Q: What do you think about CodeAcademy and DataCamp?

1. Just beware
2. Bootcamps suffer from lack of any regulation
3. Showing up universities causing them to step-it-up
4. Colleges cannot provide bootcamps
5. Colleges cannot find the people
6. Bootcamps have morphed and are selling to colleges
7. Can be really great or "tragic"
8. Avoid anything from Trinity (under the hood)
9. Challenge-based / gamified learning has flaws
10. Do something like exercism.io
11. What happens when you don't have their platform?
12. These services don't let you figure it out
13. You have to learn how to learn while getting the skill
14. Always better to work to figure out a given task on your own
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[@ihateit56]

I can confirm. I’m wrapping up a Trilogy Data Analysis Bootcamp right now. It was actually pretty decent for the first half (Python, JavaScript fundamentals, etc.) As soon as we started doing Machine Learning tho it took a nose dive. All the exercises were unexplained fairly useless gamified races to the finish with “read the documentation for further information.” Uh huh. Thanks.

[@peterjansen4826]

Later Rob pretty much says what I said in my comment: coding is a skill and you CAN NOT learn a skill within 5 months by cramming it. Also it is not just about the number of hours. It is about continued practice over a long time. As learning to play the piano, play chess, play football, play StarCraft2 or learning mathematics. Pure skills, not just academic (no matter how smart mathematicians are).

[@selfishfish3246]

And what kind of skills do you need? For coding.

[@peterjansen4826]

I think that Rob his statement that univesities can't find people to teach coding well (I hope that I phrase it correctly) needs to be nuanced a bit. They can, they don't because they select their staff on different criteria and because they have an incridibly rigid course-structure. As I see it the best coders are not necessarily the best acadmics, universities select the best academics. If a university would select the best coders to teach students coding and that program would not be confined within one trimester or semester (it needs to be a red line throughout the curriculum) then universities could most certainly teach great programming skills. Programming is a skill, not just theory and some application of it. You don't learn a skill in 5 months time or less, you learn a skill in years. It is like teaching piano in a one semester course, you can't do that. The same with programming.

[@brendanlentz]

FYI - I think you mean Trilogy Bootcamp - not Trinity.

[@rwxrob]

Yes, yes, yes.

[@nkristianschmidt]

big legislation is a big problem for changing society

[@Kiloksks]

So what best resources to learn python and JavaScript?