Helix TuneEQ tutorial
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- A quick tutorial on how to use Helix built in RTA and speciffically the TuneEQ function.
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FUCK YEAH!!!! THANK YOU BRO, THIS IS WHAT THE HELL I AM TALKING ABOUT...YOU ARE HANDS DOWN THE BEST HELP FOR ANYONE WHO IS LOOKING TO GET INTO SQ, BUT DONT KNOW WERE TO START
Great Vids! As an old school audiophile I learned to build and tune my XOs by ear... but it takes maaaaany hours... 😂 And its not perfect.
Now I finally am going to play with Helix Dsp's and your vids really are a great help!! You explain it really well, not in a hurry, and well informing.
Thanks for your time and dedication to help us hobbyists!!
Oh man, after watching countless videos on you tube about this tuning software, this video finally got me to understand this Helix equalizer software, a million thanks, now my son's car sound MUCH MUCH better, Thank you
Top notch. You are a good presenter. Thanks for the work.
I just got a Helix DSP.3S and had no idea how the software worked.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!
Amazing explanation !! Thank you very much !! Please, continue sharing videos of how to operate the helix DSP tool 5. 🙏👊🔝🔝
Great video thank you.. you should more !
I wish i had this when starting out! Such a clean and easy video to understand, indeed a great job!
Fantastic video! Save me, at least, 3 days to start to tune my system. Thank you a lot!
Thank you! I’m installing very soon a helix m four Dsp and this will help me for sure. I would like some help with AISA, I can’t find enough documentation to fully understand it.
Great tutorial. Thank you!
Great video, Have you taken a look at Helix advanced ISA? Documentation on that is woefully short. What do we do with the RCA line to get it working?
Very nice tutorial. I watched a few times, then purchased a Daytonaudio IMM-6C mic. I am now able to understand and use almost features of the ATF DSP PC TOOL. Thanks a lot.
Hi man .Can you tell me .please at the start of RTA There is source channel option -left or right .When choosing right nothing happens .microphone works but no action on the screen .(only left channel works )Any ideas ?Thank you very much !
I like how the new audisons show cancellations in the built in rta. I think the built in rta in the audisons are a little better than the helix. But helix is a more powerful dsp though. Much more options for tuners. I still for the life of me can’t figure out the crossover sliders in the helix tune eq. This day and age the software in these dsp’s need to be powerful enough to not have to use expensive external tools “jl audio max”. I should be able to do a full tune off of a umik-1.
When you are finish with the individual channels do you do an EQ with all of the drivers on with the pink noise playing.
Nerjius, can you please do a longer Helix DSP RTA tutorial that includes mid bass tuning, front sub and rear sub tuning? While Helix has done everything in their power to make the software user friendly, but the key is that Manual tuning you do, the minute details of electronic and acoustical crossover changes ...
You can watch my video series "tuning for emma" where I go into every little detail. I use rew there, but the principle is the same.
Many thanks for this explanation, very helpful
would love a full tune in helix dsp
Yeah that would be great!!! Even passive channels
Very helpful video! Thanks again for great info and videos 🔈😊
What is the deal with the Virtual Outputs? Let's say we've done this ,should we do the same for the Virtual side again after we set the normal output EQ ?
once again we have similar situation for the Time alignment Tab, If we set the normal Output side should we enter the same values to Virtual Time alignment?
Many thanks for the great videos !
No, you leave the virtual channels alone. The virtual channels are very useful to make global adjustments. For example if you have front l and r virtual channels feeding all the front end, you can make global cuts or boosts in one virtual channel and it will affect all the 3way.
Is there any downside to using tons of narrow EQ bands like that instead of a few carefully chosen parametric wide band EQs?
If the end result is the same, not really. People will talk about "more natural" sound with less EQ,or over EQing or some other stuff. I do whatever needs to be done to get results that I want.
What a great video!!!
Awesome explanation
MAKE A NEXT VIDEO OF ADVANCE INPUT ANALYSER PLZ MORE PEAPLE USE HELIX DSP
The problem is that I don't have a factory head unit, so I never used and probably never will use ISA.
@@RAW-CAt you can use with rca input
@@surajbhan6549 tho whole purpose of AIS is to fix a factory signal that is not flat or has time delay or LL pass filters set. If you are using an aftermarket source, there is absolutely no need to use input analyzer.
@@RAW-CAt i keep learning even from the comment section :D you should open a school :D
When are you using the VCP equaliser? I have really not understand witch equaliser I should use when and where.
I don't use VC EQ🤷 You can use it to manipulate the final house curve if you want to make global adjustments.
It would be interested to see what will show REW when you remeasure tuned speaker with this program if is gonna match same target in REW.
Might do that as well, great idea for a video, thanks👍
@@RAW-CAt yes that would be fun.
I had a Match DSP + pair of Subs installed in my car. I EQ-d the system with the help of your video.
It sounds much better.
Thank you so much!
Now I just have to figure our how to set the gains correctly for the 7 channels (Fronts, Rears, Surrounds + Center + Subs).
Maybe you can make a video on a similar setup. :)
Great video and perfect timing. Just finished my install and now looking to tune it 👍 could you recommend a reasonably priced measurement microphone that would do the job 😊
Umik-1 is perfectly fine for the job👍
@@RAW-CAtdo you need a USB microphone or could you use a usb interface like focusrite and a measurement mic?
Let me ask you one more thing: you talk about lowering gain in the second midrange because you need to match it to the first one. How should I begin to play with gains? Should I measure the subwoofer first ? What gain do you need to set up in your first measure? I’m lost in that subject.
Thanks a lot!
@@Jairolooo both USB mic and interface will work.
Your subwoofer most likely will.he overpowering the system anyways, so the gain on the sub will need to be turned down quite a lot. Just do the drivers one by one and see which one has the lowest level. And match the target to that driver. Reduce the level of all other drivers accordingly.
@@RAW-CAtYou mentioned iMM-6 microphone in other video. Is it still a good budget alternative?
Or should better stretch the budget and get umik-1? Just for personal tuning?
Great tutorial btw ;)
do you play pink noise from the head unit or the helix have built in like rew?
You Have to Play pink noise through your main source. DSP does not have a built in player.
Have you checked to see if what the Helix DSP shows as a response tracks to what REW shows after measurements using REW?
To see if they are the same that is.
Cheers
They are the same, the difference is the smoothing. As I measure 1/48th with rew, so it's more detailed.
@@RAW-CAt thank you so much sir!
I see you use the 12 channel Helix for your tutorials. I don’t have that model, but the 8 channel. So my 3 way are all pushed out of the same channel fronts. Can this concept of tuning be applied to my setup or maybe some recommendation on how to best tune my setup.
Any drivers tied together with passive crossovers you have to treat as a single driver.
I noticed when using tune-eq that it boosts quite a lot at some frequencies. Right up to 6db. Should I adjust the settings so it only boosts by 3db max? I’ve always been told you can introduce distortion if you do large boosts instead of cutting?
Or you can lower your target. Or just reduce the individual bands manually.
Im kind of new to this stuff. Is it really bad that I used my regular PC microphone to do my RTA measurements ? It does sound better than without EQ, but maybe it could be even better ?
No, you cannot use a built in microphone for that. You need a calibrated measuring microphone. The measurements will be very very off.
@@RAW-CAt It's not really a built in microphone, It's separate PC microphone, like one of these gaming youtubers use, fairly sensitive, but yeah not calibrated or anything like that.
Do you recommend anything cheap, for someone that is not that good at audio yet ?
@@mggt4684 Dayton iMM-6
@@RAW-CAt Oh that's even cheaper than i expected, however it says it only works for android and ios, so wont work with windows and helix dsp mini RTA ?
I have 100 GBP budget, so if there's anything a bit better you can let me know.
Thanks a lot !
@@mggt4684 umik-1 is around 100 quid. You can use the imm-6 with a laptop as well, just get a usb soundcard to 3.5mm for a tenner.
Nice explanation. Do you offer a full tuning guide?
I am not officially offering anything, but we can discuss the details, just pop an email to rawcaraudiotuning@gmail.com
Thanks that will help out for sure...
Thank you for that good info!Cood you tell me how to make EQ for sound system when 3 way system connected with passive crossover at the front and coxial at the rear and separate subwoofer?Thank you
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Thanks I have helix dsp mini mk2 on board with passive crossovers on speakers Thanks
Yo, hoping you can help me. Not sure if theres a better place to contact you, i dont really use Facebook.
October last year i bought a Helix V Eight DSP MK2 based on you and PS Sound, ive been playing with it ever since in my car. I have two way up front, two full range speakers on the rear deck and a 10 inch Alpine Type R (working great, though i believe it to be 25 years old). Ive had the sub for many years in smaller cars and no issue.
Throughout tuning, yesterday i just got a UMIK-1 because of you, i have the same issue occuring.
The issue is clipping on some tracks on my subwoofer, i can play a really bassy track and it sound amazing and perfect, then i can play some house music and the bass drum is clipping on the subwoofer. At the same volumes.
I have done some tweaking and thinking and have come up with the following ideas:
- gain set incorrectly on subwoofer amp
- signal too hot from DSP
- 10 inch SVC Type R too small, not high enough power for size of vehicle/length/distance from me
- high dynamic range of the signal from the Helix, varying from track to track.
If i turn the gain down on the amp then the subwoofer is too quiet, if i turn it up to clip and back it off a bit then it will still clip in some tracks.
Could you tell me what you think might be the issue please? I can test a 12 inch Infinity sub and perhaps borrow a JL 12W0. I will be upgrading at some point but i would like to work out the issue is as part of the process. Thanks for everything you have done, sharing knowledge for free with the community. You have taught me a lot and ill be forever grateful for that.
Now i have re-tuned my car today with the UMIK-1 and TuneEQ after taking measurements in REW just for the record, i cant believe how clear it sounds compared to TuneEQ with a built (sounds decent) laptop microphone. But that's to be expected 😂
To me it sounds that it can be something else than clipping. Maybe a resonance of some sort. Maybe ripped or unglued spider, tinsel leads or even unwind voice coil..check the subwoofer driver itself for mechanical damage, as for a sub that old, it is a possibility.
@@RAW-CAt hmm okay, I haven’t checked that to be fair. The surround is all fine and it sounds okay playing looking at it apart from some songs. I’ll check it out cheers
@@RAW-CAt thank you sir, I have inspected it and the surround has come unglued in one place
@@itsanarse I'm happy that you found your problem👍
Somewhat similar to the Recoil dsp layout. Interesting
Far from it
Does it matter that there is a different electrical crossover on the left and right midbass?
Not really, as long as both sides are protected from over excursion.
Tack!
Hello! thanks for your video!! The TuneEQ is performed one speaker at a time? or all together? What would you recommend? Thanks!!
I always EQ individual drivers.
I have read another user eq’s each individual driver in outputs. Then does each side in virtual channels. Says it’s a game changer.
Do you set the gains of your amp/amps before or after this process?
I don't set gains. Everything is on minimum all the time.
Graet video man what mic do you prefer to use ?
Umik-1 for simplicity.
That cool, but how does it sound?
Will need to allocate some time and make a full tune.
Hello ,im using a interface ,can i work with this program ? Ow shoud i use a nother program
Yes, you can use an interface as well👍
Great video. Helped me a lot with the Helix software. Can I ask why you have to do the time delay before the tune?
You don't have to. It really depends on your method of tuning. Usually I do TA as a last step as I am using impulse response for that.
@@RAW-CAt Thanks for your reply. I was wondering about doing the time delay when I have a passive 3-way system in the front and co-axial speakers in the rear. I'm not sure where to take my reference from? I have mid bass woofer in lower door, midrange in the middle of the door, and tweeter in the dash. I'm thinking to take the initial measurement from the drivers door midrange? Then let the PC-Tool do it's thing? What do you think? It's not ideal I know, but mine is the Helix DSP mini which doesn't have enough channels. Plus my after market amp is only 4 channels also.
@@Nildefects Time alignment should be done for the midbass driver, as than determines the phase alignment between midbass drivers and sub. Center image can be adjusted by playing with level of the higher frequencies.
@@RAW-CAt Thank you! 👍
Should I physically disconnect the midrange and tweeter drivers when doing auto time alignment on the 3-way passive front stage then? To allow the midbass and sub to be aligned perfectly?
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Great video! Once you have done the Tune-EQ for each channel, do you then play all channels and adjust manually if it's missing the overall target curve when all speakers are played together?
In that case ideally you should go back to individual drivers EQ and adjust there. If the drivers are EQed properly and time aligned, they will sum to your target. You can measure and EQ multiple drivers at a time, but that is not ideal.
I love these videos.
I returned my New Alpine DSP and bought a JL Audio TwK 88
Information reviews on the JL system were so much better. And seemed to be so much more solid. Processing powers incredible.
Many people in the states prefer JL DSP
Did you happen to have the PXE-C60? if so how does it compare to the jl audio twk in a bit more detail? I have an Alpine pxe c60 and not impressed
@@kyron2092 returned the JL and re bought the C60. Took some time to lean it but once I got it I like it.
The funny thing is, the one question I have is what are the physical connections for a Ford Sync system? Is it USB to both the sync input and the DSP? I have a umik I would like to use
I am not familiar with ford sync, sorry.
@@RAW-CAt in ford cars. There is no analog in. Just usb in or Bluetooth in (as audio sources). When using RTA, do I need to pump sound through the car audio system or is it enough to have both the microphone and DSP connected to the PC via USB?
If using a usb mic such as umik, you need to connect it just to the laptop. And play pink noise as you usually play music.
@@RAW-CAtany recommended sources for quality pink noise. Do I just pick from Apple Music?
@@netlawman2001 generate with REW. Use this as a guide:
drive.google.com/file/d/1DMbGKK9qxPEaIyqKOEr2NsiK2QKiLruZ/view?usp=drivesdk