Why Cartoons Make Great Satire
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Great video man
Happy holidays man . Always good to see a video from you.
Happy Holidays! Love your videos, always look forward to new ones!
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Feel free to email me, and all the best to you in 2018!
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Loved this. I remember growing up watching shows like South Park and The Simpsons, waiting to inevitably outgrow these cartoons, but the older I got the more I found to love. It's strange how disarming they can be, they present themselves as silly little shows but end up getting at deeper truths than even 60 Minutes. I think it's why those two in particular have been on the air for so long, whenever we feel lost looking around at our current society we can always turn to these shows for guidance in the face of real world absurdity. Great video Will, your channel may very well be my favorite on all of UA-cam.
My man!! I agree. South Park has lasted the longest (partly because it's been running so long) for me. I remember watching it in third grade with my friends and we'd all crack jokes with each other.
In the face of an absurd world, sometimes the best way to see clearly is by watching absurd shows.
Thanks for the comment -- to hear that my channel is up near the top for you is flattering and I really appreciate that.
I think always sunny does a great job too.
Agreed
I think satire runs a severe risk of nihilism, but not all satire is inherently nihilistic. It really depends on whether or not something shines through after all the layers have been peeled away by critical and comedic analysis. If you have nothing left, then the satire was nothing but nihilism.
A show like The Simpsons has a heart beating underneath. You've ultimately got a loving family despite its dysfunction. It's a theme that comes again and again throughout the series, even in its decline. The same is true for its spiritual successor Futurama, and for other satires like Bojack Horseman or King of the Hill.
Many, less nuanced satires rarely or never offer hope in the center of it all. South Park teeters on the edge of nihilism here because of its unwillingness to get involved with anything. As said in the video, the characters are almost always on the sidelines between two extremes, leaving the characters and the viewer watching helplessly as everyone who actually has values makes the world worse for it. Family Guy and its spin-offs are similar. They don't really have a lot to say, and when they do say something, it has little nuance. I think using satire as a blunt instrument rather than a precision tool results in a lot of collateral damage and you end up threatened with the possibility of having smashed all meaning away for a punchline.
Then you have something like Bojack Horseman, which pulls no punches because it's stripping away all the layers of the world that aren't important to reveal the fragile and heartbreaking beauty underneath. That's the whole point of it; like with all good satire.
This is an excellent analysis. I think this, along with the video, is exactly what I try to put into words when I try to differentiate some of the different cartoon comedy satires. Thanks for posting!
Well said
No mention of Futurama? Might be one of the best examples.
Other than that, phenomenal video essay!
Yea, I had a whole paragraph on Futurama that got cut. With the holidays coming up I had to make some qualitative sacrifices to get it out on time. Totally agree with ya. Glad you enjoyed it nonetheless.
Thanks again for another great video Will! I'm going to show this to my dad because he still thinks South Park is childish even though I've consistently tried to argue that it's filled with meaningful social commentary
Always good to see a new video in my notifications this time of year! Really appreciate your stuff.
Thank you my friend! Glad you enjoyed it.
I think it works well because it says what people are afraid to.
Totally agree
Satire rarely works in a live action adult environment because, it's so much more restricted limiting the things you can parody/joke about.
Animated shows with children allow for commentary on controversial subjects without the viewer choosing to stop watching because it goes against their beliefs. (Nobody takes children and cartoons as seriously).
Ethan Palm Did you watch the vid or are you writing a pre-vid hypothesis?! Because what you said is like half the video!
Will Schoder Typed it out while watching the vid, I was trying to predict were you were going with the video. Definitely a good subject to cover.
How the HELL does this video only have 28k views?! What a fantastic video - again! Your content is always worth the wait buddy, keep up the good work - I've always wondered why I love cartoons so much.
I've been watching your videos for a few months now and I've loved everything you put out. Regardless of the topic, it's the thought that you put into everything and the questions you raise even if there aren't always answers.. that's what I love. Keep up the great work
Love your content, wish there were more people like you on this platform
Hey thanks Gonza, I appreciate that. I think there will be more as the platform changes and the business model changes more and more from advertising to fan funding.
Great video. Just discovered this channel yesterday with your BoJack video and it's exactly what I've been looking for from my UA-cam content. You got yourself a subscriber!
Thanks my friend. Stick around! It will keep coming into the new year
You're a great spokesman and essayist. Keep it up.
Hey Felipe, I appreciate that.
I absolutely love your stuff man! I really hope you keep it up; I would definitely support a pratreon
edit: the way you broadly explore a theme about media instead of exploring a single show or trope is surprisingly informative and very intriguing!
Thanks my friend, that's one of the goals of the channel--to look at thing a little more broadly.
Will, this was incredibly well done. Keep up the amazing work. Happy New Year.
Thanks Brian, I really appreciate that! Happy New Year to you too.
Great video man, I hope your channel gets way more views next year.
I hope so too. Let's do it.
WOOT! New video!!! Love these videos, I can tell you spend awhile making them! Keep up the great work :D
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Such high quality videos, this channel is phenomenal
Spent this morning watching your videos. Great work, thank you very much.
Glad you like my stuff Peter! Thanks for the comment.
Your channel is one of those I always forget I'm subscribed to, but then when I see a video I remember why I am. Insane quality.
That's a really good thing to hear, thank you.
the background music is so calming
I'm just trying to get more people to sleep through my videos.
Excellent video. Channels like yours help me put my love for things into words better, and based on that phrasing I need all the help I can get.
Hey thanks. You know, it just takes practice. The more you read and write and try to put things into words, the better you'll get.
Amazing analysis as always Will. Always excited to see one of your videos pop up.
And I'm always happy to see your comments. Glad you enjoyed it.
Your videos are truly brilliant and I really hope you are able to continue to make this type of high quality and interesting content.
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Woah, this video was outstanding!! Much love!
Thanks Tariq, I appreciate it. Much love to you
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Love these videos
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Amazing! Thank you
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Great video, nice timing!
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Excellent video essay! :)
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Hats off to you man, great video
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Goddamn your video essays are some of the most well written and complete out there. Everything is relevant and you never drift too far off topic. I know you don't post often but quality over quantity all the way
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A class man. Thank you.
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Enjoyed this!
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beautiful video. i think the only live action that even comes close to cartoons when it comes to satire is 30 rock. Maybe because its characters are rarely realistic. Tracey and Kenneth are basically homer and cletus
Yea 30 Rock does a pretty darn good job on a lot of accounts. Thanks for your comment, I appreciate it.
Interesting and thought provoking
Awesome channel, congrats.
Always nice to see this channel in the sub box
Thanks briefcase. While you're beautiful on the outside, I think it's your inside that I find really valuable.
Fantastic video again!
Thank ya thank ya! Thank you for commenting.
Great video! Do you have one in the works that details the tools in the satirist's toolbox (at 1:13)? Thanks!
I'm really reluctant to post on youtube comments but I just reallized I can't let this one pass: I'm a college student in Brazil and I really wish I had the money to become a Patreon to this channel. I watched all the videos, some more than once (the BoJack one is my favorite), and every time I watch I feel that I learned something about the world, about people and about myself. I'm saying I'd really like to be able to be a Patreon (I hope to get some income really soon) because I saw there that Will wants to make this a full time job and I can objectively say that my live would be better off with this. Thank you for your videos, Will.
Thanks Gabriel, I really appreciate the comment. You've stated the goals of the channel within your comment, so that's awesome. It's great to hear that this channel has made you better off as a person. Thank you, my friend. I really appreciate it.
Awesome video man
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I still convinced you are one of the best UA-cam channels out here today
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Great video.
Thank you, my friend...forever.
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Hey Will, I want to get into making video essays. But right now my plan to write one consists of watching your videos and getting pissed off because I'm not that good yet. Any hints on how to start out?
Hey Adam, thanks for the nice comment! In terms of creating video essays, getting over the initial hump is the hardest part. It is a very involved medium, as I’m sure you’ve already discovered.
It’s cliche advice, but it’s just a fact: the only way to get good is to sit down and get grinding on it. Don’t worry if you can’t meet certain quality standards immediately. You’ll get better. That’s what UA-cam is all about. People will connect with you and watch as you get better. They like that! They want to see you improve as a writer, speaker, and editor.
My way is by no means the best way, but I'll tell you what I do for visual planning. Two things mainly: 1. I'll read and re-read a paragraph and let my mind visualize it. 2. Then ask, does that visualization A. actually work with the script?, B. seem aesthetically pleasing? and C. flow with the rest of the video? If the visualization passes through all the filters, then I figure out how it can be put into an editing program. If it is outside my editing/photoshop abilities, I'll take the extra time to teach myself how to do it. I always think it's worth it (UA-cam Tutorials are really great for this). I don't storyboard because the editing process is truly a process, and mapping it out would make it too absolute. The editing part is the creative part.
Again, my advice to upstart video essayists is always just to start making the thing. Once you begin to learn the language of editing, you’ll be able to point out in professional videos how someone did something. Go through the backlog of your favorite video essayists and ask yourself how they did all the editing stuff. It will take time, but you’ll figure it out, and eventually, it will become second nature.
For now, don’t measure yourself against others. Just try to wake up everyday having gotten better and keep beating your best work. If you have any other questions, shoot me an email: willschoder@gmail.com.
Oh, and most importantly, choose topics that you love! The audience won’t care if you don’t.
Good luck, Adam!!!
Thanks so much Will, somehow you managed to help in the exact way that I needed. I'll definitely send you an email some time for some advice next time I get stuck.
Again thanks so much, I can't wait to see what you put out next.
In defence of the fence, while you're sat on it you can see both sides. Are adult cartoons causing this or do we watch them because they reflect what we're already feeling? That there must be more nuance than one or the other... nice video, thx m8 x
Thanks Ralph, great comment. I think satire tends to reflect rather than inform, but if it's done really well, it can change, rather than reinforce, your mind.
Maybe the real satire was the friends we made along the way
Your contents never disappoint
Thanks Victor -- and thanks for commenting
Cartoons definitely compliment satire! Not necessarily a cartoon but we used a cartoon filter for this skit of Kim and Trump and it helps convey the satire ua-cam.com/video/IVIuK96iXDE/v-deo.html
Wow, great stuff man. Your point about society overlooking nuance is so true. Everything has to be deemed black or white, either offensive or socially constructive.
Thanks, Chaser! The nuance thing is really bothering me. There's a lot more to finding truth than framing things as good and bad. I appreciate the comment.
This was an awesome video! Well analysed. I think using kids to reveal problems is a great idea. We disarm ourselves when it comes to them. See them as innocent :)
is there a transcript of this somewhere?
Thank You 😉
Between the two of them, South Park in my opinion is more successful as an animated satire and plays shock humour just right while Family Guy comes off as too heavy handed and offensive.
I didn't like when oblongs and mission hill got the axe thank goodness they're keeping some of my favorites alive like power rangers and simpsons
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shieeeettttt, thanks for the comment
Saturday night live uses satire in every episode I've watched
not bad, good luck growing your channel
Thanks, I'm working on it
Wonderful! You really hit an interesting point with this one. Furthermore, I think those cartoons can falter when they can't find the nuance anymore. The Simpsons loses its bite when it BECOMES the mainstream. South Park becomes a immature stumping post when it advocates TOO much for one particular idea.
IMO (and hopefully at least a few other people's O's), BoJack is already on the verge of becoming the latter. It seems to have a three-dimensional and nuanced take on everything but politics, assuming that either anyone watching is either already more on the left than the right and will appreciate knowing that a show can advocate "the truth" in such a manner or, if not assuming that, that audience members can be "taught" by seeing characters they like in these kinds of situations. Maybe it's just a blind spot Bob-Waksberg and some of the rest of the writers have as a result of growing up a certain way, but given his desire to make the show even more political than before in Season 5 as a result of celebrity satire feeling tedious in the current political climate, they really should start showing people like Tom Jumbo-Grumbo (Keith Olbermann's Beluga whale news broadcaster), Hank Hippopopalus, and Ritchie "Goober" Osborne the same way they show BoJack- as people/whales/hippos with relatable desires that were also victims of certain circumstances, but make it clear that it still doesn't make the bad things they do OK. While there are people who will support BoJack Horseman (the show) no matter what it does (the television critics at IndieWire, Vulture, and The A.V. Club come to mind), if the BoJack crew doesn't start to follow their own advice and start to handle politics in a less absolutist manner, it could cause the show to be ungraciously cancelled as a result of very low ratings and not eventually end on Bob-Waksberg's terms with a beautiful series finale as I think that, in spite of my issues with the show, feel it deserves.
Depending on your perspective of the issues and discussions that have spun out of the so-called toxic fandom, McDonald's Szechuan Sauce debacle, and the crew's handling of such things, one or both of the issues you mentioned Simpsons and South Park sometimes having already applies to Rick and Morty. I think that one of the things that Dan Harmon and some of the rest of the cast and crew are going to try to do for Season 4 is to try and "detoxify" it, meaning make it the kind of show that the would-be "Junior Ricks" of the world wouldn't like and couldn't use to create justification for mean and antisocial antipathy. However, this might have the unintentional side effect of giving it the problems I mentioned with BoJack. While Rick and Morty usually cuts itself down with a snide comment from Rick or someone else when it seems to be on the verge of becoming preachy, BoJack very much wants you to hear the author tracts that seem like they should be on an episode of Real Time with Bill Maher rather than an episode of a serialized dramedy. Even though it might be easier to tell when R&M is being sincere if they had this approach, it could also allow for some more blind spots to come into the writing. Honestly, while I think that BoJack is better in terms of objective quality and overall production, R&M is a more rewarding show to watch because I know that it's made by humble people that are able to admit where their show might go wrong and are more equal-opportunity offenders (yes, I know that some politically left-wing websites use "equal-oppurtunity offender" as a synonym for "bigot", but that's an issue I'm about to come right back to), meaning that while Dan Harmon and Justin Roiland are willing to call out all forms of radicalism, on the right, left, and center, Dan by going on an "epic rant" in an episode of Harmontown and Justin by mocking them in a silly voice, Raphael Bob-Waksberg, Lisa Hanawalt, Adam Conover, Joanna Calo, Kelly Galuska, and Nick Adams are only willing to call it out when it's a radical form of a belief they already disagree with, and might not recognize a radical left-wing belief as such. They may handle things more quietly than Dan and Justin, but their tendency to cater to one point of view so strongly becomes pretty glaring, especially when you always hear Bob-Waksberg talk about how proud he is of the show and wanting every episode to be someone's favorite. In this respect, being an equal-oppurtunity offender makes you less bigoted, not more. Hopefully, R&M can stay a show that no member of any one ideology or background can get TOO mad at for more than a little while, even when going through "detoxification" in order to cut loose as many toxic fans as possible, and that it can be better than ever when it returns in presumably late summer 2019.
Apart from South Park, one of the few adult cartoons being singled out here that I'm still into is American Dad. So underrated and deserves better.
Great video
Thanks Kartik, I appreciate it.
Awesome
Thanks, mang!
Amazing
Thanks Brett, glad you enjoyed it.
Great Essay!
Thanks Guy!
Sponsored by squarespace! Way to go, Will!
Yea baby!! Woohoo
fantastic video :)
Thanks Brian! Always nice to see your comments.
I love your videos!
Thanks Binu!!!
Distrust more than disillusionment i think. Don't be a sheep and all that crap. As always, loved the vid dude
Henners Yea I agree. I think comedians (of the Carlin ilk) tend to be disillusioned idealists, so that may have slipped in there > distrust. I'm sure you have any number of people in either camp. I've even floated between them. Thanks for the comment and the kind words!
Will Schoder kind of like the idea that art just repeats itself, so eventually all this nihilist stuff will become the norm, so being edgy will involve being sincere. And so on, no problem man keep it up!
Is Will Scoder a philosopher of the 21st century?? I think so!!
When somebody says to me that cartoons are just kids stuff, I can now point them towards this video. Thanks for bringing your view on this matter!
Yea, that's part of the reason I made it. Too many people still write off cartoon as childish. Quite the opposite in fact!
“The simpsons in South Park” lol.
This was great.
Thanks Anthony, preciate chu
Do you ever wonder what would happen if Gang decides to fall apart and people of South Park, Colorado decides to be normal human beings including Eric Cartman?
What show is that 1:26
Probably American Dad
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Do an episode on archer
I'll put it on the list
It may be a while tho
Dude I love your videos, and Id love to see one on Jordan B Peterson
Thanks Isaac, I appreciate that. I am a fan of JBP, though I cannot be considered a devout follower like many on the platform. I'll put him on the list, but figure I can't do anything until I read his books.
It bothers me how you pronounce Vonnegut.
Still a great video.
Van-gut! Van-yup! Van-yoot! How would you pronounce it?!
What a fucking brillant video
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it.
That South Park clip perfectly reflects 2018 gun politics
I finally got the joke about Diane being an "Asian Daria"
There it is!!
Fuck yes.
Fuck yea!!
This deserves a million views
That's some serious flattery...one can only hope...
Almost upvoted this video until John Oliver was shown during the "satire at its best" bit. Seriously? The entire premise of his show is that a whiny British guy whines and the audience is an echo-chamber so they cheer. Oliver is satire at its worst, satire on accident.
I’ve often thought about the unrealistic standard of American Idealism sets for Americans, and how our politicians espouse idealistic policies but act out of accordance with these ideals, defaulting to money and corruption instead.
One of satire's jobs is to look for that gap and point of the corruption right in front of us. I'd say it does a better job on some weeks than others.
American Satire cartoon is good at its best
The gab between rhetoric and practice is the smallest in the US. But that won’t stop the left coast from trying to convince us that we are miserable
good video :)
Thank you little evening. I hope one day in your future you have a big evening.
XD me too man, it's coming