More Dumb “Qualifications” For Firearms Instructors (ASP BITs) | ASP Extra
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The first hope of any CCW or 2A supporter is that they never have to fire at anyone or get shot at. Any other frame of mind hurts both safety and the cause.
Jon Stenberg absolutely
To avoid any gun fight is to win the gun fight that is never fought. Sun Tzu
Jon Stenberg amen!
So, if you had the choice of learning from the guy who fought in ever battlefield in world war 2, and the Cook who never fired a bullet all his life.... you'd pick the Cook? This is some really absurd logic being twisted here, to say you want LESS experienced people to teach you.
Van Ivanov What are you even talking about. Are you even reading and understanding the posts before firing off random comments?
Could you please share the stories of the 2 times you had to almost use your defense tools. Would be very interesting for the extra channel if you haven’t already.
John, your right on the money. While in the military, Secirity Police, I've been shot at and have shot at someone. I was also a tactical firearms instructor while in the military with EST. I tried the civilian instructor gig.. and want no part of it. I'm not sure it truly makes any difference except to say it may be a distraction that folks ask questions about things that are way above their individual skill levels.
Nailed it!
AND I have been kind of shot at....by a very stupid friend.
That's a really dumb standard to have but people live in tough guy fantasy land. Same people that think BJJ wont work in the skreets.
Just for accuracy and clarity: the Garland attack didn’t happen like that. Sounds like someone embellished it a bit and made it all “Wild West”-y. The officer-Stevens-was in a car about 15 yards away and engaged, slowly advancing from that point.
For the full story, check the article in the link, below. Not as cool as a 100+ yard shot with one hand while holding the reins of your horse...but still a great save and great lessons here. Thanks, John, for wisdom and sobriety.
www.policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/419451006-Cop-shares-gunfight-lessons-from-ISIS-inspired-Draw-the-Prophet-terrorist-attack/
There is always someone who comes up a stupid argument. I always just tell them to get lost and go play in the traffic. I try not to argue with fools it serves not purpose.
Yep stupid exist in all areas of life.
Hmmm,. To prepare for a gunfight I think I may have to practice by shitting my pants while firing my gun. I am fairly certain both will be happening simultaneously.
lol
My friend had her CCW for a week and was shot at - couldn't have told you how to eject a magazine, hardly worthy of the title "eligible to teach"... considering how absurd the notion is I'm surprised you made a video on this in the first place
I think that the context is important. I too have had individuals claim that a person who's been in a gunfight has unique experience and perspective to share, but that was in the context of the various national firearms instructors from within which to choose. I have NEVER, however, had a person say to me that a typical person who's been in a gunfight is eligible to teach.
I think people who don't know any better see a lot of the tacticool guys online and think that's what a "real " firearms instructor is.
"Tacticool" guys typically ARE the instructors with little to no experience. They brag about fighting in the Iraq war, and it turns out they never fired a shot in anger. Many of the leading experts are very practical, down to Earth people who don't glorify the subject, because to them it is work. Tacticool is a sign of inexperience, not a sign you should fear learning from experienced people.
There are quite a few prominent and well know "instructors" who are of the mindset that if you haven't been in an actual "event" you are not qualified to teach/instruct! Completely erroneous! Having shot and having been shot at does not "qualify" anyone.... can we learn from those events.... absolutely.... but such experiences do not necessarily qualify or validate anyone as an instructor.
Yep!
6:30 But maybe he can teach marksmanship?
Not necessarily! But perhaps.
Can somebody post a video or a narrative about the Texas Mounted Police Officer at the Concert. I need the details.
www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/06/austin-cop-sure-shot-stopped-crazed-gunman.html
I've had a few students ask me those questions. Have I ever shot anyone or been shot at. They always looked disappointed when I said "no."
Well if that’s the case I should be a defensive knife instructor since I’ve been stabbed 8 times in one incident before!!
You should. Because many of the guys teaching knife defence _will get you killed._ People who have actually been stabbed, they'll tell you how it was... that if they tried every ninja-kung-fu move in the book they would've been stabbed 16 times instead. With all the total BS out there about self-defence, I'm surprised at John to talk down on experience.
I know this has nothing to do with the video, but lookin good man. Looks like you've lost a bunch of weight recently.
Sean Maunz I noticed that as well. Mostly because I'm a little envious. Lol
"They" say that the camera adds 10 pounds. Maybe he's using fewer cameras these days.
Thanks Sean! I am down about 22 pounds and working hard at it. :)
This points out the reason your other channel is so popular and good at teaching. I think people can get a lot of good from watching those who are in self defense situations without personally going through them. There are many things it is better to learn about without experiencing them first hand.
Very good vid John, have a great day!
Yeah, that's like a High School Quarterback dismissing his Coach because his Coach was never a Quarterback in the NFL.
I look at what they are teaching, what their qualifications are, and what their experience is. It all goes into the evaluation. Plenty to learn, so being in a shootout isn't a mandatory qualification for a shooting instructor. What I dislike is when an instructor that doesn't have "been there, done that" experience liberally uses the terms "We" and "Us" to imply they're conveying first hand experience, when in fact they don't have it. Who you are is who you are. I don't like it when instructors (or anyone else) try to portray themselves as something they aren't.
I want my cardiologist to have had a massive myocardial infarct or heart attack before I feel like he or she is qualified to
evaluate my kid's murmur or my chest pain.
Great rant. I hope the klutz you were talking to on the blog tuned in to listen to your rant. Probably another keyboard commando who knows absolutely nothing of which he speaks.
I want to learn from someone who can teach me to be in places where I am least likely to be shot at. i.e. Brazil.
You look like your losing weigh, John!
as always, great video, John.
& your comments make total & complete sense to me!
I've been shot at but I guarantee you that I am not fit to teach anyone about firearms because of it. I believe a trained person who trains with firearms and practices those skills and knows how to speak and teach others is what's necessary to train others.
I've done both and by no means am I an instructor
Great video, but you left out an 'again.'
You are correct my friend in Christ. Not only have I defended my ex wife and I with 2 hand guns; had to shoot at a vehicle that was going to run my down after chasing me for about 20 miles in the Atlanta GA area. I thought the guy stopped chasing me so I got out of the car to check on my wife who was asleep on the back of the car when I saw the chaser come around the corner and then gunned his engine as if to run me down. Used both my ex wife's gun and mine because they were close - to shoot at the car that was headed toward me. It was self defense in the end and ended up costing me over $15.000 in attorney's fees ( wish I would have had USCCA) .
Fast forward about 7 years, I moved back to Indianapolis and was shot twice, in the chest and across my love handle at point blank range only 100 yards from my house in a good neighborhood. Thanque the Lord above it was only a .22 caliber. I still have the chest wound shrapnel in my chest and upper right arm which caused damage in my right forearm's nerves.
I was a unit armorer in the Army for about 3 years in an armor unit, and after my last shooting I worked for a gun retailer for a couple of years with RSO training as well as all my experiences on the range watching good and bad shooters and learning from others good and seeing the bad.
Would I be a better instructor? No, not really. In both of those incidents I didn't react like I could of. ASP is helping me and I do seek to find more CCW training. From someone who knows how to train and not someone who had been shot at.
Thanque you
Well... to be honest, it sounds like you handled that pretty well, about as well as anyone can do without much experience or training in self defence. Better than most instructors would--and I say that having seen them go through such scenarios.
I feel there is a gross overestimation of the typical CCW instructor. Have you watched a series called First Person Defender? They have instructors on there, sometimes, and their shot placement tends to be mediocre. Being an instructor doesn't mean you'll be a perfect combatant in self defence. The best performers were military, hunters, and law enforcement, people with experience.
And I'm not against what John said... but a lot of people seem to have taken his advice backwards, and think that combat experience makes you worse at dealing with self defence scenarios. Many have said outright, "I wouldn't want to learn form someone who got in a gunfight," which is completely ludicrous.
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Gun drama-aaaaa.... Ooh, dish dish dish!
*lays chin on hand*
I got all my training from the mom and daughter in the Tulsa liquor store because after all, they had shot someone. They're definitely qualified yeah?
Perfect example!!
+Active Self Protection Extra No... that's a really disingenuous example. But OK, let's go with that:
You can pick the instructor, qualified, who teaches you not to chamber a rounds until you're in the fight (because he's worried it will go off), a cool ninja knife defence technique he saw online, and to aim for the gut because the police used to do that in the 70s. I've known plenty of instructors who give advice like that... many who also give questionable legal advice on when to go to deadly force.
Or, you can speak with the mother and daughter who had to go through that reality, and have thought about it a lot. They know the sorts of things that can go wrong, because it went wrong for them. They know you should shoot him more than once, because he took many shots to bring down, and they've probably worked out how staging firearms is an unreliable practice. Just by talking to them about their story, and how they changed their set up, you might learn ten times as much as you would from a lousy instructor (especially if the mother and daughter remember their firearms courses from their instructors).
Now, does this mean anyone who has been shot at is better than the very best instructor? No, that's _ALSO_ a disingenuous argument. But is the idiot who has failed to learn from experience really worse than the idiot who has NO experience to work from? Those instructors who are good, they have learned from experienced instructors who in turn learned from more experienced combatants. That is how the process of teaching works in practical skills.
Another great video as always!
Thanks!
Get them John!!!!
Excellent John. Qualified instructors teach principles, processes, safety and mechanics. These are pretty much universal. Those principles remain pretty much constant whether you have had to shoot someone or you have been shot at. So, what difference does it make?
A few of the fundamentals are questionable. Some ranges don't let you mag-dump. Some still teach outdated theory like aiming for the gut. You could easily be behind on any number of subjects, due to the "basics principles" your instructor teaches you. Those who have experienced combat, thus, are more reliable at selecting for combat-effective principles.
The principles, processes and mechanics I was referring to were general firearm safety, operation, care and maintenance; proper weapon draw, target acquisition, sight picture and trigger squeeze etc. These principles are pretty universal to all shooting situations. The approved target areas and range rules are a different matter. In 33 years of LE, our state sanctioned course of fire designated approved targets to be pump level center mass and head shots. I have never heard of gut shots being taught. Those target decisions are an individual agency or government sanctioning body function. Every range can set their own safety rules. A lot of the rules are going to be set according to what the range operators determine is safe for the elementary level shooter. You and I may be completely safe with practicing mag dump, but Joe Blow on his second or third time with a gun would likely be a safety risk. Some ranges in my area allow shooting from the draw and some don't.
Agree 100%.
I think this is a very important video to watch. A lot of good lessons here.
Made David Hogg be a firearms expert....🤣