At about 21 minutes you commented on lack of motor industry engineering expertise 25 years ago. I went to China on a work trip in 2002. I was an engineer in the UK motor industry. The Chinese engineers in their motor industry were on the ball and using up to date facilities. The whole place was buzzing and it was quite clear what was coming. Some of my colleagues moved to China even back then. This whole situation has been building for a long time now.
it all started in late 90s. I came to work in China 99 training the local mechanical and teaching how to annalistic mechanical engine. They are so easy to teach because their mathematic are so great and fast seeing through how it works. They are serious learner even the elderly professor shows so much respect taking seriously to listen and being so welcoming us. They are so ethical and hardworking people. I already knew the day will come to where the world has to acknowledge their talents.
Thank you putting this out there- less moaning and whining from advanced economies would be good. This was always a high probability outcome. In 1988 I had lunch with representatives of a large Chinese stock exchange. I asked them why they were studying western systems- they said to be rich like the west. Western governments have neglected thier basic infrastructure of education and training at all levels of society - plus been intimidated into avoiding advanced technology investments across industry. For China it was a no brainer. For the west it was no brains - we have fossil fuels!!! We in the west have been sunk by our cowardice in the face of climate change. The west is a submarine though and can re-surface.
I came to China in 1999 for an automotive consultancy full time from 2003 still here, the Chinese OEM were open to learning quickly many companies even then had world class production facilities - Wuxi Diesel being one example
The BYD Shark has launched in Mexico, Brazil, Australia, and New Zealand, receiving overwhelmingly positive feedback, especially from customers in Mexico and Brazil. I’m confident it will perform just as well in Australia and New Zealand. Legacy automakers with models like the Hilux and Ranger have a lot to worry about now. Of course, the Americans still have one secret weapon up their sleeve: a 100% import tariff on Chinese EVs.
I just came across this show from searching BYD Shark, cause i just ordered one (any opportunity to brag). Was thoroughly enjoying it, and then noticed that Robert was Kryten... What a blast from my teenage years. Gave me a giggle for sure.
Believe this - hungry humans learn fast, fat and happy humans complain fast. One day, China will fat and happy but India and Africa will be hungry - this cycle is way of human affairs on this planet. Less moaning and crowing and more doing and creating is a better path for all us!
@@neildolan7177 Don't just make a sweeping statement without details to back it up. Like exactly what IP was stolen and from whom. That would be useful.
@kamsunleong6648 You will recall Trump hitting China with a tariff based om intelligence that China has been stealing IP. We can pretend that US intelligence is second to social media influencers or we can accept that this was based on facts.
@@addsfour3499byd have said themselves sales have exceeded their expectations. Over 2500 have been ordered in a week since release without the ability to test drive yet. 2500 is a good number for that here for sure.
@@addsfour3499 pre orders are doing well, over 2000. And just looking from the outside so to speak, the views on the Shark that has been reviewed in Ausi and even NZ have been astronomical compared to normal views for legacy stuff. No doubt this vehicle, being a pick up, is creating a lot of buzz!
Went to the Sydney Ev show on 9 November. 4 new Chinese brands to Oz. Smart, Deepal ,Xpeng and Zeeker. Wow 🎉 Zeeker makes Audi Mercedes and beamers look like corolla's and the Xpeng g6 has all the bells and whistles slightly cheaper than a model Y . What a change in 12 months. See you all in Sydney next year. ❤love to have a chat . Cheers Rossco from Wollongong
If Australian Government would continues like this, that staying out of the US led tech war and tariff war, more Chinese top brands would go there I believe, brands like NIO, Li-Auto and AITO, and just like what Chinese like to say, more competitive market, more benefits for consumers.
@@cheungchingtongthere’s no reason for Australia to place tariffs on as there is now no Australian car manufacturing. Unless of course they bow down to the ‘orders’ of the bully USA!
17:53 fyi, i saw in another video article from SCMP, China's goal for railway connection is to reach every corner of the country. To qualify, any city with half a million people minimal will have a station for the bullet train to reach. While in Canada we're still discussing how a bullet train "could" benefit between Toronto to Montreal for well over a decade
13:08 "He (BYD CEO?) didn't seem worried about the American market, [saying] "we have plenty of other stuff to do"......." This is what "the Americans" don't realise. China is building the BRICS/ Belt and Road Initiative with The Global South. That's 85% of the Global population. Even of that population doesn't use Chinese EVs *yet* China has a market far greater than their ability to produce vehicles for the foreseeable future. They can essentially wish USA "Good Luck" and ignore them (While taking US market share in the Global South countries)
Great show guys. Elliot you need to do a video on the VW Santana in China, I know it’s not an EV but this will explain to people in the west just why VW and western brands in general are doing so badly in China. And why the Chinese are so keen on EV’s as the western brands were selling them such antiquated polluting technology for years. They sold the mk1 Santana for almost 40 years in China and just 4 years in Europe.
Well it’s very short to Tianjin. If you count those short ones, the first one is probably the 200km long Canton-Kowloon shuttle running @200kph that opened in 1998.
I live in one of the major's, and my hometown isn't, but the charging infrastructure is quite well laid there also, if you compare it to any city outside of Mainland China. Good enough for almost half of the population switch their ICE to EV, which is happening.
@zapfanzapfan He has just done one on his own YT channel called Elliot Richards on EVs. He went to the lovely Yunnan province with a UK friend in a luxury MPV provided by Zeekr. Have a look. He has several other trip videos.
I think electric vehicles are very suitable for the living environment in Western countries. Many people live in suburban, low-density areas, and it's very simple to install a charging station at home to charge their cars. My cousin lives in the remote area, and the nearest gas station is 32.5 kilometers away.
The top three selling vehicles in Australia are the Ford Ranger, Toyota HiLux and Isuzu D Max. All dual cab utility vehicles. The BYD Shark is getting great reviews and at A$57K (29K pounds) should take a huge chunk of this segment. Some here in Australia were disappointed BYD went hybrid but in this market it was a no-brainer. BEVs make up only 6.4% of sales in Oz. Now BYD can get a slice of the other 93%.
plus they realised Ausi is a big place! having the ability to fill up with petrol when the situation arises, is a great marketing idea for this country.
I understand why they have introduced tariffs but the level indicated is counter productive, as for the buyers it feels like we're being punished for the lack of vision from the auto industry outside of china so I'm no fan of this chapter in trade and disappointed with the government's stance on this issue
Just to clarify a couple of points about the BYD Shark 6. It has a few different EV/hybrid modes: it can go a claimed 100 km (in reality, maybe 80 km) pure EV mode (electric motors driving both axles) and the ICE can act as a generator to charge the battery (series hybrid) or, when travelling over 70 km/h, the ICE can drive the front wheels (parallel hybrid). The price in Australia is about the same as the cheapest version of the Ford Ranger, although the interior of the Shark has more bells and whistles and it is about as quick as a Ranger Raptor.
this is why I think all these Ausi comparison reviews with the Raptor are so funny, I have a wildtrak x, I cannot afford a raptor, (my daughter has one though ). The Shark is two thirds the price of the Raptor, that is because the Shark is made for more urban type living. Comparisons with the Mitsi or a D max would be more appropriate. But in the end, the main point is this, for most of your everyday driving you will not be polluting with your tail pipe. In the tray there are 3 x 240volt very handy outlets, there is more room in the back for passengers, and the electric motors drive all 4 wheels when required, which is most of the time. I have an ev and plug it in at home using a granny charger, the same could be used for the Shark if your daily drive is less than 60ks. Install a 7kw wall box if more range is required more often. In the last 2 years, my ev has cost me pennies in comparison to my wildtrak, plus, my recent 3 year service cost me $900 --- no off-roading, and low ks to boot! I do feel I am being ripped off ( NZ ).
The worst part was not the period after Mao took over. The very worst suffering for the Chinese people was the 150 years before Mao took over. That was when the British, French, other Europeans and Japan inflicted the worst damage on China and the Chinese people.
I noticed they had to keep opening their windows to clear out the condensation, do they not realised that they could turn on their aircon to stop condensation building up in their MG?
Great podcast. I wish we had on our side of the Channel this kind of less Franco-centric view with a team and a correspondent in China who gives a real state of the Chinese economy and mindset from the inside instead of clichés from deep France!
Hi Guys great podcast from a long time China ex pat automotive engineer based in Shanghai, we also.have a Cyberster since Jan plus a model Y China is light years ahead its really affecting the.legcy OEM's here with no return to the past
It's great to see China's manufacturers are prepared to release RHD EVs before LHD....that and the embargos from Europe and the USA id defenatlely need to take advantage of this in Australia, UK and other Commonwealth countries ..
there is more red tape in China when it comes to releasing a pick-up, hence the introduction into R/H drive pick up markets, and there are quite a few.
Welcome to a brand new episode of Carpool with Elliot Richards as the guest then. :) Gavin Shoebridge(KiwiEV) who did the review in NZ mentioned and has been on panels at Fully Charged Live in Sydney over the last 2 shows.
This is brilliant, I really enjoyed the casual sharing of knowledge. I did wonder if you could have sung a song.... Then call the segment "Car lift Karaoke" of something
12:12) US pickup front? My revivifier is 5’ 7” several pickup “hoods” are taller than Doc’s eyes. At least one has a power step that zooms out for passengers. Holy Frunk! Rob you have to review one of these glaciers for UK viewers❤
Well this format brought back memories of ‘old’. Prius to Cyberster. There will still be people in 15-20 years time saying why do we bother with x-y-z when China pollutes so much. When, if we don’t get our act together, we’ll be the ones still burning sh*t!!
We can be bullied by Europe and America to introduce high tariffs for imported EV's from China. America could come up with "if you want cheaper trade deals then you have to introduce higher tariffs for china"
Done. Oct 1st, Canada Gov kneeled to the bully - 100% tariff on EVs from China. Only impacts Tesla - run by a Frunkin’ Canadian. Cray - with a capital Zee!
i really want a Li Auto L6, it's like a personal sanctuary with air conditioning，massaging chair，big screen，awesome audio system and a refrigerator. you could drive it to some beautiful site and just sit in it enjoying the view with all the function running
I believe there's a regulation in China. Pickup trucks are considered commercial vehicles. They can't be driven without commercial driving licenses especially in their tier 1 cities. But then, commercial operators won't choose pickup trucks either because they aren't truly suited for commercial use.
@@alihms In China, pickup trucks are classified as micro commercial vehicles and are subject to many restrictions, such as: 1. They can only drive in the far right lane on highways and cannot exceed a speed of 100 km/h. 2. They are not allowed to enter city centers. 3. They must be scrapped after 15 years.
@@张泰-m3l Even in NZ they are registered as a commercial vehicle, that does catch some people out when towing a trailer. If you go over 5 ks above the 90kmh speed limit, your booked!
@22:25 Good point about Tesla being only foreign car company in China without a JV. My guess is Chinese companies already had investment in Tesla Inc. at the time so an exemption was given. We know Tencent, for example owned 6%, which is not insubstantial considering Musk only owns 13%. There may have been others we dont know.
Robert thanks for recording a video whilst driving along - you make your interviews far more interesting than your colleagues. I love your quirky comments. The cyber truck I am pretty sure they use the same material as the rockets are made out. Why? Because Elon wanted a low cost per unit for the rockets and the only way to do that was find a use for many tons of the same material hence the Cyber Truck. I sense the model 2 is currently cancelled. 2025 will be the revised Model Y.
Robert: "Elliot, the good news is that I'll give you a ride to the airport. Bad news, you're on the clock the whole way and we're reviewing a car and ALL THINGS CHINESE. Let's not forget some stupid American stunts, too." On the clock or not, it'd always be a pleasure to chat w you, Robert. (From the US.)
US should just allow the extra tariff refundable. 50% of extra tariff can be refunded once factory is built. Remaining 50% can be claimed 1yr after factory is fully operational.
I don't think BYD or any other Chinese EV brand has the USA on their Radar at the moment, First the USA isn't welcoming so making inroads will be pretty hard, secondly they have the whole World minus some EU states and USA and that is a pretty huge export market that these brands are catering to. So maybe when the rest of the world market has been catered to which may take some time then they will look towards the USA market.
Tariffs are paid by the local American based importing company/consumer and not the exporting car company from China so I am not sure how the refund will work in that way. Besides by making sufficient expensive it will reduce any interest in actually importing any cars in the first place
Nobody wants to come to a hostile country to produce cars for them. Not worth it. China has been doing a favor to the US by exchanging their products made with sweat and labour for $ create out of thin air. The goal is to completely decouple. Thanks to Trump for accelerating that process.
Shame got me out of my 7 seater Skoda Kodiaq into an EV. I still needed room in the back for a big, occasionally soggy Golden Retriever so I got myself a Skoda Enyaq, which I love.
@CheeseLovingGuy hmm, less than 4 minutes everytime? What about the benefits in being able to swap out an new, advanced battery on a 3+ year old car? What about the local power grid tapping into a swap station being peak grid usage? What about a failed battery in an EV? 😉 you don't have a clue 😀
Unless NIO have a battery-swapping stations along all routes where you might need to replenish your battery, it's not a total solution. I think battery-swapping could work for a shared fleet, stuff like delivery drivers and eBike couriers in an urban environment, or ride-share vehicles. That's assuming you can't recharge the existing battery during normal downtime. People don't change their battery just because better batteries become available, they do it when their existing battery will no longer do what they need it to do, through long-term depletion or a fault crops up. Then it can be done at a garage, like having new tires put on. It doesn't need to be a 4 minute rush job.
The BYD Shark 6 Ute is a plugin hybrid with a 30 kwh battery. It yas no mechanical drive, just front a rear electric drive motors, with a small 1.5 lter petrol engine. It has half the fuel consumption of equivalent legacy diesel utes and can run up too 100 kms electric only range. At around the same price as a mid range Ford Ranger. Plus it will do zero to 100 kmh under 6 seconds.
31:02. The Chinese driverless type bus that is guided by a metal spikes in ground “track” to me seems to relegate Tesla type self drive to the silliness bin imo. The good old KISS engineering principle in action. I just cant recall if your channel has shown it? That company has been in talks with the Auckland NZ Council as a much cheaper option to light rail. Just bang a bunch of metal spikes in and off you go ! Laurie. NZ. 😊
A fascinating pod cast! I worked in hong Kong 32 years ago before those pesky Chinese took it back from the UK! And another one , when I was 9 I was intrigued by the cutty sark. Now I realise us sneaking Brits built it to forge trade links with a massive continent the other side of the planet. It was not for tea, the canny brits invaded china by stealth! MGs are designed in London, we subcontract the boring build thing . Luckily my son was taught mandarin from out local state school.
It was good for my business in Brisbane at the time, we did internal window coverings and the people leaving Hong Kong were flooding into the country, buying up big. Luckily we had an interpreter on staff, made a huge difference,
US, Europe and Japan didn't just fall behind. Companies like GM, Toyota and VW but a lot of money and effort into making us fall behind, they didn't want to adapt so they hobbled the whole market.
Not wanting to be argumentative, but the reason for Cybertruck is government and company fleets. Everything from emergency service, forest rangers, local council workers, etc.
An old friend of yours Nikki from Transport Evolved who you used to go on test drives with in the UK, owns a Ford F150. Why didn't you ask her if you could borrow her F150 and go for a drive in it whilst the Transport Evolved crew were 'filming' Everything Electric Live in Vancouver.
Who from the EV fraternity is actually lobbying the UK government to pull their finger out and court some manufacturers to build factories and infrastructure in the UK? With all the tariffs etc surely the UK should be attractive to build cars at scale again?
After the Nuclear Power cancellation, Huawei research cancellation, G4 and G5 cancellation......not being a trusted source etc, I don't think Chinese firms will be running to UK 😢,
You can tell Bob’s thinking is very much influenced by his consumption of UK media, some short pregnant pauses when Elliot was too polite to say anything 😂, it’s interesting interaction between the two, Elliot has stayed too long in China 😊and behaving more like Chinese, agreeable and just chat along the direction where Bob was heading 😅😅😅.
What did you do today dear? Oh, drove around the Thames Valley talking to my imaginary friend who admired my doors. Chinese holograms are brilliant these days! That's nice dear.
BYD shark should be banned across Europe, at least for sale to individuals rather than businesses. It looks nice for a truck considerably better than a Cybertruck but Europe doesn't need more trucks whether they are electric, hybrid or not.
Aluminium consumption is increasing exponential because its cheap. Why are we not capturing the emissions from the smelting process now & not in the future?
27:15 interestingly, as a resident of the San Francisco Bay area where Teslas are extremely common, about half of the truck drivers I have seen were women
Some people will hate Elon, and there's no changing that. But there's also people who are grateful for what he's done and will do. That's me. Elon Musk is clearly changing the world for the better. From Tesla, SpaceX, Neurolink, X and the Boring Company. Elon and his teams are making a massive innovative positive difference in the world. Musks companies are all built in the name of Philanthropy, Elon and his companies have great talent and continue to progress despite despair, critics, and roadblocks. Elon and his companies are leading the world to a very exiting future. They know what they are doing and it's clearly working. The lesson people should learn is "Don't bet against Elon", you should remember that. I can't wait for them to prove some people wrong, I mean, they are proving people wrong now so...there's no more I can say! You just don't get it, I'm sorry. You are great people and this is a great channel, but I can't just sit back and not say something; don't take it the wrong way.
"Why didnt Tesla make the cybertruck more like a rivian, it would have sold better!' Meanwhile, cybertruck is outselling both Rivian and F150 lightning combined. Do these guys have any clue?
I think their point is that instead of making more affordable electric vehicles as per their mission. They focused on another extravagant unaffordable car only for the rich or Americans. I'm a big Tesla fanboy, but you must see the other perspective. Arguably they would have sold much more worldwide with a different car. However to push the boundaries of manufacturing and design, Elon pushes ahead with cybertruck probably against many peoples advice. Ego? Or 200IQ move?
@@mcswainy I feel like that's a detail many critics of the Cybertruck seem to miss, they acknowledge all the "cool tech" like the new 48v arch., steer by wire, etc. but then don't understand why not go straight into the cheaper model. We know Tesla uses these more extravagant experiments (which clearly do well) and then apply everything they learn from it into a cheaper model. That's literally how S/X worked for 3 (i.e. "the master plan"), so why not do it again? They've got many good things learned from 3/Y, now use CT as the experiment for what they can safely push in the next gen which ultimately gets us to Model 2 territory (while Tesla can stay comfortably in the green). It gives them time to mature the 4860s, get their castings ready, and with their recent LVCS stuff I'm sure they'd love to get the industry on board to further help drive their own costs down. I think they know a sub 25K would sell like crazy, makes sense to plan accordingly to meet demand, even if it means taking time (slowly from our view) to put all the pieces into place.
In north america, a plugin hybrid is the way to go. I cancelled my reservation of a cybertruck because the range is simply not enough for me to drive to my cabin (550km one way) without charging ( in Canada going to the wilderness, charging facilities are next to nonexistent.) Only a plugin hybrid truck like BYD shark can give you such a range.
@mcswainy definitely a 200IQ move, the Cybertruck is magnetic; it catches people's attention! What a way to get people learning about Tesla!! The pickup market in the US is big and its better people driving around in a Cybertruck than a diesel burning F350. That's another thing, Robert keeps saying that why can't Tesla make a lower priced model instead of the Cybertruck? But then sings absolute praise for Jim Farley and the F150 Lightning, but no criticism on them not making a lower cost model. Also, Tesla are making more affordable models early next year. + You will be able to buy a Cybercab for $25,000 but it just won't have steering wheel and pedals. Automany is coming! It's not a distraction like Elliot says in the video, it's the future and they showed that.
Whilst I love ev's and fully intend to make the move soon I am worried about the UK's political relationship with China, which if it deteriorates, would make Chinese cars a massive liability due to sanctions etc.
There was a joint venture between GM and Toyota which ended and Toyota sold off the Freemont factory cheaply to Tesla: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Fremont_Factory
At about 21 minutes you commented on lack of motor industry engineering expertise 25 years ago. I went to China on a work trip in 2002. I was an engineer in the UK motor industry. The Chinese engineers in their motor industry were on the ball and using up to date facilities. The whole place was buzzing and it was quite clear what was coming. Some of my colleagues moved to China even back then. This whole situation has been building for a long time now.
Exactly. Canada licensed LFP battery patents to the Chinese - 2001, I think. China changed the Frunkin’ world with that❤
it all started in late 90s. I came to work in China 99 training the local mechanical and teaching how to annalistic mechanical engine. They are so easy to teach because their mathematic are so great and fast seeing through how it works. They are serious learner even the elderly professor shows so much respect taking seriously to listen and being so welcoming us. They are so ethical and hardworking people. I already knew the day will come to where the world has to acknowledge their talents.
Thank you putting this out there- less moaning and whining from advanced economies would be good. This was always a high probability outcome. In 1988 I had lunch with representatives of a large Chinese stock exchange. I asked them why they were studying western systems- they said to be rich like the west. Western governments have neglected thier basic infrastructure of education and training at all levels of society - plus been intimidated into avoiding advanced technology investments across industry. For China it was a no brainer. For the west it was no brains - we have fossil fuels!!! We in the west have been sunk by our cowardice in the face of climate change. The west is a submarine though and can re-surface.
@@economistfromhell4877 The west culture from the past 300s years what they've learn is dugging golds, diamonds, oils and steals the banks.
I came to China in 1999 for an automotive consultancy full time from 2003 still here, the Chinese OEM were open to learning quickly many companies even then had world class production facilities - Wuxi Diesel being one example
The BYD Shark has launched in Mexico, Brazil, Australia, and New Zealand, receiving overwhelmingly positive feedback, especially from customers in Mexico and Brazil. I’m confident it will perform just as well in Australia and New Zealand. Legacy automakers with models like the Hilux and Ranger have a lot to worry about now. Of course, the Americans still have one secret weapon up their sleeve: a 100% import tariff on Chinese EVs.
Canada imposed 100% tariff on Oct 1. Applies only to Tesla, since no China companies ship to Canada.
Canadians used to be smart
Not 100% but 1000%😂
I get to pay the tarrifs.
Thailand would be another hit with its many truck users
I just came across this show from searching BYD Shark, cause i just ordered one (any opportunity to brag). Was thoroughly enjoying it, and then noticed that Robert was Kryten... What a blast from my teenage years. Gave me a giggle for sure.
I’m a doll. Hope BYD releases a “Kryten” Ute!❤😂
You are lucky. No sharks in the USA
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@@onetwothreefour-s1n Could buy one in Mexico and drive over I suppose?
@djyx8 sure, you can't get it registered in the USA tho without the tariff.
China learn very fast and Western Countries blame very fast. This is the different. 😂😂😂
Believe this - hungry humans learn fast, fat and happy humans complain fast. One day, China will fat and happy but India and Africa will be hungry - this cycle is way of human affairs on this planet. Less moaning and crowing and more doing and creating is a better path for all us!
Using Cyber espionage to steal IP is not learning fast?
@@neildolan7177
Don't just make a sweeping statement without details to back it up. Like exactly what IP was stolen and from whom. That would be useful.
@kamsunleong6648 You will recall Trump hitting China with a tariff based om intelligence that China has been stealing IP. We can pretend that US intelligence is second to social media influencers or we can accept that this was based on facts.
@neildolan7177 if you can't beat China, just say national security, overcapacity and steal etc.. if this made you better that ok. 🤪🤪🤪🤪
BYD Shark just released in Australia is selling like hot cakes.
Banned by Gov of Canada. Would wipe out Ford/GM/Honda/Toyota…
Not doubting, but how do you know it’s selling well?
@@addsfour3499byd have said themselves sales have exceeded their expectations. Over 2500 have been ordered in a week since release without the ability to test drive yet. 2500 is a good number for that here for sure.
@@addsfour3499the.preorder features are very good, the websute literally crashed when the price was announced
@@addsfour3499 pre orders are doing well, over 2000. And just looking from the outside so to speak, the views on the Shark that has been reviewed in Ausi and even NZ have been astronomical compared to normal views for legacy stuff. No doubt this vehicle, being a pick up, is creating a lot of buzz!
Went to the Sydney Ev show on 9 November. 4 new Chinese brands to Oz. Smart, Deepal ,Xpeng and Zeeker. Wow 🎉 Zeeker makes Audi Mercedes and beamers look like corolla's and the Xpeng g6 has all the bells and whistles slightly cheaper than a model Y . What a change in 12 months. See you all in Sydney next year. ❤love to have a chat . Cheers Rossco from Wollongong
I was surprised that the driving experience in my friend’s G6, which costs only a third of the price of my AWD Model 3, felt almost the same.
If Australian Government would continues like this, that staying out of the US led tech war and tariff war, more Chinese top brands would go there I believe, brands like NIO, Li-Auto and AITO, and just like what Chinese like to say, more competitive market, more benefits for consumers.
@@cheungchingtong I see Australia's senators are trying to go after Chinese electric cars in the name of a comical national security threat
Yeah, top quality, compelling cars are coming down under! No tariffs, We are the winners! 😊
@@cheungchingtongthere’s no reason for Australia to place tariffs on as there is now no Australian car manufacturing. Unless of course they bow down to the ‘orders’ of the bully USA!
17:53 fyi, i saw in another video article from SCMP, China's goal for railway connection is to reach every corner of the country. To qualify, any city with half a million people minimal will have a station for the bullet train to reach. While in Canada we're still discussing how a bullet train "could" benefit between Toronto to Montreal for well over a decade
SIX Frunkin’ decades!
13:08
"He (BYD CEO?) didn't seem worried about the American market, [saying] "we have plenty of other stuff to do"......."
This is what "the Americans" don't realise.
China is building the BRICS/ Belt and Road Initiative with The Global South.
That's 85% of the Global population.
Even of that population doesn't use Chinese EVs *yet* China has a market far greater than their ability to produce vehicles for the foreseeable future.
They can essentially wish USA "Good Luck" and ignore them (While taking US market share in the Global South countries)
Absolutely right.
Americans will 'Murica.
在2000年的时候我在中国农村的邻居在讨论中国加入世贸组织会让他们在农业上失业。工业上惨败，2024年他们在谈论美国如何傲慢的破坏贸易规则来让他们变得更穷😂
This show is my new Top Gear !
Who? Lol.
Great to have Robert in China 👍
are you sure?
So informative and funny at the same time….do more of this Bobbie and Elliot. Love it!😊
Great show guys. Elliot you need to do a video on the VW Santana in China, I know it’s not an EV but this will explain to people in the west just why VW and western brands in general are doing so badly in China. And why the Chinese are so keen on EV’s as the western brands were selling them such antiquated polluting technology for years. They sold the mk1 Santana for almost 40 years in China and just 4 years in Europe.
I'm trying to limit American influence from my life, I'm sick of their toxic views and hence the accents that deliver them, it's not easy.
19:18 the first bullet train in China was built in 2007 before the Beijing Olympics.
Well it’s very short to Tianjin. If you count those short ones, the first one is probably the 200km long Canton-Kowloon shuttle running @200kph that opened in 1998.
Ace! A new episode of Robert's Carpool show :)
Carpool non Karaoke
Can Elliot do a road trip in China to show the charging infrastructure outside of the major cities?
I live in one of the major's, and my hometown isn't, but the charging infrastructure is quite well laid there also, if you compare it to any city outside of Mainland China. Good enough for almost half of the population switch their ICE to EV, which is happening.
@zapfanzapfan He has just done one on his own YT channel called Elliot Richards on EVs. He went to the lovely Yunnan province with a UK friend in a luxury MPV provided by Zeekr. Have a look. He has several other trip videos.
I think electric vehicles are very suitable for the living environment in Western countries. Many people live in suburban, low-density areas, and it's very simple to install a charging station at home to charge their cars. My cousin lives in the remote area, and the nearest gas station is 32.5 kilometers away.
加装太阳能板完美组合😊
ev range is about double that.
The top three selling vehicles in Australia are the Ford Ranger, Toyota HiLux and Isuzu D Max. All dual cab utility vehicles. The BYD Shark is getting great reviews and at A$57K (29K pounds) should take a huge chunk of this segment. Some here in Australia were disappointed BYD went hybrid but in this market it was a no-brainer. BEVs make up only 6.4% of sales in Oz. Now BYD can get a slice of the other 93%.
plus they realised Ausi is a big place! having the ability to fill up with petrol when the situation arises, is a great marketing idea for this country.
This really felt like an O.G. Fully Charged Show when Robert would just drive people around. Those episodes were *13 years* ago!
This is such a good PODCAST, I enjoyed every minute of it
I saw a Zeeker X in a shopping centre on display in Brisbane Australia only this week.
Great video guys. Really enjoyed it.
I understand why they have introduced tariffs but the level indicated is counter productive, as for the buyers it feels like we're being punished for the lack of vision from the auto industry outside of china so I'm no fan of this chapter in trade and disappointed with the government's stance on this issue
Not being punished. Tortured!
The worse is for us in Canada. We do not really have an auto industry to "protect" but still put on the same tariff as the neighbour in the south.
@@josephdewuhan but US companies still have factories making vehicle parts in Canada.
Brilliant and eye opening.
Enjoying the Carpool crossover 😀
Just to clarify a couple of points about the BYD Shark 6. It has a few different EV/hybrid modes: it can go a claimed 100 km (in reality, maybe 80 km) pure EV mode (electric motors driving both axles) and the ICE can act as a generator to charge the battery (series hybrid) or, when travelling over 70 km/h, the ICE can drive the front wheels (parallel hybrid). The price in Australia is about the same as the cheapest version of the Ford Ranger, although the interior of the Shark has more bells and whistles and it is about as quick as a Ranger Raptor.
this is why I think all these Ausi comparison reviews with the Raptor are so funny, I have a wildtrak x, I cannot afford a raptor, (my daughter has one though ). The Shark is two thirds the price of the Raptor, that is because the Shark is made for more urban type living. Comparisons with the Mitsi or a D max would be more appropriate. But in the end, the main point is this, for most of your everyday driving you will not be polluting with your tail pipe. In the tray there are 3 x 240volt very handy outlets, there is more room in the back for passengers, and the electric motors drive all 4 wheels when required, which is most of the time. I have an ev and plug it in at home using a granny charger, the same could be used for the Shark if your daily drive is less than 60ks. Install a 7kw wall box if more range is required more often. In the last 2 years, my ev has cost me pennies in comparison to my wildtrak, plus, my recent 3 year service cost me $900 --- no off-roading, and low ks to boot!
I do feel I am being ripped off ( NZ ).
All tariff ever does is adding more money to the government coffers while making it more expensive for consumers.
But that's USA's free market!
sadly Americans aren't that bright, US govt just have to label it "freedom tariff", worked every single time. LOL
Car Share 2024! Loved it. You should do more like this.
Always enjoy listening to Elliot.
19:13 First line opened in August 2008
That was so interesting thanks
The worst part was not the period after Mao took over. The very worst suffering for the Chinese people was the 150 years before Mao took over. That was when the British, French, other Europeans and Japan inflicted the worst damage on China and the Chinese people.
Did the SpaceX Mechazilla booster catch really come out of nowhere?!
Wow, I must be a space nerd.... :D
Yes, I've found details of 'Chopstick' catching dating back at least three years - Robert & co must be buried deep in the Everything Electric bubble !
Yeah, it has been building for years for those who pay attention...
Really enjoyed this chat.
Thanks Robert, that was great!
That was a pleasant jolly around the M25
I noticed they had to keep opening their windows to clear out the condensation, do they not realised that they could turn on their aircon to stop condensation building up in their MG?
Of course not. They’re Brits!😂
Would the fan make too much noise for the dash mounted microphone?
Great podcast. I wish we had on our side of the Channel this kind of less Franco-centric view with a team and a correspondent in China who gives a real state of the Chinese economy and mindset from the inside instead of clichés from deep France!
Great conversation and it's very insightful.
Looking forward to Robert going to China.
Awesome video, just simply talking about EVs and China ❤❤❤
10:11 - Crikey, I did a double take there. I'll never fit my head through the door now!
Hi Guys great podcast from a long time China ex pat automotive engineer based in Shanghai, we also.have a Cyberster since Jan plus a model Y China is light years ahead its really affecting the.legcy OEM's here with no return to the past
Not seen many of yours but your most interesting yet
Very different
It's great to see China's manufacturers are prepared to release RHD EVs before LHD....that and the embargos from Europe and the USA id defenatlely need to take advantage of this in Australia, UK and other Commonwealth countries ..
there is more red tape in China when it comes to releasing a pick-up, hence the introduction into R/H drive pick up markets, and there are quite a few.
I have been enjoyed, so thank you for sharing.
The two Dynamic Duo back in Action . Love these 2 together 🥰🥰
Love the "day job" joke.😃
Welcome to a brand new episode of Carpool with Elliot Richards as the guest then. :) Gavin Shoebridge(KiwiEV) who did the review in NZ mentioned and has been on panels at Fully Charged Live in Sydney over the last 2 shows.
Gavin's review of the Shark is quite entertaining -- as usual.
Aust gov't just approved V2x... so en EV can power the home or provide to the grid
Nice!
it's very useful for camping or when natural disasters happen
as long as the ev is capable of bi-directional electron flow.
This is brilliant, I really enjoyed the casual sharing of knowledge. I did wonder if you could have sung a song.... Then call the segment "Car lift Karaoke" of something
I was quite surprised how audible it all was with the top down.
12:12) US pickup front? My revivifier is 5’ 7” several pickup “hoods” are taller than Doc’s eyes. At least one has a power step that zooms out for passengers. Holy Frunk! Rob you have to review one of these glaciers for UK viewers❤
Well this format brought back memories of ‘old’. Prius to Cyberster. There will still be people in 15-20 years time saying why do we bother with x-y-z when China pollutes so much. When, if we don’t get our act together, we’ll be the ones still burning sh*t!!
Throwback to the old Carpool days.
We can be bullied by Europe and America to introduce high tariffs for imported EV's from China.
America could come up with "if you want cheaper trade deals then you have to introduce higher tariffs for china"
Done. Oct 1st, Canada Gov kneeled to the bully - 100% tariff on EVs from China. Only impacts Tesla - run by a Frunkin’ Canadian. Cray - with a capital Zee!
i really want a Li Auto L6, it's like a personal sanctuary with air conditioning，massaging chair，big screen，awesome audio system and a refrigerator. you could drive it to some beautiful site and just sit in it enjoying the view with all the function running
Pickup trucks are not a popular type of vehicle in China. This may be the reason why BYD Shark is not sold in China.
I believe there's a regulation in China. Pickup trucks are considered commercial vehicles. They can't be driven without commercial driving licenses especially in their tier 1 cities. But then, commercial operators won't choose pickup trucks either because they aren't truly suited for commercial use.
@@alihms In China, pickup trucks are classified as micro commercial vehicles and are subject to many restrictions, such as: 1. They can only drive in the far right lane on highways and cannot exceed a speed of 100 km/h. 2. They are not allowed to enter city centers. 3. They must be scrapped after 15 years.
@@alihmsyou don't need commercial driving license to drive a pick up,but its registered as commercial vehicles.
@@张泰-m3l Even in NZ they are registered as a commercial vehicle, that does catch some people out when towing a trailer. If you go over 5 ks above the 90kmh speed limit, your booked!
@22:25 Good point about Tesla being only foreign car company in China without a JV. My guess is Chinese companies already had investment in Tesla Inc. at the time so an exemption was given.
We know Tencent, for example owned 6%, which is not insubstantial considering Musk only owns 13%. There may have been others we dont know.
Robert thanks for recording a video whilst driving along - you make your interviews far more interesting than your colleagues. I love your quirky comments. The cyber truck I am pretty sure they use the same material as the rockets are made out. Why? Because Elon wanted a low cost per unit for the rockets and the only way to do that was find a use for many tons of the same material hence the Cyber Truck. I sense the model 2 is currently cancelled. 2025 will be the revised Model Y.
40.20 do we have 60 GWh peak? i thought we rarely go above 40 GWh.
Excellent
That was fun!
HAPPY 🤗 YOU GOT TO USE THE CONVERTIBLE,AT LEAST A MINUTE OR TWO 😎💚💚💚
The USA has chosen, sadly for all but you can’t help them, history will judge there choices.
I guess you just have to live there to understand all the nuances.
Yay! Carpool is back ❤
Robert: "Elliot, the good news is that I'll give you a ride to the airport. Bad news, you're on the clock the whole way and we're reviewing a car and ALL THINGS CHINESE. Let's not forget some stupid American stunts, too." On the clock or not, it'd always be a pleasure to chat w you, Robert. (From the US.)
US should just allow the extra tariff refundable. 50% of extra tariff can be refunded once factory is built. Remaining 50% can be claimed 1yr after factory is fully operational.
I don't think BYD or any other Chinese EV brand has the USA on their Radar at the moment, First the USA isn't welcoming so making inroads will be pretty hard, secondly they have the whole World minus some EU states and USA and that is a pretty huge export market that these brands are catering to. So maybe when the rest of the world market has been catered to which may take some time then they will look towards the USA market.
Tariffs are paid by the local American based importing company/consumer and not the exporting car company from China so I am not sure how the refund will work in that way. Besides by making sufficient expensive it will reduce any interest in actually importing any cars in the first place
It’s not going to work since the Chinese manufacturers realize it’s so anti China in the USA.
Nobody wants to come to a hostile country to produce cars for them. Not worth it. China has been doing a favor to the US by exchanging their products made with sweat and labour for $ create out of thin air. The goal is to completely decouple. Thanks to Trump for accelerating that process.
Shame got me out of my 7 seater Skoda Kodiaq into an EV. I still needed room in the back for a big, occasionally soggy Golden Retriever so I got myself a Skoda Enyaq, which I love.
NIO and it's battery swap is a game changer. But these EU tariffs are a huge blocker for the Chinese EV manufacturers
Fast charge makes battery swap a complication and into history
@CheeseLovingGuy hmm, less than 4 minutes everytime? What about the benefits in being able to swap out an new, advanced battery on a 3+ year old car? What about the local power grid tapping into a swap station being peak grid usage? What about a failed battery in an EV? 😉 you don't have a clue 😀
Sounds cool
Unless NIO have a battery-swapping stations along all routes where you might need to replenish your battery, it's not a total solution.
I think battery-swapping could work for a shared fleet, stuff like delivery drivers and eBike couriers in an urban environment, or ride-share vehicles. That's assuming you can't recharge the existing battery during normal downtime.
People don't change their battery just because better batteries become available, they do it when their existing battery will no longer do what they need it to do, through long-term depletion or a fault crops up. Then it can be done at a garage, like having new tires put on. It doesn't need to be a 4 minute rush job.
@ziploc2000 of course it's a "total solution" as you can also use standard charging....
If you somehow get to Shenzhen next year, I'd like to meet up and talk about the show. Drinks are on me.
The BYD Shark 6 Ute is a plugin hybrid with a 30 kwh battery. It yas no mechanical drive, just front a rear electric drive motors, with a small 1.5 lter petrol engine. It has half the fuel consumption of equivalent legacy diesel utes and can run up too 100 kms electric only range.
At around the same price as a mid range Ford Ranger. Plus it will do zero to 100 kmh under 6 seconds.
will be released here in NZ in the early new year, have booked a test drive.
31:02. The Chinese driverless type bus that is guided by a metal spikes in ground “track” to me seems to relegate Tesla type self drive to the silliness bin imo. The good old KISS engineering principle in action. I just cant recall if your channel has shown it? That company has been in talks with the Auckland NZ Council as a much cheaper option to light rail. Just bang a bunch of metal spikes in and off you go ! Laurie. NZ. 😊
A fascinating pod cast! I worked in hong Kong 32 years ago before those pesky Chinese took it back from the UK! And another one , when I was 9 I was intrigued by the cutty sark. Now I realise us sneaking Brits built it to forge trade links with a massive continent the other side of the planet. It was not for tea, the canny brits invaded china by stealth! MGs are designed in London, we subcontract the boring build thing . Luckily my son was taught mandarin from out local state school.
It was good for my business in Brisbane at the time, we did internal window coverings and the people leaving Hong Kong were flooding into the country, buying up big. Luckily we had an interpreter on staff, made a huge difference,
US, Europe and Japan didn't just fall behind. Companies like GM, Toyota and VW but a lot of money and effort into making us fall behind, they didn't want to adapt so they hobbled the whole market.
Not wanting to be argumentative, but the reason for Cybertruck is government and company fleets. Everything from emergency service, forest rangers, local council workers, etc.
40:41 mmmm due you mean solar? Wind? Hydro? All of the above? Thanks. Laurie NZ. 😊
An old friend of yours Nikki from Transport Evolved who you used to go on test drives with in the UK, owns a Ford F150. Why didn't you ask her if you could borrow her F150 and go for a drive in it whilst the Transport Evolved crew were 'filming' Everything Electric Live in Vancouver.
more carpool interviews please!
Super
Who from the EV fraternity is actually lobbying the UK government to pull their finger out and court some manufacturers to build factories and infrastructure in the UK? With all the tariffs etc surely the UK should be attractive to build cars at scale again?
We (apparently) ARE talking to China.
It's out best (only?) strategy to recover from Brextwit.
@@rogerstarkey5390 That and hopefully the continued expansion of wind energy and fingers crossed tidal power (more consistent)
No. Kids, can you say, “Lucas Electrics?”
After the Nuclear Power cancellation, Huawei research cancellation, G4 and G5 cancellation......not being a trusted source etc, I don't think Chinese firms will be running to UK 😢,
@@rogerstarkey5390 Is the same Brextwit that means the UK doesn't have to impose tariffs on Chinese EV imports. 🤔🤡
BYD shark👍
Robert turn the AC on to de-mist the car 😄
I'm thinking the fan noise upset the dash mounted microphone.
Driving with the roof down is no bother when you don't have hair to be blown about (I speak from experience).😎
But the sun beating down on you can be deadly!
Elon came up with the chopstick idea personally and they made it happen, nice rant
You can tell Bob’s thinking is very much influenced by his consumption of UK media, some short pregnant pauses when Elliot was too polite to say anything 😂, it’s interesting interaction between the two, Elliot has stayed too long in China 😊and behaving more like Chinese, agreeable and just chat along the direction where Bob was heading 😅😅😅.
What did you do today dear? Oh, drove around the Thames Valley talking to my imaginary friend who admired my doors. Chinese holograms are brilliant these days! That's nice dear.
BYD shark should be banned across Europe, at least for sale to individuals rather than businesses. It looks nice for a truck considerably better than a Cybertruck but Europe doesn't need more trucks whether they are electric, hybrid or not.
Talking about Chinese “cultural revolution”. I think we should start from the “Opium wars” from the British.
Aluminium consumption is increasing exponential because its cheap. Why are we not capturing the emissions from the smelting process now & not in the future?
actually the first line of bullet train in china was during 2008 beijing olympics.
Does the car not have defrost? Windows are all fogged up.
27:15 interestingly, as a resident of the San Francisco Bay area where Teslas are extremely common, about half of the truck drivers I have seen were women
Some people will hate Elon, and there's no changing that. But there's also people who are grateful for what he's done and will do. That's me. Elon Musk is clearly changing the world for the better. From Tesla, SpaceX, Neurolink, X and the Boring Company. Elon and his teams are making a massive innovative positive difference in the world. Musks companies are all built in the name of Philanthropy, Elon and his companies have great talent and continue to progress despite despair, critics, and roadblocks. Elon and his companies are leading the world to a very exiting future. They know what they are doing and it's clearly working. The lesson people should learn is "Don't bet against Elon", you should remember that. I can't wait for them to prove some people wrong, I mean, they are proving people wrong now so...there's no more I can say! You just don't get it, I'm sorry. You are great people and this is a great channel, but I can't just sit back and not say something; don't take it the wrong way.
"Why didnt Tesla make the cybertruck more like a rivian, it would have sold better!'
Meanwhile, cybertruck is outselling both Rivian and F150 lightning combined. Do these guys have any clue?
I think their point is that instead of making more affordable electric vehicles as per their mission. They focused on another extravagant unaffordable car only for the rich or Americans. I'm a big Tesla fanboy, but you must see the other perspective. Arguably they would have sold much more worldwide with a different car. However to push the boundaries of manufacturing and design, Elon pushes ahead with cybertruck probably against many peoples advice. Ego? Or 200IQ move?
@@mcswainy I feel like that's a detail many critics of the Cybertruck seem to miss, they acknowledge all the "cool tech" like the new 48v arch., steer by wire, etc. but then don't understand why not go straight into the cheaper model.
We know Tesla uses these more extravagant experiments (which clearly do well) and then apply everything they learn from it into a cheaper model. That's literally how S/X worked for 3 (i.e. "the master plan"), so why not do it again? They've got many good things learned from 3/Y, now use CT as the experiment for what they can safely push in the next gen which ultimately gets us to Model 2 territory (while Tesla can stay comfortably in the green).
It gives them time to mature the 4860s, get their castings ready, and with their recent LVCS stuff I'm sure they'd love to get the industry on board to further help drive their own costs down. I think they know a sub 25K would sell like crazy, makes sense to plan accordingly to meet demand, even if it means taking time (slowly from our view) to put all the pieces into place.
In north america, a plugin hybrid is the way to go. I cancelled my reservation of a cybertruck because the range is simply not enough for me to drive to my cabin (550km one way) without charging ( in Canada going to the wilderness, charging facilities are next to nonexistent.) Only a plugin hybrid truck like BYD shark can give you such a range.
@mcswainy definitely a 200IQ move, the Cybertruck is magnetic; it catches people's attention! What a way to get people learning about Tesla!! The pickup market in the US is big and its better people driving around in a Cybertruck than a diesel burning F350. That's another thing, Robert keeps saying that why can't Tesla make a lower priced model instead of the Cybertruck? But then sings absolute praise for Jim Farley and the F150 Lightning, but no criticism on them not making a lower cost model.
Also, Tesla are making more affordable models early next year. + You will be able to buy a Cybercab for $25,000 but it just won't have steering wheel and pedals. Automany is coming! It's not a distraction like Elliot says in the video, it's the future and they showed that.
Whilst I love ev's and fully intend to make the move soon I am worried about the UK's political relationship with China, which if it deteriorates, would make Chinese cars a massive liability due to sanctions etc.
Robert - What is so funny about US and China? Us folks in the states are not in a humorous mood this week.
Fossil fools are free, ..as everyone knows.
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The market for legacy automakers has dried up in China so i cannot see how tariffs will affect them.
Tesla did their joint venture with Toyota, in Fremont I think?
There was a joint venture between GM and Toyota which ended and Toyota sold off the Freemont factory cheaply to Tesla:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Fremont_Factory
@eddymaddix1786 Tesla made the electric RAV4 I think and Toyota owned 10% of Tesla and Daimler did too in 2008