** Wow thanks for all the comments folks! I can't keep up with them having answered over 500 this morning...apologies if I don't get to yours quickly! **
I’m very tempted by the Tiger 900GT Pro, to replace my Versys 1000GT. As I’m getting older and more creaky in the hips, I’m finding the Kwacker a bit heavy to manhandle at low speed. All reviews of the Tiger seem to be glowing, and it would appear to hide its weight well. Only problem is that on trade in, my very low mileage, 4 year old bike is only worth £6000. That’s another £6800 to find, before another grand on luggage! Is it worth laying out that amount of money, for something similar to what I already have? Sadly no. But I’d like to !
No real argument about a bad bike these days. For me, it comes down to preference and usability. That is, for most of us that can only afford one bike.
One of the major factors in my decision making: the local dealer. If the dealer doesn't give good service during the purchasing process, (even leading up to it) and provides good after sales support, it really doesn't matter how good one thinks the bike is.
I test rode the GT Pro a couple of weeks ago. I then test rode the GSA last week. I have decided to buy the GSA. Ironically, I think the GT Pro would make a fantastic daily ride. I loved it’s handling, it’s manners and it’s feeling of lightness (I come from a Rocket 3) However, I loved the presence and riding position of the GSA as well as the totally surprising handling, bearing in mind the bulk. For me, it all came down to how the bikes made me feel. I simply preferred the feeling of riding the GSA. I know that’s a bit of an airy fairy way to decide but no regrets.
Kind of just came to the same conclusing, except I bought the Tiger a month ago and tested the GS today. Hmmmm. BMW would have to make me a great offer but you never know.
@666 Dual Sport Dirt track? On a GS? However Mr Flyer did indeed come off his GS on er.. Muddy path. He had no trouble picking it up and he's not exactly Swartznegger.
@666 Dual Sport I dropped Honda cb650 on riding lesson. I picked it up but it hurt pride more than anything. I guess Mr Flyer is stronger than he looks
Just test rode these two back to back, and for me, the Tiger has it. I was impressed with the suspension and brakes on the GS, and there’s more power, but I didn’t think the difference felt as big as the numbers would suggest. The quickshifter on the Tiger is way better, in a different league. And the Tiger sounds better and feels just as comfortable. And the price difference here in Norway is 8500 pounds...
As I've said before ,I left the BMW fold after 38 years of owning the things! You know what , there's life after BMW. The move to a chain was a worry but it would appear chain technology has moved on in the last 4 decades. Another thing I've noticed is that BMW finish is not as it was ( my last 1200gs water cooled had to have it's complete drive train replaced because of corrosion) and the triumphs I've had since have been streets ahead with their finish and they go just as well as ,or better than the BMW
Totally agree - just ordered a Tiger and sold my GSA and one of bug bears is the excuse my language c*** paint and finish on the modern GS. I also run a Duke390 made in India and the paint and component finish quality is far better on that than the BMW! I really hope the Triumph is as good as it looks in terms of finish.
Got to agree...I have had BMW GS bikes since 1986.... the 1150 and subsequent 1200s saw a decrease in finish but we still ahead of the current batch of water cooled bikes....it pains me to say it but I would go triumph now....much better quality.
BMW riders in the states are like HD riders. "Get a real bike" is always the statement or look on their faces if you're not riding their brand. Sigh...
@@markjacobs3956 Well this BMW rider in the states isn't that way - I'll ride with anyone if they're a decent person. And I know several other BMW owners who'll ride with anyone. Maybe painting with too broad a brush?
Great comparison 👍. I’ve owned 14 different brands of motorcycles in the last 45 years, ranging in displacement from 90cc to over 1300cc, and for a touring bike I now find I prefer a modern “middleweight” machine. All around easier to deal with especially with a passenger, and because of that I’m not as tired at the end of the day. Today’s “middleweight” machines make more than enough power for two up touring, so if I was in the market for a new touring bike I’d be giving the Triumph a good look. 😉
The Tiger looks like a brilliant bike and I loved my old 800 but having moved to a 1290 KTM Super Adventure I'll take the extra performance over the questionable looks anyday
What a great review Andy, those are the two bikes i am contemplating changing to and wasn't to sure which route to go down. After watching your video i have decided to go for the Triumph. As i am only 5'6'' i think that the smaller bike would suit me better and the fact i mostly ride solo it would be easier for me to move around. Keep up the great work and thank you for your honest and unbiased opinions.
I bought the Tiger 900 GT Pro in November 2021 and I have to say that it is an exceedingly fun and powerful bike with great character,well done Triumph 🇬🇧
Andy. Just to add one thing and for me would probably be a deal breaker, two words .. shaft drive. I think i would be very reluctant to go back to the faff of a chain but then again I haven't ridden either bike. To be honest i thought the triumph had you. You have to say what a bike and that quick shifter!. Top job once again
Someone else might have already commented on this, but in my mind, a BIG plus for the GS is shaft-drive. No worrying about a chain maintenance on your tour. I'm in the Pacific Northwest of the US, and with the rain we get I'd much prefer the shaft drive over chain cleaning/lubing and occasional adjusting as it stretches. Yes you have to change the drive oil on a shaft drive (and clean/lube the gear splines) - but the intervals are such that you can easily plan around those times when making your touring plans.
Great video Andy. My case is exactly the same of yours. Just sold my 2015 GS and now I’m deciding between an used 2016 GSA or a new 900 Tiger. Your review helped a lot. Thanks!
You could always take the Tiger pillion seat to an upholsterer and get it remade with a softer seat padding, it would work out a lot cheaper than the difference between the price of the GS and the Tiger. I whole heartedly agree on the TFT screen though. That is a big own goal for Triumph! Hopefully they can issue a software update via the dealerships and install a couple of new "GS" style display options. (Come on Triumph!) You never mentioned in this video that the Tiger's buttons were backlit compared to the GS's non-backlit ones. Overall, a very nice comparison video! Keep up the good work!
I have a Street Triple RS but always enjoy watching bike vids. I read one of the other comments mentioning the importance of dealers. When I replaced my last bike (2012 Striple) I did a tour of all the dealers and considered everything. I went to the local BMW dealer. I have been in their before and never felt welcome. Not even a hello, a be with you in a mo. I walked around, looked at the bikes and walked out after about 20 mins. At the time I went in with the serious intention of a s1100rr. Went to my local Triumph dealer and the experience was the complete opposite, friendly, chatty. This means a lot when parting with all that money.
Just took the Tiger out today. Wow what an engine, super fun to ride really enjoyed it. Night and day to the GS which I'm afraid is super beige even with the shift cam update, I would also say that if you are doing any degree of off road the Tiger is going to be far more manageable than the GS.
Great review Andy. I have a GT PRO and GS (2017 LC). Fully agree with your findings. Both great bikes and (affordability aside) it boils down to the type of riding. The Tiger is much lighter, cheaper and more exciting to ride than the GS . But, the Beemer is more plush , has more road presence, and has supreme touring ability. Tough call if both are important!
Interesting comparison. They are probably my two favourite current adventure bikes. I have a 2019 R1250GS and I absolutely love it, but I must admit the Tiger 900 ticks a lot of boxes. However, shaft drive is an important consideration as is the lack of front fork dive on the GS. Fortunately my GS is only a year old so I don't have to think about this conundrum for a while. Keep up the good work.
I tested the Tiger 900 Rally Pro. And Wow that's a great bike. If you're looking for an Adventure bike, i don't think there's a better choice. Today's 900's (888cc) engines are so powerful, you'll rarely encounter a situation where you'll need more. And the lighter bike is easier to move around, use less fuel and handles better. You can always buy a comfort seat.
Enjoyed as always I'm sure you'll get people saying it's not a proper comparison even though you've explained it. Keep up the good work and the variations on ya video's 👍👍
You have the extra wind deflector on the top of the GS screen, if you add one to the Triumph you may find wind protection better. Given the massive price difference between the two, you could add a comfort seat to the Tiger and still come in way under the price of the GS
Well Mr Fly I'm sure you have considered the trade in value for each dealership along with the bargaining power of being an influential blogger. Considering the extra exposure they would benefit from I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't get the top of the range all bells and whistles. I also see no shame in heading down this path as life after all it's getting the best options or opportunities for you while not harming others. This is my very first comment on UA-cam after years of scrolling, go me ! 🤔
Trust me I have no more bargaining power than anyone else, I've proved that to myself several times! Welcome to the world of commenting - what kept you? ;0)
That's sad too hear Mr Fly . I guess laziness on my part until you gave me the motivation to comment. I certainly enjoy your channel an excellent experience of Britishness (oh 2nd comment could be controversial, I'll be writing a book in no time)
That was a great comparison. However, I do believe you didn’t really address the “grin factor” and only slightly grazed the “bang-for-buck” question. You also ignored another factors. One is maintenance and cleaning. It’s obvious that you have a great deal of pride in owning quality bikes and you are meticulous in your care of them. So the ability to perform many aspects of home maintenance is important to you. Yet I get the impression that BMW thinks otherwise. I’m sure that the Service Managers in a BMW dealerships books themselves another holiday in the Maldives whenever they sell a new bike. Their spares are not cheap and often made from unobtainium. Also the new generation bikes have “non-tamper” access panels and plugs making home maintenance more awkward and expensive than other marques. The other factor that you didn’t address was the balance of your “stable”. Does it need another torquey twin or does it need a slick-shifting howling triple? I think you answered that yourself.
Each to their own but I found some aspects of the Tiger 900 didn’t suit me in comparison to my T120, which is about as low tech as you can get now and even that’s got more options than were on my Blackbird! Visually distracting screens and buttons can’t be a good thing, I expect most owners will settle on one set up and never change after the novelty factor wears off.
@@lesrankin9539 Isn't that the intention though ? Surely they don't expect people to keep changing it just because they can, once you have it set the way you like it, why would you want to change it ?
Good comparison. Thing I always look at is servicing costs. The triumph is a bit more expensive. I have the R12R at the moment and am thinking of changing too. I test rode a 790 duke the other day, cracking bike, amazing quick shifter too, but isn’t didn’t feel as well screwed together as my BM. The F900 BMW is a tall bike and quite heavy, haven’t as yet had a go on the triumph. I did have the old 800, so will be testing one soon.
Fair comments - have just taken delivery of new GT Pro, excellent in every way. Traded an s1000r for it (before that a ZZR1400) BMW too cramped, ZZR too fast. This Tiger ticks all boxes, love it !
Thank you for posting. Just finished a 2600+ miles on my 2017 GS, from Colorado to Washington and back. With and without pillion, in cold (40'sF) and hot weather (100F+), from sea level, to about 9000 ft. Not one hiccup from the bike. With the automated suspension, it adapted well from being fully loaded to being fully unloaded. I have not ridden the Triumph, so I cannot make a fair comparison, but the engine on the GS felt like it could go forever.
The GS is probably the best all-round bike ever made for most people, however I went for the Super adventure, it just makes you giggle and feel alive way more than any bmw ever could.
Well, "Best All-round" is a bit overboard. Quite a bit overboard. Too Big, to Heavy. Not nearly as bad a Harley, but still too big! Lots of better bikes and the Tiger is certainly one of them.
@@jerryandnancywertzbaugher7778 Too big and too heavy is extremely relative and subjective. Most moto journo's would probably pick the GS as overall best do-it-all bike, and they have a lot more experience with bikes than you and me.
Good review, I had an Africa Twin AS and wanted to change so had the same dilemma. Previously had 1100GS 1150 GSA and 1200GS amongst many others. Both GS and Tiger were my final short list and eventually bought the Tiger Rally Pro for the engine, gearbox, handling then the icing on the cake was integrated nav, fog lights, illuminated switches and £6500 saving more or less. So happy 😁
Don’t like turn by turn nav though. I want to see a map because, if using open maps, turns are not always correct and turn instructions can be wrong or confusing. I don’t know where the Triumph mapping is sourced? Interested to hear how well it works for you?
Interesting, I’ve got a Tiger 800 and my buddy has theGS. Neither of us can afford either new and we are both more than happy with our choices. we both spent exactly the same by the way...........
I purchased a Tiger 900 GT Pro 6 weeks ago. All I can tell you is that it's an awesome bike in every way. Only thing I would consider between the two is the engine power. If you are going to carry 2 people and a bunch of luggage, a 1200+ would probably be better. If you are mostly alone then Tiger 900 all the way !
An amazing bike and just had it's 40th anniversary www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0311071EN/bmw-motorrad-celebrates-40-years-of-bmw-gs-models-a-concept-that-changed-the-motorcycle-world?language=en#:~:text=A%20motorcycle%20concept%20that%20is,%2Droad%20and%20on%2Droad.
For the money saved on the beemer I’d by a Very good quality aftermarket seat for the Triumph, another point I found when I was looking and made a decision was my now lighter bike is less tiring on a long ride.
Another fine reveiw, a great way to spend 20 minutes. I own a 2018 gs 1200 and test rode the tiger, both great bikes. However the GS wi ns for me. The ability to change suspension from road to dynamic at a press of a button is fantastic. I use it constantly. On my regular ride route, I have twisty roads interrupted by straight somewhat pothole ridden roads, with a little dab of my finger the bike goes from sporty to comfort and back again. Fabulous! Hence the Beemer gets my vote. Again Andy many thanks for your efforts.
One question would also be: Do you take a passenger more often on long trips or short trips? Still like your reviews after several years, thanks mate !!
Exactly the comparison I was looking for (with these exact X2 bikes , can't believe I found this VLOG !! Thanks very much , very educational and really helps me decide which one to buy.
I was looking for a video like this, thanks. I'm making a similar decision just now too. I have a 2018 Tiger 800 and im now trying to pick between the new 900, the GS1250 and the yet to be revealed Tiger 1200 (which I presume will be a 1250 to match the GS). Think I'll be holding off until January when I assume the new Tiger will be revealed.
@@TheMissendenFlyer If they lower the wieght in the same idea of splitting the radiator on the new 1200 Tiger they may take more of the market .. I would stil love to see the 900 with a shaft drive ...
Just curious. Any reason you’re flipping a bike as recent as the 2018 Tiger 800? I own one myself and as impressed as I was on test riding the 900 the economics of flipping my 800 this soon didn’t seem worth the gain.
I have plenty of bikes in mi life,even bought a new f850gs last year, like it but not love it,just went back to a 2018 bmw r1200gs rallye, it is a bike that fits me like a glove! Always will be a newest supposedly better bike every year, but being honest with miself, the 1200 is perfect for me!
You have loved every moment of the ownership of the GS, I cannot really ever imagine you without one. The GS wins for me just a nicer looking bike bar far.
Great comparison vid between the Triumph & the GS. I appreciate the passenger comfort view of the bike, most reviews don’t take the passengers view into account. I’ve found it a nightmare trying to find a two up comfortable sports tourer (there’s nothing out there) unless you want an adventure bike, and at 5’ 6’ it ain’t gonna happen. Lowered GSX1250fa to the rescue, just a shame they don’t make them anymore! Please keep up with the passenger opinions 👍
Great review as always TMF! I just sold my 2019 GSA 1250(44,000klms) and bought a new 2022 Triumph GT Pro. The GSA was my 2nd BMW having graduated from a 2015 GS1200 to the 2019 GSA 1250 - the 1250 is definitely a better motor with more torque down low and better up top than the 1200, and felt much smoother and more responsive. But the Triumph, at over 50kgs lighter and that quickshifter to "die for" I am super happy with my change. To be honest it took me a little while to get "comfortable" and get used to the Triumph, and at first the Triumph felt a bit like a "toy" compared to the BMW, but now I dont think this. I am 6'2" ( 100Kgs) 69 years old, and cannot complain about the ergonomics and seating/footpeg position at all, it just took a little while to get used to the overall change from the BMW's....I agree with everything you say in the video with the comparison. The BMW is definitely better in the TFT area, and the joystick compared to the wheel on the BMW is definitely not as good, but I now have a good handle on it all, so no real complaints. My only complaint would be I feel the Triumphs heated grips are NOT as good (hot) as the BMW, especially on the hottest setting. I was also concerned going back to a chain, compared to the shaft, but so far, its not an issue, although I can feel a little chain snatch at times, but no doubt that's something in my riding I need to smooth out, but the shaft drive I feel is definitely better. BUT the biggest feature I think, is the Triumph definitely feels and looks to have better quality and at some $11,000 ( Australian ) cheaper than the BMW, the Tiger is a BARGAIN! Thanks for your review TMF it made up my mind to go for the Tiger!!
Im stunned at your summary. Throughout the video you clearly preferred the Triumph with the exception of the TFT and controls but in every other area you swung towards it. The seat for the passenger was a little firm but as you say it was a better bike due to smother gear changes and lighter a slow speeds but then you say if you had the money you would buy a BMW!!!!! That just doesnt make any sense. You clearly preferred the Triumph....use the savings on a touring seat pad for the passenger and pay for all the hotels on your summer holiday.... its a no brainer
As I said bike buying isn’t necessarily logical! This is only my subjective opinion, I marginally prefer the big GS on comfort, there’s no doubt the Tiger 900 is better value....but I’d still have a GS if money wasn’t a factor...
Hello Andy, for me it would be the Triumph Tiger, what a good all round bike! I am not a fan of the GS which is heavy, slow, poor on fuel and cost a lot of money. And just for the record to all you GS fans who think that they handle well, you need to follow a GS on a bike that is light and does handle well to observe what a handful the GS is to ride!
You've already had the GS. I guess most of your riding is solo. You know where this is going, Triumph.....and cheaper to. I guess you could even afford a comfy seat for Mrs. TMF at the price difference?
The key factor for me is the final drive. Chain for the Tiger and shaft for the GS. For touring shaft drive wins hands down. Any other perceived shortfall with the Tiger can be fixed with custom options.
I would have gone for the tiger myself. Don't use WD on your switches its a water displacement spray as it drys it will go tacky Use the graphite spray
Graphite and electrics, I don't think would be a good mix, some sort of non setting silicon spray would be safer, not contact cleaner though, which might affect the plastics.
Perfectly timed video. I’m not sure why people must see bikes in one “class” compared only to other bikes in the same. The class is Adventure bike, not displacement which tends to get too much focus. Right tool for the job... I’m currently trying to decide between a Tiger 900, KTM 790 & an R1200 GS. I don’t like the 1200 Tigers, the KTM190 is too tall and I wouldn’t buy an 850GS - so I’ve tried them all, a well informed decision to follow. The 1200GS, once moving, feels like a bike half it’s size and is a joy to ride, has great fit and finish. I’ve had a ton of Triumphs, the Tiger 800s feel like a speed triple with ADV parts bolted to it but I love the triples, comfort and what they did with the 900s. The KTM? I don’t like riding a billboard around but the 790 is a nice ride. Thanks again for the post, timing really could not be better!
Well I must say I'm jolly well surprised old chap. I thought it was going to be a total win for the luftwafa. Hey wot wot . But you gave the Tommy a dam good chance 👌 😏
I had the same decision - new R1250gs, new 1290SAS or Tiger. The Triumph didn’t handle as well for me, KTM on two different test bikes had electronic/sensor issues and the BMW was just awesome ! However here in Australia the BMW was $4000 more than the KTM - ouch ! I have a r1250GS exclusive in the garage.
I was after an adventure bike to head into the outback and after much deliberation I actually went for a Super Tenere ES as reliability, shaft drive and load carrying was paramount. It feels like an old Land Cruiser and it’s definitely a generation behind in the instrumentation department but the lazy smooth motor won out. The more modern bikes feel like they are straying away from being genuine all road adventure machines and more like a two wheeled SUV.
As a 2017 R1200gs owner I test rode a Tiger GT pro yesterday. Pro’s less weight, triple engine. Cons the tft display & rev counter. Think I will be sticking with the Gs for the time being.
I guess I’m in a minority here, but on my 2014 GSA the transmission is very smooth. I know the electronics adjust the engine speed when I shift sometimes and I’m sure that helps. The 2014 GSA is one of the smoothest transmissions I’ve used compared to Honda, Yamaha and Suzuki.
Took the Tiger 900 for a test drive today around Phuket Island today. Only went to the Triumph dealer to buy a bar end weight for my Bonnie, but got offered a test ride. Wow I might have to buy this bike, it's so nimble in traffic and great on the faster roads.
@@hamerplayer1229 comfort, could be much better . Footpeg position is way too aggressive (no need for that on a GT) which makes the seat push you forward and rest all the body weight on the thighs. It's very painful after a few hours on the saddle. People usually confuse this effect with a "bad seat".
The fact that you’ve had the GS for nearly 10 years and done 30,000 miles and it still looks as good as the day you purchased it, says so much about the way you look after your bikes. Very inspirational.
It’s absolutely the comparison I was looking for. shifting it about at low speed is important for me as I’m puny . I have the old Tiger 800 but would like a change. I will have to take both out for a test ride when I get serious. But it would be a second hand Gs1200 V new Tiger. And after watching Ryan at Fortnine vid on shift cam do I want a more complicated bike ? And another thing why don’t they have a low slung Exhaust like a Versys or Tracer as that means you can have two panniers the same size.
1000x this. The BMW S1000XR has such a good exhaust setup; you can get a full-face helmet in each pannier! I'm really hoping that Triumph will finally update the Tiger Sport with such a feature (as well as their new big triple, TFT dash and quickshifter of course!)
Well done Mr & Mrs Flyer, nice to see somebody comparing bikes that he wants rather than like for like! I was a long time viewer of your channel but been away for a while. Good to see that you have got Bennetts on board now, well done. They have contacted me for my touring business, perhaps when you are in the region (Southampton area) we could meet up and have a chat. Keep up the good work, all the best Carl (Solent Motorbike Tours)
When you’ve got that 500 mile day ahead of you and it’s shitty weather, on a gs is the most comfortable place to be .........and it does most other things really well. Most serious testers come to the same conclusion. Because it does most things so well it gets tagged as bland, it’s not ,but if it doesn’t do it for you there are lots of lesser bikes out there. Just sayin.
Totally agree - my problem is, I rarely do 500 mile days in shitty weather, and if I did regularly what would be left of the BMW with its paint / finish quality these days.
Gray John , never had a problem with any of mine but you’re right you do see folk complaining of problems. But I think it’s probably got a lot to do with the amount of gs sold , loads and loads. Don’t quote me but hasn’t it been the top selling big bike for a few years?
@@therevenant8537 just find some American sites in internet with the percentage of bikes that have problems in the first 4 years... BMW don't look great... 40 in 100 have issues... Triumph is the most reliable of the Europeans!
@@grayjohn1906 Fair Point. I bought a 2019 1250GS. 3 different times i had an error message on screen telling me to carefully ride it to a BMW dealer. One of those times I was 800 miles from home. Got it to a dealer and by the time they updated the software it costs me a whole day of my trip. Then I had leaky brake calipers that took3 weeks to get replacements. Loved the bike but issue after issue in the first 5k miles of owning it. Got fed up and traded it.
I purchased a Triumph Tiger Rally Pro a couple of months back. I have rode about 3,000 miles to date. First impressions I thought the seat was hard and the location of the pegs were a little to far back. It seemed the location of the pegs made my ankles a little cramped. After riding with different footwear I realized the cramping had more to do with my footwear than the location of the pegs. With the right footwear I have no problems. I found my Toucan boot are extremely comfortable. After about 1000 miles either I got used to the seat or the seat broke in. I now find the seat very comfortable. My two longest rides were between 6-7 hours each with no problems.
I'm thinking of returning to bikes after 30 or so years away and was considering a new GS. However, your reviews of the Tiger have certainly grabbed my attention and so I'm definitely going to check things out at my local Triumph dealer. Thanks for the great reviews.
Gotta say I'm pretty excited about the Tiger 900. The 800 was a dream bike of mine and this is pretty great timing for a new one to come out - I've got a restricted license for another 2.5 years, so should be just enough time to find a barely used one when my license matures!
Great review, thank you. I almost always replace the seats on my bikes with aftermarket alternatives, so the slight pillion hardness doesn't bother me too much. Triumph have done a great job with the Tiger. I used to have an original Tiger 800 and it was a fantastic bike so I'm really tempted by the 900. Really good that it can stand comparison with the GS at all, the GS is fantastic. That's a really high bar!
I've got two very different bikes from both manufacturers, a 2020 BMW S1000RR and a 2020 Triumph Bonneville T100. Thoroughly enjoying both in their own ways and different riding styles depending on what mood I'm in. Love them :) I do think Triumph have really raised their game in terms of design and quality in the last few years, so good on them I say.
Tough call, both bikes are reasonably comfortable, have adequate luggage space, fuel range, cruise control, heated grips/seat..others have pointed out the quality of dealer service after the sale. As an owner of my current '13 R1200RT the dealer support has been outstanding in California, and Arizona. I live in Washington state now, and the closest dealer is 60 miles away. (I live on the coast).
Mr. and Mrs. Flyer- This was an excellent and very fair comparison of these two machines, and one I myself made between the 1250GS and the previous generation middleweight Tiger before ultimately choosing the BMW. My choice came down to having a fine BMW dealership in my area and also to the extensive BMW touring culture/organization in the U.S. compared to the lack of these things for the Triumph. The improvements to the 900 Tiger probably would have made my choice even tougher!
The Tiger 900 doesn’t seem to have had a bad review anywhere as yet, save for the TFT design. For me, MT09 Tracer is similar displacement and riding position, quality of finish somewhat less, but is the difference big enough to go for the Tiger? I’m thinking keep the Tracer, bikes’ value goes down so much, just start a collection like your good self. Then it makes sense to get a big twin (GS), or the new big Tiger seems worth waiting for, and the Versys 1000SE offers a lot of bike for the money and super smooth engine. Fortunately this decision for me is off until next year, though it’s always hard to know which is the best option.
Tracer and Tiger aren't really in the same segment imo. Also the Tiger apparently splashes mud and dirt on your back, the rear fender doesn't do its job.
I'm a big Tracer fan but when I rode it and the Tiger to compare I found the Tracer more like a sportsbike with adventure bodywork and somehow less substantial than the Tiger. For a long distance "adventure" bike the Tiger wins by a margin for me, and there is only a small engine performance deficit and, in fact, solidly prefer the Tiger engine.
Another great review Mr TMF. For average Mr Smith on average income, the Tiger with comfort seat(available from Triumph) and aftermarket screen just makes more sense. Personally, I prefer better quickshifter and don't care about having a chain. We ride solo most of the time and the lighter more agile bike seems more fun :)
Spot on, I test rode the Tiger900 yesterday and would get a higher screen and softer seat. The only other thing was significant vibration at motorway speed which was rather off-putting.
As someone commented below, you use the right tool for the job. Horses for courses. So, if you were going around the world and doing a bit of off-road... The comparatively long travel suspension on the BMW GS would be in another league. That might be important. Also, the payload capability of the Triumph Tiger, two up, might not leave much for Mrs Flyer's luggage on a long trip!
I do a reasonably high mileage for work and play so residual prices are important to me, I want to know that in 3 years time at 30-40K I still get a good chunk back towards buying my next bike. For 3 x GS and 1 RT this has not been a problem I got a good chunk back (non PCP) to go towards the next bike and BMW make it very easy to change. With previous non BMW bikes over 30k i have almost had to give them away like a disposable razor. This year Triumph asked for a deposit to even test ride the new Tiger 900 which put me right off. So lovin the new GS1250 HP absolutely ballistic compared to previous R1200RT and the guys at Wolverhampton BMW are excellent, always a loan bike for services that never cost more than they said it would:) So more expensive to get into BMW but more cost effective once in.
I’ve test ridden triumphs from 2 different dealers and they couldn’t be more helpful, bent over backwards to lend me bikes and never paid a deposit. Sounds like your dealer rather than Triumph.
Completely agree with your summary. Solo I’d go triumph without question , two up GS every time. Also shaft vs chain makes a difference on a tour. And the GS has so many small details that make a difference on a long trip. Telelever when loaded up, vario cases expand when you’ve bought something and probably the worlds largest list of aftermarket accessories to get your bike just as you want. But I do love the sound of that triple 🤔
Having bought the last of the Triple Black GSA when I could have had 1250, the decision was based on a test ride and as a mere mortal I could not tell the difference the shift cam makes, the LC 1200 is good enough for my needs. Looking into the shift cam tech it seems it is a bit of a gimmick, have ridden a 1250 off road with the BMW school I am still not convinced I need to part with more hard earned to go to a 1250, I will say it seems smoother but not earth shatteringly different. To me it’s small margins for big bucks to change. So for me if I change the Triple Black I would look at the wider market and perhaps move away from BMW Triumph or KTM maybe. I would also seriously consider going smaller as I am not getting any younger and the GSA is a beast so the 800-900cc lighter machines would be a real option. The Triumph is now a nice looking machine and the triple sounds good. Nice choice to be faced with though 😉👍
Always a quandary when looking to change, bike car whatever, my choice fromR1200 GS was another BMW the new R1250 shift cam, yes still has its faults but I love it, comfortable, quick with huge road presence, as they say, you pays your money and the choice is yours, BMW for me.
I own an R1200GS, Africa Twin, Triumph, Scrambler and a DUcati Scramlber. I love them all, especially the Africa Twin which to me is my most comfortable road tourer. But it is so tall and heavy that I NEVER take it off road and as we speak, have it up for sale to buy a Tiger 900 GT Pro. In a perfect world, I would sell the GS in favor of an RT and the Africa Twin in favor of the Tiger 900 Rallye Pro. As much as I love my GS, taking it off road is too much concern given the 500 pound weight. The Tiger 900 is so much lighter I may actually take it off road once in a while. I grew up riding dirt bike and know what real off road riding is like and no 15k to 20k adv bike will ever be ridden like that by me. To expensive, to hard to pick up and at the ripe old age of 50, have some back and arthritis issues where bike weight will really keep me off road on anything other than a dirt bike. A Tiger 900 GT Pro can go 90% of the places a Rallye Pro can if only 80% as fast due to less suspension travel. But it should be so much more sporty on the road with the 19” front tire that I would likely go that route even though above I mention the Rallye Pro. I had the luxury of flying my R1200GS via Air Canada to Europe in August through October of 2018 and knowing that I rode that bike through French Alps, Dolomites, Slovenia, Croatia, etc, means I have a dopey sentimental attachment to that bike. I would really hate to part with it even though I know an R1250RT and Tiger 900 would be the best move (assuming I could afford it which I cannot). I loved Europe by the way I blogged at ADV rider as well as my own blog site. I still go back and re-read it to keep the memories alive. Perhaps we both need two more bikes?
Great analysis. My own datapoint: I'm 56, 6ft 1, 32" inseam, most of riding is 2 up. 》 I have a RT and a GS amongst my bikes..I rarely ride the RT as I find it has poor legroom and sets off my sciatica and hip pain. I also find it less fun than the GS. My passenger says the RT is more comfortable but the GS more involving. My bikes are a few years old now; if there was one thing I'd really ask, it would be that they were lighter. Sadly things have gone the wrong way on that front.
Just a fantastic compare between these two bikes--loved the presentation method, the way you went back and forth, best I've ever seen. Both of these bikes seem great, so whenever decision day comes, you will make a great choice--the bikes give slightly different riding experiences (although lots of overlap, as well), so either way you go you'll be a winner. Terrific job, and cool that you bring Mrs. Flyer in for her opinion from the passenger's point of view--well done all the way around!! Ride safe and keep up the great work.
A consideration.The support system around the world is far greater with the BMW.Add on's are much more freely available on BMW eg:Crash bars etc.Servicing a BMW etc.BMW(Shaft Drive),Easy to take wheels off BMW,easy to check valve clearances.Having indicated my preference for the BMW,the Triumph is a fantastic bike.Just an extra note.The BMW 1250 will be around for a lot longer than any Triumph 900.It is a close call none the less.Cheers.
Very informative, just had a test drive on a gt pro 900 this morning and is a big step up from a cb500x but the ride was so comfortable and powerful, actually contemplating getting one, also have to admit the gear changes are second to none on the triumph so smooth
Had a Tiger 800 and sold it for a GS1200 a few years ago. My main reason was power as I ride two up and the 800 was under powered when loaded up. If you only ride single then the Tiger is fine.
If the only real complaint your wife had was the seat comfort, I'm sure you could get a company to re-cover the pillion with more comfortable materials, but keep the seat heater. Might be a little costly, but really how many bikes are 100% perfect from the factory. A bigger/better windscreen would probably solve your other issue with it. As far as the joystick for the TFT...I feel like muscle memory would help you remember exactly where the joystick is versus the indicators, over time. And you have to ask yourself just how often are you really changing screens during the ride anyway. Just my two cents of course.
I've changed from a GS to the new Tiger 900 and my wife complained about the pillion seat comfort. She found that not only is the seat really hard but that the seat sits below the grab rails and cut into her legs. I did get the rear seat not only re-covered but the brilliant seat maker also made the original seat wider and higher, so that it now sits above the grab rails. He also used memory foam as the top layer. The wife loves it now. I must say you would be hard pushed to tell that it's not an original rear seat
Always love your vids. Mostly watch them on the telly so don't comment. On my Mac tonight so I can! I bought a 30th anniversary 1200gs a year ago. I love it, its like a Landrover on two wheels. I used to own a F800gs when they first came out - that I didn't like; lots of promises but the engine was boring and the seat purgatory. I know my 1200 is old but it more than lives up to the job! For classic thrills, I use my 750ss or 350lc... Keep up the good work. 👍🏼
** Wow thanks for all the comments folks! I can't keep up with them having answered over 500 this morning...apologies if I don't get to yours quickly! **
You need a hand with the channel mate?
To be expected. One of your best.
You’ve been pretty effusive of the Triumph, so this was a very welcome comparison vid, Andy. Really enjoyed it.
Hello, I think this is a real world comparison were the Tiger shows what a superior bike it is and at a fraction of the cost!
I’m very tempted by the Tiger 900GT Pro, to replace my Versys 1000GT. As I’m getting older and more creaky in the hips, I’m finding the Kwacker a bit heavy to manhandle at low speed. All reviews of the Tiger seem to be glowing, and it would appear to hide its weight well. Only problem is that on trade in, my very low mileage, 4 year old bike is only worth £6000. That’s another £6800 to find, before another grand on luggage! Is it worth laying out that amount of money, for something similar to what I already have? Sadly no. But I’d like to !
No real argument about a bad bike these days. For me, it comes down to preference and usability. That is, for most of us that can only afford one bike.
One of the major factors in my decision making: the local dealer. If the dealer doesn't give good service during the purchasing process, (even leading up to it) and provides good after sales support, it really doesn't matter how good one thinks the bike is.
A significant and valid point.
well I just buy used from private individuals anyway.
Completely agree 100% @thor8640. Local Triumph dealer techies are crap, but not so in the BMW dealership.......where all the staff are superb.
I walked into my local Triumph, was in the car... treated me like I was unimportant. So that’s put me off.
Very good point. Local BMW and Triumph dealers are woeful so I'll be looking further afield for my next purchase. Or I'll be back to Honda.
I test rode the GT Pro a couple of weeks ago. I then test rode the GSA last week. I have decided to buy the GSA. Ironically, I think the GT Pro would make a fantastic daily ride. I loved it’s handling, it’s manners and it’s feeling of lightness (I come from a Rocket 3) However, I loved the presence and riding position of the GSA as well as the totally surprising handling, bearing in mind the bulk. For me, it all came down to how the bikes made me feel. I simply preferred the feeling of riding the GSA. I know that’s a bit of an airy fairy way to decide but no regrets.
Kind of just came to the same conclusing, except I bought the Tiger a month ago and tested the GS today. Hmmmm. BMW would have to make me a great offer but you never know.
@666 Dual Sport Dirt track? On a GS? However Mr Flyer did indeed come off his GS on er.. Muddy path. He had no trouble picking it up and he's not exactly Swartznegger.
@666 Dual Sport I dropped Honda cb650 on riding lesson. I picked it up but it hurt pride more than anything. I guess Mr Flyer is stronger than he looks
Just test rode these two back to back, and for me, the Tiger has it. I was impressed with the suspension and brakes on the GS, and there’s more power, but I didn’t think the difference felt as big as the numbers would suggest. The quickshifter on the Tiger is way better, in a different league. And the Tiger sounds better and feels just as comfortable. And the price difference here in Norway is 8500 pounds...
funny how your "old GS" looks like it's been just ridden out of the dealership 😂
I thought that too 😂
Aww 😊
So true 😂
😀
Not even a cheeky green lanin' I reckon
The biggest categories NOT mentioned were cost of ownership, and reliability. I suspect these would present a very different picture.
As I've said before ,I left the BMW fold after 38 years of owning the things! You know what , there's life after BMW. The move to a chain was a worry but it would appear chain technology has moved on in the last 4 decades. Another thing I've noticed is that BMW finish is not as it was ( my last 1200gs water cooled had to have it's complete drive train replaced because of corrosion) and the triumphs I've had since have been streets ahead with their finish and they go just as well as ,or better than the BMW
I’m a Triumph fan boy too!
Totally agree - just ordered a Tiger and sold my GSA and one of bug bears is the excuse my language c*** paint and finish on the modern GS. I also run a Duke390 made in India and the paint and component finish quality is far better on that than the BMW! I really hope the Triumph is as good as it looks in terms of finish.
Got to agree...I have had BMW GS bikes since 1986.... the 1150 and subsequent 1200s saw a decrease in finish but we still ahead of the current batch of water cooled bikes....it pains me to say it but I would go triumph now....much better quality.
BMW riders in the states are like HD riders. "Get a real bike" is always the statement or look on their faces if you're not riding their brand. Sigh...
@@markjacobs3956 Well this BMW rider in the states isn't that way - I'll ride with anyone if they're a decent person. And I know several other BMW owners who'll ride with anyone. Maybe painting with too broad a brush?
Great comparison 👍. I’ve owned 14 different brands of motorcycles in the last 45 years, ranging in displacement from 90cc to over 1300cc, and for a touring bike I now find I prefer a modern “middleweight” machine. All around easier to deal with especially with a passenger, and because of that I’m not as tired at the end of the day. Today’s “middleweight” machines make more than enough power for two up touring, so if I was in the market for a new touring bike I’d be giving the Triumph a good look. 😉
Agreed. I’ve been riding Harley’s for over a decade until i decided to get off the tractor. I’ve got a Vstrom 650 now and having a ball!
I'm sure I saw a TMF video where he says something like, "this is my GS and I'm keeping it forever!"
Sounds to me, like you’re trying to talk yourself out of the GS.
The Tiger looks like a brilliant bike and I loved my old 800 but having moved to a 1290 KTM Super Adventure I'll take the extra performance over the questionable looks anyday
Picking my tiger 900 GT PRo (or should I say GS slayer!) today! 😃
Congratulations! Great machine...
Nice one @WayneSmith!
Picking up my Tiger today! Cannot wait :)
What a great review Andy, those are the two bikes i am contemplating changing to and wasn't to sure which route to go down. After watching your video i have decided to go for the Triumph. As i am only 5'6'' i think that the smaller bike would suit me better and the fact i mostly ride solo it would be easier for me to move around. Keep up the great work and thank you for your honest and unbiased opinions.
Do you still have it? How is/was it?
Hey Tony,
Same question as to how much you’re enjoying your Triumph? I stand at 5’5”, 155 lbs., and find BMW’s are too much bike for my preference 😊
I bought the Tiger 900 GT Pro in November 2021 and I have to say that it is an exceedingly fun and powerful bike with great character,well done Triumph 🇬🇧
Right on!
Andy. Just to add one thing and for me would probably be a deal breaker, two words .. shaft drive. I think i would be very reluctant to go back to the faff of a chain but then again I haven't ridden either bike. To be honest i thought the triumph had you. You have to say what a bike and that quick shifter!. Top job once again
Someone else might have already commented on this, but in my mind, a BIG plus for the GS is shaft-drive. No worrying about a chain maintenance on your tour. I'm in the Pacific Northwest of the US, and with the rain we get I'd much prefer the shaft drive over chain cleaning/lubing and occasional adjusting as it stretches.
Yes you have to change the drive oil on a shaft drive (and clean/lube the gear splines) - but the intervals are such that you can easily plan around those times when making your touring plans.
blkhks The problem with the BMW, IS the shaft drive. How many related failures ? Sad but true.
Get a Scottoiler! One fill goes 2000mls, no mess and no problems. I’ve never manually cleaned and lubricated a chain in the last 25yrs of biking.
The Tiger is just waaaay more fun to ride. Isn’t that ultimately what motorcyclings about??
Great video Andy. My case is exactly the same of yours. Just sold my 2015 GS and now I’m deciding between an used 2016 GSA or a new 900 Tiger. Your review helped a lot. Thanks!
You could always take the Tiger pillion seat to an upholsterer and get it remade with a softer seat padding, it would work out a lot cheaper than the difference between the price of the GS and the Tiger. I whole heartedly agree on the TFT screen though. That is a big own goal for Triumph! Hopefully they can issue a software update via the dealerships and install a couple of new "GS" style display options. (Come on Triumph!) You never mentioned in this video that the Tiger's buttons were backlit compared to the GS's non-backlit ones. Overall, a very nice comparison video! Keep up the good work!
I have a Street Triple RS but always enjoy watching bike vids. I read one of the other comments mentioning the importance of dealers. When I replaced my last bike (2012 Striple) I did a tour of all the dealers and considered everything. I went to the local BMW dealer. I have been in their before and never felt welcome. Not even a hello, a be with you in a mo. I walked around, looked at the bikes and walked out after about 20 mins. At the time I went in with the serious intention of a s1100rr. Went to my local Triumph dealer and the experience was the complete opposite, friendly, chatty. This means a lot when parting with all that money.
Agreed!
Just took the Tiger out today. Wow what an engine, super fun to ride really enjoyed it. Night and day to the GS which I'm afraid is super beige even with the shift cam update, I would also say that if you are doing any degree of off road the Tiger is going to be far more manageable than the GS.
As someone considering the Tiger after a disasterous ownership of a T120 this video was invaluable. Thanks as always!
Good on Triumph for getting closer and closer, the GS is one hell of a benchmark. Hard to go wrong with either one.
Great review Andy. I have a GT PRO and GS (2017 LC). Fully agree with your findings. Both great bikes and (affordability aside) it boils down to the type of riding. The Tiger is much lighter, cheaper and more exciting to ride than the GS . But, the Beemer is more plush , has more road presence, and has supreme touring ability. Tough call if both are important!
Interesting comparison. They are probably my two favourite current adventure bikes. I have a 2019 R1250GS and I absolutely love it, but I must admit the Tiger 900 ticks a lot of boxes. However, shaft drive is an important consideration as is the lack of front fork dive on the GS.
Fortunately my GS is only a year old so I don't have to think about this conundrum for a while.
Keep up the good work.
Good problem to have!
I tested the Tiger 900 Rally Pro. And Wow that's a great bike. If you're looking for an Adventure bike, i don't think there's a better choice. Today's 900's (888cc) engines are so powerful, you'll rarely encounter a situation where you'll need more. And the lighter bike is easier to move around, use less fuel and handles better. You can always buy a comfort seat.
Enjoyed as always I'm sure you'll get people saying it's not a proper comparison even though you've explained it. Keep up the good work and the variations on ya video's 👍👍
Cheers Stevo - will do!
TMF looks like he’s got really fit, well done. From my experience, it made biking more fun, less back and joint aches.
Thanks and agreed - plus your bikes go faster...
You have the extra wind deflector on the top of the GS screen, if you add one to the Triumph you may find wind protection better. Given the massive price difference between the two, you could add a comfort seat to the Tiger and still come in way under the price of the GS
Well Mr Fly I'm sure you have considered the trade in value for each dealership along with the bargaining power of being an influential blogger. Considering the extra exposure they would benefit from I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't get the top of the range all bells and whistles. I also see no shame in heading down this path as life after all it's getting the best options or opportunities for you while not harming others.
This is my very first comment on UA-cam after years of scrolling, go me ! 🤔
Trust me I have no more bargaining power than anyone else, I've proved that to myself several times! Welcome to the world of commenting - what kept you? ;0)
That's sad too hear Mr Fly . I guess laziness on my part until you gave me the motivation to comment. I certainly enjoy your channel an excellent experience of Britishness (oh 2nd comment could be controversial, I'll be writing a book in no time)
That was a great comparison. However, I do believe you didn’t really address the “grin factor” and only slightly grazed the “bang-for-buck” question. You also ignored another factors. One is maintenance and cleaning. It’s obvious that you have a great deal of pride in owning quality bikes and you are meticulous in your care of them. So the ability to perform many aspects of home maintenance is important to you. Yet I get the impression that BMW thinks otherwise. I’m sure that the Service Managers in a BMW dealerships books themselves another holiday in the Maldives whenever they sell a new bike. Their spares are not cheap and often made from unobtainium. Also the new generation bikes have “non-tamper” access panels and plugs making home maintenance more awkward and expensive than other marques. The other factor that you didn’t address was the balance of your “stable”. Does it need another torquey twin or does it need a slick-shifting howling triple? I think you answered that yourself.
I finally bought a Tiger 900 GT last week. Just did 1000 km in 7 days & so far, i love my new bike. Best regards from Montreal.
They are fabulous aren't they...congratulations.
Each to their own but I found some aspects of the Tiger 900 didn’t suit me in comparison to my T120, which is about as low tech as you can get now and even that’s got more options than were on my Blackbird!
Visually distracting screens and buttons can’t be a good thing, I expect most owners will settle on one set up and never change after the novelty factor wears off.
Exactly... I’ve got a tft on my 765rs . Got it set up to how I like it and haven’t touched it since 😂
@@lesrankin9539 Isn't that the intention though ? Surely they don't expect people to keep changing it just because they can, once you have it set the way you like it, why would you want to change it ?
Good comparison. Thing I always look at is servicing costs. The triumph is a bit more expensive. I have the R12R at the moment and am thinking of changing too. I test rode a 790 duke the other day, cracking bike, amazing quick shifter too, but isn’t didn’t feel as well screwed together as my BM. The F900 BMW is a tall bike and quite heavy, haven’t as yet had a go on the triumph. I did have the old 800, so will be testing one soon.
Fair comments - have just taken delivery of new GT Pro, excellent in every way. Traded an s1000r for it (before that a ZZR1400) BMW too cramped, ZZR too fast. This Tiger ticks all boxes, love it !
Are you saying that the triumph is less cramped than the bmw? Wow
Thank you for posting. Just finished a 2600+ miles on my 2017 GS, from Colorado to Washington and back. With and without pillion, in cold (40'sF) and hot weather (100F+), from sea level, to about 9000 ft. Not one hiccup from the bike. With the automated suspension, it adapted well from being fully loaded to being fully unloaded. I have not ridden the Triumph, so I cannot make a fair comparison, but the engine on the GS felt like it could go forever.
The GS is probably the best all-round bike ever made for most people, however I went for the Super adventure, it just makes you giggle and feel alive way more than any bmw ever could.
I left a GSA for a KTM 1290 SA - loved my GS but the KTM is just such a hoot on every trip!
Well, "Best All-round" is a bit overboard. Quite a bit overboard. Too Big, to Heavy. Not nearly as bad a Harley, but still too big! Lots of better bikes and the Tiger is certainly one of them.
Unless you're short in the leg.
@@jerryandnancywertzbaugher7778 Too big and too heavy is extremely relative and subjective. Most moto journo's would probably pick the GS as overall best do-it-all bike, and they have a lot more experience with bikes than you and me.
Good review, I had an Africa Twin AS and wanted to change so had the same dilemma. Previously had 1100GS 1150 GSA and 1200GS amongst many others. Both GS and Tiger were my final short list and eventually bought the Tiger Rally Pro for the engine, gearbox, handling then the icing on the cake was integrated nav, fog lights, illuminated switches and £6500 saving more or less. So happy 😁
Don’t like turn by turn nav though. I want to see a map because, if using open maps, turns are not always correct and turn instructions can be wrong or confusing. I don’t know where the Triumph mapping is sourced? Interested to hear how well it works for you?
Interesting, I’ve got a Tiger 800 and my buddy has theGS. Neither of us can afford either new and we are both more than happy with our choices. we both spent exactly the same by the way...........
I purchased a Tiger 900 GT Pro 6 weeks ago. All I can tell you is that it's an awesome bike in every way. Only thing I would consider between the two is the engine power. If you are going to carry 2 people and a bunch of luggage, a 1200+ would probably be better. If you are mostly alone then Tiger 900 all the way !
Im keeping my 2014 GS. It’s still the best bike I’ve ever owned and Im not even a BMW fan.
Ditto!
I’m also keeping my 2014 GS, 130,000km now and I’m really not kind to it! But definitely the best bike I’ve ever had
An amazing bike and just had it's 40th anniversary
www.press.bmwgroup.com/global/article/detail/T0311071EN/bmw-motorrad-celebrates-40-years-of-bmw-gs-models-a-concept-that-changed-the-motorcycle-world?language=en#:~:text=A%20motorcycle%20concept%20that%20is,%2Droad%20and%20on%2Droad.
I'm keeping my 2016 GS even though I'm not a BMW dealership fan. The seating position suits my aging anatomy. 🤣
@@TheGravelBadger... I need to catch up! Respect.
For the money saved on the beemer I’d by a Very good quality aftermarket seat for the Triumph, another point I found when I was looking and made a decision was my now lighter bike is less tiring on a long ride.
The bmw shaft drive scores a few extra points over a chain in my book!?
Yes shaft for me is a big bonus.
But what now that you can put the diamond maintenance free chain? (Relative cheap 200quid)
@@Akephalos204 Not available aftermarket yet though
Another fine reveiw, a great way to spend 20 minutes. I own a 2018 gs 1200 and test rode the tiger, both great bikes. However the GS wi ns for me. The ability to change suspension from road to dynamic at a press of a button is fantastic. I use it constantly. On my regular ride route, I have twisty roads interrupted by straight somewhat pothole ridden roads, with a little dab of my finger the bike goes from sporty to comfort and back again. Fabulous! Hence the Beemer gets my vote. Again Andy many thanks for your efforts.
Thanks for watching - always good to know you're out there!
One question would also be: Do you take a passenger more often on long trips or short trips? Still like your reviews after several years, thanks mate !!
Thanks for still watching! Appreciate it Pieter!
Exactly the comparison I was looking for (with these exact X2 bikes , can't believe I found this VLOG !! Thanks very much , very educational and really helps me decide which one to buy.
Glad to help!
I was looking for a video like this, thanks.
I'm making a similar decision just now too. I have a 2018 Tiger 800 and im now trying to pick between the new 900, the GS1250 and the yet to be revealed Tiger 1200 (which I presume will be a 1250 to match the GS). Think I'll be holding off until January when I assume the new Tiger will be revealed.
Will be interesting to see what they do with the big Tiger...
@@TheMissendenFlyer If they lower the wieght in the same idea of splitting the radiator on the new 1200 Tiger they may take more of the market .. I would stil love to see the 900 with a shaft drive ...
Just curious. Any reason you’re flipping a bike as recent as the 2018 Tiger 800? I own one myself and as impressed as I was on test riding the 900 the economics of flipping my 800 this soon didn’t seem worth the gain.
I have plenty of bikes in mi life,even bought a new f850gs last year, like it but not love it,just went back to a 2018 bmw r1200gs rallye, it is a bike that fits me like a glove! Always will be a newest supposedly better bike every year, but being honest with miself, the 1200 is perfect for me!
You have loved every moment of the ownership of the GS, I cannot really ever imagine you without one. The GS wins for me just a nicer looking bike bar far.
Great comparison vid between the Triumph & the GS. I appreciate the passenger comfort view of the bike, most reviews don’t take the passengers view into account. I’ve found it a nightmare trying to find a two up comfortable sports tourer (there’s nothing out there) unless you want an adventure bike, and at 5’ 6’ it ain’t gonna happen. Lowered GSX1250fa to the rescue, just a shame they don’t make them anymore! Please keep up with the passenger opinions 👍
Would you leave the adventure bike market completely and get a R1250RS instead?
Not likely - I prefer the comfort on the taller bike...
Great review as always TMF! I just sold my 2019 GSA 1250(44,000klms) and bought a new 2022 Triumph GT Pro. The GSA was my 2nd BMW having graduated from a 2015 GS1200 to the 2019 GSA 1250 - the 1250 is definitely a better motor with more torque down low and better up top than the 1200, and felt much smoother and more responsive. But the Triumph, at over 50kgs lighter and that quickshifter to "die for" I am super happy with my change. To be honest it took me a little while to get "comfortable" and get used to the Triumph, and at first the Triumph felt a bit like a "toy" compared to the BMW, but now I dont think this. I am 6'2" ( 100Kgs) 69 years old, and cannot complain about the ergonomics and seating/footpeg position at all, it just took a little while to get used to the overall change from the BMW's....I agree with everything you say in the video with the comparison. The BMW is definitely better in the TFT area, and the joystick compared to the wheel on the BMW is definitely not as good, but I now have a good handle on it all, so no real complaints. My only complaint would be I feel the Triumphs heated grips are NOT as good (hot) as the BMW, especially on the hottest setting. I was also concerned going back to a chain, compared to the shaft, but so far, its not an issue, although I can feel a little chain snatch at times, but no doubt that's something in my riding I need to smooth out, but the shaft drive I feel is definitely better. BUT the biggest feature I think, is the Triumph definitely feels and looks to have better quality and at some $11,000 ( Australian ) cheaper than the BMW, the Tiger is a BARGAIN! Thanks for your review TMF it made up my mind to go for the Tiger!!
Quick tip do not put wd40 into switches it will make them worse over time use a dedicated switch cleaner
When you guys are talking about WD-40 or switch cleaner do you spray from the outside or open up the housing?
Im stunned at your summary. Throughout the video you clearly preferred the Triumph with the exception of the TFT and controls but in every other area you swung towards it. The seat for the passenger was a little firm but as you say it was a better bike due to smother gear changes and lighter a slow speeds but then you say if you had the money you would buy a BMW!!!!! That just doesnt make any sense. You clearly preferred the Triumph....use the savings on a touring seat pad for the passenger and pay for all the hotels on your summer holiday.... its a no brainer
As I said bike buying isn’t necessarily logical! This is only my subjective opinion, I marginally prefer the big GS on comfort, there’s no doubt the Tiger 900 is better value....but I’d still have a GS if money wasn’t a factor...
I’d go triumph Andy, looks so much better than the Gs. For me the Gs is the wrong side of ugly, that’s probably going to upset a few people lol
That is fine - can’t argue with your opinion!
Who you calling ugly, huh? 😁
Hello Andy, for me it would be the Triumph Tiger, what a good all round bike! I am not a fan of the GS which is heavy, slow, poor on fuel and cost a lot of money. And just for the record to all you GS fans who think that they handle well, you need to follow a GS on a bike that is light and does handle well to observe what a handful the GS is to ride!
You've already had the GS. I guess most of your riding is solo. You know where this is going, Triumph.....and cheaper to. I guess you could even afford a comfy seat for Mrs. TMF at the price difference?
The key factor for me is the final drive. Chain for the Tiger and shaft for the GS. For touring shaft drive wins hands down. Any other perceived shortfall with the Tiger can be fixed with custom options.
I would have gone for the tiger myself. Don't use WD on your switches its a water displacement spray as it drys it will go tacky Use the graphite spray
Graphite and electrics, I don't think would be a good mix, some sort of non setting silicon spray would be safer, not contact cleaner though, which might affect the plastics.
I thought WD 40 was wrong lube, I would use PTFE spray personally.
Hmm, seems to be a disparity of opinions. What do BMW recommend (if anything)?
Silicon spray or grease is best for electrical use.
Nikos World 👍
Perfectly timed video. I’m not sure why people must see bikes in one “class” compared only to other bikes in the same. The class is Adventure bike, not displacement which tends to get too much focus. Right tool for the job...
I’m currently trying to decide between a Tiger 900, KTM 790 & an R1200 GS.
I don’t like the 1200 Tigers, the KTM190 is too tall and I wouldn’t buy an 850GS - so I’ve tried them all, a well informed decision to follow.
The 1200GS, once moving, feels like a bike half it’s size and is a joy to ride, has great fit and finish. I’ve had a ton of Triumphs, the Tiger 800s feel like a speed triple with ADV parts bolted to it but I love the triples, comfort and what they did with the 900s. The KTM? I don’t like riding a billboard around but the 790 is a nice ride.
Thanks again for the post, timing really could not be better!
Well I must say I'm jolly well surprised old chap. I thought it was going to be a total win for the luftwafa. Hey wot wot . But you gave the Tommy a dam good chance 👌 😏
I had the same decision - new R1250gs, new 1290SAS or Tiger. The Triumph didn’t handle as well for me, KTM on two different test bikes had electronic/sensor issues and the BMW was just awesome ! However here in Australia the BMW was $4000 more than the KTM - ouch ! I have a r1250GS exclusive in the garage.
I was after an adventure bike to head into the outback and after much deliberation I actually went for a Super Tenere ES as reliability, shaft drive and load carrying was paramount. It feels like an old Land Cruiser and it’s definitely a generation behind in the instrumentation department but the lazy smooth motor won out. The more modern bikes feel like they are straying away from being genuine all road adventure machines and more like a two wheeled SUV.
As a 2017 R1200gs owner I test rode a Tiger GT pro yesterday. Pro’s less weight, triple engine. Cons the tft display & rev counter.
Think I will be sticking with the Gs for the time being.
I guess I’m in a minority here, but on my 2014 GSA the transmission is very smooth. I know the electronics adjust the engine speed when I shift sometimes and I’m sure that helps. The 2014 GSA is one of the smoothest transmissions I’ve used compared to Honda, Yamaha and Suzuki.
Took the Tiger 900 for a test drive today around Phuket Island today. Only went to the Triumph dealer to buy a bar end weight for my Bonnie, but got offered a test ride. Wow I might have to buy this bike, it's so nimble in traffic and great on the faster roads.
Good isn’t it!
I'm trying hard to resist to adding another Triumph to the garage as a replacement for my Tracer 900 GT. This video isn't making that easy...
What do you not like about the Tracer GT?
How many other Triumphs do you have ? :-D :-D
@@hamerplayer1229 comfort, could be much better . Footpeg position is way too aggressive (no need for that on a GT) which makes the seat push you forward and rest all the body weight on the thighs. It's very painful after a few hours on the saddle. People usually confuse this effect with a "bad seat".
@@karlosh9286 I have a Street Scrambler
The fact that you’ve had the GS for nearly 10 years and done 30,000 miles and it still looks as good as the day you purchased it, says so much about the way you look after your bikes. Very inspirational.
Thank you very much Luke - I do try and look after my bikes to the best of my ability!
It’s absolutely the comparison I was looking for. shifting it about at low speed is important for me as I’m puny . I have the old Tiger 800 but would like a change. I will have to take both out for a test ride when I get serious. But it would be a second hand Gs1200 V new Tiger. And after watching Ryan at Fortnine vid on shift cam do I want a more complicated bike ? And another thing why don’t they have a low slung Exhaust like a Versys or Tracer as that means you can have two panniers the same size.
1000x this. The BMW S1000XR has such a good exhaust setup; you can get a full-face helmet in each pannier! I'm really hoping that Triumph will finally update the Tiger Sport with such a feature (as well as their new big triple, TFT dash and quickshifter of course!)
Well done Mr & Mrs Flyer, nice to see somebody comparing bikes that he wants rather than like for like! I was a long time viewer of your channel but been away for a while. Good to see that you have got Bennetts on board now, well done. They have contacted me for my touring business, perhaps when you are in the region (Southampton area) we could meet up and have a chat. Keep up the good work, all the best Carl (Solent Motorbike Tours)
When you’ve got that 500 mile day ahead of you and it’s shitty weather, on a gs is the most comfortable place to be .........and it does most other things really well. Most serious testers come to the same conclusion.
Because it does most things so well it gets tagged as bland, it’s not ,but if it doesn’t do it for you there are lots of lesser bikes out there.
Just sayin.
And if you manage to find a reliable GS? Then even better!
Totally agree - my problem is, I rarely do 500 mile days in shitty weather, and if I did regularly what would be left of the BMW with its paint / finish quality these days.
Gray John , never had a problem with any of mine but you’re right you do see folk complaining of problems.
But I think it’s probably got a lot to do with the amount of gs sold , loads and loads.
Don’t quote me but hasn’t it been the top selling big bike for a few years?
@@therevenant8537 just find some American sites in internet with the percentage of bikes that have problems in the first 4 years... BMW don't look great... 40 in 100 have issues... Triumph is the most reliable of the Europeans!
@@grayjohn1906 Fair Point. I bought a 2019 1250GS. 3 different times i had an error message on screen telling me to carefully ride it to a BMW dealer. One of those times I was 800 miles from home. Got it to a dealer and by the time they updated the software it costs me a whole day of my trip. Then I had leaky brake calipers that took3 weeks to get replacements. Loved the bike but issue after issue in the first 5k miles of owning it. Got fed up and traded it.
I purchased a Triumph Tiger Rally Pro a couple of months back. I have rode about 3,000 miles to date. First impressions I thought the seat was hard and the location of the pegs were a little to far back. It seemed the location of the pegs made my ankles a little cramped. After riding with different footwear I realized the cramping had more to do with my footwear than the location of the pegs. With the right footwear I have no problems. I found my Toucan boot are extremely comfortable. After about 1000 miles either I got used to the seat or the seat broke in. I now find the seat very comfortable. My two longest rides were between 6-7 hours each with no problems.
I'm thinking of returning to bikes after 30 or so years away and was considering a new GS. However, your reviews of the Tiger have certainly grabbed my attention and so I'm definitely going to check things out at my local Triumph dealer. Thanks for the great reviews.
A nice practical detailed personal, no nonsense review. Thanks.
My pleasure!
Gotta say I'm pretty excited about the Tiger 900. The 800 was a dream bike of mine and this is pretty great timing for a new one to come out - I've got a restricted license for another 2.5 years, so should be just enough time to find a barely used one when my license matures!
Great review, thank you. I almost always replace the seats on my bikes with aftermarket alternatives, so the slight pillion hardness doesn't bother me too much. Triumph have done a great job with the Tiger. I used to have an original Tiger 800 and it was a fantastic bike so I'm really tempted by the 900. Really good that it can stand comparison with the GS at all, the GS is fantastic. That's a really high bar!
Great review , You are the only one to test the pillion seat. I am going to test drive the tiumph this week,
I've got two very different bikes from both manufacturers, a 2020 BMW S1000RR and a 2020 Triumph Bonneville T100. Thoroughly enjoying both in their own ways and different riding styles depending on what mood I'm in. Love them :)
I do think Triumph have really raised their game in terms of design and quality in the last few years, so good on them I say.
Tough call, both bikes are reasonably comfortable, have adequate luggage space, fuel range, cruise control, heated grips/seat..others have pointed out the quality of dealer service after the sale. As an owner of my current '13 R1200RT the dealer support has been outstanding in California, and Arizona. I live in Washington state now, and the closest dealer is 60 miles away. (I live on the coast).
Mr. and Mrs. Flyer- This was an excellent and very fair comparison of these two machines, and one I myself made between the 1250GS and the previous generation middleweight Tiger before ultimately choosing the BMW. My choice came down to having a fine BMW dealership in my area and also to the extensive BMW touring culture/organization in the U.S. compared to the lack of these things for the Triumph. The improvements to the 900 Tiger probably would have made my choice even tougher!
The Tiger 900 doesn’t seem to have had a bad review anywhere as yet, save for the TFT design. For me, MT09 Tracer is similar displacement and riding position, quality of finish somewhat less, but is the difference big enough to go for the Tiger? I’m thinking keep the Tracer, bikes’ value goes down so much, just start a collection like your good self. Then it makes sense to get a big twin (GS), or the new big Tiger seems worth waiting for, and the Versys 1000SE offers a lot of bike for the money and super smooth engine. Fortunately this decision for me is off until next year, though it’s always hard to know which is the best option.
Tracer and Tiger aren't really in the same segment imo.
Also the Tiger apparently splashes mud and dirt on your back, the rear fender doesn't do its job.
I'm a big Tracer fan but when I rode it and the Tiger to compare I found the Tracer more like a sportsbike with adventure bodywork and somehow less substantial than the Tiger. For a long distance "adventure" bike the Tiger wins by a margin for me, and there is only a small engine performance deficit and, in fact, solidly prefer the Tiger engine.
Another great review Mr TMF. For average Mr Smith on average income, the Tiger with comfort seat(available from Triumph) and aftermarket screen just makes more sense. Personally, I prefer better quickshifter and don't care about having a chain. We ride solo most of the time and the lighter more agile bike seems more fun :)
Spot on, I test rode the Tiger900 yesterday and would get a higher screen and softer seat. The only other thing was significant vibration at motorway speed which was rather off-putting.
As someone commented below, you use the right tool for the job. Horses for courses. So, if you were going around the world and doing a bit of off-road...
The comparatively long travel suspension on the BMW GS would be in another league. That might be important.
Also, the payload capability of the Triumph Tiger, two up, might not leave much for Mrs Flyer's luggage on a long trip!
Love watching your vids as I’m out of work at the moment and have a £300 moped it’s nice to see someone living the dream
I do a reasonably high mileage for work and play so residual prices are important to me, I want to know that in 3 years time at 30-40K I still get a good chunk back towards buying my next bike. For 3 x GS and 1 RT this has not been a problem I got a good chunk back (non PCP) to go towards the next bike and BMW make it very easy to change. With previous non BMW bikes over 30k i have almost had to give them away like a disposable razor.
This year Triumph asked for a deposit to even test ride the new Tiger 900 which put me right off. So lovin the new GS1250 HP absolutely ballistic compared to previous R1200RT and the guys at Wolverhampton BMW are excellent, always a loan bike for services that never cost more than they said it would:)
So more expensive to get into BMW but more cost effective once in.
Roger Parkes agree with that. BMW dealers still the best in the business and that matters over ownership
I’ve test ridden triumphs from 2 different dealers and they couldn’t be more helpful, bent over backwards to lend me bikes and never paid a deposit. Sounds like your dealer rather than Triumph.
Completely agree with your summary. Solo I’d go triumph without question , two up GS every time. Also shaft vs chain makes a difference on a tour. And the GS has so many small details that make a difference on a long trip. Telelever when loaded up, vario cases expand when you’ve bought something and probably the worlds largest list of aftermarket accessories to get your bike just as you want. But I do love the sound of that triple 🤔
Having bought the last of the Triple Black GSA when I could have had 1250, the decision was based on a test ride and as a mere mortal I could not tell the difference the shift cam makes, the LC 1200 is good enough for my needs. Looking into the shift cam tech it seems it is a bit of a gimmick, have ridden a 1250 off road with the BMW school I am still not convinced I need to part with more hard earned to go to a 1250, I will say it seems smoother but not earth shatteringly different. To me it’s small margins for big bucks to change. So for me if I change the Triple Black I would look at the wider market and perhaps move away from BMW Triumph or KTM maybe. I would also seriously consider going smaller as I am not getting any younger and the GSA is a beast so the 800-900cc lighter machines would be a real option. The Triumph is now a nice looking machine and the triple sounds good. Nice choice to be faced with though 😉👍
Always a quandary when looking to change, bike car whatever, my choice fromR1200 GS was another BMW the new R1250 shift cam, yes still has its faults but I love it, comfortable, quick with huge road presence, as they say, you pays your money and the choice is yours, BMW for me.
Really not sure it is a valid back to back comparison but I won;t argue with your view as I have not ridden the Tiger.
I own an R1200GS, Africa Twin, Triumph, Scrambler and a DUcati Scramlber. I love them all, especially the Africa Twin which to me is my most comfortable road tourer. But it is so tall and heavy that I NEVER take it off road and as we speak, have it up for sale to buy a Tiger 900 GT Pro.
In a perfect world, I would sell the GS in favor of an RT and the Africa Twin in favor of the Tiger 900 Rallye Pro. As much as I love my GS, taking it off road is too much concern given the 500 pound weight. The Tiger 900 is so much lighter I may actually take it off road once in a while.
I grew up riding dirt bike and know what real off road riding is like and no 15k to 20k adv bike will ever be ridden like that by me. To expensive, to hard to pick up and at the ripe old age of 50, have some back and arthritis issues where bike weight will really keep me off road on anything other than a dirt bike.
A Tiger 900 GT Pro can go 90% of the places a Rallye Pro can if only 80% as fast due to less suspension travel. But it should be so much more sporty on the road with the 19” front tire that I would likely go that route even though above I mention the Rallye Pro.
I had the luxury of flying my R1200GS via Air Canada to Europe in August through October of 2018 and knowing that I rode that bike through French Alps, Dolomites, Slovenia, Croatia, etc, means I have a dopey sentimental attachment to that bike. I would really hate to part with it even though I know an R1250RT and Tiger 900 would be the best move (assuming I could afford it which I cannot). I loved Europe by the way I blogged at ADV rider as well as my own blog site. I still go back and re-read it to keep the memories alive.
Perhaps we both need two more bikes?
Can never have too many bikes!
Great analysis.
My own datapoint: I'm 56, 6ft 1, 32" inseam, most of riding is 2 up. 》 I have a RT and a GS amongst my bikes..I rarely ride the RT as I find it has poor legroom and sets off my sciatica and hip pain. I also find it less fun than the GS. My passenger says the RT is more comfortable but the GS more involving.
My bikes are a few years old now; if there was one thing I'd really ask, it would be that they were lighter. Sadly things have gone the wrong way on that front.
Just a fantastic compare between these two bikes--loved the presentation method, the way you went back and forth, best I've ever seen. Both of these bikes seem great, so whenever decision day comes, you will make a great choice--the bikes give slightly different riding experiences (although lots of overlap, as well), so either way you go you'll be a winner. Terrific job, and cool that you bring Mrs. Flyer in for her opinion from the passenger's point of view--well done all the way around!! Ride safe and keep up the great work.
Good honest review of two different bikes with seven years difference between them.
A consideration.The support system around the world is far greater with the BMW.Add on's are much more freely available on BMW eg:Crash bars etc.Servicing a BMW etc.BMW(Shaft Drive),Easy to take wheels off BMW,easy to check valve clearances.Having indicated my preference for the BMW,the Triumph is a fantastic bike.Just an extra note.The BMW 1250 will be around for a lot longer than any Triumph 900.It is a close call none the less.Cheers.
Very informative, just had a test drive on a gt pro 900 this morning and is a big step up from a cb500x but the ride was so comfortable and powerful, actually contemplating getting one, also have to admit the gear changes are second to none on the triumph so smooth
Got rid of my GS1200 for something different regretted it missed it so much I had to go back and bought the 1250 GS love it nothing better
Had a Tiger 800 and sold it for a GS1200 a few years ago. My main reason was power as I ride two up and the 800 was under powered when loaded up. If you only ride single then the Tiger is fine.
After watching this yesterday I've just been to my local Triumph dealer in York and just ordered a Tiger 900 GT. Had a test ride and loved it.
Congratulations!
If the only real complaint your wife had was the seat comfort, I'm sure you could get a company to re-cover the pillion with more comfortable materials, but keep the seat heater. Might be a little costly, but really how many bikes are 100% perfect from the factory. A bigger/better windscreen would probably solve your other issue with it.
As far as the joystick for the TFT...I feel like muscle memory would help you remember exactly where the joystick is versus the indicators, over time. And you have to ask yourself just how often are you really changing screens during the ride anyway. Just my two cents of course.
I test rode both the Tiger 900 and the new Rocket 3, I never had the issue of unintentionally hiting the joystick while using the indicators.
I've changed from a GS to the new Tiger 900 and my wife complained about the pillion seat comfort. She found that not only is the seat really hard but that the seat sits below the grab rails and cut into her legs. I did get the rear seat not only re-covered but the brilliant seat maker also made the original seat wider and higher, so that it now sits above the grab rails. He also used memory foam as the top layer. The wife loves it now. I must say you would be hard pushed to tell that it's not an original rear seat
Always love your vids. Mostly watch them on the telly so don't comment. On my Mac tonight so I can! I bought a 30th anniversary 1200gs a year ago. I love it, its like a Landrover on two wheels. I used to own a F800gs when they first came out - that I didn't like; lots of promises but the engine was boring and the seat purgatory. I know my 1200 is old but it more than lives up to the job! For classic thrills, I use my 750ss or 350lc... Keep up the good work. 👍🏼