Shoutout to homie for talking about what he went through. Feels like everyone heard him and used what he said to further explain their own point (taking your own life is the real decision). Don't know him or his name but I'm glad you doin better bro!!
I work at a residential drug rehab in Toronto. And I can tell you for sure 99% of the 30 men who live at the rehab are suicidal. So I’m freaking out about this!
Addiction is a mental disease... Imagine if they had this option for other mental ailments. Damn, you still depressed and you've been in therapy for how long...? (Slides over gun across a table)
Im a Canadian and Im horrified how they made it so easy. There is a sinister reason behind it. We now lead in organ harvesting 😢 Its getting more and more common. 2 of my friends had grandparents ask for assisted Death and it took less than 3 months and only 1 doctor to sign off.
How often do we say that addicts can't make a rational decision because their physiology is altered by substance abuse, and now they're letting the same people make literally the decision that will have the biggest impact on their life? 90 days is no where near long enough for majority of addicts to clean themselves. Whoever came up with this idea has no moral fibre.
that was accurate. i jumped off a bridge and it fuckin suck that the realization that I had. I didn't want to die, woke up one day and did everything I could to have a new life. now im glad that im alive and get to play games that i love and with my gf.
Slippery slope: life is only worth living if you’re not suffering. If we think that way, we not only excuse our own self destruction but end up justifying the forcible elimination of undesirables. And it’s what is happening here. The health system can’t support the medical needs of the population so the government has found the final solution.
A lot of drug addicts have mental illness and depression in itself leads to drug addiction. How can someone that’s not ok decide what happens to them if they have lost control of themselves.. coming from addiction all I have to say is it gets better and you are worth it even if you don’t think so.
I feel this is so stupid, people in the wrong state of mind will always choose the easy way out and what they really need is rehab and therapy to get them off the drugs and try to ease them back into society.
I hope this isn’t the last we see the Under the Influence crew I love the chemistry and input so damn much, hope we can see the JK crew on their podcast as well😊
I work with folks with addictions and severe mental illnesses (often times concurrently). I also struggle with my own mental illnesses and have friends and family members struggling with mental illness alongside addictions too. My issue with this conversation is the emphasis on no physical ailments and only mental. Often times mental illnesses impact your physical health too and even if someone doesn't have something physical like debilitating pain disorders or deformations doesn't mean they don't feel physical pain. Many individuals with addictions and mental illness also have physical conditions that are influenced or even caused their mental illness or addiction in the first place. All the people I work with have physical ailments alongside their mental illness and addiction so you can't say it's just mental. It becomes the egg versus the chicken issue. Did those health issues lead the person to debilitating depression and addiction or vice versa? I'm on the fence about this. I'm all about body autonomy and see how painful and traumatic a life with addiction can be (it often interplays into housing and food instability that further adds onto the pain). When my clients say they want to die... I don't want them to but I also don't really blame them because they often have years of abuse, no positive supports, multiple overdoses that lead to more serious health issues and are treated like shit by any kind of possible health and mental health supports because of prejudice and stigma. However, I don't think it should ever be presented to someone or done in a way that makes it easy to access. I don't think 90 days is enough time to give it time to consider. I feel like it should be years and with wrap around supports to help the person with their addiction and pain to see if they have that support if they will feel differently and change their mind. They should always be given wrap around supports to prevent people from getting to the point where they just rather die.
My saying always impressed my therapist. There is always another concert. There is always another BBQ. There is something to look forward to always. Even if its just the little things. Live for the small things and eventually the big things will come
We are far from overpopulated. We are actually underpopulated. Some countries are just bad on economy and logistics. It's not an overpopulation problem
As someone who was severely depressed to the point of wanting to die, it does get better. I have clinical depression and every once in a while I get in those low moods thinking that if my life doesn't get better in x amount of years I'm just going to take myself out early than live the rest of my life miserable. I have to remind myself it's my brain and not my actual thoughts although that's easier said than done because even though you're aware, the thoughts still seem very real. And the brain is good at convincing you of these fears
Facts I’ve had those moments but I feel happy and so blessed with life. I remember selling things for drugs and when you don’t have it death seems easy.
It’s like the study they have if one of your family members have committed suicide there a higher chance of someone else in the family to because they see it as an out
Also, i lost my father this year to terminal cancer, he decided to inject something to ease the pain but guarantee faster death. So its the ease of pain that's the way to go, not the other way round.
They kinda encourage it by making it an option or am i trippin. Also seems like they want a quick and easy fix to mental health so they dont have to spend resources on rehabilitation. Just nasty work in general
I think the majority of us at some point in our lives want to unalive ourselves including myself. The fact that there is a waiting period makes this okay in my mind. My neighbor OD in the apartment below me. His body was there for two days. He planned it apparently. I think a situation like that is / could be more traumatizing than if it was done in an office.
I think it's not okay. Sorry to hear about your neighbor but most people would choose to keep on living given the chances. Encouraging people to kill themselves is similar to bullying and murder.
On one hand, I think this should be an option for those who genuinely need it. On the other hand, I do not think this service should ever be taken lightly. I don't know how the whole process works, but most people suffering from suicidal thoughts do come out of them and tend to be grateful they didn't follow through with anything. It should be months, if not a year plus of meetings with a psychologist before people get signed off on this, and imo, there should be an option to have some sort of grief counseling for the family to help process the situation, also to give input incase there is a history of other mental health issues at play that could affect the individuals ability to give full consent. I really hope it doesn't just get used as a way to not deal with societal issues and actually helping people.
I definitely believe in medically assisted suicide for those suffering through untreatable tremendous physical pain but for addiction and depression thats insane. especially only a 90 day waiting period, like if it did exist, for mental issues it should be years not months. there are literal proven pathways to a better life whether its medical or neurological, narcotic induced, or having a strong support system. this is not the way.
youre talking about "theres always other options to off yourself",but think about the people that gotta clean that shit up. you almost always gotta call cops/emergency services to clean up the mess. At least if its legal you can just do it in the hospital.
Even when my elderly neighbor passed away of natural causes, in her own home, the fire dept., paramedics, and police were called. When it was determined that she couldn't be resuscitated, someone from the medical examiner's office had to come and officially declare her as deceased, and the cops had to stay on the scene till the medical examiner arrived. Her family was with her in the house the whole time. And after the medical examiner left, the guy from the funeral home arrived to remove her from the house to take her body to the funeral home.
If anyone needs it there's a mindfulness book called 30 Days to Overcome Suicidal Thoughts by Harper Daniels that might help. Feel free to share if people online. It can help someone maybe.
Also, china will be starting to lose popularition. India has gone past, and they're not going to start slowing down. China has already gotten rid of their one child policy years ago
I have chronic depression and there have been times when I was suicidal. I wouldn’t consider myself to be suicidal anymore but these days, it’s less of “I want to unalive myself” and more of “I wouldn’t be upset if something happened *to* me and I just happen to die 👀” Addiction is a mental health issue so if this same option was given to anyone with any mental health problems, I don’t really trust myself to not take it which is why I think it’s insanely fucked up to even offer that as an option???
Addicts and the terminally ill what about physically ok but emotionally I don't want to be here anymore. I rather go out quietly tell my family see them down under than get everything in order than go.
People need to seek Christ. They need permanent solutions instead of dopamine. The overpopulation theory sounds great in theory, until it is their own loved ones. We should at least help and give people another chance.
Facts people have empathy for those close to them but those strangers have made happy memories and have flaws just like any human. A simple thought but the lack of sympathy and empathy sometimes is astounding.
I like the medical assisted $u1c1d3, it's good, but I want the age limit to be 26+ (why? Because your brain is fully developed), I disagree with canada's drug easy policy of walking around with any kind of drug and not getting in trouble for it. Vancouver and Toronto look like zombie city like America slowly.
I always wish my mother had this choice. I spent 2 months watching her lose her memory, forget family, lose function, and detoriate to her death as the state I'm in does not allow assisted death.
I agree with bart and the guests, which is how subin got out his funk-gotta have the person do it themselves and beforehand gotta actually live life or in bart’s words go through a bounce house tunnel lol. I think most people who are suicidal need to shake up their world so they can experience their potential in life (though, that’s challenging because it’ll be case by case or group it based on personality types), and I mean actually feel the possibility of living differently than they currently are..of course, I also understand there will be a couple of us just not meant to live long (for various reasons aside from terminally ill conditions) and again I still argue they need to commit the deed themselves. I do propose, however, that they get their shit in order first. No one needs to grieve the loss of a friend/family/lover and also figure out the logistics or where and how to take care of the remains (body) and belongings. Its stressful (talking from personal experience though my dear loved one died from medical issues, not suicide, AND from experience of dear friends who’ve committed suicide). I read some comments that mentioned its traumatic to find a dead body, to which I agree and if it helps to have a safe place to end things so be it. I just believe people need to get their affairs in order and be the one that finishes their final chapter.
@@ASMRandrealubana oh yeah %100 agree with that to! Kinda sketchy how they say it’s a donation though when they charge both parties. That just doesn’t make any sense.
@@Dave_of_Mordor lol. Do you know how much fresh water there is in this world or just water in general and how easy it is to produce it in the crazy event that it disappears?
This just seems like an “easy fix” so the government doesn’t have to deal with the homeless/drug addiction problem.
Gov't aren't really dealing with them anyways
B.C Canada is now legalize all drugs and they want to ban Healthy Natural supplements!
They are making money from organs
I appreciate my dude for telling us his testimony
They are probably some of my favorite guests ever, seem to fit so naturally in the group in a hilarious way.
Shoutout to homie for talking about what he went through. Feels like everyone heard him and used what he said to further explain their own point (taking your own life is the real decision). Don't know him or his name but I'm glad you doin better bro!!
you should watch his interview on under the influence his names viet trap he shares his past and what he went through
Sounds like they just wanna get rid of these people to keep it real.
@@Dave_of_Mordor I understand why but it’s not right at the same time to push people to actually go through with it.
@@Dave_of_Mordor how do you know that they won’t push them to it if it’s an option?
I work at a residential drug rehab in Toronto. And I can tell you for sure 99% of the 30 men who live at the rehab are suicidal. So I’m freaking out about this!
Addiction is a mental disease... Imagine if they had this option for other mental ailments. Damn, you still depressed and you've been in therapy for how long...? (Slides over gun across a table)
I think we unfortunately already have that. Or it's in the process just delayed...
@@ryan2215 about 10 years ago, if that was an option and I could afford it...
Im a Canadian and Im horrified how they made it so easy. There is a sinister reason behind it. We now lead in organ harvesting 😢 Its getting more and more common. 2 of my friends had grandparents ask for assisted Death and it took less than 3 months and only 1 doctor to sign off.
I have manic depression, have since I was a child. This is crazy to me. They can't possibly make that decision for themselves.
How often do we say that addicts can't make a rational decision because their physiology is altered by substance abuse, and now they're letting the same people make literally the decision that will have the biggest impact on their life? 90 days is no where near long enough for majority of addicts to clean themselves.
Whoever came up with this idea has no moral fibre.
I read the title and my first thought was what the dystopia hell is this
that was accurate. i jumped off a bridge and it fuckin suck that the realization that I had. I didn't want to die, woke up one day and did everything I could to have a new life. now im glad that im alive and get to play games that i love and with my gf.
Slippery slope: life is only worth living if you’re not suffering. If we think that way, we not only excuse our own self destruction but end up justifying the forcible elimination of undesirables. And it’s what is happening here. The health system can’t support the medical needs of the population so the government has found the final solution.
A lot of drug addicts have mental illness and depression in itself leads to drug addiction. How can someone that’s not ok decide what happens to them if they have lost control of themselves.. coming from addiction all I have to say is it gets better and you are worth it even if you don’t think so.
Thanks for this comment.
They put themselves in that position to begin with, so you just want them loitering, jerking off in parks?
How about offering help instead of assisted suicid3?!?! This is so twisted!
I feel this is so stupid, people in the wrong state of mind will always choose the easy way out and what they really need is rehab and therapy to get them off the drugs and try to ease them back into society.
Thank you Viet for sharing!!! You're here for a REASON!
I hope this isn’t the last we see the Under the Influence crew I love the chemistry and input so damn much, hope we can see the JK crew on their podcast as well😊
The only story where Ryan saves a life
I work with folks with addictions and severe mental illnesses (often times concurrently). I also struggle with my own mental illnesses and have friends and family members struggling with mental illness alongside addictions too.
My issue with this conversation is the emphasis on no physical ailments and only mental. Often times mental illnesses impact your physical health too and even if someone doesn't have something physical like debilitating pain disorders or deformations doesn't mean they don't feel physical pain. Many individuals with addictions and mental illness also have physical conditions that are influenced or even caused their mental illness or addiction in the first place. All the people I work with have physical ailments alongside their mental illness and addiction so you can't say it's just mental. It becomes the egg versus the chicken issue. Did those health issues lead the person to debilitating depression and addiction or vice versa?
I'm on the fence about this. I'm all about body autonomy and see how painful and traumatic a life with addiction can be (it often interplays into housing and food instability that further adds onto the pain). When my clients say they want to die... I don't want them to but I also don't really blame them because they often have years of abuse, no positive supports, multiple overdoses that lead to more serious health issues and are treated like shit by any kind of possible health and mental health supports because of prejudice and stigma. However, I don't think it should ever be presented to someone or done in a way that makes it easy to access.
I don't think 90 days is enough time to give it time to consider. I feel like it should be years and with wrap around supports to help the person with their addiction and pain to see if they have that support if they will feel differently and change their mind. They should always be given wrap around supports to prevent people from getting to the point where they just rather die.
My saying always impressed my therapist.
There is always another concert. There is always another BBQ. There is something to look forward to always. Even if its just the little things. Live for the small things and eventually the big things will come
We are far from overpopulated. We are actually underpopulated. Some countries are just bad on economy and logistics. It's not an overpopulation problem
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How can I search properly for all jknews vids with these guests, I like them lol
As someone who was severely depressed to the point of wanting to die, it does get better. I have clinical depression and every once in a while I get in those low moods thinking that if my life doesn't get better in x amount of years I'm just going to take myself out early than live the rest of my life miserable. I have to remind myself it's my brain and not my actual thoughts although that's easier said than done because even though you're aware, the thoughts still seem very real. And the brain is good at convincing you of these fears
Facts I’ve had those moments but I feel happy and so blessed with life. I remember selling things for drugs and when you don’t have it death seems easy.
Good comment.
Not far from, Futurama : Suicide booths
It’s like the study they have if one of your family members have committed suicide there a higher chance of someone else in the family to because they see it as an out
Taxpayers contributing to murder is crazy
You should see how Trudeau acted during an interview when he was talking about how his brother recently died in a skiing accident.
I wonder what Bart was thinking during this video lol
To be fair, it’s the French Canadians and some easterners that do the clubbing of the baby sea dogs, the rest of us smoke weed and play hockey.
Also, i lost my father this year to terminal cancer, he decided to inject something to ease the pain but guarantee faster death.
So its the ease of pain that's the way to go, not the other way round.
I've changed my mind. Ryan is a lifesaver
They kinda encourage it by making it an option or am i trippin. Also seems like they want a quick and easy fix to mental health so they dont have to spend resources on rehabilitation. Just nasty work in general
I feel like I shouldn’t have laughed as hard as i did on the hitler joke😂😂
An L for Canada
these guys should know a lot about "youth in asia" tuned into the right place
I think the majority of us at some point in our lives want to unalive ourselves including myself. The fact that there is a waiting period makes this okay in my mind. My neighbor OD in the apartment below me. His body was there for two days. He planned it apparently. I think a situation like that is / could be more traumatizing than if it was done in an office.
I think it's not okay. Sorry to hear about your neighbor but most people would choose to keep on living given the chances. Encouraging people to kill themselves is similar to bullying and murder.
God I love under the influence. The fact that they're on my childhood yt channel is amazing 😊
On one hand, I think this should be an option for those who genuinely need it. On the other hand, I do not think this service should ever be taken lightly. I don't know how the whole process works, but most people suffering from suicidal thoughts do come out of them and tend to be grateful they didn't follow through with anything. It should be months, if not a year plus of meetings with a psychologist before people get signed off on this, and imo, there should be an option to have some sort of grief counseling for the family to help process the situation, also to give input incase there is a history of other mental health issues at play that could affect the individuals ability to give full consent. I really hope it doesn't just get used as a way to not deal with societal issues and actually helping people.
We call that Palliative care, Morphine induced death.
Some Canadian official was watching a Nike commercial "just do it" and then he got this idea.
that is really, really fcking dark.
same sitch i live for my mum and son at this point but hearing that it will get better and that i’ll be happy one day i didn’t do it…gives me hope
We’re not overpopulated
I definitely believe in medically assisted suicide for those suffering through untreatable tremendous physical pain but for addiction and depression thats insane. especially only a 90 day waiting period, like if it did exist, for mental issues it should be years not months. there are literal proven pathways to a better life whether its medical or neurological, narcotic induced, or having a strong support system. this is not the way.
Oh shit! We're spaghetti planet from 'rick n morty'!!! 🍝
youre talking about "theres always other options to off yourself",but think about the people that gotta clean that shit up. you almost always gotta call cops/emergency services to clean up the mess. At least if its legal you can just do it in the hospital.
Cops and EMS do not clean up. That’s the responsibility of the family or the owner of the property the death took place on. 🙁
Rope, garbage bin under you, do the math, it's really simple and clean if you do it right.
@@kimmie5475That's even worse imo
@@kimmie5475lool ya its worse. and they still gotta look at it and deal with it too, its not like you dont call the cops when that stuff happens
Even when my elderly neighbor passed away of natural causes, in her own home, the fire dept., paramedics, and police were called. When it was determined that she couldn't be resuscitated, someone from the medical examiner's office had to come and officially declare her as deceased, and the cops had to stay on the scene till the medical examiner arrived. Her family was with her in the house the whole time. And after the medical examiner left, the guy from the funeral home arrived to remove her from the house to take her body to the funeral home.
We are NOT overpopulated !!!
yes we are. the universe is finite. it's resources finite. if life is left unchecked it will cease to exist
Existence is all there is. ❤ 🙏🏻
"The system" we live in creates these cancers.
@@zuychanyou’re literally uneducated its vastly unpopulated look at Japan and china
If anyone needs it there's a mindfulness book called 30 Days to Overcome Suicidal Thoughts by Harper Daniels that might help. Feel free to share if people online. It can help someone maybe.
Thank you
You decide your own fate…..
Its crazy people say this is wrong, but complain about funding mental help for these people at the same time.
Also, china will be starting to lose popularition. India has gone past, and they're not going to start slowing down.
China has already gotten rid of their one child policy years ago
I have chronic depression and there have been times when I was suicidal. I wouldn’t consider myself to be suicidal anymore but these days, it’s less of “I want to unalive myself” and more of “I wouldn’t be upset if something happened *to* me and I just happen to die 👀”
Addiction is a mental health issue so if this same option was given to anyone with any mental health problems, I don’t really trust myself to not take it which is why I think it’s insanely fucked up to even offer that as an option???
I’m struggling and on Percocet
Thats messed up a lot
I live here…. I’ve got some research to do 😂😂
Same
Addicts and the terminally ill what about physically ok but emotionally I don't want to be here anymore. I rather go out quietly tell my family see them down under than get everything in order than go.
People need to seek Christ. They need permanent solutions instead of dopamine.
The overpopulation theory sounds great in theory, until it is their own loved ones. We should at least help and give people another chance.
Facts people have empathy for those close to them but those strangers have made happy memories and have flaws just like any human. A simple thought but the lack of sympathy and empathy sometimes is astounding.
Futurama suicide machine
I like the medical assisted $u1c1d3, it's good, but I want the age limit to be 26+ (why? Because your brain is fully developed), I disagree with canada's drug easy policy of walking around with any kind of drug and not getting in trouble for it. Vancouver and Toronto look like zombie city like America slowly.
Unless you turning into spaghetti
I always wish my mother had this choice. I spent 2 months watching her lose her memory, forget family, lose function, and detoriate to her death as the state I'm in does not allow assisted death.
I agree with bart and the guests, which is how subin got out his funk-gotta have the person do it themselves and beforehand gotta actually live life or in bart’s words go through a bounce house tunnel lol. I think most people who are suicidal need to shake up their world so they can experience their potential in life (though, that’s challenging because it’ll be case by case or group it based on personality types), and I mean actually feel the possibility of living differently than they currently are..of course, I also understand there will be a couple of us just not meant to live long (for various reasons aside from terminally ill conditions) and again I still argue they need to commit the deed themselves. I do propose, however, that they get their shit in order first. No one needs to grieve the loss of a friend/family/lover and also figure out the logistics or where and how to take care of the remains (body) and belongings. Its stressful (talking from personal experience though my dear loved one died from medical issues, not suicide, AND from experience of dear friends who’ve committed suicide).
I read some comments that mentioned its traumatic to find a dead body, to which I agree and if it helps to have a safe place to end things so be it. I just believe people need to get their affairs in order and be the one that finishes their final chapter.
considering Vancouver decriminalized drug use idk how to feel abt this bc i imagine there's now a lot more addicts?
Applying for my Canadian citizenship
1997 Toyota Previa
Medical assisted allows people to off themselves without strangers stumbling apon their body. Imagine how traumatic finding a dead body is
True, but it's also about organ harvesting
@@ASMRandrealubana oh yeah %100 agree with that to! Kinda sketchy how they say it’s a donation though when they charge both parties. That just doesn’t make any sense.
Damn this channel is drying
First
Thats f up i get it if it was someone thats normal and depress but drug addict what if there not in the right mindset .-.
That's it I'm going to canada
It’s there body there choice
No such thing as over population smh
there is. elon has no idea what he is talking about. our fresh water will disappear in about 50 years
@@Dave_of_Mordor lol. Do you know how much fresh water there is in this world or just water in general and how easy it is to produce it in the crazy event that it disappears?
@@thomaschristopherwhite9043 Dude you can literally google this. If it's easy to produce then why aren't we doing it? THINK THOMAS THINK! 👉😖👈
@@thomaschristopherwhite9043 Fresh water is easy to produce?? What?? That's not true by any stretch of the imagination.
@@maplenerd22its really easy to do, it just cost a lot of energy to so on a large scale. We already do this in California 😂
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