I feel like the music is really loud. Sorry about that, I would re-make this but I'm kinda swamped at the moment so I'll leave it be for now. Next ones will be more balanced. But hey - at least the music is good!
Yeah but... I WANT GUILD WARS 3. But while we're at it, bring back Guild vs. Guild for fucks sake. >_> And no, WvW is not a suitable replacement for it.
Cantha was my absolute favorite part of GW1, nearly guild wars entirely, and is so far one of the most unique experiences I've had. I hope this comes to fruition and is successful.
Im actually glad they have done this in regards to woodenp. A big part of his income came from gw2 hype and releases, especially from expansions. Im sure it was worrying that we all thought there would be no more, and now here we are. Hopefully it can restock his savings some more while he builds on other content away from gw2.
A small wish I have for Cantha and the Revenant's in Cantha. Is when you're Channeling Shiro he starts YAPPING. Talking about everything and maybe sharing his regrets over what he did. Maybe a small Revenant only questline where you help fulfill Shiro's wishes to ease his regret. A small touch I'd really enjoy.
God I hope so. That would be so cool. Interesting and fun sidequests about stuff like the classes in the game is what I really miss in Gw2. While I do like the event systems they have in the game, I would be nice to have something more quest like too, to tell more side stories you can't just tell in a single map or area of one. Because personally I really liked those introductory quest lines in Gw1 you had for each class that got you some nice background lore for them before you got into the main story.
I really liked in season 4 of the living world how the puzzle differed for escaping the jail in Istan. Threw me for a loop when my elementalist had a completely different method of escaping from the cell than my mesmer. I wish we would do more stuff like this!
man i missed this expansion hype I'm feeling. It's so great to know there is a big expansion on the horizon. i didn't get to experience guild wars 1 so im excited to see cantha in guild wars 2 for the first time
I've thought about this and I really want my thief to becaome an assassin for the coolness and nostalgia but at the same time, doesn't thief already have pretty much everything you'd want from an assassin? Thief skills and traits are filled with references to assassins from Factions so I'm not sure what they would add. And what would the new weapon be. Assassins only used daggers. I'm thinking they'll have to come up with something more new. Like perhaps some assassins in Cantha have learned new ways to fight and use a new weapon. That would have potential for an elite spec.
@@labdG Yeah, it would be cool to get a new weapon with it. Maybe a thrown weapon like a Glavie/ throwing star or a Tanto type short sword giving the Asian setting. The Claw or the Katar from the Diablo 2 Assassins would be cool as well.
@@Earendilgrey Those are some cool ideas. I prefer to keep my expectaions in check though so I'm not expecting a completely new weapon. Elite specs have only reused weapons used by other classes as far as I know. But who knows what will happen. Like I said, I just prefer to keep my own expectations in check. x)
@@junebuggy240 no shit. Hence why he will be a rev legend. I should have specified that clearer in my original post but still you should have caught on brah
@@stanleyc2978 seriously xD i have not plaied for over a year or so and still know that revenants gain their might by calling upon THE HEROES OF OLD... so dead guys that did great things...
Living world is worth playing as well, though. Well, at least if you are into casual PvE content and exploration. If you only wait for new elite specs, yeah... not so much.
@@lordmawkish1286 the thing with this is that it was getting stale. I already made other classes and maxed them and played the shit out of them. So I was getting bored and living world never I never really liked
Yeah I went to wow classic for a good 6 months with brief living story periods, I am so happy to care about Gw2 again fully with the expack confirmation. It’s really promising
Ah yes, the story of Cantha! Which involved a deadly plague ravaging an asia-based country....... Oh........uh.......maybe you should put the story recap off for a couple months...
While I'm really excited about returning to Cantha, I think somewhere completely new on the other side of Tyria would be really cool. Maybe an Asura gate malfunction blasts us there & we have to fight our way back home which then leads us through Cantha along the return journey. Hey ho Exp3 is a thing so happy days.
Something about paying money for an expansion is more exciting than receiving content for free. Not sure why. But it got me to log back into GW2 after a long hiatus
Just hearing you have joy in your voice and saying they are working on a proper expansion just made the wife and I smile :). Love the hope this gives us whom love Gw2. I hope truly for YOUR sake @Wooden Potatoes it is indeed Cantha and Tengu as a playable race for all you have done as an Ambassador of both GW1 and GW2.
@@marshal8358 I would like to see maps as large as those in WoW. We have mounts so ANET in theory can focus more on exploration in the upcoming expac. Sadly i'm aware this won't be possible due to engine limitations.
I just want to know if we would finally get the Tengu as a playable race, or if any. I mean they were once considered to be a playable race, if they are bringing them in then it should be official by the time Cantha gets here.
Please! This would make the game complete for me! I got everything else I wanted already. Cantha and Playable Race Tengu would be the cherry on the icing!
Tengu already exist in the world, so they have the model for it. I am actually pretty sure they will add them during thr next expac. I mean, Tengu were present in Cantha and they are allowed to use Cantha and its content now
Josh is so good with worldbuilding. I'm really curious what he's going to do with this new world he's building now. Thank you for not forgetting about him and his contributions.
For anyone that is trying to find that section of the podcast that he referenced and don't want to listen to the whole thing, They talk about that at 1:42:00 ish.
This is the WP I subbed for :P A few seconds of GIF into a 20 minute vid! Not that you went anywyere; I did. I just missed caring about GW2. I hope you also give ESO a shot before the new xpac pulls you into it.
@@raymacz1922 Yea its a shame. It has probably richest lore out there with WoW yet it's combat, animations and character models are so fucking badly done
@@Jinny-Wa I encourage everybody to try out a trial version of ESO. The lore is awesome and they have some really cool system but damn that combat system turned me off so very quickly. But some people like it so yeah check it out. But spend no money on it until you tried it.
I always thought that the Deep Sea Dragon might have some connection to Cantha. Wonder if this will be the end of the dragon storyline. Would love to see a new threat, or connection with the Quetzal/other Tengu in the new expansion.
Before they *really* announce the expansion with details, etc. you should hold a contest for guessing what the expansion is going to be called. Would be really fun in my opinion
it's also possible that well see a cantha with architecture from a singular real country, china or Korea, justified lorewise as the Minister of Purity trying to create a singular unified architectural and cultural appearance
I could also see them just dividing up the different areas based on architecture. Maybe there's Chinese buildings in one map and Korean buildings in another. This wouldn't impact the experience for westerners very much, but would be a noticable improvement for the Asian audience.
I seriously am considering playing the factions campaign again. I bet there was an influx of players on factions since the announcement yesterday. I also now have a really goo reason to watch your LP of factions now.
I'll be honest, it's your videos WP which bring me back to GW2 after I've left it for a while. Really looking forward to all your videos during the development of the expansion
No way in hell samurai armor is medium armor by rpg standards. O-yoroi was made to literally withstand arrows/gunshots and weighs over 30 kgs (65 mcdonald units).
I'm in the same boat as you - I don't need a carbon copy of Cantha from GW1. All the other regions have changed, from Ascalon to Kryta to the Maguuma Jungle to the Crystal Desert to Elona. While all those regions maintain their particular "flavor" from the original game, it's apparent all of those regions have advanced and changed over 250 game years. Why wouldn't that also be the case for Cantha? I loved Cantha from GW1. It's some of my favorite maps from the original game because I love the architecture and culture. But that's not why I want a GW2 Cantha expansion - I want that expansion because Winds of Change left us on a gigantic cliffhanger, followed by Cantha going isolationist, followed by Zhaitan raising Orr and cutting off all contact. What I'm saying is the reason why I want to go there is I want to know what happened there.
Same I’m looking forward to seeing how the areas changed since Gw1, but I’ve always been so curious about the story with how winds of change/movement of the world left off
I was literally doing vanquishing title on Shing Jea in GW1 when I saw your video about the expack announcement come up in my youtube feed on my second monitor. I'm beyond excited
I just want to say I totally called this back in LWS4 when they kept making us pick up books about Cantha for collection achievements in a couple of chapters. I had hoped it would be after season 4 ended but hell, I can wait another year or so.
Something that really stood out to me was the M.O.X mission to deactivate another golem that threaten to kill the emperor of Cantha. It was so surreal to see basicallly a piece of sci-fi in a eastern environment. It'd be hilarious if Hero-Tron somehow makes his way to Cantha and gets in trouble with the authorities just like in LW S1 with the Seraph XD
Don't forget that the seas are nearly 20 metres higher than before… so if Keineng city still stand, the emperor's palace will probably be on the beach and the whole city rebuilt in the mountains behind the old sunken city. It'll be a very different urban new map... and most likely having a uniform architectural style since mostly everything rebuilt under the minister of Purity.
I imagine that Kaineng City will be fully changed given that the Walled City is a bit of a sore spot in China. I could definitely see it having something to do with the DSD. I can see the current Saga ending with us either joining with Jormag against the DSD or us defeating Jormag leading to the rise of the DSD. Will be interesting since I know Jory is at least part Cathan, so will be cool to see if she got any storyline about it.
They haven't made a city of any noteworthy scope since the original release (not counting the different Lion's Arch stages), so I'm really hopeing we get to see a new one. I imagine Kaineng is pretty high tech tech by now. I seem to remember concept art of a high-tech asian-looking city, but I can't for the life of me find it now.
I just arrived in Japan a few days ago for a family visit, and even though I'm stressed about catching covid19 this announcement completely changed my mood and I'm so filled with joy.
Factions was my favorite of the expack and the one I spent the most time in. Been dreaming of seeing the Gw2 version of it for years now. So excited to see what they do with the lore and maps there
Ever since the latest Saga release I have been getting more excited about coming back to this game! I can tell they've really changed their content teams, especially in the Story department, because the new story has been giving me the chills! GW2 has always felt cheesy af, but now the characters are finally starting to mature... so we'll see... I don't expect we'll see Cantha till next year
i had binged watch all the wp's gw1 series and finally finished your bonus episodes too and i cant believe they announce 3rd expac right when im doing the winds of change quest line :D and i wonder if new elite specs are a thing, if so i wonder what theme we can hit with 9 classes
The nostalgia for Fort Aspenwood and Jade Quarry is heavy!!!! I have been trying to play those pvp modes on GW1 for weeks and still zip! I just wanna play ONE LAST TIME!!!!! If GW2 brings these back, I think I will cry with excitement!
Cantha was my favourite expansion and my introduction to Guild Wars. I'm very excited to return, this time with my GW2 character. I wonder if they will split the architectures. Something like the Kurzicks having Chinese architecture and the Luxons having Korean architecture. That would solve the mixing problem and preserve the general look of Cantha.
I haven't played GW2 in over 5 years but I still periodically follow what's going on through this channel. If it's true Cantha is coming back then I will be back in GW2 for the first time in years. Yes it might seem like a superficial reason to come back but I've felt there was never really much of a reason for ME to return to the game except for Cantha since I loved it that much in GW1.
I remember the backlash coming from Asia was so bad because of the Cantha expansion. That's why they were so adamant about not having Cantha in GW2 for the longest time. I hope they can avoid that mess this time.
So the image is called Home carousel Shing Jea... Could they be hinting at personal housing ? What if the entire island of shing Jea would actually become the property of the player character and so we would be able to "upgrade" it through the entire legnth of the expansion ?
I just finished my first playthrough of Factions a couple months ago, and the entire time I was in the echovald forest or the jade sea, all I could think about was how cool it would be to see what the devs could make in gw2, how epic the locations would look, but i kept telling myself that would probably never happen and to not get my hopes up, but fast forward two months and that dream is alive and real! I cant wait to see how they revisit cantha, and I am also excited to see all your videos concerning cantha to properly get the hype train rolling :D
Never expected to see Cantha. They clearly said it would never happen. Well, this is a nice surprise ! So excited to see these gw1 places in gw2, the music, the culture, luxons and kurzicks, maybe more things for the revenant,...
I hope there will be more lines for Shiro 'Legendary Assassin' for rev as soon as we reach Cantha. Like, showing how he feels like coming back home, or perhaps sharing his regret for the past misdeeds he had done, as well as prayers for Cantha to be better in the future and stuffs. And please... samurai armor and katana. It'll suit my Canthan rev better lol--
Slight alternative interpretation of the nuking of the district: it wasn't NCSoft pulling a power move, but it was anet cutting it out of an abundance of caution about the upcoming expansion to the chinese market. The devs might have just been freaked because they knew they didn't want to rebuild the place later when they launched in China.
If nothing else, it's been 250 years. Cantha might've changed how they build stuff since so, I guess there's a fair handwave for why the looks could be different.
Yeah. Just look at how stuff in our world have evolved in that same amount of time. People expecting it to be a cookie cutter version of the GW1 Cantha are too hung up on nostalgia.
My friends and I are really excited about it. Those releases and news this year are all great. We had a break in gaming due to busy times but now it's really worth to ho back into guild action I suppose.
i can definitely see the culture bind their original setup might've brought to the table, but I think the delay in actually getting to Cantha was to do with the plot and progression of the story. Glint wanted to tackle Kralkatorrik first because she was best-suited for taking on his mantle and could better help everyone from there. It would help free up Elona some, I'm sure, but the charr and humans would be greatly relieved. What she planned next I can only guess, but I think it would have been Zhaitan, establishing Vlast as the scion there. Without Glint, Zhaitan was the logical choice anyway, regardless of what the segregated cultures thought. Zhaitan knew it, too, which is why he kept so much focus on Tyria's greatest trade system, spearheaded by its only true "free city". Although all the dragons sans Mordremoth and DSD had some overlap, the biggest pain for the Lionsguard trade routes was Zhaitan. Defeating him brought trade stability. after that Kralky would've been logical, but Mordy tossed a spanner in the works. Then Balth Salts made it worse, but we dropped Kralks and freed up a lot of the dragon heat everyone was feeling. Primordus took a nap, and Jormag retreated for a time. By ridding the world of Jormag, or changing its mind on malicious intent, we would effectively free Tyria's mainland from the worst of its pressing problems. Primo still needs dealt with, of course, but we need allies to fill the void of many casualties in the dragon wars. Cantha is the next logical place for that, now that people know they can not only work together, but finance the operation and provide several routes to do so without so much constriction. By this point in the lore, the biggest hang-up for us is the still-existing Inquest. This saga should wrap-up issues with Flame Legion and Sons of Svanir--and bandits are already dealt with. When you think about all that has been plaguing these people, this is a great reduction in stress. I jsut hope that at the end of it all the great destroyer Primordus rises from slumber and inundates the world in fire. a sort of Tyrian take on Surtr rising--and maybe now he has no opposite to contend with, either in the form of Jormag or DSD. LET CHAOS REIGN!
Running around DR, for the last maybe year or less, there are NPCs talking about Cantha. Two women in particular are discussing how difficult it is to find decent Canthan food, and go on to say there has been no contact for over 100 years. It takes a huge amount of time to develop an expansion, so of course this has been in the works for a while, and ANet is really decent about having NPC chatter drop vague, very miss-able hints. I'm glad their bring Cantha back.
This is great news, I'm looking forward to it and I've play both GW1 & GW2 from start. There will be a small vocal minority that will complain about how they finished the 3rd expansion in 20 mins and there is nothing else to do.
I was doubting that the xpac would be Cantha, until I watched the Cellofrag video where he showed that title on the video. I was thinking that the original picture was a hint to the Temple of the Winds, the Tengu region accessible from Lion's Arch. Now, after having listened to you, I'm thinking that, maybe, the Temple of the Winds will lead into Shing Jea, and perhaps a battle against the underwater dragon that had cut Tyria off from Cantha.
Factions was always my favorite GW1 expansion so I'm excited to go back. I'm looking forward to how different it will be and what exactly happened there other than the bit that's know (you know, xenophobic emperor thing and the fate of the Kurzic and Luxon factions)
This news brought me butterflies, finally something to really look forward to. I loved the hype train for HoT and I hope they actually market and hype this one up unlike PoF.
Haven't even been playing for a year, so of course it will all be new to me. But that said, I just hope for its success; Tyria is a big world and there are so many places unexp[ored. They just need the time - and success - to take us to those places.
I think that the recent reorganisation of the studio resurfaced some old, veeeeery old ideas that had to be nuked together with Canthan district and then a simple call to the Marketing team revealed that Chinese client is no more a thing. What I'm afraid of is that they may be throwing us a S3 ball again, with all the Jormag story fading behind the new enemy that will lead us to Cantha.
Oh man what is this feeling? The balance patch got me logging on again, The 2v2 has me queing again My wvw guild is slowly starting to come together again Then this cantha track woaooaoa Am i gunna feel hype?
I think the Canthan District as a mist location would be cool. Just a way to have players see it without reintroducing it. Also disappointed the next xpac isn't charr focused taking place in the Blood Legion and Ash Legion Homeland. I say this as someone who never plays Charr. They deserve some love.
That's cool with the podcast, I didn't know about that. But I feel like I'm the only one who remembers that old post on the official forums. Some dev said that the district was removed because of that Asian culture thing, but also that the specific manager who didn't like it wasn't involved in the process anymore and that this dev perseonally thought it might not be a problem the next time it got brought up. Unfortunately those old forums are lost to time, and last time I tried I haven't been able to find an archived copy of that reply. So the only thing that remains is a memory that changes slightly each time you recall it. According to that, it was just two comment replies in some thread, the first about the district, the second about the manager. I don't even remember from which dev they were but it could have been Josh.
Well when you beat Zhaitan (whose undead hordes were elsewhere described as the reason Cantha couldn't contact the rest of Tyria) it did sort of seem like there would at least be a possibility of a Cantha expansion next. It was kind of disappointing that the only references to Cantha in GW2 were pulled from DR except a couple NPC's that gave literal snippets of lore about it. The elite specs for this one should be pretty good.
As an admirer of Asian culture in general I was yearning to go to Cantha ever since I heard about it. I'm so glad it's finally going to happen (it seems) :D
I'm glad I saved 4k gold and bought perm bank access. Now I can explore Cantha without having to take a break by teleporting away for storage and merch. Ultimate convenience.
If they have to navigate a sensitive market when it comes to assets like that, could be in part what took so long. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd played with the idea earlier too and decided that the flow of the story didn't drive us there yet, especially if it's truly far away. We've sort of circled that ocean now between Orr (Zhaitan), the Jungle (Mordremoth), and then Elona (Kralkatorik). Even had that brief stop in the Fire Aisles due to Primordus so I could see some speculation that since he went from the north towards more southern regions...maybe he kept moving south when he woke up again? But I'm really hoping there's some Deep Sea Dragon lore coming with that more than Primordus issues (I kind of also hope we don't resolve Jormag in whatever way we do too soon because they're really neat). I'd also be curious if we ever get to go inside the Dominion of the Four Winds with a Canthan expansion. I've honestly just wanted to go inside since probably the launch though so that's more personal wish and whims right there.
It would be cool if thief had the Lead/Off-hand/Dual attack skill combos that Assassin had. Reward players for chaining skills together with some strong finishers instead of just spamming pistol 3 like i do 😈
going to have to say cantha is looking a lot better than it was in factions ... though its been ages since I have played gw1 all I can remember is the jade sea and a place that's all rickety (though I think that's because I had a necro main and I think flesh golem was a factions elite skill in a rickety place)
Cantha and factions in gw1 also did a lot for guilds maybe in gw2 they will expand guilds with guild halls from gw2 and do guild hall attack and defence
My theory is Cantha needs our help. We've ignored the Sea Dragon all this time, let it destroy the Lagos, Krait, etc societies, and done nothing. Now it is moving its minions ashore and Cantha knows we beat the other Elder Dragons and asks for our help.
the problem I see is that there will be a lot of people that will think, "oh cool we get to go back to the jade sea, and the echovald forest and kaineng city but when we get there in gw2 the jade sea is just another body of water, the echovald forest is just another lush green forest, kaineng city is just another city then then rage, and cry, and complain bashing the studio for "ruining" the game, not knowing the lore.
I'm expecting a middle ground. Underwater combat opens a lot of room to turn those.mined Jade cities into underwater cities. I wouldn't expect them to remove such iconic aspects of cantha completely (I don't think the movement of the world article is that convincing anymore)
We talked about the tengu might lead us there, and they would maybe, just maybe be a new race. I think Anet did a lot of right, but at least as much wrong. Loved Elona though. But though I am mostly a PvE player, the lack of attention to PvP actually killed GW2 for me.. GW 1 and 2 was still a great experience, I just think the vision of GW2 strangled it in practise.
I just want to join the tengu VIP club and finally see the Dominion of Winds. Sadly most places in GW2 feels much less grandiose to me than in GW1 so I'm scared a half-melted Jade sea will be a bit meh, but still exctiting to see where they go with this! (Also hoping for a pause in the dragon-slaying business, I like my Kuunavang as she is.)
While it's true there was no obligation for ANet to take us back to Cantha, not doing so would involve ignoring a significant and consistent call from the player base since the game launched BEGGING to have Cantha included and to possibly get Tengu as a playable race. ANet doesn't HAVE to do anything, but I guarantee the response to this development, in terms of vocal response and the number of players who will return to the game SOLELY because of this expansion, will show that this was long overdue and was absolutely the right call for ANet and for GW2.
I wonder if the storyline will touch upon saltspray dragons or potentially link to the Celestials (Closer to the stars), especially since the last seasons ending where aurene shoots accross the sky
I feel like the music is really loud. Sorry about that, I would re-make this but I'm kinda swamped at the moment so I'll leave it be for now. Next ones will be more balanced. But hey - at least the music is good!
I liked it!
its really soothing, love it
I love the Factions music. So nostalgic and comforting....
Music is cool but the podcast voices were just a bit too low.
Looking forward to your Guild War Cantha speculation play through
This feels so surreal, the devs are actually working on Guild Wars 2 Cantha as we speak.. It’s crazy.
I miss the old emojis so much
Yeah but... I WANT GUILD WARS 3. But while we're at it, bring back Guild vs. Guild for fucks sake. >_> And no, WvW is not a suitable replacement for it.
@@arnox4554 GW3 isn't happening anytime soon
@@caseynivans7885 Of course, but they still need to work on it.
@@arnox4554 instead of gw3, imo they should unite all GWs and expansions like WoW and keep the updates coming
Cantha was my absolute favorite part of GW1, nearly guild wars entirely, and is so far one of the most unique experiences I've had. I hope this comes to fruition and is successful.
It was the absolute best content they ever produced.
even though Ascalon was my nostalgia trip, Cantha was very cool, this might get me back in on a regular basis :)
WP: "I'm gonna do other stuff on other games"
ArenaNet: "Hold my beer"
LMFAO
Im actually glad they have done this in regards to woodenp. A big part of his income came from gw2 hype and releases, especially from expansions. Im sure it was worrying that we all thought there would be no more, and now here we are. Hopefully it can restock his savings some more while he builds on other content away from gw2.
Lmfao
A small wish I have for Cantha and the Revenant's in Cantha. Is when you're Channeling Shiro he starts YAPPING. Talking about everything and maybe sharing his regrets over what he did. Maybe a small Revenant only questline where you help fulfill Shiro's wishes to ease his regret. A small touch I'd really enjoy.
God I hope so. That would be so cool.
Interesting and fun sidequests about stuff like the classes in the game is what I really miss in Gw2.
While I do like the event systems they have in the game, I would be nice to have something more quest like too, to tell more side stories you can't just tell in a single map or area of one.
Because personally I really liked those introductory quest lines in Gw1 you had for each class that got you some nice background lore for them before you got into the main story.
@@Icewolfnector We have THE Shiro Tagachi IN OUR HEAD in Cantha! If we don't get anything new with him as a Revenant I will be disappointed.
I want a playable tengu character
I want a pecan pie.
I really liked in season 4 of the living world how the puzzle differed for escaping the jail in Istan. Threw me for a loop when my elementalist had a completely different method of escaping from the cell than my mesmer. I wish we would do more stuff like this!
man i missed this expansion hype I'm feeling. It's so great to know there is a big expansion on the horizon. i didn't get to experience guild wars 1 so im excited to see cantha in guild wars 2 for the first time
Time for elite speculation
ranger with hammer, i want to believe
Rifle Necro lol
@@alexblack4048 or hammer necro. but its true that necro doesnt really have any long range power weaponry.
@@legafredo true true, but what if the new specs become more underwater focused if we really do get to see Bubbles finally 🤔
Mesmer with dagger. Monk specialization.
Here's also hoping we get the Assassin and Ritualist as elite specs for the Thief and Rev
I've thought about this and I really want my thief to becaome an assassin for the coolness and nostalgia but at the same time, doesn't thief already have pretty much everything you'd want from an assassin? Thief skills and traits are filled with references to assassins from Factions so I'm not sure what they would add. And what would the new weapon be. Assassins only used daggers. I'm thinking they'll have to come up with something more new. Like perhaps some assassins in Cantha have learned new ways to fight and use a new weapon. That would have potential for an elite spec.
@@labdG Yeah, it would be cool to get a new weapon with it. Maybe a thrown weapon like a Glavie/ throwing star or a Tanto type short sword giving the Asian setting. The Claw or the Katar from the Diablo 2 Assassins would be cool as well.
@@Earendilgrey Those are some cool ideas. I prefer to keep my expectaions in check though so I'm not expecting a completely new weapon. Elite specs have only reused weapons used by other classes as far as I know. But who knows what will happen. Like I said, I just prefer to keep my own expectations in check. x)
Shiro used two swords. Thief offhand sword -> Assassin. If ArenaNet stops being pretentious anyway.
@@Ashi8No8Yubi Yeah, offhand sword is a good idea.
What do you mean Arenanet being pretentious?
Calling it now, Revenant specialisation will be Master Togo
This. Please Anet. Call it ritualist and give us Togo!
Togo's dead brah
@@junebuggy240 no shit. Hence why he will be a rev legend. I should have specified that clearer in my original post but still you should have caught on brah
@@junebuggy240 lol... Do you even play this game?
@@stanleyc2978 seriously xD i have not plaied for over a year or so and still know that revenants gain their might by calling upon THE HEROES OF OLD... so dead guys that did great things...
I was really starting to lose hope. I was worried all we'd be getting was living world so I stopped playing many months ago.
I was pretty worried too.. But there's yet hope for this game i guess.
@@alexblack4048 same
Living world is worth playing as well, though. Well, at least if you are into casual PvE content and exploration. If you only wait for new elite specs, yeah... not so much.
@@lordmawkish1286 the thing with this is that it was getting stale. I already made other classes and maxed them and played the shit out of them. So I was getting bored and living world never I never really liked
Yeah I went to wow classic for a good 6 months with brief living story periods, I am so happy to care about Gw2 again fully with the expack confirmation. It’s really promising
Ah yes, the story of Cantha! Which involved a deadly plague ravaging an asia-based country.......
Oh........uh.......maybe you should put the story recap off for a couple months...
Simpsons got nothing on Guild Wars predicting real life events.
@@ninetiesrelic2975 al da wc papier :(,
Caronavirus?
Finally, Cantha. This actually will bring me back to the game. Cantha was always my favorite GW1 xpac.
While I'm really excited about returning to Cantha, I think somewhere completely new on the other side of Tyria would be really cool. Maybe an Asura gate malfunction blasts us there & we have to fight our way back home which then leads us through Cantha along the return journey. Hey ho Exp3 is a thing so happy days.
I am still hoping for an expansion set in the depths. a whole "underdark" campaign would be awesome
That would be nice for an expac 4 imo.
I just want to see House Zu Heltzer! Can you imagine!? THE JADE SEA! Just everything, I want to see everything!
well, the emperor reined them all in. Both the Luxons and the Kurzicks aren't as independent as they were in GW1.
@@granville7 I know! I want to see what is going on over there in their little Xenophobic world!
Jade Quarry and Fort Aspenwood pvp arenas!! :D
There was dialogue in Winds of Change that said the Jade Sea might have been melting.
@@La.máquina.de.los.sueños Imagine, with 12 v 12!!!
Something about paying money for an expansion is more exciting than receiving content for free. Not sure why. But it got me to log back into GW2 after a long hiatus
Because you feel like you are supporting the game directly and are gaining a lot of content.
I would rather pay 60 dollars for a fantastic cantha expansion than free and receive what free gives you: small episodes that last a fee days
Just hearing you have joy in your voice and saying they are working on a proper expansion just made the wife and I smile :). Love the hope this gives us whom love Gw2. I hope truly for YOUR sake @Wooden Potatoes it is indeed Cantha and Tengu as a playable race for all you have done as an Ambassador of both GW1 and GW2.
I kinda want the Canthan Map to be in the same World Map.
Also, I need some Japanese Shrines!!!
Imagine the waypoint costs.
O.o
@@valgrian bruh, we got the coin for that
Asura's Gates can be relevant for once XD
@@Rhatrox meh, the idea already exists for the mists. Ofc we would have the Gates, but the grander the map and the locations the better imo.
@@marshal8358 I would like to see maps as large as those in WoW. We have mounts so ANET in theory can focus more on exploration in the upcoming expac. Sadly i'm aware this won't be possible due to engine limitations.
I just want to know if we would finally get the Tengu as a playable race, or if any. I mean they were once considered to be a playable race, if they are bringing them in then it should be official by the time Cantha gets here.
Please! This would make the game complete for me! I got everything else I wanted already. Cantha and Playable Race Tengu would be the cherry on the icing!
This was my first thought when Cantha was announced haha.
Tengu already exist in the world, so they have the model for it. I am actually pretty sure they will add them during thr next expac. I mean, Tengu were present in Cantha and they are allowed to use Cantha and its content now
Tengu would be pretty cool to play as. Good idea I hope they implement that.
Josh is so good with worldbuilding. I'm really curious what he's going to do with this new world he's building now. Thank you for not forgetting about him and his contributions.
For anyone that is trying to find that section of the podcast that he referenced and don't want to listen to the whole thing, They talk about that at 1:42:00 ish.
I'm honestly in shock.
Didn't expect that!
This is the WP I subbed for :P
A few seconds of GIF into a 20 minute vid!
Not that you went anywyere; I did. I just missed caring about GW2. I hope you also give ESO a shot before the new xpac pulls you into it.
eso... gross
@@poedoepilgrim4855 I regret buying ESO. Combat is totally a turn-off, no immersion in animation & so clunky. I just can't leave GW2.
@@raymacz1922 Yea its a shame. It has probably richest lore out there with WoW yet it's combat, animations and character models are so fucking badly done
@@Jinny-Wa I encourage everybody to try out a trial version of ESO. The lore is awesome and they have some really cool system but damn that combat system turned me off so very quickly. But some people like it so yeah check it out. But spend no money on it until you tried it.
@@robinkuster1127 My Steam library says i have played it for 500h + i also played in beta and before it was in Steam
I've wanted this for so long. It's been years. I can't wait to go back to Cantha!
I always thought that the Deep Sea Dragon might have some connection to Cantha. Wonder if this will be the end of the dragon storyline. Would love to see a new threat, or connection with the Quetzal/other Tengu in the new expansion.
Before they *really* announce the expansion with details, etc. you should hold a contest for guessing what the expansion is going to be called. Would be really fun in my opinion
Just call it « the wind of change » EZ
@@flobro6768 that would be too easy, but also wouldn't be surprised if that's what it ended up being
I just want my damn ritualist back! Like, not just the playstyle, but the armour, the animations, skill names, ASHES!
it's also possible that well see a cantha with architecture from a singular real country, china or Korea, justified lorewise as the Minister of Purity trying to create a singular unified architectural and cultural appearance
or just split into sections, like rivaling parts.
I could also see them just dividing up the different areas based on architecture. Maybe there's Chinese buildings in one map and Korean buildings in another. This wouldn't impact the experience for westerners very much, but would be a noticable improvement for the Asian audience.
@@jodajoda2863 oh I hadn't even thought of that, that's also a great idea
I seriously am considering playing the factions campaign again. I bet there was an influx of players on factions since the announcement yesterday. I also now have a really goo reason to watch your LP of factions now.
I have two important words and those two words are "SIEGE TURTLE!". I hope to see them especiually with the prospect they could be used in WvW xD
I'll be honest, it's your videos WP which bring me back to GW2 after I've left it for a while. Really looking forward to all your videos during the development of the expansion
Revenant with GS, oooh YES i believe
Me 2 .. with a samurai armor 😎
@@angellaguna9690 Rev wears heavy armor. Samurai armor is medium at best. So not gonna happen :D
Maybe Thief Ninja-style
No way in hell samurai armor is medium armor by rpg standards. O-yoroi was made to literally withstand arrows/gunshots and weighs over 30 kgs (65 mcdonald units).
I'm in the same boat as you - I don't need a carbon copy of Cantha from GW1. All the other regions have changed, from Ascalon to Kryta to the Maguuma Jungle to the Crystal Desert to Elona. While all those regions maintain their particular "flavor" from the original game, it's apparent all of those regions have advanced and changed over 250 game years. Why wouldn't that also be the case for Cantha? I loved Cantha from GW1. It's some of my favorite maps from the original game because I love the architecture and culture. But that's not why I want a GW2 Cantha expansion - I want that expansion because Winds of Change left us on a gigantic cliffhanger, followed by Cantha going isolationist, followed by Zhaitan raising Orr and cutting off all contact. What I'm saying is the reason why I want to go there is I want to know what happened there.
I haven't ever been to Cantha but i really wanna know the full story too
Same I’m looking forward to seeing how the areas changed since Gw1, but I’ve always been so curious about the story with how winds of change/movement of the world left off
I was literally doing vanquishing title on Shing Jea in GW1 when I saw your video about the expack announcement come up in my youtube feed on my second monitor. I'm beyond excited
I just want to say I totally called this back in LWS4 when they kept making us pick up books about Cantha for collection achievements in a couple of chapters. I had hoped it would be after season 4 ended but hell, I can wait another year or so.
Something that really stood out to me was the M.O.X mission to deactivate another golem that threaten to kill the emperor of Cantha. It was so surreal to see basicallly a piece of sci-fi in a eastern environment. It'd be hilarious if Hero-Tron somehow makes his way to Cantha and gets in trouble with the authorities just like in LW S1 with the Seraph XD
Don't forget that the seas are nearly 20 metres higher than before… so if Keineng city still stand, the emperor's palace will probably be on the beach and the whole city rebuilt in the mountains behind the old sunken city. It'll be a very different urban new map... and most likely having a uniform architectural style since mostly everything rebuilt under the minister of Purity.
I imagine that Kaineng City will be fully changed given that the Walled City is a bit of a sore spot in China. I could definitely see it having something to do with the DSD. I can see the current Saga ending with us either joining with Jormag against the DSD or us defeating Jormag leading to the rise of the DSD. Will be interesting since I know Jory is at least part Cathan, so will be cool to see if she got any storyline about it.
They haven't made a city of any noteworthy scope since the original
release (not counting the different Lion's Arch stages), so I'm really
hopeing we get to see a new one.
I imagine Kaineng is pretty high tech tech by now. I seem to remember concept art of a high-tech asian-looking city, but I can't for the life of me find it now.
So... TENGU RACE?
I just arrived in Japan a few days ago for a family visit, and even though I'm stressed about catching covid19 this announcement completely changed my mood and I'm so filled with joy.
Great video WP, having not played GW1 any lore and history on Cantha is very appreciated.
This now is my childhood, I remember playing GW1 in cantha in my cold basement. even the music brings me so much joy!
Factions was my favorite of the expack and the one I spent the most time in. Been dreaming of seeing the Gw2 version of it for years now. So excited to see what they do with the lore and maps there
Ever since the latest Saga release I have been getting more excited about coming back to this game! I can tell they've really changed their content teams, especially in the Story department, because the new story has been giving me the chills!
GW2 has always felt cheesy af, but now the characters are finally starting to mature... so we'll see...
I don't expect we'll see Cantha till next year
i had binged watch all the wp's gw1 series and finally finished your bonus episodes too and i cant believe they announce 3rd expac right when im doing the winds of change quest line :D
and i wonder if new elite specs are a thing, if so i wonder what theme we can hit with 9 classes
Ah, those were great times in Cantha becoming closer to the stars. Good memories.
The nostalgia for Fort Aspenwood and Jade Quarry is heavy!!!! I have been trying to play those pvp modes on GW1 for weeks and still zip! I just wanna play ONE LAST TIME!!!!! If GW2 brings these back, I think I will cry with excitement!
Cantha was my favourite expansion and my introduction to Guild Wars. I'm very excited to return, this time with my GW2 character. I wonder if they will split the architectures. Something like the Kurzicks having Chinese architecture and the Luxons having Korean architecture. That would solve the mixing problem and preserve the general look of Cantha.
I'm looking forward to your analyses of things as the expansion gets closer! Thanks WP.
I would love to hear more about Cantha, I'm looking forward to the videos!
i hope they add new weapons for elite specs....like Spears or Glaives you can use on land
I haven't played GW2 in over 5 years but I still periodically follow what's going on through this channel. If it's true Cantha is coming back then I will be back in GW2 for the first time in years. Yes it might seem like a superficial reason to come back but I've felt there was never really much of a reason for ME to return to the game except for Cantha since I loved it that much in GW1.
What are your expectations on the "new" elite specializations guys ?
Like:
Warrior -> Samurai
Guardian -> Monk
Ranger -> Shaman
Thief -> Ninja
Elementalist -> Arcanist
Mesmer -> Warlock
Necromancer -> Taoist
Etc
too many chinese
I was pretty much done with GW2, but i will come back to check out Cantha.
I remember the backlash coming from Asia was so bad because of the Cantha expansion. That's why they were so adamant about not having Cantha in GW2 for the longest time. I hope they can avoid that mess this time.
So the image is called Home carousel Shing Jea...
Could they be hinting at personal housing ? What if the entire island of shing Jea would actually become the property of the player character and so we would be able to "upgrade" it through the entire legnth of the expansion ?
I just finished my first playthrough of Factions a couple months ago, and the entire time I was in the echovald forest or the jade sea, all I could think about was how cool it would be to see what the devs could make in gw2, how epic the locations would look, but i kept telling myself that would probably never happen and to not get my hopes up, but fast forward two months and that dream is alive and real! I cant wait to see how they revisit cantha, and I am also excited to see all your videos concerning cantha to properly get the hype train rolling :D
Never expected to see Cantha. They clearly said it would never happen. Well, this is a nice surprise ! So excited to see these gw1 places in gw2, the music, the culture, luxons and kurzicks, maybe more things for the revenant,...
I hope there will be more lines for Shiro 'Legendary Assassin' for rev as soon as we reach Cantha. Like, showing how he feels like coming back home, or perhaps sharing his regret for the past misdeeds he had done, as well as prayers for Cantha to be better in the future and stuffs.
And please... samurai armor and katana. It'll suit my Canthan rev better lol--
Slight alternative interpretation of the nuking of the district: it wasn't NCSoft pulling a power move, but it was anet cutting it out of an abundance of caution about the upcoming expansion to the chinese market. The devs might have just been freaked because they knew they didn't want to rebuild the place later when they launched in China.
If nothing else, it's been 250 years. Cantha might've changed how they build stuff since so, I guess there's a fair handwave for why the looks could be different.
Yeah. Just look at how stuff in our world have evolved in that same amount of time. People expecting it to be a cookie cutter version of the GW1 Cantha are too hung up on nostalgia.
My friends and I are really excited about it. Those releases and news this year are all great.
We had a break in gaming due to busy times but now it's really worth to ho back into guild action I suppose.
i can definitely see the culture bind their original setup might've brought to the table, but I think the delay in actually getting to Cantha was to do with the plot and progression of the story.
Glint wanted to tackle Kralkatorrik first because she was best-suited for taking on his mantle and could better help everyone from there. It would help free up Elona some, I'm sure, but the charr and humans would be greatly relieved. What she planned next I can only guess, but I think it would have been Zhaitan, establishing Vlast as the scion there.
Without Glint, Zhaitan was the logical choice anyway, regardless of what the segregated cultures thought. Zhaitan knew it, too, which is why he kept so much focus on Tyria's greatest trade system, spearheaded by its only true "free city". Although all the dragons sans Mordremoth and DSD had some overlap, the biggest pain for the Lionsguard trade routes was Zhaitan. Defeating him brought trade stability. after that Kralky would've been logical, but Mordy tossed a spanner in the works. Then Balth Salts made it worse, but we dropped Kralks and freed up a lot of the dragon heat everyone was feeling. Primordus took a nap, and Jormag retreated for a time.
By ridding the world of Jormag, or changing its mind on malicious intent, we would effectively free Tyria's mainland from the worst of its pressing problems. Primo still needs dealt with, of course, but we need allies to fill the void of many casualties in the dragon wars. Cantha is the next logical place for that, now that people know they can not only work together, but finance the operation and provide several routes to do so without so much constriction. By this point in the lore, the biggest hang-up for us is the still-existing Inquest. This saga should wrap-up issues with Flame Legion and Sons of Svanir--and bandits are already dealt with. When you think about all that has been plaguing these people, this is a great reduction in stress.
I jsut hope that at the end of it all the great destroyer Primordus rises from slumber and inundates the world in fire. a sort of Tyrian take on Surtr rising--and maybe now he has no opposite to contend with, either in the form of Jormag or DSD.
LET CHAOS REIGN!
Running around DR, for the last maybe year or less, there are NPCs talking about Cantha. Two women in particular are discussing how difficult it is to find decent Canthan food, and go on to say there has been no contact for over 100 years. It takes a huge amount of time to develop an expansion, so of course this has been in the works for a while, and ANet is really decent about having NPC chatter drop vague, very miss-able hints. I'm glad their bring Cantha back.
LOL at potatoes setting up the information and the human character just glitches right past him up the hill. @ 0:30
When hearing this music, the only thing it needs is the sounds of my spirits being summoned and attacking! Proud Ritualist main :D
This is great news, I'm looking forward to it and I've play both GW1 & GW2 from start. There will be a small vocal minority that will complain about how they finished the 3rd expansion in 20 mins and there is nothing else to do.
I was doubting that the xpac would be Cantha, until I watched the Cellofrag video where he showed that title on the video. I was thinking that the original picture was a hint to the Temple of the Winds, the Tengu region accessible from Lion's Arch.
Now, after having listened to you, I'm thinking that, maybe, the Temple of the Winds will lead into Shing Jea, and perhaps a battle against the underwater dragon that had cut Tyria off from Cantha.
So excited for this been waiting for this for what ~7 years? Take me back to Cantha.
Factions was always my favorite GW1 expansion so I'm excited to go back. I'm looking forward to how different it will be and what exactly happened there other than the bit that's know (you know, xenophobic emperor thing and the fate of the Kurzic and Luxon factions)
This news brought me butterflies, finally something to really look forward to. I loved the hype train for HoT and I hope they actually market and hype this one up unlike PoF.
Haven't even been playing for a year, so of course it will all be new to me. But that said, I just hope for its success; Tyria is a big world and there are so many places unexp[ored. They just need the time - and success - to take us to those places.
whoever was in charge of promoting gw1 winds of change on the website was doing a really good job
Just when I was ready to wean myself away from GW2 because I figured there wouldn't be much else and BOOM! Something to look forward to again.
I think that the recent reorganisation of the studio resurfaced some old, veeeeery old ideas that had to be nuked together with Canthan district and then a simple call to the Marketing team revealed that Chinese client is no more a thing. What I'm afraid of is that they may be throwing us a S3 ball again, with all the Jormag story fading behind the new enemy that will lead us to Cantha.
Wooden P, no one is saying NOT to use the Cantha soundtrack for every video you make... I’m just saying.... please... it’s so calming and peaceful 🥺
Oh man what is this feeling?
The balance patch got me logging on again,
The 2v2 has me queing again
My wvw guild is slowly starting to come together again
Then this cantha track woaooaoa
Am i gunna feel hype?
I think the Canthan District as a mist location would be cool. Just a way to have players see it without reintroducing it. Also disappointed the next xpac isn't charr focused taking place in the Blood Legion and Ash Legion Homeland. I say this as someone who never plays Charr. They deserve some love.
That's cool with the podcast, I didn't know about that. But I feel like I'm the only one who remembers that old post on the official forums. Some dev said that the district was removed because of that Asian culture thing, but also that the specific manager who didn't like it wasn't involved in the process anymore and that this dev perseonally thought it might not be a problem the next time it got brought up.
Unfortunately those old forums are lost to time, and last time I tried I haven't been able to find an archived copy of that reply. So the only thing that remains is a memory that changes slightly each time you recall it. According to that, it was just two comment replies in some thread, the first about the district, the second about the manager. I don't even remember from which dev they were but it could have been Josh.
woohoo can't wait to go back, wonder when it's going to come out. I loved a lot of the Canthan areas
Well when you beat Zhaitan (whose undead hordes were elsewhere described as the reason Cantha couldn't contact the rest of Tyria) it did sort of seem like there would at least be a possibility of a Cantha expansion next. It was kind of disappointing that the only references to Cantha in GW2 were pulled from DR except a couple NPC's that gave literal snippets of lore about it.
The elite specs for this one should be pretty good.
Wow, this episode was so fun to listen to! So wild!
Ahh! The music!!! 😍
What beautiful memories ❤❤❤
As an admirer of Asian culture in general I was yearning to go to Cantha ever since I heard about it. I'm so glad it's finally going to happen (it seems) :D
oh wonderful! You did see the Winds of Change reference. :thumbs up:
This video kinda gives off the old gw mystery videos... love it!
I'm glad I saved 4k gold and bought perm bank access. Now I can explore Cantha without having to take a break by teleporting away for storage and merch.
Ultimate convenience.
If they have to navigate a sensitive market when it comes to assets like that, could be in part what took so long. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd played with the idea earlier too and decided that the flow of the story didn't drive us there yet, especially if it's truly far away. We've sort of circled that ocean now between Orr (Zhaitan), the Jungle (Mordremoth), and then Elona (Kralkatorik). Even had that brief stop in the Fire Aisles due to Primordus so I could see some speculation that since he went from the north towards more southern regions...maybe he kept moving south when he woke up again? But I'm really hoping there's some Deep Sea Dragon lore coming with that more than Primordus issues (I kind of also hope we don't resolve Jormag in whatever way we do too soon because they're really neat).
I'd also be curious if we ever get to go inside the Dominion of the Four Winds with a Canthan expansion. I've honestly just wanted to go inside since probably the launch though so that's more personal wish and whims right there.
This OG music just tears me up
It would be cool if thief had the Lead/Off-hand/Dual attack skill combos that Assassin had. Reward players for chaining skills together with some strong finishers instead of just spamming pistol 3 like i do 😈
going to have to say cantha is looking a lot better than it was in factions ... though its been ages since I have played gw1 all I can remember is the jade sea and a place that's all rickety (though I think that's because I had a necro main and I think flesh golem was a factions elite skill in a rickety place)
Cantha and factions in gw1 also did a lot for guilds maybe in gw2 they will expand guilds with guild halls from gw2 and do guild hall attack and defence
Awesome!! So excited to hear about Cantha! Revenant had a link to Cantha, didnt it?
My theory is Cantha needs our help. We've ignored the Sea Dragon all this time, let it destroy the Lagos, Krait, etc societies, and done nothing. Now it is moving its minions ashore and Cantha knows we beat the other Elder Dragons and asks for our help.
Winds of Change?
*Tzeentch has entered the Chat*
the problem I see is that there will be a lot of people that will think, "oh cool we get to go back to the jade sea, and the echovald forest and kaineng city but when we get there in gw2 the jade sea is just another body of water, the echovald forest is just another lush green forest, kaineng city is just another city then then rage, and cry, and complain bashing the studio for "ruining" the game, not knowing the lore.
I'm expecting a middle ground. Underwater combat opens a lot of room to turn those.mined Jade cities into underwater cities. I wouldn't expect them to remove such iconic aspects of cantha completely (I don't think the movement of the world article is that convincing anymore)
We talked about the tengu might lead us there, and they would maybe, just maybe be a new race.
I think Anet did a lot of right, but at least as much wrong.
Loved Elona though.
But though I am mostly a PvE player, the lack of attention to PvP actually killed GW2 for me..
GW 1 and 2 was still a great experience, I just think the vision of GW2 strangled it in practise.
The real question is, why did this Norn start in Queensdale and not in Hoelbrak?
I just want to join the tengu VIP club and finally see the Dominion of Winds. Sadly most places in GW2 feels much less grandiose to me than in GW1 so I'm scared a half-melted Jade sea will be a bit meh, but still exctiting to see where they go with this! (Also hoping for a pause in the dragon-slaying business, I like my Kuunavang as she is.)
This could bring me back to the game, holy shit.
Holy shit. This might have brought me back to the game a while ago...
While it's true there was no obligation for ANet to take us back to Cantha, not doing so would involve ignoring a significant and consistent call from the player base since the game launched BEGGING to have Cantha included and to possibly get Tengu as a playable race. ANet doesn't HAVE to do anything, but I guarantee the response to this development, in terms of vocal response and the number of players who will return to the game SOLELY because of this expansion, will show that this was long overdue and was absolutely the right call for ANet and for GW2.
I wonder if the storyline will touch upon saltspray dragons or potentially link to the Celestials (Closer to the stars), especially since the last seasons ending where aurene shoots accross the sky