation fluxes, Christians for souls, and Buddhists for chi leptons because their respective doctrines claim these things to be truths that they already "know" are true.
@TekelBrighteyes I didn't say I was a physicist, I said I STUDY it, actually I'm in my first year lol. ie, not a physicist.
@durburstark225
Well, take your pick. There's comparative anatomy, predictions (from evolutionary theory) for geographical distribution, we got evidence from paleontology, comparative biochemistry, observed speciation, artificial selection, and of course genetics.
And that would you be your misinformed opinion considering how well it does in the ratings right now.
@CFaux220 Fair enough, apologies if my tone came across as harsh, I tend to react in a snappy way. It is true that the evidence for abiogenesis still needs more investigation, and unfortunately it isn't a field that a lot of people are putting time into. It's just important to note that abiogenesis and evolution are two completely separate fields; even if by some chance we are the products of some kind of creator (though I can't see how), evolution still remains a fact =]
@blobbers18 There is no difference between microevolution and macroevolution for biologists. Only creationists differentiate the two.
If you want to differentiate the two, define macro evolution, and provide an example.
You can test evolution based on the predictions it makes. Evolution states that you will not find pre-Cambrian rabbits. Evolution also states we are close cousins to chimpanzees, but further cousins to birds. Both of these predictions have been thoroughly tested, and confirmed.
things can just appear... hawkings can tell you how...
@TekelBrighteyes By the way, gravity, like evolution, is both a theory and a fact. The fact of gravity is the observable occurence of it, like the fact of evolution is the observable occurence of it. The Law of Gravity is mathematical expression of that observance (since evolution utilizes random mutations, among other factors, I don't think it could be mathematically expressed as a Law). The theory of gravity, like evolution, is the explanation of what we see and its cause.
@TekelBrighteyes A scientific theory doesn't mean the explanation must be correct, it means it is a coherent explanation that takes the relevant observable facts into consideration. A theory can be wrong (ToE), in fact all science must be falsifiable in order for it to be science. But the ToE is one of the strongest theories out there, in that it is supported by many different fields of science and is not contradicted by any observable facts, something the theory of gravity can't claim.
@TekelBrighteyes I don't think being a physics student is a credential in a biology discussion, I mentioned it in a different context, u might wanna re-read that.
I'll base my answers to your questions on what I've heard from real biologists:
1) Newsflash: the missing links are no longer missing! It was true in Darwin's time, but since then, they've all been found. You'd know it if you'd read a biology book written later than 1859.
2) same as above. If you want a really good book ....
@WiccanHighPriest0 I'm not sure which of my comments you're referring to, but I checked your website to see what sort of person you are, and found a goldmine.
A few quotes from you: "Magic is real and witches are real, [...] [and also] sorcery and high magic."
"I've experienced seeing into the future more than once."
Priceless
But on the disturbing side, on your list of reasons why rape is bad, this is no.1: "it can lead to life imprisonment"
Now, how can I ever take anything you say seriously?
6 people are creationists.
@Anathiron A scientific theory is an explanation used to best explain an observed phenomena. Of course science is always changing, that's the point, but when all experts in a certain field agree on an explanation, you can damn sure accept that it is true.
@minipancho94 Hahaha, that's pretty funny, I was talking to my dad the other day about this discussion and he said something very similar, "you should have told the creationist that the "talking chimp" is him", but I'm on my good behaviour now so I try not to insult them too much XD
That's Laurie Metcalf. Jackie from Roseanne.
Was there a punchline? I think your video cut off the punchline...
@blobbers18 What? the tree is not an actual object and what does evolution have to do with panspermia?
@FGP02 Oh I usually use Sam Harris as a reference. I do have a large repertoire of arguments against creationists. I just need something with more sarcasm in it. I try to avoid being condescending, but I can't. :-)
@TekelBrighteyes I know I said I was done with the discussion but I just couldn't help myself. And boy was it worth it. I've actually found a person who will go so far to prove his/her point they'll even say they belive in Thor and Odin. And here I was just watching scenes from Big Bang Theory XD
Why your beliefs hurt me? Stupidity hurts me. I'm sensitive to stupidity. I'd even go so far as saying allergic.
@iBLookinATu
The comparison isn't mine, though. Richard Dawkins, an expert on the subject of evolution, made the statement that we have as much evidence, if not more, for evolution than the holocaust.
@steeleydan65 Let's try this again:
Theory: something we understand in great detail and has been proven though EXPERIMENT a billion times. At least.
Law: has same criteria as theory, but is more specific in application. Like the law of motion applies to physical moving things. Ohm's law applies to electrical currents etc. Theories consist of laws.
I'm a little confused with some of the things you said, can't tell if it's sarcasm or not... I think we agree with eachother, basically?
@deedubya286 Haha, yeah, "science discussions" on youtube are just one big facepalm. The word 'frustrating' also comes to mind. But it never ceases to baffle me how impossible it is to explain something to them. I used to think that you could actually win with logical reasoning. Boy was I wrong... -_-
maybe the sims is the real world and were being controlled by them O_O so we are The Sims OMG I have turned into Conspiracy Keanu
@futurestar94britfan most probably the actress is the same age or younger than the regular actors. You would be surprised how in amny ocassions young actresses play the role of older women. Like the mother in "The Graduate" was played by an actress that was actually younger than Dustin Hoffman
@Spudskie Being a physicist myself, it's true that some do believe in God (or Allah, or Vishnu), yet I've never met one that even remotely believes in the creation story. If we're studying the interrelation between relativity and quantum mechanics via the subatomic particulars at varies moments after the big bang, then I just don't understand how one would rationalize the Abrahamic, Dharma, or any other creation stories while maintaining such a logically demanding career.
Sheldon is a boss
Its just a show--a damn funny one at that
Todavía aguanta la mamá de Sheldon.
@steeleydan65 No, THEORY is the highest status anything can get in science. If you look it up, there are many different uses for the word, and a lot of people don't seem to know this and mistakenly think a theory is "just a theory".
There is a difference between the colloquial use, and how scientists use it. A law is similar to a theory in that it's very true, but it only applies to a limited number of situations.
And btw, gravity is part of the General THEORY of Relativity, ie, it's a theory.
@durburstark225 ; atomic theory is also a THEORY. Atoms are also facts just like evolution
@blobbers18 Cambrian explosion that happened over millions of years? Despite the fact it was quick in evolutionary time it's still a very long process.and with conditions willing theres no reason why there couldn't be a big boom in accelerated evolution. Cells don't just reproduce A sexually they also have the ability to work with other cells and also borrow genes from other cells via horizontal gene transfer. (cont)
People would be very surprised to know just how many people with science degrees believe in God and in Creation. I remember hearing a radio program with a rabbi who also had a Phd in genetics. Very fascinating discussion which led me to believe that God and science can live together.
@CFaux220 How is it an incomplete theory? The evidence for evolution is so high that you could literally make a mountain out of it. Our DNA alone proves that evolution is entirely possible, and things like fossil records and comparative embryology just further cement it as a scientific fact.
irony impaired
@RigOfDoom Craig's experiments did not create life from non-life, or using the original conditions of the earth, but from present DNA. Also, you only reaffirm my point. That life that was created must be, let me use your words, "CREATED".
Yes, but those protein strings are used as messages
Is not Sheldons mother some kind of scientist? Or am I mixing them up?
No, that was Leonard's (a psychologist).
Aurora Paz Viruet
Oh yes you are right.
@TekelBrighteyes Besides, the whole premise of creationism is god. Without god, no creationism. If I can disprove god, I've disproven creationism.
Try this: I think the no.1 reason people in the developed world believe in god is cause he's been passed down through generations. If we all had collective amnesia about god, NOBODY in the developed world would invent him, because in our time of knowledge and relative prosperity, there is no need for god as an explanation for ANYTHING.
@TehJedicake Of course it has a lot of pro science stuff. It focuses on two theoretical Physicists living together!
leaornard's mum is hilrious she shud be a permanent fixture!!
Just cuz a race evolve to other it dont makes the initial race stop existing... this is why fish exists even if land animals come from fish... my inglish sux... but u can understand...
Ok Fact Core tell the one about nothing becoming everything again
@sickrandr. A teansitional species in evolutionary parlance means a species in he process of evolving into another species, having characteristics of both. A lizard with wings, say. Or a mnnkey that can talk (without help from genetic engineering aka planet of the apes.
Was there a joke somewhere in there? I heard the laugh track which usually signifies a joke but that wasn't funny at all
@steeleydan65 Unless that was sarcasm too, I humbly thank you. But you gotta admit, the bar is set pretty damn low :P
@TekelBrighteyes
One of the many facts that creationists seem to miss is that even the simplest form of life on Earth today is the result of over 3 billion years of successful evolution. Only creationism says that life began in the forms we see today.
No one knows what the simplest possible form of life is because it has never been seen.
I'm willing to wait for the day when the secret is cracked and new life is generated in the lab and I'm looking forward to reading your denial of it.
@TekelBrighteyes For the last time: WE. DID. NOT. EVOLVE. FROM. CHIMPS. You have just proven that you know virtually nothing about evolution. Good day to you.
@RigOfDoom You totally answered around my question. There is still the question of how everything got there? Did it occur by natural causes, there is a virtually zero chance of that, or by design?
Billions of years does not prove evolution. Also, things that were dated using radiometric dating my not also be correct. For instance, when new rock is dated, or rocks of known age, the date comes out radically exaggerated.
@TekelBrighteyes Disliking evolutionists doesn't make evolution wrong. If you find another "view" to be more correct, you owe it to yourself to change your mind.
Let me tell you about changing ones mind. My mother's side is very catholic. She is the worst die-hard creatonist. I used to believe all sorts of crazy shit as a teen: spirits, wicca, dreams foretelling the future, even god. As I learned more about the world, I realized I had been wrong. So don't tell me about keeping an open mind ;)
@RigOfDoom God did not have to get here. He transcends time because he created it. Keep in mind that i never mentioned God either, i mentioned a designer. You still left most of my question unanswered. How did the first organism get here, when it's DNA had enough messages to fill 1,000 encyclopedias (usually some intelligence is required when sending out messages; nature doesn't do that)? That has never been recreated observed.
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Yeah, but if Sheldon believied in Creationism the show wouldn't be believable. He's a scientist, geek and generally portrayed as a genius... only morons believe in creationism. But I love that his mum (especially as she's Texan), believes in Creationism. It seems so silly but it's comedy genius without even needing to write a joke.
@barraki92reborn fact, that's an opinion, therefore making your entire argument void. (Im not a creationist)
@blobbers18 I realize that many people who have reviewed and accepted evolution can be pricks to creationists. Many also fail to appreciate the overwhelming mathimatical miracle of personal existance. Truth: you can see God would see no blasphemy in studying all the math and science that man can intellectually produce, because I am sure if God exists he's not afraid of you finding out he doesn't. I suggest checking out the 80s show Cosmos, start veiwing science as a question, not an answer.
No respect.
@TekelBrighteyes Now you do sound angry. Yes I attack your ideas, it's called arguing. Did I say there were 1% biogenesists/creationists out there? NO, I said, 1% of respected scientists might be believers. Learn to read.
And what are these facts you keep talking about? I just hear empty babble. I'm not disliking your ideas, I'm disagreeing.
You answered absolutely none of my points, I take that as a win then. Thanks for playing, BYE~~!
my sister is the same... apparently facts are a matter of opinion these days -facepalm-