To be fair, against Ben’s point, he did hurt Quinton’s, Nick’s, and Shaun’s careers this year. Quinton was on your guys tongue as an amazing prospect and open prodigy, right up until his show. Now, he’s kind of looked at as a disappointment, same with the Nick drop out. Their images were hurt consequently.
Ben’s wrong. Quint had every right to come out and blast Matt after that. 2 years and he comes back smaller than he started. When you get 2 years of your life wasted because some isn’t “fully committed” to coaching you that’s ridiculous. You also can’t blame quint for not leaving early because he was growing and getting bigger then when Matt ran him through prep he melted all that new muscle off. Ben just has the coaches perspective and because he’s been blasted for Hunter looking like shit he wants to vouch for Matt.
If Q couldn’t sleep, eat, train and felt so terrible etc then he should have raised it earlier. He’s not a baby and should take his share of the blame for his sub-standard outcome. Both are responsible IMO.
@@Siravoeatz he’s just got hurt feelings cause he gets so much shit for Hunter but he’s still wrong. He thinks quint shouldn’t have put him on blast which is wrong.
I didn’t agree with Quinton’s approach until he mentioned that Matt said he had fake gear and that he knows at least 11 other athletes that he’s said this to. The fact he said that then admitted he wasn’t completely focussed is a seriously bad look.
I think most people can agree it’s a relatively small incident but feel like it’s Mikes actions afterwards that make it worse. If he just held his hands up and said “yeah I overreacted, apologies to Jeff” everyone would move on. Instead he’s being a child on Instagram reposting stories etc, just grow up and be the ‘man’ you claim to be
i grew up in pretty rough circumstances and areas. still i think the point is not that he shoved him (although its debatable of that was a shove or a „punch“) but rather the reason behind that. a 45 year old bear of a man did this because another guy disagreed on how to lift weights ffs
Why does not a single person even ask themselves "wait, why was Jeff here with a camera crew at the exact same time as Mike? Why did he HAVE to film next to Mike at the same time and place as Mike, who wasnt filming content, just trying to workout alone". Jeff is a sociopath and not a single person even questioning why he was there to be pushed in the first place, zero blame on Jeff for seeking out this altercation. He knew that Mike would be mad and went there to be annoying. Why is that just completely fine? Maybe jeff shouldnt have went to the exact same gym Mike was at and started filming a workout video next to him... you kidding me? Thats so annoying. Jeff is a sociopath who seeks attention.
@@Owen-C1997 brother. they both live in toronto and thats one of the best gyms there. why would he not train there? watch the footage, mike walks up first and says „sup“
Has Mike apologised in anyway Fouad ? cause i get you sticking with your friend but i havent seen anyone comdemn what he did and he has shown no remorse, if it was a mistake why hasnt he made a statment and owned it like a grown man would. I dont believe in cancelling him for this but a core moral i have is accountability and owning your mistakes, and i havent seen any
Why does he have to make a public apology?? He does not owe anyone on social media anything. Now sure was it wrong and should be apologize to Jeff I agree, has he… not sure. But he definitely does not owe the public an apology lol
@@mikeyj5331 because he's a public figure/influencer, he has a brand and reputation and an abligation to save face, same way that a CEO has the responsibility to apologise when making a brand damaging mistake
@@mikeyj5331 he has employees that can be financially affected by his mistake if his brand loses money and he needs to lay people off, you need to look at the bigger picture this isn't just a random dude shoving someone the more in the spotlight you are the more extreme the consequences
@@t3nnisstar if his business fails he can apologies to his employees then, but I would be willing to bet Mikes business actually does better now with all this attention lol. He still does not owe you and the public anything. You can choose to follow him or not.
@@mikeyj5331 and what about all the young kids who follow him that now think this behaviour is OK, he needs to apologise for his actions so the people he Influences know better, how are you even defending laying hands on another person? Take a second to think about it, is violence a fair response to someone saying something ??
With regard to the Mike/Jeff thing... Mike has been trying to "cancel" Jeff via badmouthing him and every other science based lifter, every chance he can get, hell he even said on this podcast, that he "hates" him. And for those that don't get "how" Mike was attempting to "cancel" Jeff, he was doing it the "old skool way" by verbally bullying the guy and insinuating that Jeff's small and weak, and he is big and strong. When shit didn't work out for Mike, he resorted to the last bastion of the bully, violence...well he fucked around, let's see if he finds out. I also want to say that I get that you want to defend your friend, but here's the thing, a true friend has an obligation to call out bullshit that those they hold dear peddle, and if the "friend" repeatedly is the asshole, then they lose the friendship. At the end of the day, friendships are a multifaceted and complex set of personal and social interactions, but they are also conditional, and aside from the "I'll be your friend if you treat me well." condition, there is also the condition that, "I need to see that you treat other people well, so that I have confidence that you are not bullshitting me." condition. All of that is an overly verbose way of saying, if you really are Mike's friend, you'll pull him aside and let him know that he is the asshole, and he needs to make it right. And while you should do all this offline, at some point, Mike would be doing himself a great service if he did it publicly. Anyway, I don't want to end this comment on a sour note, so I want to say, James, you bruh, are Kratos and should defo audition if ever they decide to make that movie dude!
Go look at the cctv footage if that happened to people that were in social media that’s how it would of went down you can’t approach someone that doesn’t like you yous had had a disagreement and he’s ignoring you so you call out and go over That’s fighting words 😂
Nope, friends don’t need to lecture friends. I’m sure Mike probably would have done it differently if he could. He doesn’t need to hear it from his friends too. Short of murder or rape. I can’t think of a reason to stop being friends with someone. I’m sure you have friends who’ve done dumb shit, is it your responsibility to harass them and tell them they need to make apologies? Grow the f up…
Dude mike pushed jeff softly. It was a love tap at best, and jeff is super passive aggressive if youve ever watched any of his collabs. He just found out what aggressive aggression is where people like mike van wyk lives.
Your friend is a bully. Your dismissal of it speaks volumes for you all as well. To simplify what you seemingly fail to understand: Everyone loses their cool, not everyone assaults people, especially people smaller than them. Grown man acting like a toddler. Maybe if your friend was natural (you know, like the people he was mocking for shockingly being smaller than a steroid user) he'd actually be able to exert control over his emotions. The lack of apology is just an exclamation point, although I doubt he possess the maturity to take ownership for his actions, let alone the ability to thoughtfully express himself in any way.
@@squeezewilliams3003 Have you ever thought that he apologized in private?? Not everything has to be blasted over social media, which I don’t think you nerds seem to understand.
Its simple- accountability is everything. When a coach takes ownership instead of shifting blame, it shows respect for the athlete’s effort and commitment. After following instructions exactly as given, the athlete deserves understanding, not criticism. Months of taking the heat without fair acknowledgment will break anyone down. A real apology goes a long way-especially when it addresses specific actions-because it reinforces trust and shows the coach is willing to grow too.
I have a content idea I want to propose for the podcast: I saw a video where the guys at Think BIG Bodybuilding Media watched some old footage of Greg Kovacs. They talked about him and watched the footage. It was really crazy seeing him train and hearing them share stories. You guys could probably do similar stuff with any footage of Luke or John or other guys you knew back in the day. Just an idea
Mike is so proud of his actions that he keeps reposting stories of support🥰. Hardest battles are fought in the mind. Mike only had to apologize like a bigger MAN maybe hes not.
The problem with certain short forms or slang used to describe people is that they were used to dehumanize people as a way to make it easier to kill them or enslave them. A lot of them were related to genocide and war and are intended to make you less then human.
obviously mike is in the wrong but i think jeff really blew it out of proportion by posting himself in the hospital by the ct scan machine and shit😂 gotta feel kinda bad for jeff though, everyone is treating him like hes some defenseless 12 year old boy
Exactly this. Jeff is a grown man, albeit a small one who looks like a young boy with a clean cut social media personna which plays into the narrative.
Mike's a hot head and Jeff's a cry baby. CT scan for a push pls.....Help social media help big bad man pushed me. You do that where there aren't cameras you don't walk away sometimes
because jeff is in Canada the only way you get ct scans that fast is if you pay out of pocket for them. The wait time for public care can take months. So basically Jeff paid 1000's of dollars to get some instagram photos with the ct scanner. He knew there was nothing wrong with himself yet still wanted to get the photo op done.
About training, all training is not created equal (results wise). That is why, as a professional bodybuilder, there are choices to be made along the road. Does someone just want to have more and more fun or does someone want to have better and better results?
@@aaronellsworth2700 I think far its worse than people acknowledge he shoved him over a bench he fell backwards Jeff could have went straight back on his head and god forbid died as a result it was beyond reckless
Im not a Matt Jensen fan, but no one is acknowledging that matt has not threw one athlete under the bus. He has not mentioned anyone cheating on their diet, mossing cardio, nothing. I give Matt credit for taking it on the chin... more of a matt fan now to be honest
The reason why shortened forms of ethnic terms can be considered offensive is because those abbreviations carry a lot of historical baggage and were used as slurs by those with prejudice intent. Here in Australia, people from Lebanon are called Lebos & it’s considered mostly fine, due to it being a colloquial term. N people in those cultural areas within aus, would say it to each other. Also, anyone from the southern Europe and the Middle East ie - lebos, Italians, Greeks etc were called “wogs” which used to be a derogatory term, now it’s pretty well used, still could be seen offensive if used inappropriately. Last one, Indigenous/Aboriginal Australians for example are called “abôs” short form for aboriginal, by malicious intention people ie racists
This whole situation has just made me realize how detached from reality the internet is making us. Calling for prison time and being serious about it over shoving someone over a bench is insane. I think even a judge would laugh in your face. This isn't me saying it was right either. It was most definitely lame as hell to do.
exactly. I hate when people call everyone snowflakes and soft but the way people are losing their minds of a man shoving another man ridiculous. They act like they've never been outside their home before. Mike is entirely wrong but it's not that big of a deal and it's nobodies business outside of Mike and Jeff and the courts.
If we all stop being friends with people when they do something wrong we would have no friends…and it was a Push, not a punch, not a slap, a push….Yes no one should tough anyone if they don’t want you too…but I’ve learned = don’t mouth off to anyone if you don’t want to deal with the consequences.
I think it’s time to shut this kinda stuff down and not talk about it because now it’s carrying on, the fitness industry needs to stay together and shut it down and stop talking about it.
The funniest thing is that Mike IS a science based trainer himself, holy shit 😆 just doesn't do it the neardy way, but when he talks about shoulder back chin up head back all these stuff is not meathead stuff it's anatomy/science
It’s not a big deal? He choke slammed Jeff twice. And then pushed his camera man. How is that not a big deal. Dude is assault. Tell me it’s not a big deal if that happened to your wife or kids. lol stfu you’re protecting him.
The real OG lineup right here I honestly expect James to put up a cheap brick wall background like little mower man 😂😂 RIP 1 of 2 of my favorite physiques
People get push d around all the time. Go to a night club. Sure. Mike should not have to pushed him. But it doesn’t deserve criminal charges. I wouldn’t have charged someone who did that to me. But then again I don’t get pushed around. lol. But still. It’s an unfortunate incident. And fouad doesn’t need to hate Mike because of it. People are so stupid.
@@alisb88 don’t matter. Just wash pushing. It’s not a big deal. I do t think he should have pushed him. It was t called for but it’s not a huge deal like people think. Today people are soft. It’s pathetic. Oh you hurt my feelings. Wahhhh. Toughen up
@EvanC8 huge guy chooses to put his hands on a much smaller guy who poses no threat. Its cowardly and unnecessary, this was not 2 big dudes settling a score.
by western standards perhaps not a big deal, but then again nowadays in the western world stabbings and shootings are common. So your standards are quite low to begin with. Incivility and disrespect are normal and so your societies are in decline. In places like Dubai however. Even insulting someone on social media can get you jailed and deported. Their civilisation has high standards there aint no shootings and stabbings are extremely rare, people have the iron rod if you step out of line. But I understand your perspective ...primates living in the jungle cant see the big deal, stay in the toilet long enough your shit dont stink anymore. Like if you go to Mexico or Brazil a city might experience 100 murders in one day and no one bats an eyelid because by their standards thats kinda normal. Police and govt officials might be in the mafia themselves robbing the city dry.. yeah so what? Dont be soft as hell
Fouad, you are right to back Mike, as a FRIEND. You stand by your friends, no matter what. When they make a mistake, you correct them - you dont just leave them and bury their name. You are a good friend Fouad.
Lets just say what it is. Iris pushed it further than Lenda did. Iris is at every Olympia ans Arnold. i see her every time ...shes just not as received because of less femininity.
The reason what Mike did was so foolish and over the line is because Jeff was not threatening. Physical contact when both guys are acting like that is one thing. When one guy is not threatening engaging then it’s assault.
Something I learned in Psychology is what's called "Lynch" Mob mentality, it is also called "Herd or Hive: mentality. It is the inclination that some individuals need to be part of a large group, often neglecting their own individual feelings in the process, and adopting the negative and or violent behaviors and actions of the people around them. (You see it in riots, as well on many Social Media outlets. The issue is Social media platforms have allowed people to be anonymous, making them highly more likely to make negative and hateful comments. In these incidents people who don't have to reveal their identity feel very free to say things thatthey would never say in person to another individual(s) In Psychology there is a term called "PROJECTION". It's when People make negative and hateful comments to project their "Own" insecurities or feelings onto others.
Quinton was just hungry for attention cause he hasn’t been able to prove how good a bodybuilder he really is with his physique so first he went on to bash Matt and then, made a few videos on Mike, who literally was his friend and has been appreciating him every time he is in any competition or any discussion about his talent..!! And those videos on Mike on his insta and antoine’s channel just irritated the hell out of me man, you both were his friends at a time and now if you can’t defend him atleast don’t put videos against him and just show “you are a friend”
People say Mike has no emotional control. Yet the outrage displayed by social media towards a man they've never met is pure lunacy. They call Mike a bully. Yet, all media platforms banding together and targeting one man from behind their screens is biggest act of cowardice I've seen.
The best way to end this and make a productive and teachable moment is to invite both Mike & Jeff and discuss where is science based programs and bro programs getting wrong or right. That will be the perfect finish to this saga and will be a great conversation!
Kinda figure once the news has been long enough with Matt it will blow over. But in all seriousness It makes me really question whether getting big on social media is worth that much. In all seriousness though this podcast has done a lot to raise awareness on all kinds of issues including social media popularity and mental health. As usual great podcast Foaud and bros
Why cant anyone ask themselves "why was Jeff at the gym, right next to Mike, who he knows doesnt like him- to film a video right next to mike- who wasnt filming himself and was just trying to workout/train clients.. ?? JEFF IS A SOCIOPATH who knew Mike worked out at such and such time and went there to get a rouse out of him. Why cant ANY blame be put on Jeff, for coming over and purposefully trying to get under mikes skin? Right or wrong to push him for that, its insane an adult man does that and everyone just completely ignore how immature and annoying that is for an adult to do to another adult.
Thank you for the mention boys. Round 2 with Iain soon 🤘 For the record, his db shoulder press form wasn’t bad and 150’s is extremely impressive
To be fair, against Ben’s point, he did hurt Quinton’s, Nick’s, and Shaun’s careers this year. Quinton was on your guys tongue as an amazing prospect and open prodigy, right up until his show. Now, he’s kind of looked at as a disappointment, same with the Nick drop out. Their images were hurt consequently.
Ben’s wrong. Quint had every right to come out and blast Matt after that. 2 years and he comes back smaller than he started. When you get 2 years of your life wasted because some isn’t “fully committed” to coaching you that’s ridiculous. You also can’t blame quint for not leaving early because he was growing and getting bigger then when Matt ran him through prep he melted all that new muscle off. Ben just has the coaches perspective and because he’s been blasted for Hunter looking like shit he wants to vouch for Matt.
If Q couldn’t sleep, eat, train and felt so terrible etc then he should have raised it earlier. He’s not a baby and should take his share of the blame for his sub-standard outcome. Both are responsible IMO.
Just because you don’t agree doesn’t make him wrong
@@Siravoeatz he’s just got hurt feelings cause he gets so much shit for Hunter but he’s still wrong. He thinks quint shouldn’t have put him on blast which is wrong.
@@FractalRealmyou’re wrong.
I didn’t agree with Quinton’s approach until he mentioned that Matt said he had fake gear and that he knows at least 11 other athletes that he’s said this to. The fact he said that then admitted he wasn’t completely focussed is a seriously bad look.
I think most people can agree it’s a relatively small incident but feel like it’s Mikes actions afterwards that make it worse. If he just held his hands up and said “yeah I overreacted, apologies to Jeff” everyone would move on. Instead he’s being a child on Instagram reposting stories etc, just grow up and be the ‘man’ you claim to be
Let's just move on, dude.
You can't make public statements when the law is involved.
@@FouadAbiadIf that were true he shouldn't be reposting things that take his side than no?
Too late, he got snitched on over a push.
@@FouadAbiad Posting stories that side with him.... is making a statement... and will be used against him as an aggravating factor for sentencing.
It’s funny listening to this podcast after knowing that Chris is going to Prague
i grew up in pretty rough circumstances and areas. still i think the point is not that he shoved him (although its debatable of that was a shove or a „punch“) but rather the reason behind that. a 45 year old bear of a man did this because another guy disagreed on how to lift weights ffs
Why does not a single person even ask themselves "wait, why was Jeff here with a camera crew at the exact same time as Mike? Why did he HAVE to film next to Mike at the same time and place as Mike, who wasnt filming content, just trying to workout alone". Jeff is a sociopath and not a single person even questioning why he was there to be pushed in the first place, zero blame on Jeff for seeking out this altercation. He knew that Mike would be mad and went there to be annoying. Why is that just completely fine? Maybe jeff shouldnt have went to the exact same gym Mike was at and started filming a workout video next to him... you kidding me? Thats so annoying. Jeff is a sociopath who seeks attention.
@@Owen-C1997 brother. they both live in toronto and thats one of the best gyms there. why would he not train there?
watch the footage, mike walks up first and says „sup“
Has Mike apologised in anyway Fouad ? cause i get you sticking with your friend but i havent seen anyone comdemn what he did and he has shown no remorse, if it was a mistake why hasnt he made a statment and owned it like a grown man would. I dont believe in cancelling him for this but a core moral i have is accountability and owning your mistakes, and i havent seen any
Why does he have to make a public apology?? He does not owe anyone on social media anything. Now sure was it wrong and should be apologize to Jeff I agree, has he… not sure. But he definitely does not owe the public an apology lol
@@mikeyj5331 because he's a public figure/influencer, he has a brand and reputation and an abligation to save face, same way that a CEO has the responsibility to apologise when making a brand damaging mistake
@@mikeyj5331 he has employees that can be financially affected by his mistake if his brand loses money and he needs to lay people off, you need to look at the bigger picture this isn't just a random dude shoving someone the more in the spotlight you are the more extreme the consequences
@@t3nnisstar if his business fails he can apologies to his employees then, but I would be willing to bet Mikes business actually does better now with all this attention lol. He still does not owe you and the public anything. You can choose to follow him or not.
@@mikeyj5331 and what about all the young kids who follow him that now think this behaviour is OK, he needs to apologise for his actions so the people he Influences know better, how are you even defending laying hands on another person? Take a second to think about it, is violence a fair response to someone saying something ??
Excited to get back to bodybuilding again
Me too!
With regard to the Mike/Jeff thing... Mike has been trying to "cancel" Jeff via badmouthing him and every other science based lifter, every chance he can get, hell he even said on this podcast, that he "hates" him. And for those that don't get "how" Mike was attempting to "cancel" Jeff, he was doing it the "old skool way" by verbally bullying the guy and insinuating that Jeff's small and weak, and he is big and strong. When shit didn't work out for Mike, he resorted to the last bastion of the bully, violence...well he fucked around, let's see if he finds out.
I also want to say that I get that you want to defend your friend, but here's the thing, a true friend has an obligation to call out bullshit that those they hold dear peddle, and if the "friend" repeatedly is the asshole, then they lose the friendship. At the end of the day, friendships are a multifaceted and complex set of personal and social interactions, but they are also conditional, and aside from the "I'll be your friend if you treat me well." condition, there is also the condition that, "I need to see that you treat other people well, so that I have confidence that you are not bullshitting me." condition. All of that is an overly verbose way of saying, if you really are Mike's friend, you'll pull him aside and let him know that he is the asshole, and he needs to make it right. And while you should do all this offline, at some point, Mike would be doing himself a great service if he did it publicly.
Anyway, I don't want to end this comment on a sour note, so I want to say, James, you bruh, are Kratos and should defo audition if ever they decide to make that movie dude!
Go look at the cctv footage if that happened to people that were in social media that’s how it would of went down you can’t approach someone that doesn’t like you yous had had a disagreement and he’s ignoring you so you call out and go over
That’s fighting words 😂
Lol nerd
Nope, friends don’t need to lecture friends. I’m sure Mike probably would have done it differently if he could. He doesn’t need to hear it from his friends too. Short of murder or rape. I can’t think of a reason to stop being friends with someone. I’m sure you have friends who’ve done dumb shit, is it your responsibility to harass them and tell them they need to make apologies? Grow the f up…
Podcasts about bodybuilding not Mike n Jeff bullshit now fk off
Dude mike pushed jeff softly. It was a love tap at best, and jeff is super passive aggressive if youve ever watched any of his collabs. He just found out what aggressive aggression is where people like mike van wyk lives.
Your friend is a bully. Your dismissal of it speaks volumes for you all as well. To simplify what you seemingly fail to understand: Everyone loses their cool, not everyone assaults people, especially people smaller than them. Grown man acting like a toddler. Maybe if your friend was natural (you know, like the people he was mocking for shockingly being smaller than a steroid user) he'd actually be able to exert control over his emotions. The lack of apology is just an exclamation point, although I doubt he possess the maturity to take ownership for his actions, let alone the ability to thoughtfully express himself in any way.
Grow up
@@JohnTS14 tell lil Mike to grow up. Assault over people who lift weights differently. Inability to control his emotions. Inability to apologize
@@squeezewilliams3003 Have you ever thought that he apologized in private?? Not everything has to be blasted over social media, which I don’t think you nerds seem to understand.
Its simple- accountability is everything. When a coach takes ownership instead of shifting blame, it shows respect for the athlete’s effort and commitment. After following instructions exactly as given, the athlete deserves understanding, not criticism. Months of taking the heat without fair acknowledgment will break anyone down. A real apology goes a long way-especially when it addresses specific actions-because it reinforces trust and shows the coach is willing to grow too.
I have a content idea I want to propose for the podcast:
I saw a video where the guys at Think BIG Bodybuilding Media watched some old footage of Greg Kovacs. They talked about him and watched the footage. It was really crazy seeing him train and hearing them share stories. You guys could probably do similar stuff with any footage of Luke or John or other guys you knew back in the day. Just an idea
The TBBM channels are underrated for sure -- great idea
Mike ‘the situation’ would be a fun nickname 😂
Mike is so proud of his actions that he keeps reposting stories of support🥰.
Hardest battles are fought in the mind.
Mike only had to apologize like a bigger MAN maybe hes not.
And this affects you how?
@@Derek_Reynolds you wouldn't get it.
@@AniketShinde__ crying is free.
@@Derek_Reynolds so are assault charges in canada , sit back and let the police do its work
@@AniketShinde__ you mad bro? Seethe more and cope more
I just want to support Van Wyck because I think that 90% of the fitness influencers are scamming hard!
The problem with certain short forms or slang used to describe people is that they were used to dehumanize people as a way to make it easier to kill them or enslave them. A lot of them were related to genocide and war and are intended to make you less then human.
James and Fouad, bald is the coolest hairstyle.
The Justin comment made me laugh out loud
obviously mike is in the wrong but i think jeff really blew it out of proportion by posting himself in the hospital by the ct scan machine and shit😂 gotta feel kinda bad for jeff though, everyone is treating him like hes some defenseless 12 year old boy
Exactly this. Jeff is a grown man, albeit a small one who looks like a young boy with a clean cut social media personna which plays into the narrative.
Yeah, that’s not something a mature mind would do imo. That’s something a mind of someone who lives in social media does.
Mike's a hot head and Jeff's a cry baby. CT scan for a push pls.....Help social media help big bad man pushed me. You do that where there aren't cameras you don't walk away sometimes
because jeff is in Canada the only way you get ct scans that fast is if you pay out of pocket for them. The wait time for public care can take months. So basically Jeff paid 1000's of dollars to get some instagram photos with the ct scanner. He knew there was nothing wrong with himself yet still wanted to get the photo op done.
you *need* to do a ct in order to press charges. The big man is about to find out what a cry baby can do
Ben, taking clients $ and disappear is fair? Fouad's point is 💯.
About training, all training is not created equal (results wise). That is why, as a professional bodybuilder, there are choices to be made along the road. Does someone just want to have more and more fun or does someone want to have better and better results?
This isn't politics...Let's just talk BB...I like the discussion on Good Vito!
Wait what happened between fouad and Justin? I know Justin left a while back but didn’t know there was any bad blood
Fouad it wasn’t a push he throat punched him twice. You just don’t escalate to that level like that unless you have the maturity of a middle schooler
No he didn’t 😂😂😂. It was a push. Not once did he have a closed fist.
Pussy shit...snitching over being pushed
@@aaronellsworth2700 I think far its worse than people acknowledge he shoved him over a bench he fell backwards Jeff could have went straight back on his head and god forbid died as a result it was beyond reckless
@@t3nnisstar but he didn’t. So 🤷
@@Qbomb32fishing so he should apologies like a grown ass man, mistake or not it was wrong
I would love to see Nick work with Hany and Fouad stole the words right out of my mouth about the dynamic of that relationship.
Im not a Matt Jensen fan, but no one is acknowledging that matt has not threw one athlete under the bus. He has not mentioned anyone cheating on their diet, mossing cardio, nothing. I give Matt credit for taking it on the chin... more of a matt fan now to be honest
24:47 I fucking died laughing with iains jealousy About Erick janicki 😂😂😂😂😂 it would of been argument for decades 🎉🎉🎉
He almost killed him! LOL
Did I miss what the big beef between Fouad and Justin is?
The reason why shortened forms of ethnic terms can be considered offensive is because those abbreviations carry a lot of historical baggage and were used as slurs by those with prejudice intent. Here in Australia, people from Lebanon are called Lebos & it’s considered mostly fine, due to it being a colloquial term. N people in those cultural areas within aus, would say it to each other. Also, anyone from the southern Europe and the Middle East ie - lebos, Italians, Greeks etc were called “wogs” which used to be a derogatory term, now it’s pretty well used, still could be seen offensive if used inappropriately. Last one, Indigenous/Aboriginal Australians for example are called “abôs” short form for aboriginal, by malicious intention people ie racists
The fact they defend Mike is wild.
Stop crying. Thx.
@@tolgaaksoy5343 aww sounds like your feelings are hurt
@@oscarpenafiel2902 you're the one crying about a grown man getting pushed, get over it. It's really not a big deal
@@dfabe5346 Mikes the precious little snowflake that couldn't control his big scary emotions when someone disagreed with him
@@dfabe5346 sounds like your in the same boat as Mike. If all it takes is words to through you off… well says a lot about you.
Y'all heard of grass fed...get ready for corn fed LOL
damn Iain looking good
14:25 james nailed it ...he said it all
If I'm having a problem with somebody I'm going to call him up myself & talk to him not posted social media
Iain there wasnt enough time in a single podcast for the argument is what fouad was trying to say 🤣
Please restock the Hosstile jerseys, they're sick!
The order is already in!
This whole situation has just made me realize how detached from reality the internet is making us. Calling for prison time and being serious about it over shoving someone over a bench is insane. I think even a judge would laugh in your face. This isn't me saying it was right either. It was most definitely lame as hell to do.
People have lost their mind.
exactly. I hate when people call everyone snowflakes and soft but the way people are losing their minds of a man shoving another man ridiculous. They act like they've never been outside their home before. Mike is entirely wrong but it's not that big of a deal and it's nobodies business outside of Mike and Jeff and the courts.
It wasn’t just a “push”. He “pushed” Jeff twice. Not once. And why he did? Cause he knew Jeff is half his size so he wasn’t going to do nothing.
@@FouadAbiad Would you feel the same way if Mike pushed your wife in the throat twice, Fouad?
I think you're detached from the reality that people die from this type of seemingly harmless shit, you just dont get to see the videos as often.
Is that really the way to say Stefan’s name Fouad?
Tornado is on land, Typhoon is over water
That title is on and slippery anyone can grab but when martin wins he will dominate for years if he stays focused and hungry
Wait is it true that Seth might do Detroit? And not just a "Chris is doing Detroit"-bait? Awesome if that's the case!
They dont have 212 in Detroit
But seth said he will do a show next fall if his body will allow him
If we all stop being friends with people when they do something wrong we would have no friends…and it was a Push, not a punch, not a slap, a push….Yes no one should tough anyone if they don’t want you too…but I’ve learned = don’t mouth off to anyone if you don’t want to deal with the consequences.
Hany needs to coach Nick if nothing but for the mental aspect.
1:16:51 bleu taylor would do well with nick
Keep up the great work guys. ❤
I like Mike. I trained with him, he was ok with me .
1:52:07 💀 what an ending 😂
Whyd he say he doesnt care about justin? Was that meant to be a personal thing or was that professional?
“Oh the one I said already” - Iain 😂😂😂
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What about Dorian Yates coaching Nick?
Question for next podcast discussion. Fouads foya getting caught techniques 😂😂😂😂!!!
We all like CBUM but he would look like he doesn’t belong on the same stage next to Rafa.
I'll defend Fouad 100% sticking up for his friends. But, I won't defend him saying he won the entire season because of his second win. Lol 😂😂😂
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I think it’s time to shut this kinda stuff down and not talk about it because now it’s carrying on, the fitness industry needs to stay together and shut it down and stop talking about it.
You can tell Fouad listens to feedback, thanks for pumping out great content 💪
Mike Sommerfeld aka Mike Summerfield aka The Badass aka The New CBUM
The funniest thing is that Mike IS a science based trainer himself, holy shit 😆 just doesn't do it the neardy way, but when he talks about shoulder back chin up head back all these stuff is not meathead stuff it's anatomy/science
He tried to be a bodybuilder and ended up with gyno bigger than his chest and a gut that outsized anything else in his physique 😂
The OG crew is back
Johnny Bravo Ian! 🤣
Ty for all the work you do Fouad. Hope to see 5 man BroChat too soon(Mike included) 🤓😎
Next week!
@@FouadAbiadjust no more Guy please
It’s not a big deal? He choke slammed Jeff twice. And then pushed his camera man. How is that not a big deal. Dude is assault. Tell me it’s not a big deal if that happened to your wife or kids. lol stfu you’re protecting him.
Maybe Hadi Trained legs too heavy, without mind-muscle connection to quads, Just moving huge weights to frighten his competition 😅
ben with charles griffin would be great
Question for James, Do you play overwatch?
Not condoning the push, but that was an NBA caliber flop.
1:25:38 i know for a fact fouad wasn't reading a comment🤣
😂 I was!
The real OG lineup right here
I honestly expect James to put up a cheap brick wall background like little mower man 😂😂
RIP 1 of 2 of my favorite physiques
The fellas are back in town!
People get push d around all the time. Go to a night club. Sure. Mike should not have to pushed him. But it doesn’t deserve criminal charges. I wouldn’t have charged someone who did that to me. But then again I don’t get pushed around. lol. But still. It’s an unfortunate incident. And fouad doesn’t need to hate Mike because of it. People are so stupid.
This wasn't a night club where people were drinking. They were both at work.
@@alisb88 don’t matter. Just wash pushing. It’s not a big deal. I do t think he should have pushed him. It was t called for but it’s not a huge deal like people think. Today people are soft. It’s pathetic. Oh you hurt my feelings. Wahhhh. Toughen up
@EvanC8 huge guy chooses to put his hands on a much smaller guy who poses no threat. Its cowardly and unnecessary, this was not 2 big dudes settling a score.
by western standards perhaps not a big deal, but then again nowadays in the western world stabbings and shootings are common. So your standards are quite low to begin with. Incivility and disrespect are normal and so your societies are in decline. In places like Dubai however. Even insulting someone on social media can get you jailed and deported. Their civilisation has high standards there aint no shootings and stabbings are extremely rare, people have the iron rod if you step out of line. But I understand your perspective ...primates living in the jungle cant see the big deal, stay in the toilet long enough your shit dont stink anymore. Like if you go to Mexico or Brazil a city might experience 100 murders in one day and no one bats an eyelid because by their standards thats kinda normal. Police and govt officials might be in the mafia themselves robbing the city dry.. yeah so what? Dont be soft as hell
THE WORLD 🌎 IS TURNING SOFT AS FUK! MEN TURNING INTO WOMEN AND EVERYBODY SNITCHING. SOFT AF
Bens voice is bugging me lol
Fouad, you are right to back Mike, as a FRIEND. You stand by your friends, no matter what. When they make a mistake, you correct them - you dont just leave them and bury their name. You are a good friend Fouad.
Ben nailed it.
Lets just say what it is. Iris pushed it further than Lenda did. Iris is at every Olympia ans Arnold. i see her every time ...shes just not as received because of less femininity.
Hi Iain ;)
Hope to see Mike and Seth back soon
Next week!
He said the millennial iain…when iain is actually a millennial lol so is Ben and James and Samson.
So much respect for Fouad. A true loyal friend, which hard to come by these days
The reason what Mike did was so foolish and over the line is because Jeff was not threatening. Physical contact when both guys are acting like that is one thing. When one guy is not threatening engaging then it’s assault.
The person who built the web app could have imported the Olympia results in to automatically calculate the winner.
That’s no fun I wanted to do that part on the show.
Hahaha, I didn't expect a reply. Fair enough 😂❤
Something I learned in Psychology is what's called "Lynch" Mob
mentality, it is also called "Herd or Hive: mentality. It is the inclination that some individuals need to be part of a large group, often neglecting their own individual feelings in the process, and adopting the negative and or violent behaviors and actions of the people around them. (You see it in riots, as well on many Social Media outlets.
The issue is Social media platforms have allowed people to be anonymous, making them highly more likely to make negative and hateful comments. In these incidents people who don't have to reveal their identity feel very free to say things thatthey would never say in person to another individual(s) In Psychology there is a term called "PROJECTION". It's when People make negative and hateful comments to project their "Own" insecurities or feelings onto others.
Quinton was just hungry for attention cause he hasn’t been able to prove how good a bodybuilder he really is with his physique so first he went on to bash Matt and then, made a few videos on Mike, who literally was his friend and has been appreciating him every time he is in any competition or any discussion about his talent..!! And those videos on Mike on his insta and antoine’s channel just irritated the hell out of me man, you both were his friends at a time and now if you can’t defend him atleast don’t put videos against him and just show “you are a friend”
Iain should start playing around and say he's doing a comeback for 2025 😂after all, he knows it'll be good content 👌 😅 the views man, the views 😉 😂
I’m so happy this went back to meathead bodybuilding bullshit ❤ … and yes, support your friends
People say Mike has no emotional control. Yet the outrage displayed by social media towards a man they've never met is pure lunacy. They call Mike a bully. Yet, all media platforms banding together and targeting one man from behind their screens is biggest act of cowardice I've seen.
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Haters gonna hate, potatoes gonna potate!
Telling people they had fake gear and all the people matt screwed over he got off pretty light..
Big love Fouad. Thanks for the consistent weekly uploads. Kindest regards everyone, Richard U.K
Love you guys man haha Still the best podcasts out there
Did they seriously spell fourth place as forth lol
The best way to end this and make a productive and teachable moment is to invite both Mike & Jeff and discuss where is science based programs and bro programs getting wrong or right. That will be the perfect finish to this saga and will be a great conversation!
fukin lol
Best comment.
@@BernieDiveley-il1qg Thank you.
Kinda figure once the news has been long enough with Matt it will blow over. But in all seriousness It makes me really question whether getting big on social media is worth that much. In all seriousness though this podcast has done a lot to raise awareness on all kinds of issues including social media popularity and mental health. As usual great podcast Foaud and bros
This whole situation will be a non story next month, especially with the US elections coming up😂
People move from drama to drama like flies on shit😂
these days you gotta call the cops if you get shoved LMAOOO jeff thinks he's entitled since he has a big following
I really hope you are a true friend, and let him know he fucked up.
I got pushed send the big meanie to jail forever!!! (people are soft)
Why cant anyone ask themselves "why was Jeff at the gym, right next to Mike, who he knows doesnt like him- to film a video right next to mike- who wasnt filming himself and was just trying to workout/train clients.. ?? JEFF IS A SOCIOPATH who knew Mike worked out at such and such time and went there to get a rouse out of him. Why cant ANY blame be put on Jeff, for coming over and purposefully trying to get under mikes skin? Right or wrong to push him for that, its insane an adult man does that and everyone just completely ignore how immature and annoying that is for an adult to do to another adult.
Eating pizza and watching. Smashing a large meat lover fouad
Martin is improving faster then vito is the difference I think
beastwood shitting on Mike really pissed me off