UPDATE (good news): this video is no longer copyright claimed by Games Workshop. This was cleared up in emails with the GW legal team; apparently it was flagged in error. Thanks for all your support everyone, you've all shown me a lot of kindness, and I really appreciate it.
Funny, cos you made a very fair and unbiased review. I was warming to the platform...but then their action immediately reaffirms the negative stereotype about GWs behaviour.
Push back on it. For my sins, I have stumbled into the music reaction/deconstruction UA-cam rabbit hole (Rick Beato, The Charismatic Voice, Geebz etc) and takedowns and strikes are rife there and it’s all basically fair use. From their videos on the subject it seems that if you put the effort in then this can normally be reversed, if only because companies automate this sorta thing and don’t have the time to argue about it: they just throw them out knowing most of them will stick. That people are too scared to fight. Also I wonder what the story would be here for people who do have arrangements with James like you used too: are they getting these things?
Of course that's what it is!! Ha ha - I didn't make the connection and just thought Guy was either getting into mascara or the twins had been sleeping badly! xD
The bit about no credits for animations makes me livid. The people who put time and effort into these projects deserve some recognition for it, and GW is apparently to selfish even for that. I knew I wasn’t going to subscribe for other reasons, but that just super reinforces my choice.
GW doesn't credit because "fans" harass the people if they don't like something in it. It originated from when Matt Ward got death threats over the SM codex ( That was originally going to be a pure UM codex)
@@alexstratford278 I used to know who wrote each codex and story, who sculpted each mini and who painted or drew each artwork. I miss those days deeply.
Regarding being announced "ages ago": Noticed how Darren Lathams channel went down when WH+ went live? And how he announced that his channel would have to go down (i don't remember exactly) at the beginning of 2020? I assume that's when they planned to release it and then COVID and stuff happened. Just a thought that crossed my mind.
I've been an actor and I've worked in animation, so hearing that there's no creator credits is both astounding and troubling. I can't help but feel that the management psychology currently manifest at Games Workshop is laying down filaments now for the gordian knot(s) of the future - all entirely self-inflicted.
GW doesn't credit because "fans" harass the people if they don't like something in it. It originated from when Matt Ward got death threats over the SM codex ( That was originally going to be a pure UM codex)
@@alexstratford278 that may well be the rationalisation for not giving due credit, but as a blanket excuse - when everything prior was credited - it's truly infantile.
@@nbell63 That codex was released in 2008, to my understanding they stopped putting it in books that weren't already printing. Its not an excuse, its a more than a decade old policy that still has use today, just look at the abuse SODAZ suffered from the community on the rumour he was in talks with GW
@@alexstratford278 you dont see Disney or Netflix not putting credits to their shows. People hate on many of them and they STILL put credits in. Also I am sure the ones who re did He-man were more hated than any animator might be and they still were named. No excuses
@@DeadWayfes Eh, it's a policy that to my knowledge has been in place for over a decade. And in that time it's to my knowledge prevented another Matt Ward like issue. Is it something I'm conflicted on? Yes, I'd like to see the creators get credit but also don't want them being harassed. As GW have taken this avenue as a general policy and it seems to work I guess they've gone with it. And honestly the recent issue with SODAZ has kind of confirmed that its still an issue in the community.
The credits is a real breaking point for me. The artists' and writers of this stuff should be able too point at these credits and have the acknowledgment they deserve.
But seriously: why, in the Emperor's name, aren't all codexes freely available digitally for a single purchase? Codexes and all the rule books are so prohibitively expensive, it's extremely daunting for people just getting into 40k
'Codexes and all the rule books are so prohibitively expensive', this answers your question. GW know that there is a very loyal fanbase who will always buy the books come the next edition.
I appreciate the verdict on Warhammer + Guy. I’m in the “meh, nah” camp, myself. It just doesn’t have anything i see of value, plus the bad feels GW has cultivated has made me at the very best have a wait and see attitude. Thanks for checking it out for us, though!
Hilariously, in the most recent battle report they forgot the Blood Angels entire chapter tactic of +1 to wound in melee. They also forgot inferno pistols are d6+2 with it half range and that sanguinary guard are -1 to hit in combat.
Not even GW can get all their rules right. Only goes to prove that the paper-rules-bloat is not the way to go. Back to datasheets and warscrolls, please.
They have been known to notoriously suck at playing their own game with lots mistakes. They are casual players on their reports, not rules masters/competitive players.
With the other subscriptions that I have, I’m just not interested in adding to yet another fee for Warhammer+ I hope that those that do get it enjoy it at least. Sucks that the animation creators are not getting credit 😕 Thank you for the video as it helped me solidify my choice.
GW stopped to credit authors time ago to avoid these authors being harrased in real life by "fans" that disagreed with their takes on lore or rules published in Codices
@@yagsipcc287 they aren't claiming it now. It is something they have been doing for years, before this controversy, because the authors of some codices were being harrased IRL if that Codices weren't seen as "good" by the rabid fans. Sodaz was already harrased to not join them. I'm pretty sure that the toxic cess pool of rabid nerds that this community is, would have done similar to any author joining "the enemy".
@@gustavotriqui Honestly, we can only guess why they don't credit their creators. Matt Ward hasn't been with GW for years, and the leadership that was around when he was are gone. GW is a pretty opaque company in a lot of ways, and they frequently don't explain why they do things. Without disagreeing with the possibility of your explanation, my guess was because they are considered "work for hire" so that they aren't eligible for any royalties. The novel authors, on the other hand, probably have credit (and royalties) written into their contracts.
The thing about credit is, in most media, like big ups Hollywood, individuals animate scenes. But in this case they've just outsourced an animation company. GW doesn't know the name of the random ass minimum wage collage student who animated it. They just know the company, who they do credit.
That would be an Uno reverse card if GW got caught using peoples music without proper copyright legislation or without proper marking and they had to pay up... At that point they probably couldn't do anything but letting people do their fanart or animations off the hook and release the Astartes guy back onto UA-cam as an independent artist xD
They are lucky the herbert estate never came after them, besides games workshop was only borrowing “the god emperor of mankind, the imperium, lasgun, psychic navigator’s total banning of artificial intelligence in a far distant future setting fanatical super soldier’s and the god emperor going on a jihad across the stars oh and a fanatically devoted all female army... honestly games workshop are complete hypocrite’s for destroying smaller projects of love when they copied just about everything from other franchises.
@@emdeo GW stole far more than that just that and changes it just enough to claim legal safety. If you took all of the stuff you can tell is clearly copied because of their lack of creativity warhammer 40k ceases to exist.
@@claytonkickflip7595 You mean like ripping off elder, the emperor of man, lascannons, space marines, ornithopters, and probably more, then suing people for using those same labels...yeah, thievery...imagine.
I think this whole "no credits for anyone" is just a symptom of GW becoming more corporate. There must be some legal thing to it aswell with putting someone's name to something.
No corporation does this. Its far from industry standard. This is just GW being GW. "Fuck you pay me". Absolute cunts and they will never see a penny from me. Pirate and 3d printer city. If i can even muster the interest to play their game anymore. I could make more coherent rules for 2 armys in 1 day.
In a vacuum, I definitely would've been interested for only $5. I'm afraid I'm in the 'nah' crowd, though. I can't see past the negative context and missed potential WH+ represents. My decision was made quite awhile ago, but I appreciate the review nonetheless. Had I been on the fence about it, the credits thing would've been the deal breaker for me - that's abhorrent.
@@MagnusMoerkoereJohannesen it's a thing they stopped doing after Matt Ward started getting all the hate, iirc, so on codecies, I kind of get it, but these are big (supposedly) well funded projects, that just isn't acceptable
@@Scrombo2 I think its just a general policy now. And TBH considering what happened with SODAZ and the rumor of him being hired getting him massively harassed? I don't blame them for this
@@notalpharius4553 I don't remember GW harassing him until he quit 40k animations all together. GW was slow sure. But it wasn't GW who harassed him. It was the community. Same as the people who harassed Matt Ward for writing a bad codex and sent death threats. The community was the shittiest ones in both instances. Ergo the policy they instituted after the Matt Ward stuff to avoid it happening again
The first thing I noticed on the free view of the ork show was no credits to the people behind it. I'm big on giving people credit they're due. That took me off the fence with subscribing and confirmed to me it wasn't worth shilling out for.
How about paying $9 once for all the rules for your army, including any rules updates or new models, for the duration of the current game edition? And maybe we could include a full rulebook in the app as well. You know, like Privateer Press already does.
Speaking of Copy Right Laws, there are actual political parties based solely (well they now started to broaden their political beliefs) on reforming copyright laws, known as “Pirate Parties” and one of them is doing quite well in Czechia.
Czechia? If it is the country I think it is, it wont matter as long as youre in the EU because those laws will always overwrite domestic laws in terms of copyright.
@@damnright1968 Lots of EU countries don’t follow every rule the EU makes. Plus if they win in Czechia, they may win in more EU countries (as there’s lots of them in different countries) and then vote for it at an EU level
The fact that they dont put credits to their animated productions, something basic regarding this kind of creative works, is a good indicator of the kind of ethics promoted by this company
I think its prob company policy, i remember hearing about mattward and how the community basically harrased him and since then no auhtor names on the codexs and rules anymore
Very classy take on the music. I'm sure others will have their opinion on what you should do or not do. But I for one respect your nonchalant attitude to something the corporate giant would have any full legal about.
Watching the live stream the other night was a bit like a behind the scenes for this episode, now the black metal makeup makes sense! Thanks for the commentry Guy, if your opinion changes please let us know.
I saw on Reddit that this video got demonetized. I liked it though and subscribed to your channel, so hopefully theres enough of us to make up for it a little bit.
I love your videos man. Always positive, open and honest. I only play Blood Bowl these days and rarely paint as much as I would like. But I started on 40k back in '93 and collected Blood Angels (and fondly remember that early White Dwarf Battle report Blood Angels vs Orcs).
From the first scene of this video and I can already tell that fatherhood is hitting our boy hard. Wishing you and Penny all the best and I hope the twins aren't wearing on you too much!
Already pointed out in another post. AFAIK, they started doing so a few years ago, because authors were being harrased by the community. After what happened to SODAZ, I feel this is a safety measure needed.
Even bigger youtubers with teams have credits lately. That GW can't be arsed speaks volumes about how little they care for and respect the artists on their team.
So, as far as reading back issues of WD and list building, the "non-commercial" versions are still better? I'm absolutely shocked. Also, the best 40k animation is still Dawn of War opening cinematics.
All issues (and there are many) with current copyright law aside, if people are able to make a claim based on two or three notes/chords we're going to need more lawyers.
guy love the channel buddy. i dont paint gw models any more. i started building gundam models and cant get enough. But i did paint an airfix kit over Christmas an it looks not bad. i used acrylic paint and some tips i got on here. Next is to tackle a gundam.
Nice balanced review, makes a change from the polarising 100% negative or ‘GW can do no wrong’ type viewpoints. Glad the copyright shenanigans got ironed out 👍
I dont even know If it's legal too not credit people in any movie/media. That's why Hollywood movies even credit the janitors and stuff. Any person contributing to the production must be credited
Honestly even if I would support gw after their recent bad news, I don't have the time for all of that. Iam happy I can paint and watch you or another creator while also working full time :D
That's honestly my biggest takeaway here. I'd be okay if, in charging Disney+ prices, they provided Disney+ type original content. They don't need to release "Avengers" level stuff, but at least charge for something more than a fan animation.
Fun to hear your opinions. Glad they didn't steal your music. I havent subscribed yet because I'll wait until Louise's series is all finished its first season so to speak and rhen binge them all in a month.
I don't think pointing out the fact that all of the materials from a Warhammer+ subscription are split across multiple platforms is a 'nitpick' as you mentioned. It's a major problem with the service so far. As a subscriber, there absolutely needs to be a central repository for everything that comes with the service.
i decided to opt in, took me half an hour and a reedit search to get on. some of the stuff is good, blood angels stuff is good, painting videos so far are great totally agree with you there mate. still need to give the bat reps a go :)
Can you tell me when you sub, how do you access all the "plus" content as I did a search in Play store and nothing is coming up for "Warhammer+", just the 40k app and WH-TV app. So I'm thinking it's a webpage not an app?
@@murraysminis9390 it's the fact they constantly refer to "The App" oh well I took the plunge for a year, just haven't had the opportunity to check it out. Downloaded WH-TV on the Fire Stick so I can watch content on the big screen 😁
I get the feeling that Games Workshop are becoming (or are) like the Google of the miniature war gaming hobby, in the sense that they do what they want, whether something was popular or not they will go ahead or remove it because they want to. Personally I find the old painting charts very useful, the one with the Space Marine backpack painted up using either layers or drybrush, just so quick and easy to get some paint on there without having to think about it too much, but they were replaced by the painting app which is finicky and relies on having a screen to look at rather than just a few printed pages. It sounds like Warhammer+ will be the same - content will change, things that people use might be removed at any time, and I think that's the wrong way to go about such a service. If it had micro transactions for additional things such as access to the entire back catalogue of White Dwarf issues in crisp high definition with a print option, that would be good and might even entice me in, but being at the whim of the current management as to what they want me to see? Nah.
I think the reason they don't do credits anymore is due to the old SM codex and Matt Ward, he got death threats and IIRC he quit writing about 40k for a few years due to harassment and even today his name alone brings up a lot of vitriol. While credits are nice, and I'd love to know who did what at the end of the day if it means that people get harassed and death threats due to them? I'd rather they were skipped like they do now.
Thank you, I was looking for a comment that mentioned Mat Ward. Otherwise I would have written it myself xD And don't forget that some publications were "credited" to Mat Ward by the community even though hasn't written them.
it might just be me who noticed this but guy had some black substence in his eye my guess is that he filmed the cake bit first then recorded the rest and he must not have been able to remove all the makeup from his eyes
The issue with thinking that people just want rules is that you forget why people get into the hobby in the first place. Plainly speaking, I know of no one who got into the hobby because of the rules or because they wanted to win every tournament, and I doubt this is the case for you Guy. In comes the lore, the fluff, the 50-90% of the army book (codex or battletome) that gets bashed for being around. The story of the setting, the characters and the horrifying monstrosities come to life through the lore. This is what makes people stay. Not the rules. Not the plastic. The stories.
I came in because of the lore, but the farther away GW gets from it's core and the lore tabletop wise the more I look for their older rules systems that are more thematic and lore friendly. Case in point, if they published the old Battlefleet Gothic rules or any of the old unsupported specialist games it might actually get me to buy in
Well, it IS a big hobby and different people like different parts of it, ignore some completely and stay for their own reasons. I know plenty of people who love the hobby for all kinds of different reasons. In the grim darkness of the far future there is not only lore!
As I'm a painter and not a player since years (I went to the upper levels, playing RPG, not wargames ;-) ), I was only interested in the animation. Recently, various styles and approaches on the Net and UA-cam in particular were awesome. Due to the launch of W+, many shows or videos were cancelled or deleted. And so I was curious and was waiting the new arrival of GW animation videos. With the free trial, I discovered the first episode, and sorry, it was below any normal standarts (story weird, characters simplified, poor animation -not really animation, no real tension). Compared to a SODAZ normal video, wow, what a shame. Compared to a ultra funny and witty TTS, what a bummer. As for painting, well, much more artists and painters on the Internet are more interesting than the offical ones. I even prefer you guys of Midwinter Minis to the officla GW channel (funnier, cosier and much more honest), not to speak about the others (Trovarion, Nijon, Marco, Squidmar, Miniac...). So, paying a quite significant amount of money per month for not so much is really annoying, due to the consequences GW is bringing to the fans and community with copyrights and such. Anyway, nice video, thanks for sharing!
Not only do I have my own pile of shame my Dad just found some boxes of napoleonic troops in the allotment shed, so now I'm having to work through his pile of shame too - one of them is from 1989, it's almost as old as me!!
Do you know if the copyright claim was launched by UA-cam's automated services or was it done manually by GW? Somewhat changes the morality of the issue.
Guy: You too, by the looks of it. Look at all that grey plastic. Me, who has never had a single warhammer model, and only has some old Бронепехота(a russian wargame from the early 2000s) minis: ...uhm, yeah... for shame
@@alid5383 Last time I checked Balder doesnt narrate the Black Library. And obviously I do support him or I wouldn't instantly subscribe to WH+ because of him....
reading the desc. (as usual, you can't *not* read the desc.) and thought "Midwinter Minis and the UA-cam Audio Library" sounded like a kid punk band that was popular while you just on your way out of junior high.
I know it's a different business model and different sized company, but it's worth mentioning that Wyrd Games (makers of Malifaux et al) provide pretty much all of this for free, all of the rules for every model they've made in Malifaux, right there in the app, free. Audio-book quality lore podcasts, free. Actual real PDFs of the rules and cards, free. In depth painting tutorials, free. Of course this is at a lower volume, and for fewer games with smaller fan bases, but it's interesting to see that some companies view content as an advert for their game, and others see it as a product to sell.
Yeah, it's sad when the unofficial stuff is better than the licensed goods. Have a Volks kit that makes me regret not taking the advice to buy the bootleg kit over official kit... (don't get me wrong, creators need their dues, but, man, it seems like a trend that the official is lesser in quality than the unofficial)
Guy. I dont know if you’ll read this but I found the piece of music that GW have taken the “chime” sound that plays when the sliding Warhammer logo plays at the start of every GW video. It is the first and last note of the piece titled Century from Really Slow Motion. I wonder if they licensed or ripped it?
An honest review would have included a comparison to other streaming services. There is only so much a family can afford. Seriously. Compare the price to a years sub of Disney+ that will be launching full feature movies with equally (some would say better!) geeky sci-fi material. Book of Boba and Kenobi coming soon. It really makes Warhammer+ an overpriced service that´ll will unsupported for years, if going by how utterly bad GW handled the first year of the App,which is still ridden with bugs that GW refuses to fix.
This really is an important point, with the amount of streaming Services that already exists almost everyone I know is atleast subscribed to one or two. I won't increase my monthly streaming budget by a third for a hobby that mostly happens "offline" for me. No offense to anyone who wants to have it of course.
I've got a mate who has done some work on audio books and with the new Warhammer+ (he's a voice actor). He's never had anything bad to say, he was chuffed he got to work with Brian Blessed, and he never complains about going to conventions to talk to fans. I haven't spoken to him recently but I know he's on the "protective" side when it comes to credits. He likes credits as it's a good way for him and other voice actors/artists to pick up work from other companies. I didn't know how he feels about GW removing all credits (they use to give them) but I doubt he'll be happy (unless they're paying him loads!).
I appreciate your calm and balanced look at Warhammer+, but I'm not convinced. The cons far outweigh the pros for me. Commissar Gamza is absolutely correct that they're desperate to get people to buy it despite it being fairly redundant considering everything they're offering with it can be supplied better by the fans. I would have said models are an exception but that ain't true anymore, innit?
I feel personally called out by your last comment. :( But I agree with everything you said about WH+: animation is meh, gameplay and painting is great, vault is okay but lacks features. But most of all… no full screen!!
Honestly, for me, the only thing I was looking forward to from Warhammer + was the Exodite, and more Astartes....so..I still don't even know if it's worth it..for me, at least.
Tried using the app. I liked it, but soon realized that not all the Stat blocks are correct. In the App it lists flamestorm and boltstorm agressors as costing the same, when boltstorm agressors are going to cost you an extra 5 pts a model. Seems like a pretty idiotic oversight considering even battlescribe got it right first try.
I think the reason for not giving credit comes from people like Matt Ward, who obviously had problems with their codex, but not giving credit in animation is worrying, it's not just one person it's an entire group effort
Neither were those codices a one man project, it was just the practice for GW to print the lead designer in a prominent spot. A not very well thought out practice to be sure, a team effort should always be credited as such as is the standard in virtually EVERY other industry
@@noblegalifreyan4551 In the codices they are giving NO credit whatsoever (not even for translations in other languages, which, having worked as a translator, is a big NO-NO). I am astounded that so many people are willing to glance over that but are even surprised with the animations. It's not acceptable in either area. What does the credit for "the team" say then?
I wonder, too...they did go after that fanmade animations. And some people were wondering when GW would go after battle reports. Maybe don't say these things too loudly to give GW "ideas".
UPDATE (good news): this video is no longer copyright claimed by Games Workshop. This was cleared up in emails with the GW legal team; apparently it was flagged in error. Thanks for all your support everyone, you've all shown me a lot of kindness, and I really appreciate it.
very typical corporate abuse of the abysmal copyright laws
Funny, cos you made a very fair and unbiased review. I was warming to the platform...but then their action immediately reaffirms the negative stereotype about GWs behaviour.
That sucks :(
Push back on it. For my sins, I have stumbled into the music reaction/deconstruction UA-cam rabbit hole (Rick Beato, The Charismatic Voice, Geebz etc) and takedowns and strikes are rife there and it’s all basically fair use. From their videos on the subject it seems that if you put the effort in then this can normally be reversed, if only because companies automate this sorta thing and don’t have the time to argue about it: they just throw them out knowing most of them will stick. That people are too scared to fight. Also I wonder what the story would be here for people who do have arrangements with James like you used too: are they getting these things?
Maybe you can hit them back with a copyright strike for using almost identical music without crediting you
I can tell that you washed off the cultist makeup right before filming the rest lol. Its a nice effect.
Of course that's what it is!! Ha ha - I didn't make the connection and just thought Guy was either getting into mascara or the twins had been sleeping badly! xD
The bit about no credits for animations makes me livid. The people who put time and effort into these projects deserve some recognition for it, and GW is apparently to selfish even for that. I knew I wasn’t going to subscribe for other reasons, but that just super reinforces my choice.
GW doesn't credit because "fans" harass the people if they don't like something in it. It originated from when Matt Ward got death threats over the SM codex ( That was originally going to be a pure UM codex)
Not even crediting artist is peak selfish pettiness. Fuck them for that. I’m not going to fault the artists. But they were fools.
@@alexstratford278
I used to know who wrote each codex and story, who sculpted each mini and who painted or drew each artwork.
I miss those days deeply.
@@alexstratford278 Do you have any examples? I'm not sure how to track them down specifically.
It really shows the true colors of GW. It's pathetic, honestly.
Regarding being announced "ages ago": Noticed how Darren Lathams channel went down when WH+ went live? And how he announced that his channel would have to go down (i don't remember exactly) at the beginning of 2020? I assume that's when they planned to release it and then COVID and stuff happened. Just a thought that crossed my mind.
Veeeery astute!
Same thing with the guy who did Astartes. GW must've bought their previous content as well as the job. Hope they got paid well.
I was on part 3 of painting my Lord of Blights using his Masterclass. I even bought ever single paint he uses during the class. What a let down.
@@Gorbachoph there is a channel with all his videos. Search theRealDarrenLatham on youtube. All the videos are there
@@Gorbachoph I did the same thing. I think I bought more paint for that model than I have for my entire army.
I've been an actor and I've worked in animation, so hearing that there's no creator credits is both astounding and troubling.
I can't help but feel that the management psychology currently manifest at Games Workshop is laying down filaments now for the gordian knot(s) of the future - all entirely self-inflicted.
GW doesn't credit because "fans" harass the people if they don't like something in it. It originated from when Matt Ward got death threats over the SM codex ( That was originally going to be a pure UM codex)
@@alexstratford278 that may well be the rationalisation for not giving due credit, but as a blanket excuse - when everything prior was credited - it's truly infantile.
@@nbell63 That codex was released in 2008, to my understanding they stopped putting it in books that weren't already printing. Its not an excuse, its a more than a decade old policy that still has use today, just look at the abuse SODAZ suffered from the community on the rumour he was in talks with GW
@@alexstratford278 you dont see Disney or Netflix not putting credits to their shows. People hate on many of them and they STILL put credits in. Also I am sure the ones who re did He-man were more hated than any animator might be and they still were named. No excuses
@@DeadWayfes Eh, it's a policy that to my knowledge has been in place for over a decade. And in that time it's to my knowledge prevented another Matt Ward like issue. Is it something I'm conflicted on? Yes, I'd like to see the creators get credit but also don't want them being harassed. As GW have taken this avenue as a general policy and it seems to work I guess they've gone with it. And honestly the recent issue with SODAZ has kind of confirmed that its still an issue in the community.
Hey! Its not just grey plastic! I have plenty of unpainted white metal and resin too thank you very much
Is Guy wearing eyeliner this entire video or is it just me?
Guyliner
Not intentionally. I recorded the bit with black metal facepaint first, and as it turns out, I'm not very good at taking off makeup.
Those are eyebags from all the sleepless nights with the twins
I noticed this. I think it looks good to be honest
Wow wow wow... stop right there. If Louise Sugden can wear eyeliner, so can Guy!
The credits is a real breaking point for me. The artists' and writers of this stuff should be able too point at these credits and have the acknowledgment they deserve.
But seriously: why, in the Emperor's name, aren't all codexes freely available digitally for a single purchase? Codexes and all the rule books are so prohibitively expensive, it's extremely daunting for people just getting into 40k
££££££££££££££££££
'Codexes and all the rule books are so prohibitively expensive', this answers your question. GW know that there is a very loyal fanbase who will always buy the books come the next edition.
Is this your first time with GW?
@@alid5383 I wish
Same reason Wizards of the Coast does this with Dungeons and Dragons' manual: LOADSAMONEY
Wholeheartedly agree, if Louise ever did pull a Duncan, I think she'd do really well for herself.
And Duncan is doing really well. His website is super friendly and supportive, great content and he's launching his own paints.
@@dyansis I'm very pleasantly surprised at the large amount of success Duncan appears to be having after going solo.
something tells me there's a pretty hefty non-compete clause in her contract after what happened to duncan
I appreciate the verdict on Warhammer + Guy. I’m in the “meh, nah” camp, myself. It just doesn’t have anything i see of value, plus the bad feels GW has cultivated has made me at the very best have a wait and see attitude. Thanks for checking it out for us, though!
Hilariously, in the most recent battle report they forgot the Blood Angels entire chapter tactic of +1 to wound in melee. They also forgot inferno pistols are d6+2 with it half range and that sanguinary guard are -1 to hit in combat.
Not even GW can get all their rules right.
Only goes to prove that the paper-rules-bloat is not the way to go.
Back to datasheets and warscrolls, please.
They have been known to notoriously suck at playing their own game with lots mistakes. They are casual players on their reports, not rules masters/competitive players.
I can't help but feel discouraged by this. I mean, what hope do WE have if even GW workers can't keep the rules straight??
HOW
Bringing a new version into the mix of "Rules as Written" vs "Rules as Intended" with "Rules as Remembered"
"Look at all that grey plastic. For shame."
I'M TRYING, OK?!?!? 😭
Doing my best, but there's so much.....
@@lpurches One step down , only a few more to go.
I feel personally attacked...
With the other subscriptions that I have, I’m just not interested in adding to yet another fee for Warhammer+
I hope that those that do get it enjoy it at least.
Sucks that the animation creators are not getting credit 😕
Thank you for the video as it helped me solidify my choice.
GW stopped to credit authors time ago to avoid these authors being harrased in real life by "fans" that disagreed with their takes on lore or rules published in Codices
@@yagsipcc287 they aren't claiming it now. It is something they have been doing for years, before this controversy, because the authors of some codices were being harrased IRL if that Codices weren't seen as "good" by the rabid fans. Sodaz was already harrased to not join them. I'm pretty sure that the toxic cess pool of rabid nerds that this community is, would have done similar to any author joining "the enemy".
@@noblegalifreyan4551 it's never ok to harass someone like that. I really hope that was just poor phrasing on your part.
@@gustavotriqui Honestly, we can only guess why they don't credit their creators. Matt Ward hasn't been with GW for years, and the leadership that was around when he was are gone. GW is a pretty opaque company in a lot of ways, and they frequently don't explain why they do things.
Without disagreeing with the possibility of your explanation, my guess was because they are considered "work for hire" so that they aren't eligible for any royalties. The novel authors, on the other hand, probably have credit (and royalties) written into their contracts.
The thing about credit is, in most media, like big ups Hollywood, individuals animate scenes. But in this case they've just outsourced an animation company. GW doesn't know the name of the random ass minimum wage collage student who animated it. They just know the company, who they do credit.
"It's similar but not the same"
In the same way the bassline for Vanilla Ice's Ice Ice Baby is similar to Queen's Under Pressure but not the same
That would be an Uno reverse card if GW got caught using peoples music without proper copyright legislation or without proper marking and they had to pay up... At that point they probably couldn't do anything but letting people do their fanart or animations off the hook and release the Astartes guy back onto UA-cam as an independent artist xD
They'll pull a pickup 2 card by saying, "but it wasn't 3d printed by a third-party".
They are lucky the herbert estate never came after them, besides games workshop was only borrowing “the god emperor of mankind, the imperium, lasgun, psychic navigator’s total banning of artificial intelligence in a far distant future setting fanatical super soldier’s and the god emperor going on a jihad across the stars oh and a fanatically devoted all female army... honestly games workshop are complete hypocrite’s for destroying smaller projects of love when they copied just about everything from other franchises.
@@ka1juhunt3r you think any of those are copyrightable?
@@emdeo pretty close to sue for plagiarism.
@@emdeo GW stole far more than that just that and changes it just enough to claim legal safety. If you took all of the stuff you can tell is clearly copied because of their lack of creativity warhammer 40k ceases to exist.
If they release something worth watching, I’ll head over to pirate bay.
Imagine being a thief
@@claytonkickflip7595 You mean like ripping off elder, the emperor of man, lascannons, space marines, ornithopters, and probably more, then suing people for using those same labels...yeah, thievery...imagine.
@@mattbell5602 Imagine trying to justify your thievery by blaming other’s thievery
@@claytonkickflip7595 I don’t have to imagine it, I live in the US
I think this whole "no credits for anyone" is just a symptom of GW becoming more corporate. There must be some legal thing to it aswell with putting someone's name to something.
No corporation does this. Its far from industry standard. This is just GW being GW. "Fuck you pay me". Absolute cunts and they will never see a penny from me. Pirate and 3d printer city. If i can even muster the interest to play their game anymore. I could make more coherent rules for 2 armys in 1 day.
@@CloudianMH konami does this with yugioh
In a vacuum, I definitely would've been interested for only $5. I'm afraid I'm in the 'nah' crowd, though. I can't see past the negative context and missed potential WH+ represents.
My decision was made quite awhile ago, but I appreciate the review nonetheless. Had I been on the fence about it, the credits thing would've been the deal breaker for me - that's abhorrent.
Same. Lack of proper credits is dodgy as hell!
@@MagnusMoerkoereJohannesen it's a thing they stopped doing after Matt Ward started getting all the hate, iirc, so on codecies, I kind of get it, but these are big (supposedly) well funded projects, that just isn't acceptable
@@Scrombo2 I think its just a general policy now. And TBH considering what happened with SODAZ and the rumor of him being hired getting him massively harassed? I don't blame them for this
@@alexstratford278 Games workshop were the ones who were shitty to SODAZ.
@@notalpharius4553 I don't remember GW harassing him until he quit 40k animations all together. GW was slow sure. But it wasn't GW who harassed him. It was the community. Same as the people who harassed Matt Ward for writing a bad codex and sent death threats. The community was the shittiest ones in both instances.
Ergo the policy they instituted after the Matt Ward stuff to avoid it happening again
The first thing I noticed on the free view of the ork show was no credits to the people behind it. I'm big on giving people credit they're due. That took me off the fence with subscribing and confirmed to me it wasn't worth shilling out for.
the no credits is a deal-breaker for me. SUPPORT YOUR ARTISTS !!
How about paying $9 once for all the rules for your army, including any rules updates or new models, for the duration of the current game edition? And maybe we could include a full rulebook in the app as well. You know, like Privateer Press already does.
You lost GW at the word 'once'. That is not a profit driven business model.
They would only do this on a subscription based model, if at all.
Naahhh I’m good with not having to pay for rules/profiles/easy to use wiki/army builder on all platforms
How about rules are free and digital, since minis are already ridiculously expensive
“I prefer my version, but… I would say that”
Instant flashbacks to the DIY dipwash video
Speaking of Copy Right Laws, there are actual political parties based solely (well they now started to broaden their political beliefs) on reforming copyright laws, known as “Pirate Parties” and one of them is doing quite well in Czechia.
Czechia? If it is the country I think it is, it wont matter as long as youre in the EU because those laws will always overwrite domestic laws in terms of copyright.
@@damnright1968 Lots of EU countries don’t follow every rule the EU makes. Plus if they win in Czechia, they may win in more EU countries (as there’s lots of them in different countries) and then vote for it at an EU level
The fact that they dont put credits to their animated productions, something basic regarding this kind of creative works, is a good indicator of the kind of ethics promoted by this company
I think its prob company policy, i remember hearing about mattward and how the community basically harrased him and since then no auhtor names on the codexs and rules anymore
Very classy take on the music. I'm sure others will have their opinion on what you should do or not do. But I for one respect your nonchalant attitude to something the corporate giant would have any full legal about.
I work in TV animation and the idea of not crediting the people who made a show is unthinkable, it's a completely shocking choice.
Watching the live stream the other night was a bit like a behind the scenes for this episode, now the black metal makeup makes sense! Thanks for the commentry Guy, if your opinion changes please let us know.
GW: NO ONE CAN COPY OR TAKE INSPIRATION FROM OUR WORK
also GW: we'll just "borrow" your music and tweak it ever so slightly 👌
Absolutely correct, but you cannot copyright chords.
I saw on Reddit that this video got demonetized. I liked it though and subscribed to your channel, so hopefully theres enough of us to make up for it a little bit.
I would have loved to see them use baldermort as the narrator for the loremaster stuff. That guy is like the Attenborough of Warhammer 😂
I love your videos man. Always positive, open and honest. I only play Blood Bowl these days and rarely paint as much as I would like. But I started on 40k back in '93 and collected Blood Angels (and fondly remember that early White Dwarf Battle report Blood Angels vs Orcs).
From the first scene of this video and I can already tell that fatherhood is hitting our boy hard. Wishing you and Penny all the best and I hope the twins aren't wearing on you too much!
GW not putting in credits turns me off the whole thing. Great video. Keep up the good work.
Already pointed out in another post.
AFAIK, they started doing so a few years ago, because authors were being harrased by the community. After what happened to SODAZ, I feel this is a safety measure needed.
@@gustavotriqui that doesn't excuse or make any of it better.
Thanks for the info.
I am, too, commenting to appease the mighty algorithm.
Also, a great objective review without biases, well done!
Even bigger youtubers with teams have credits lately. That GW can't be arsed speaks volumes about how little they care for and respect the artists on their team.
So, as far as reading back issues of WD and list building, the "non-commercial" versions are still better? I'm absolutely shocked.
Also, the best 40k animation is still Dawn of War opening cinematics.
Great video Midwinter! Exactly the same thoughts I had on after my experience with Warhammer+
All issues (and there are many) with current copyright law aside, if people are able to make a claim based on two or three notes/chords we're going to need more lawyers.
ask marvin gayes estate about that. They did exactly that and won against robin thick.
guy love the channel buddy. i dont paint gw models any more. i started building gundam models and cant get enough. But i did paint an airfix kit over Christmas an it looks not bad. i used acrylic paint and some tips i got on here. Next is to tackle a gundam.
What is with GW's allergy to letting people get credit for their work?
Just wanted to say the eyeliner is looking great :)
Nice balanced review, makes a change from the polarising 100% negative or ‘GW can do no wrong’ type viewpoints. Glad the copyright shenanigans got ironed out 👍
I dont even know If it's legal too not credit people in any movie/media. That's why Hollywood movies even credit the janitors and stuff. Any person contributing to the production must be credited
Honestly even if I would support gw after their recent bad news, I don't have the time for all of that. Iam happy I can paint and watch you or another creator while also working full time :D
Guy is the Head of the warhammer nation in my eyes!! I love the content and you made me start collecting warhammer moddles 😊😊
Eyeliner is on point this episode
There is nothing GOOD about it when you consider none of these projects are CORPORATION quality
That's honestly my biggest takeaway here. I'd be okay if, in charging Disney+ prices, they provided Disney+ type original content. They don't need to release "Avengers" level stuff, but at least charge for something more than a fan animation.
Don't worry guy, I chose the orruk boss as well. We can be orky together ❤
WAAAAAAGH
Same here. Probably gonna turn him into a Beastboss.....if I remember to do so in the year it'll take to get him *sigh*
Didn‘t choose the orruk, but I am gonna buy him anyway as there will be an option to buy the model one did not choose
Thanks for talking about Louise , what an amazing painter ! Cheers
The blood angels show has already made it worth it for me !! I fricken love it
Dude, we need more segments of you playing a sith lord. You nailed it!
Honest opinion,the original Space Hulk game, IMO, made the best use of the shift in media.
Fun to hear your opinions. Glad they didn't steal your music. I havent subscribed yet because I'll wait until Louise's series is all finished its first season so to speak and rhen binge them all in a month.
"The vault is not without issues" yes it is! It's missing a lot of issues! ;) #scnr
How did I miss making that pun! Ugh
@@MidwinterMinis Because I'm an old cynic fart of a grognard... Puns are my lifeblood.
i'm glad your not one of those people that says warhammer+ is JUST bad
A good thing add to Warhammer+ would be the build manuals for their miniatures in the archiving.
You are absolutely right about IP law not being fit for purpose. This is a point that should be brought up and discussed more often.
This explains the face paint
I don't think pointing out the fact that all of the materials from a Warhammer+ subscription are split across multiple platforms is a 'nitpick' as you mentioned. It's a major problem with the service so far. As a subscriber, there absolutely needs to be a central repository for everything that comes with the service.
i decided to opt in, took me half an hour and a reedit search to get on. some of the stuff is good, blood angels stuff is good, painting videos so far are great totally agree with you there mate. still need to give the bat reps a go :)
Can you tell me when you sub, how do you access all the "plus" content as I did a search in Play store and nothing is coming up for "Warhammer+", just the 40k app and WH-TV app. So I'm thinking it's a webpage not an app?
I had to do it through my subscriptions on my iPhone setting. Then refreshed the Warhammer TV app
@@murraysminis9390 so there's no specific Warhammer+ app just gives you the "+ content" in other apps like Warhammer TV & the 40k app ?
That’s right mate, confused the hell out of me to.
@@murraysminis9390 it's the fact they constantly refer to "The App" oh well I took the plunge for a year, just haven't had the opportunity to check it out. Downloaded WH-TV on the Fire Stick so I can watch content on the big screen 😁
Just realized Guy's wearing eyeliner.
And he is ROCKING it.
Was an accident he said. He totally does rock it though.
Who doesn't provide credits? That is so odd.
Great video, really enjoyed it. Honestly might try out plus just to see what its all about. I didn't know about that archive section. Looks rad!
Also would 100% back a Louise Sugden mini-painting Patreon without even stopping long enough to breathe.
I get the feeling that Games Workshop are becoming (or are) like the Google of the miniature war gaming hobby, in the sense that they do what they want, whether something was popular or not they will go ahead or remove it because they want to. Personally I find the old painting charts very useful, the one with the Space Marine backpack painted up using either layers or drybrush, just so quick and easy to get some paint on there without having to think about it too much, but they were replaced by the painting app which is finicky and relies on having a screen to look at rather than just a few printed pages. It sounds like Warhammer+ will be the same - content will change, things that people use might be removed at any time, and I think that's the wrong way to go about such a service. If it had micro transactions for additional things such as access to the entire back catalogue of White Dwarf issues in crisp high definition with a print option, that would be good and might even entice me in, but being at the whim of the current management as to what they want me to see? Nah.
I think the reason they don't do credits anymore is due to the old SM codex and Matt Ward, he got death threats and IIRC he quit writing about 40k for a few years due to harassment and even today his name alone brings up a lot of vitriol.
While credits are nice, and I'd love to know who did what at the end of the day if it means that people get harassed and death threats due to them? I'd rather they were skipped like they do now.
Thank you, I was looking for a comment that mentioned Mat Ward.
Otherwise I would have written it myself xD
And don't forget that some publications were "credited" to Mat Ward by the community even though hasn't written them.
it might just be me who noticed this but guy had some black substence in his eye my guess is that he filmed the cake bit first then recorded the rest and he must not have been able to remove all the makeup from his eyes
The issue with thinking that people just want rules is that you forget why people get into the hobby in the first place.
Plainly speaking, I know of no one who got into the hobby because of the rules or because they wanted to win every tournament, and I doubt this is the case for you Guy.
In comes the lore, the fluff, the 50-90% of the army book (codex or battletome) that gets bashed for being around.
The story of the setting, the characters and the horrifying monstrosities come to life through the lore.
This is what makes people stay. Not the rules. Not the plastic. The stories.
This 100 percent
I got into the hobby because I like the miniatures and painting them. I know zero about the lore xp
I came in because of the lore, but the farther away GW gets from it's core and the lore tabletop wise the more I look for their older rules systems that are more thematic and lore friendly. Case in point, if they published the old Battlefleet Gothic rules or any of the old unsupported specialist games it might actually get me to buy in
Well, it IS a big hobby and different people like different parts of it, ignore some completely and stay for their own reasons. I know plenty of people who love the hobby for all kinds of different reasons. In the grim darkness of the far future there is not only lore!
Loving the guyliner but I totally agree with a lot of the points in this vid
As I'm a painter and not a player since years (I went to the upper levels, playing RPG, not wargames ;-) ), I was only interested in the animation.
Recently, various styles and approaches on the Net and UA-cam in particular were awesome. Due to the launch of W+, many shows or videos were cancelled or deleted. And so I was curious and was waiting the new arrival of GW animation videos. With the free trial, I discovered the first episode, and sorry, it was below any normal standarts (story weird, characters simplified, poor animation -not really animation, no real tension). Compared to a SODAZ normal video, wow, what a shame. Compared to a ultra funny and witty TTS, what a bummer.
As for painting, well, much more artists and painters on the Internet are more interesting than the offical ones. I even prefer you guys of Midwinter Minis to the officla GW channel (funnier, cosier and much more honest), not to speak about the others (Trovarion, Nijon, Marco, Squidmar, Miniac...).
So, paying a quite significant amount of money per month for not so much is really annoying, due to the consequences GW is bringing to the fans and community with copyrights and such.
Anyway, nice video, thanks for sharing!
Not only do I have my own pile of shame my Dad just found some boxes of napoleonic troops in the allotment shed, so now I'm having to work through his pile of shame too - one of them is from 1989, it's almost as old as me!!
Naps are awesome. Welcome to the rabbit hole.
I'm a simple man, I hear Toby Longworth, I click the like button.
In the grim darkness of the future, there is only wonderfully sententious voice-over.
Do you know if the copyright claim was launched by UA-cam's automated services or was it done manually by GW? Somewhat changes the morality of the issue.
Its just a chord progression. Personally I prefer your music production, Guy😂
Yeah, exactly, 2 chords and a similar synth sound, I'm not going to bust out the lawsuit just yet, haha
Careful they might come for you in a few years time. Didn't they try to claim they invented the decades old term space marine?
Im dooing it! Im painting! Do not rush me! Love the content as always!
Guy: You too, by the looks of it. Look at all that grey plastic.
Me, who has never had a single warhammer model, and only has some old Бронепехота(a russian wargame from the early 2000s) minis: ...uhm, yeah... for shame
Would instantly get Warhammer+ if they hosted their own audiobooks (especially if they attract Baldermort)
Or just support Baldemort and A Border Prince 🤷♂️
@@alid5383 Last time I checked Balder doesnt narrate the Black Library. And obviously I do support him or I wouldn't instantly subscribe to WH+ because of him....
@@ZeroFocu5 Have you Checked AB Prince?! Does excellent reads!
reading the desc. (as usual, you can't *not* read the desc.) and thought "Midwinter Minis and the UA-cam Audio Library" sounded like a kid punk band that was popular while you just on your way out of junior high.
I know it's a different business model and different sized company, but it's worth mentioning that Wyrd Games (makers of Malifaux et al) provide pretty much all of this for free, all of the rules for every model they've made in Malifaux, right there in the app, free. Audio-book quality lore podcasts, free. Actual real PDFs of the rules and cards, free. In depth painting tutorials, free. Of course this is at a lower volume, and for fewer games with smaller fan bases, but it's interesting to see that some companies view content as an advert for their game, and others see it as a product to sell.
Yeah, it's sad when the unofficial stuff is better than the licensed goods.
Have a Volks kit that makes me regret not taking the advice to buy the bootleg kit over official kit... (don't get me wrong, creators need their dues, but, man, it seems like a trend that the official is lesser in quality than the unofficial)
wait, I didn't notice that. It is a bit crappy to not cite the actual creators.
also the loading time on the Vault PDFs seemed to take forever.
GW doing shady shit? Nah that couldn't ever happen..
Guy. I dont know if you’ll read this but I found the piece of music that GW have taken the “chime” sound that plays when the sliding Warhammer logo plays at the start of every GW video. It is the first and last note of the piece titled Century from Really Slow Motion. I wonder if they licensed or ripped it?
An honest review would have included a comparison to other streaming services. There is only so much a family can afford. Seriously. Compare the price to a years sub of Disney+ that will be launching full feature movies with equally (some would say better!) geeky sci-fi material. Book of Boba and Kenobi coming soon. It really makes Warhammer+ an overpriced service that´ll will unsupported for years, if going by how utterly bad GW handled the first year of the App,which is still ridden with bugs that GW refuses to fix.
This really is an important point, with the amount of streaming Services that already exists almost everyone I know is atleast subscribed to one or two. I won't increase my monthly streaming budget by a third for a hobby that mostly happens "offline" for me.
No offense to anyone who wants to have it of course.
I've got a mate who has done some work on audio books and with the new Warhammer+ (he's a voice actor). He's never had anything bad to say, he was chuffed he got to work with Brian Blessed, and he never complains about going to conventions to talk to fans.
I haven't spoken to him recently but I know he's on the "protective" side when it comes to credits. He likes credits as it's a good way for him and other voice actors/artists to pick up work from other companies. I didn't know how he feels about GW removing all credits (they use to give them) but I doubt he'll be happy (unless they're paying him loads!).
Man gw steals everything under the sun but doesnt want fans to make videos…
Thanks for bringing back nightmares from the original Spacehulk video game.
I appreciate your calm and balanced look at Warhammer+, but I'm not convinced. The cons far outweigh the pros for me. Commissar Gamza is absolutely correct that they're desperate to get people to buy it despite it being fairly redundant considering everything they're offering with it can be supplied better by the fans. I would have said models are an exception but that ain't true anymore, innit?
the second intro was my bag.
I feel personally called out by your last comment. :(
But I agree with everything you said about WH+: animation is meh, gameplay and painting is great, vault is okay but lacks features. But most of all… no full screen!!
Just double click the video.
Not crediting people even on the animations is such a scummy move
Honestly, for me, the only thing I was looking forward to from Warhammer + was the Exodite, and more Astartes....so..I still don't even know if it's worth it..for me, at least.
Tried using the app. I liked it, but soon realized that not all the Stat blocks are correct. In the App it lists flamestorm and boltstorm agressors as costing the same, when boltstorm agressors are going to cost you an extra 5 pts a model. Seems like a pretty idiotic oversight considering even battlescribe got it right first try.
They misprint and make mistakes constantly both in print and on (now) both apps. Never expect anything from this company.
There's issues with battlescribe too. Not trying to knock it, I like battlescribe, but it's not perfect.
I think the reason for not giving credit comes from people like Matt Ward, who obviously had problems with their codex, but not giving credit in animation is worrying, it's not just one person it's an entire group effort
Neither were those codices a one man project, it was just the practice for GW to print the lead designer in a prominent spot. A not very well thought out practice to be sure, a team effort should always be credited as such as is the standard in virtually EVERY other industry
@@noblegalifreyan4551 In the codices they are giving NO credit whatsoever (not even for translations in other languages, which, having worked as a translator, is a big NO-NO). I am astounded that so many people are willing to glance over that but are even surprised with the animations. It's not acceptable in either area. What does the credit for "the team" say then?
Great video and got to love a shout out at the end. Thanks!
I personally oppose it due to bow they've attempted to push it by forcing out content creators of animations
When will we get the next start collecting death match?
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Cross your fingers that GW doesn't try to claim YOUR music ;)
I wonder, too...they did go after that fanmade animations. And some people were wondering when GW would go after battle reports.
Maybe don't say these things too loudly to give GW "ideas".