@@n0nyabznss I would consider using either the JC-120 or the "Natural" clean which is a blend of a Blackface and JC-120. And don't forget to add compression.
Rush - Time Stands Still!!! Whenever this conversation comes up Rush is always overlooked. I would argue that as a band, Rush, perhaps more then anyone else during this period, utilized this tonal approach in the most musical and progressive way possible. Required album listening: Power Windows, Grace Under Pressure and of course, Hold Your Fire.
I achieved Alex's time stand still's tone (or at least my idea of it lol) using a JC120 with a dyna comp, boss ac2 piezo mode, boss ps6 detune node (stereo out)into boss ce3 (stereo) into strymon DIG adm mode with light mod into boss Tera echo into Boss RV6 plate mode. Pretty darn close. I used a Fender Am Std Strat with fat 50's pickups.
Talking with Jamie once he mentioned that Rupert Hine, the Fixx’s brilliant producer, was the guy that really took his tone over the top. Then again, Jamie is an incredibly humble and gifted man so who knows.
Live, you can use a 10 band eq into a clean guitar amp and boost 2k, 4k, 8k and dip the mids. The Katana can also get you there by employing the flat acoustic model.
You had me at Nile Rodgers and Prince.. do more. Talk about gated drums and how 80's groups used reverb. Anyway came across you randomly.. I hope you grow
Wow! I'm in a TGP thread? I guess I'm a real UA-camr now haha! I didn't use any tri chorus on these specifically but I plan on including it in a new video soon. Thank you for watching!
Great video! The compressor pre and post is something I’ve not seen other people do and it was the secret ingredient I have been missing! Thanks! Looking forward to more videos
Ever since I heard a real LA2A on guitars (after recording, so post-cab) in a studio I wanted that sauce all the time. It's not about being outrageous with it but getting a little extra squish & pop. So I try to suggest people replicate that (to at least see if they like it not) however they can, whether it's plugins, in a modeler, the real gear in a rack if you're so lucky, or just getting creative with how you compress on your pedalboard :) Thanks dude
Congratulations, hands down the best video on UA-cam and the whole internet about this topic ! Enjoyed all the tones you got, but the one you get in Flesh For Fantasy is absolutely perfect, all the ingredients are there and it sounds glorious, I like it even more than the original, Stevens would be proud. You have a subscriber ( and a lot of my 80s-obsessed-freaks friends I sent this to ) . Can't wait to see more from you. My hat off, sir !!!
Thank you! I have taken a break from videos to focus on writing & practicing, but I have more planned for this year, including a remake of this video with even better info & also utilizing analog gear. I think now I could present the information more accurately & concisely - so I have some good stuff coming your way 2024 :)
I dig your taste in 'Guitar Tonal Palette' Brotha! That sound WAS "ALL OVER THE PLACE" in the 80s. Your rendition of Steve Stevens' work on Idol's "Flesh For Fantasy" was REALLY good! The 'Strat-Nasal' tone, also called 'Strat'-Quack is important in recreating a LOT of those 80s 'clean' tones. Excellent example is Robert Plant's 'Big Log', Jamie West Oram's guitar work on The FIXX's 'Red Skies', 'Saved By Zero', and 'One Thing Leads To Another'. Ty Tabor of KING'S X really took the 'Strat'-Bridge/Middle' tone to new heights, by overdriving a Lab Series amp with a Fender Strat Elite (his was a red one), but he used clean tones with it as well. The Strat was and is a workhorse, but the Tele was used for clean tones as well as rock tones back then also. Billy Squier used one, on 'Don't Say No'. Anyway, great video. And you're definitely 'digging' in the right place for 'guitar tone'-pioneering possibilities, IMHO. And I grew up in that era. And I STILL play, on a MIM Charvel Pro Mod San Dimas HH/FR Black Purple Burst Quilt Top Strat, through two Peavey 1st Gen. VYPYR amps (30 W/ 12", and 75 W/ 12" respectively), and use an MXR M234 Analog Chorus (buffered), an MXR 117 Flanger (for limited 'Jet Plane'-swooshes of colouring), and all that with the amp's reverb and a touch of slap-back echo. It gets me in the neighborhood of those 80s 'clean' tones with the 'Fender Twin' -amp model (Mesa Boogie Rectifier & Peavey 6505 amp models for high gain tones). Building for a Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier or another EVH 5150 III 6L6 50W mini-setup, in the near future.
I feel that chorus used in series rather than parallel integrates more naturally with the guitar tone and sounds thicker. Reverb is always used in parallel.
I agree, I usually do that in real rigs, have a chorus last before I split out into kill-dry effects. It all depends on the sound you're going for. It can definitely be cool to have the core guitar signal (that is being fed to everything else) chorused, especially when going into a second chorus or pitch effects.
Thank you! It is a custom finish I requested. I am so lucky they decided to do it for me. It is called Vice Vomit. I have even seen some other people order it since! :)
@@kylekarich Yes Kyle. I'm certainly old enough to have lived through the era. There was probably more variety in guitar tones back then, than any time since. Something for everyone.
I am all about the schmo. For my setup the Keeley 30ms brings the 80s studio pixie dust. Love your Tyler and those Anderson’s. You are fully committed.
Schmo is love. Schmo is life... I see another worthy member enter our small community of overly processed guitar tone enjoyers. Welcome. You seem to fit right in. (Also, I want that Tyler, now. That finish is AWESOME!)
Subscribed. I'm scratching my head as to why your channel doesn't have more subscribers, but I hope you get many more as you got a good thing going here.
Thank you so much for this video - I've been wanting to know how to get that clean 80's tone for years! I noticed the Nembrini ADA MP1 actually has a Clean Chorus preset which gets you halfway there immediately, but your additional tips really add that secret sauce. The only comment I would make, as rockin' as your backing music is, it sometimes overpowers your voiceover (or maybe it's just my old ears) 😁keep up the good work!
Clean amp, Chorus, Compression, Delay, Reverb, and preferably a strat styled guitar. One doesn't need all of this but it definitely adds more layers to the 80s sound.
It's mind blowing how good this plugin is. I have just about every Amp Sim, and have had a real one of these for a bit. The MP1 sounds and feels like the real one, and once I dialed in the Nuno settings, I couldn't out the guitar down for 5 hours. Highly recommend anyone, especially 80s fans to purchase this. One warning, just like the real deal, you will know just how good your pickups are after playing through it. :)
I had an actual MP1 and I was playing a cheapie BC Rich NJ strat and it was ... kinda meh. I upgraded to a USA made Fender HM strat , plugged THAT in and HUUUUUGE difference ! You definitely ain't lyin' about the pickups affecting the way that thing worked !
@@torgo4ever Its the EQ curve on it, and just the overall fact that its a super noisy unit. Without proper shielding, good cables, and clean power, I would say the real MP1, including this plugin is unusable lol. But yea, with the right rig, its incredible. I will say there are some legit MP1 profiles out there for NAM now using some of the aforementioned settings, and man they do have a slight edge on this thing, but when I am going for raw 1990 hair metal sound, this is now my goto plugin.
I did just see that they released the Mesa Boogie TriAxis now, which was the early 90s answer to the MP-1 (killer), and can get tones like the three tube modded MP-1s can get. Looks like I might be buying another plugin!
Great video. I also dig that Tyler you got there. I’ve been obsessed with this guitar sound for half a decade now. Of course me being obsessed with 80s pop has to do with it as well. But also some of the studio players like Lukather/Landau/Huff etc are the guys that made me fall in love with this tone in the first place. I always thought to myself if I ever get a guitar in the future this is one of the tones that I’m going to be chasing after. But anyways, Keep up the good work.
Great vid! You should send this link to R.J. Ronquillio here on YT. He's a huge fan of that DI 80s tone and has done several vids on the elusive hunt for it himself. Cheers!
R.J. is a nice guy! I work for Revv & he has been kind enough to review a lot of our gear. I don't really "know" him I've said hi once or twice at NAMM, but it'd be cool to maybe try to do an '80s themed video with him someday if my channel ever gets to a real size & I have something to offer.
Man that Tyler is the coolest.. My 80s cleans are my Warmoth strat with a piezo bridge going stereo into a Roland JC 120 with the piezo getting the dry side and the magnetic pups getting the chorus side, but mainly for recording I've been going direct using a 90s fender rockman style bass amp with boss effects , I think the main "80s" thing is some amount of chorus in the mix.
Great vid and tones. The bit of unexpected Jet City Woman in there was a happy surprise, as I always felt Queensryche had a real distinctive clean sound, which is usually not what people think about most in their music.
Great stuff man! Another magic pickup combo - especially on Tyler, Tom Anderson, and other super-strat type guitars with more switching options is ALL 3 pickups on.
Amazing, love this tone. Great for sounding massive when you are outlining chords, always a place for this tone in my library. Thank you for the tutorials.
there's a misconception, a conflict, between what is accepted as a 'good' tone and what is a tone that 'fits' in a mix, song, etc. isolated tracks have let us peek behind the curtains at what is REALLY heard and not what we imagined we heard. out-of-phase tones baffle certain players as to who would use them? even split-coil humbucker tones that are disappointing at first listen are very useable. context is everything
The algor got me here!! Hey, just realized the line 6 pod has the a preamp setting sounds like the ADA and rockman when you add chorus. ( i also plug my guitar straight into boss chorus and OD3 straight into mixer) Cheers and thank you!!
I had no idea all this time that this jangly sound was direct to board. Although I've heard that you could achieve that sound with a Roland jazz course amp which is all solid state. There's a lot of different ingredients that make up the sound though. Noticing that you're playing a Tyler the selection of series versus parallel wiring has a play in that as well. What position were your toggle switches on for this sound?
Yep a lot of the most famous examples are either direct to board, or a guitar amp without a cabinet (line out) - but of course you can do it with a normal setup & some EQ! The Jazz Chorus is a kickass option used by a lot of bands. Operation Mindcrime uses an Ovation through a Marshall lol. So your mileage may vary. Any time you hear me play an example in the video (besides when I'm demonstrating the switches on/off) all pickups are set to parallel. One thing I've noticed is that a lot of the classic Schmo tones are either bridge pickup in parallel (by itself, just bridge), or a notch position (2 or 4 on selector) with ONLY the middle pickup set to parallel, & the outer pickup left in series. Something to think about - there's no right or wrong though.
Kyle, I know enough about plug-ins to be dangerous! Would like to see exactly how you set it up-do a deep dive into it, I think it would be cool to a lot of people that don’t know enough about the technique or are just getting into recording using daw and plug-ins. Subscribed and liked👍🏻
JHS Colour Box is unbeatable as an analog pedal solution for this kind of clean sound. It’s basically a Neve studio pre in a pedal, and you can do clean or kick the heat up on it and get that blown out ‘Revolution’ distortion. Seriously wonderful pedal, use it on anything; keyboards, drums. It sounds awesome.
Thank you for the video, you've got some beautiful tones going on! I don't use these sounds myself but I do love them. Until now I didn't know how they came to be but I always suspected a combination of amp and direct sound because of the high end. Turns out I wasn't that wrong ;)
80's clean is EASY,, JC Roland Chorus amps, I took out the Chorus model in 1986 to use with all of my marshals. Roland JC amps has the BEST Chorus hands down. Rockman and Roland JC amps.
Awesome video! I don't really play this style, but I listened to this growing up. I think I want to incorporate some of this 80s sound into my band though.
My favorite sound is robert plant's now and Zen from 1988 i think? Wide open depthfull compressors that feed the eventide air on the way in and the back door then pops out the most lush wide harmonicly rich tone you can get. And you're right about the monitors. You can use any frfr but remember that there's no point in mono with this sound. The micro pitch needs a stereo field to build a waterfall of phase modulation. The magic is in the individual predilays that give presence to the sound. Like tristerio chorus but no linier modulation. Great stuff and this sound is so worth it to try! In the late 80's it was Verry expensive! Now it's almost free. Winning!!!
Very good video, mate. Keep going! If possible, put some effort in having “good enough” video. Though I can’t say I really care, it’ll make more people stick around. Cheers, from Brazil
Love these videos Kyle! As I no longer have much actual gear and record mainly into my DAW these days would it be possible to get a video from you showing how to get this sound in a DAW? Mainly the compression settings and tweaks to really make it pop. I have got close a few times but not quite as good as this! Thanks in advance 🙏🏻
Sure thing. I have some more videos planned in the future. This video was done entirely with plugins but I have since built an analog rack & want to use that too going forward. I would say whatever DBX (VCA) plugin you have will get you in the ballpark. I compress pretty heavily after the amp for this sound, 10dB of reduction is not out of the ordinary.
Really enjoyed this. Would love to watch how you would edit a Helix patch from scratch to achieve your Flesh For Fantasy tone. Cheers, #mrchristopherTv
Question - what is the commonplace way to deal with guitar mids for these kinds of sounds? We’re they usually scooped out or pushed forward? Doing some recording and I’m never sure what to do with my mid range..what’s your EQ usually look like?
It depends on the part. Most people are inclined to scoop clean mids but you need to leave some of that nasally upper mid in. I would say the more upfront it is, especially if it's dry - like a funky Nile Rodgers or Prince thing, you want to have some more mids. The more "out of the way" you want it to be, you can make it a little scoopier - like if they're doing more of a pad thing behind other guitars.
@@kylekarich thanks for the quick reply! That’s very helpful, I was kinda thinkin along those lines..I tend to keep my parts super dry comin from the funk world so these 80s guitar parts are really tricky for me.. if you get a chance check out some of the Michael Jackson isolated tracks on UA-cam, there’s some fantastic guitar work and to be able to hear it all isolated is mind blowing how they mixed some of this stuff
100% yes.
Michaelllll thanks for watching man :)
A blessing from the lord!
@@kylekarich Result! Have a subscription, man :-) Please do the Boston Rockman tone next.
What preamp model could be used on a Boss GT-Pro to get that tone?
@@n0nyabznss I would consider using either the JC-120 or the "Natural" clean which is a blend of a Blackface and JC-120. And don't forget to add compression.
After watching this video I became so clean I havent taken a shower since the 80s.
80s were the best of times..
Rush - Time Stands Still!!! Whenever this conversation comes up Rush is always overlooked. I would argue that as a band, Rush, perhaps more then anyone else during this period, utilized this tonal approach in the most musical and progressive way possible. Required album listening: Power Windows, Grace Under Pressure and of course, Hold Your Fire.
Rush, despite being huge, are still underrated in many ways IMO. Their '80s material is some of my favorite actually.
I achieved Alex's time stand still's tone (or at least my idea of it lol) using a JC120 with a dyna comp, boss ac2 piezo mode, boss ps6 detune node (stereo out)into boss ce3 (stereo) into strymon DIG adm mode with light mod into boss Tera echo into Boss RV6 plate mode. Pretty darn close. I used a Fender Am Std Strat with fat 50's pickups.
Grace Under Pressure is right up there with Moving Pictures in my opinion. Hugely underrated album.
I came to the comments for this! I built a patch that I named "Lerxst" on my old Digitech RP1 that gave me this... at least I thought so at the time!
Agreed 👍
Dann Huff revealed his clean sound as being a Tri stereo Chorus and a Dimension D being used at the same time.
That flesh for fantasy clip at the beginning is perfect for this because its exactly the song i think of whenever people mention 80s clean tones
The best!! haha
.."Enjoy the Crime You do the Time...Never been Nothing before"...
Jamie West-Oram of The Fixx. The very epitome of 80s “clean.” Awesome clean tones, and they’re still making great music today.
Yes! So true. One of my absolute favorites!
Talking with Jamie once he mentioned that Rupert Hine, the Fixx’s brilliant producer, was the guy that really took his tone over the top. Then again, Jamie is an incredibly humble and gifted man so who knows.
@@daboosreviews8819 wait ... the guy who did the " Better off Dead " soundtrack ... did the Fixx's tone ? ... git the f... oh damn ... yup
100!
Dude I've been chasing this tone for years, thank you so much!
Enjoy man!
200 likes, wow! Thank you for watching everyone.🥰
8000 as of 3/5
Congratulations. Not only did you sound exactly like the Eighties, you looked just like them, too. I know, I was there and I remember.
Haha!
Bro why have I been crazing these tones?!? They're addictive to play.
Once you turn on the microshift you're addicted for life!
some nice clean/chorus on "Principle of moments" too
This is a great video!
(That Tyler finish is beautiful)
Thanks dude, I appreciate that! I'm very grateful to have this guitar, it always makes me want to play. Someday I will do a dedicated video about it.
@@kylekarich I would love to see that
Great Video! Chorus was such a huge component of the 80s clean sound
Clicked for the guitar, stayed for the good clean tips. Actually really needed this rn
I'm glad you enjoyed!!!
this video changed my life
Live, you can use a 10 band eq into a clean guitar amp and boost 2k, 4k, 8k and dip the mids. The Katana can also get you there by employing the flat acoustic model.
Truly awesome man!! That clean tone actually bring tears to my eyes
Thanks so much I really appreciate that!
You had me at Nile Rodgers and Prince.. do more. Talk about gated drums and how 80's groups used reverb. Anyway came across you randomly.. I hope you grow
Thank you Chris!
DUDE!!! So well executed!!!
Thank you!
Great video - and such an AMAZING tone! (*sigh* The 80s were SO awesome.)
I came here from a link on a TGP thread on ‘80s Tri Stereo Chorus. Did not disappoint!
Wow! I'm in a TGP thread? I guess I'm a real UA-camr now haha! I didn't use any tri chorus on these specifically but I plan on including it in a new video soon. Thank you for watching!
Great video! The compressor pre and post is something I’ve not seen other people do and it was the secret ingredient I have been missing! Thanks! Looking forward to more videos
Ever since I heard a real LA2A on guitars (after recording, so post-cab) in a studio I wanted that sauce all the time. It's not about being outrageous with it but getting a little extra squish & pop. So I try to suggest people replicate that (to at least see if they like it not) however they can, whether it's plugins, in a modeler, the real gear in a rack if you're so lucky, or just getting creative with how you compress on your pedalboard :) Thanks dude
Congratulations, hands down the best video on UA-cam and the whole internet about this topic !
Enjoyed all the tones you got, but the one you get in Flesh For Fantasy is absolutely perfect, all the ingredients are there and it sounds glorious, I like it even more than the original, Stevens would be proud.
You have a subscriber ( and a lot of my 80s-obsessed-freaks friends I sent this to ) . Can't wait to see more from you. My hat off, sir !!!
Thank you! I have taken a break from videos to focus on writing & practicing, but I have more planned for this year, including a remake of this video with even better info & also utilizing analog gear. I think now I could present the information more accurately & concisely - so I have some good stuff coming your way 2024 :)
Hi Kyle, Just found this and I love it. Great video man thanks great info passed on with no ego and no bull..... Awesome, I subscribed
I really appreciate that, glad you enjoyed!
Dude... it’s perfect. I love the way that guitar looks so much, and from what I can tell, everyone loves those things
I dig your taste in 'Guitar Tonal Palette' Brotha! That sound WAS "ALL OVER THE PLACE" in the 80s. Your rendition of Steve Stevens' work on Idol's "Flesh For Fantasy" was REALLY good! The 'Strat-Nasal' tone, also called 'Strat'-Quack is important in recreating a LOT of those 80s 'clean' tones. Excellent example is Robert Plant's 'Big Log', Jamie West Oram's guitar work on The FIXX's 'Red Skies', 'Saved By Zero', and 'One Thing Leads To Another'. Ty Tabor of KING'S X really took the 'Strat'-Bridge/Middle' tone to new heights, by overdriving a Lab Series amp with a Fender Strat Elite (his was a red one), but he used clean tones with it as well. The Strat was and is a workhorse, but the Tele was used for clean tones as well as rock tones back then also. Billy Squier used one, on 'Don't Say No'. Anyway, great video. And you're definitely 'digging' in the right place for 'guitar tone'-pioneering possibilities, IMHO. And I grew up in that era. And I STILL play, on a MIM Charvel Pro Mod San Dimas HH/FR Black Purple Burst Quilt Top Strat, through two Peavey 1st Gen. VYPYR amps (30 W/ 12", and 75 W/ 12" respectively), and use an MXR M234 Analog Chorus (buffered), an MXR 117 Flanger (for limited 'Jet Plane'-swooshes of colouring), and all that with the amp's reverb and a touch of slap-back echo. It gets me in the neighborhood of those 80s 'clean' tones with the 'Fender Twin' -amp model (Mesa Boogie Rectifier & Peavey 6505 amp models for high gain tones). Building for a Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier or another EVH 5150 III 6L6 50W mini-setup, in the near future.
Those cleans sound awesome !!!!!
Thank you so much for doing this, you have no idea how valuable this is for me!
Really glad it helped out!
Trying different things is always fun. Nice tone dude
Thx for throwing it back, many has forgotten and are hooked too much of the plugins. ...Like the jammin of Flesh 4....
I feel that chorus used in series rather than parallel integrates more naturally with the guitar tone and sounds thicker. Reverb is always used in parallel.
I agree, I usually do that in real rigs, have a chorus last before I split out into kill-dry effects. It all depends on the sound you're going for. It can definitely be cool to have the core guitar signal (that is being fed to everything else) chorused, especially when going into a second chorus or pitch effects.
I've been wondering how to get those gnarly synth era rush tones... this is awesome!
Hope this helps!
I’m digging this so hard! Outstanding job, Kyle.
Thank you dude!
That Tyler is freakin Awesome dude , that is such a special guitar man
Thank you! It is a custom finish I requested. I am so lucky they decided to do it for me. It is called Vice Vomit. I have even seen some other people order it since! :)
Thanks Dude. Not into the "studio scene", but this tone is iconic for the times (if you're old enough to remember them).
Thanks for watching! Definitely not for everyone, but fun tones are fun tones, everything has its place somewhere haha.
@@kylekarich Yes Kyle. I'm certainly old enough to have lived through the era. There was probably more variety in guitar tones back then, than any time since. Something for everyone.
I am all about the schmo. For my setup the Keeley 30ms brings the 80s studio pixie dust. Love your Tyler and those Anderson’s. You are fully committed.
Schmo is love. Schmo is life...
I see another worthy member enter our small community of overly processed guitar tone enjoyers. Welcome. You seem to fit right in.
(Also, I want that Tyler, now. That finish is AWESOME!)
Once you turn on the schmo you can't turn it off!
Subscribed. I'm scratching my head as to why your channel doesn't have more subscribers, but I hope you get many more as you got a good thing going here.
I appreciate that. I just started a couple weeks ago for fun. Maybe it will go somewhere!
Great video! Nice explanation and great sounding examples. 🎸😀🙏
Thanks dude!
Dude I had the biggest grin when you started playing "Girls". I love the way Adam Hann uses these kinda tones. Great vid man.
They're an absolute top-level band.
Thank you so much for this video - I've been wanting to know how to get that clean 80's tone for years! I noticed the Nembrini ADA MP1 actually has a Clean Chorus preset which gets you halfway there immediately, but your additional tips really add that secret sauce. The only comment I would make, as rockin' as your backing music is, it sometimes overpowers your voiceover (or maybe it's just my old ears) 😁keep up the good work!
Enjoy your tone hunting!
Clean amp, Chorus, Compression, Delay, Reverb, and preferably a strat styled guitar.
One doesn't need all of this but it definitely adds more layers to the 80s sound.
It's mind blowing how good this plugin is. I have just about every Amp Sim, and have had a real one of these for a bit. The MP1 sounds and feels like the real one, and once I dialed in the Nuno settings, I couldn't out the guitar down for 5 hours. Highly recommend anyone, especially 80s fans to purchase this. One warning, just like the real deal, you will know just how good your pickups are after playing through it. :)
I had an actual MP1 and I was playing a cheapie BC Rich NJ strat and it was ... kinda meh. I upgraded to a USA made Fender HM strat , plugged THAT in and HUUUUUGE difference ! You definitely ain't lyin' about the pickups affecting the way that thing worked !
@@torgo4ever Its the EQ curve on it, and just the overall fact that its a super noisy unit. Without proper shielding, good cables, and clean power, I would say the real MP1, including this plugin is unusable lol. But yea, with the right rig, its incredible. I will say there are some legit MP1 profiles out there for NAM now using some of the aforementioned settings, and man they do have a slight edge on this thing, but when I am going for raw 1990 hair metal sound, this is now my goto plugin.
I did just see that they released the Mesa Boogie TriAxis now, which was the early 90s answer to the MP-1 (killer), and can get tones like the three tube modded MP-1s can get. Looks like I might be buying another plugin!
Great video. I also dig that Tyler you got there. I’ve been obsessed with this guitar sound for half a decade now. Of course me being obsessed with 80s pop has to do with it as well. But also some of the studio players like Lukather/Landau/Huff etc are the guys that made me fall in love with this tone in the first place. I always thought to myself if I ever get a guitar in the future this is one of the tones that I’m going to be chasing after. But anyways, Keep up the good work.
Thank you! Much appreciated.
Great vid! You should send this link to R.J. Ronquillio here on YT. He's a huge fan of that DI 80s tone and has done several vids on the elusive hunt for it himself. Cheers!
R.J. is a nice guy! I work for Revv & he has been kind enough to review a lot of our gear. I don't really "know" him I've said hi once or twice at NAMM, but it'd be cool to maybe try to do an '80s themed video with him someday if my channel ever gets to a real size & I have something to offer.
@@kylekarich He has went and got a James Tyler too and posted a vid about it a few months ago, I think. Cheers!
That Tyler is fantastic! Nailed Time Stand Still.
Thank you! It is a joy to play!
That Steve Stevens intro lick, Billy Idol,
... auto sub!
Thank you Carlos!
Same here!
That was great. I'm an 80's musician so this hit home.
Wow, glad you liked it!
Jet city woman! Thank you!!!
Man that Tyler is the coolest..
My 80s cleans are my Warmoth strat with a piezo bridge going stereo into a Roland JC 120 with the piezo getting the dry side and the magnetic pups getting the chorus side, but mainly for recording I've been going direct using a 90s fender rockman style bass amp with boss effects , I think the main "80s" thing is some amount of chorus in the mix.
Jazz Chorus rules!!
Amplitube 5 with the Fulltone Pack...OCD plus Tri Chorus...KILLER!
Super helpful. I love these tones! Thanks, man!
You're welcome!
He didn't mention the one and only Lukather...
Great vid and tones. The bit of unexpected Jet City Woman in there was a happy surprise, as I always felt Queensryche had a real distinctive clean sound, which is usually not what people think about most in their music.
Yeah they always had a lot of unique clean rig setups too throughout the years! Good variety.
Kyle you are a wealth of amazing information! I love these videos.
dude, so cool and in depth explanation! Loved this!
Thank you for watching dude!
Liked, commented, subscribed, watched the whole video
Dude that is flat out the sickest clean 80s tone ever!!!
Thank you!!
bro...just found your channel today but I gotta' subscribe...multiple Rush songs!!! gotta' love it!
I appreciate that thank you for checking it out!
Great stuff man! Another magic pickup combo - especially on Tyler, Tom Anderson, and other super-strat type guitars with more switching options is ALL 3 pickups on.
Yeah absolutely! One of my Tom Andersons (90 / S / 90 Raven) can do all 3 (even has series/parallel switches too haha) & is great for this sound.
Wicked tones man!
Thank you dude! :)
you nailed the tones! Great video
Thank you I appreciate that!
Thank-you Kyle! Your JT is rad!!
Thanks so much! I'm so happy to have it.
Great video. Love those 80s clean tones. I use Th-U with the Rockguy (rockman simulator) and it does them pretty well
Thanks Jonny! I've been thinking about grabbing one of the Rockman plugins out there. Guess that's the first one to try.
Amazing, love this tone. Great for sounding massive when you are outlining chords, always a place for this tone in my library. Thank you for the tutorials.
Thanks for watching!
Sup Kyle. You rock bro: thank you for this tone video
I appreciate that!
Agreed! ☝️ Everything about this.. 100% Yes. 😆
Seem cool. Gotta new sub.
Thank you!
Fantastic!
Dropping gems, thanks bro 🙌🙌
Thank you for watching!
there's a misconception, a conflict, between what is accepted as a 'good' tone and what is a tone that 'fits' in a mix, song, etc. isolated tracks have let us peek behind the curtains at what is REALLY heard and not what we imagined we heard. out-of-phase tones baffle certain players as to who would use them? even split-coil humbucker tones that are disappointing at first listen are very useable. context is everything
Excellent point made here.
Awesome job!
Thanks bro!
Very interesting! I'm gonna have to try that out! Cheers!
Thanks for watching!
Thanks. Some great advice.
Yeah dude. This channel is pretty cool.👍
The algor got me here!! Hey, just realized the line 6 pod has the a preamp setting sounds like the ADA and rockman when you add chorus. ( i also plug my guitar straight into boss chorus and OD3 straight into mixer) Cheers and thank you!!
That's great! I have an old rack Pod Pro lmao I should plug it in, it's been a while.
Parallel mixing is a big part of it.
Love to hear the details behind your HSH tones with all those push-button options and all the extra tone goodies.
I had no idea all this time that this jangly sound was direct to board. Although I've heard that you could achieve that sound with a Roland jazz course amp which is all solid state. There's a lot of different ingredients that make up the sound though. Noticing that you're playing a Tyler the selection of series versus parallel wiring has a play in that as well. What position were your toggle switches on for this sound?
Yep a lot of the most famous examples are either direct to board, or a guitar amp without a cabinet (line out) - but of course you can do it with a normal setup & some EQ! The Jazz Chorus is a kickass option used by a lot of bands. Operation Mindcrime uses an Ovation through a Marshall lol. So your mileage may vary.
Any time you hear me play an example in the video (besides when I'm demonstrating the switches on/off) all pickups are set to parallel. One thing I've noticed is that a lot of the classic Schmo tones are either bridge pickup in parallel (by itself, just bridge), or a notch position (2 or 4 on selector) with ONLY the middle pickup set to parallel, & the outer pickup left in series. Something to think about - there's no right or wrong though.
Kyle, I know enough about plug-ins to be dangerous! Would like to see exactly how you set it up-do a deep dive into it, I think it would be cool to a lot of people that don’t know enough about the technique or are just getting into recording using daw and plug-ins. Subscribed and liked👍🏻
This video is exactly 15 minutes. Nice.
Extremely satisfying.
JHS Colour Box is unbeatable as an analog pedal solution for this kind of clean sound. It’s basically a Neve studio pre in a pedal, and you can do clean or kick the heat up on it and get that blown out ‘Revolution’ distortion. Seriously wonderful pedal, use it on anything; keyboards, drums. It sounds awesome.
Thank you for the video, you've got some beautiful tones going on! I don't use these sounds myself but I do love them. Until now I didn't know how they came to be but I always suspected a combination of amp and direct sound because of the high end. Turns out I wasn't that wrong ;)
So many different ways to do it of course!
80's clean is EASY,, JC Roland Chorus amps, I took out the Chorus model in 1986 to use with all of my marshals. Roland JC amps has the BEST Chorus hands down.
Rockman and Roland JC amps.
Awesome video! I don't really play this style, but I listened to this growing up. I think I want to incorporate some of this 80s sound into my band though.
Thanks Joe! Yeah it can be fun to splash in here and there.
My favorite sound is robert plant's now and Zen from 1988 i think? Wide open depthfull compressors that feed the eventide air on the way in and the back door then pops out the most lush wide harmonicly rich tone you can get. And you're right about the monitors. You can use any frfr but remember that there's no point in mono with this sound. The micro pitch needs a stereo field to build a waterfall of phase modulation. The magic is in the individual predilays that give presence to the sound. Like tristerio chorus but no linier modulation. Great stuff and this sound is so worth it to try! In the late 80's it was Verry expensive! Now it's almost free. Winning!!!
Thinking about it, I think Crowded House also used the clean formula. Don't dream its over is a prime example
2:15 distant early warning?
Kind of - noodling around on it, not playing it right! haha
@@kylekarich hey, i recognized it, that''s gotta mean something...lol
Very good video, mate. Keep going! If possible, put some effort in having “good enough” video. Though I can’t say I really care, it’ll make more people stick around. Cheers, from Brazil
ah, le endless debate.. compressor, before or after. put on both! good luck mate. keep doing this.
Thanks so much!
Love these videos Kyle! As I no longer have much actual gear and record mainly into my DAW these days would it be possible to get a video from you showing how to get this sound in a DAW? Mainly the compression settings and tweaks to really make it pop. I have got close a few times but not quite as good as this! Thanks in advance 🙏🏻
Sure thing. I have some more videos planned in the future. This video was done entirely with plugins but I have since built an analog rack & want to use that too going forward. I would say whatever DBX (VCA) plugin you have will get you in the ballpark. I compress pretty heavily after the amp for this sound, 10dB of reduction is not out of the ordinary.
Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Really enjoyed this.
Would love to watch how you would edit a Helix patch from scratch to achieve your Flesh For Fantasy tone.
Cheers,
#mrchristopherTv
Question - what is the commonplace way to deal with guitar mids for these kinds of sounds? We’re they usually scooped out or pushed forward? Doing some recording and I’m never sure what to do with my mid range..what’s your EQ usually look like?
It depends on the part. Most people are inclined to scoop clean mids but you need to leave some of that nasally upper mid in. I would say the more upfront it is, especially if it's dry - like a funky Nile Rodgers or Prince thing, you want to have some more mids. The more "out of the way" you want it to be, you can make it a little scoopier - like if they're doing more of a pad thing behind other guitars.
@@kylekarich thanks for the quick reply! That’s very helpful, I was kinda thinkin along those lines..I tend to keep my parts super dry comin from the funk world so these 80s guitar parts are really tricky for me.. if you get a chance check out some of the Michael Jackson isolated tracks on UA-cam, there’s some fantastic guitar work and to be able to hear it all isolated is mind blowing how they mixed some of this stuff
Rad!!! Subbed
Thank you :)
Great stuff - pretty sure The War On Drugs use those tricks today
I would love to hear more about the Def Leppard/Hysteria tone story. That is always one tone that I think is totally unachievable !
See if you can find an old Rockman & you'll be very close! There are some Rockman plugins out there too but I haven't tried them.
cool vid
Actually it’s more that Beautiful guitar that gives this sound. 🤘😎
Tylers are a whole vibe!