*INFORMATION AND SHOW NOTES* The first 1,000 people to use the link will get a 1 month free trial of Skillshare: skl.sh/classicalnerd09221 *Show notes/clarifications:* - In general, the line between proto-spectral, spectral, and post-spectral composers can be murky-more so than for many other techniques, schools, or trends in contemporary music. You may disagree with me putting Tenney and Haas into a more spectral camp while excluding Saariaho, and that's fine; I think it serves well to illustrate how elusive these terms are. 27:58 - Rădulescu _escaped_ to Paris. I did a video (pronouncing his name even more poorly than here!) some years ago, which provides a little more detail about his life, but much less about spectral technique. 32:28 - Daniel Kientzy [ kientzy.pro/en/biography ] does _far_ more than just work with Romanian spectral composers. I didn't want to imply that that's the only thing that he does. 37:44 - Originally a piece of IRCAM software called _Orchidée,_ it's since become _Orch-Idea_ [ www.orch-idea.org ], which allows for interface with Max/MSP as well as doubling as an English pun that illustrates what, exactly, it does: orchestration ideas. 38:12 - I'd like to thank new $2 patron *ScriabinAddict53,* who joined up after this video had already been rendered and submitted for sponsor approval. Finally (for those who have clicked through), a word about sponsorships: the PhD-student life puts enormous pressure on my time. Regardless of my passion for making this content, it isn't financially sustainable without sponsorships. Without Skillshare stepping in, it'd be unlikely that I'd be able to carve out the time to produce monthly videos.
Sadly we lost the amazing spectral composer Kaija Saariaho a couple weeks ago. May she be remembered through her music for decades to come. Rest in peace.
The minor triad can be represented in the (harmonic) overtone series as 10:12:15. It's there, but its root is the 5th harmonic instead of the fundamental.
There's likely a particularly high concentration of people watching this video and in this comment section who are very grateful for your scale generator website, myself included.
@@doesthishavetobearealname7647 16:19:24 has a much higher complexity than 10:12:15. You could also use 6:7:9 to get a lower complexity. I am a big fan of 22:26:33, which sounds almost identical to 16:19:24
Haas’s “in vain” is extraordinary not only for the harmonic battle that you mention, but also for the overall form. The music seems to analyze itself during the course of the formal argument. For example: The perpetual downward runs that open the piece, and which recur later, are at one point gradually slowed down to near stasis, allowing one to hear the individual chords that earlier whizzed by. It turns out that they are almost conventionally beautiful, with heavy emotional weight. Yet Haas has said that it’s the other sections-the lights-out episodes based on overtone harmony-which represent the more “ideal” music, a sort of glimpse into a Utopian rainbow land. An epochal work, a masterpiece quite unlike any other.
This is probably one of the best summations of spectralism done in a coherent way. I am very happy about your inclusion of Romanian spectralism. I am wondering if you are considering a follow-up on Hyper-Spectralism (Romania) and Saturationism (France), especially considering the wonderful female Romanian composer Avram.
Love this video! My senior project in college was an analysis/explanation of Grisey's Vortex Temporum. While I don't listen to a ton of spectral music these days, I still feel a strong connection to it and enjoy the occasional delve back into the music 😊
I am a huge classical music nerd myself as well as a former classical pianist and I am so addicted to your channel. I love that you cover both the major and sadly forgotten composers. I requested Albeniz previously somewhere but I'd be so thrilled to see Kabalevsky, Ibert, and Babadjanian as well! Pretty please!!
I was somewhat familiar with Grisey, Murail, and some of their students, as well as with several of the other composers you discuss here, but the Romanian spectralists are all new to me. I consider myself someone who knows a fair amount about 20th-century music; how exciting to find something completely unfamiliar! I'm rather surprised I hadn't come across your channel before. I look forward to exploring more of it.
Doing an analysis exam in Italy about a guitar piece written by Murail, "Tellur". Thank you for creating this content, it really helped me out to have a wider knowledge about spectralism without having to spent countless hours finding sources and read them. Great job
Thanks for this, I've been waiting for this video for a long time. Romanian spectralism is a completely new thing to me, I've heard of Radulescu briefly, but haven't actually listened to his music, I look forward to exploring more!
very interesting indeed! I played (electric) guitar on a Grisey piece at The Proms in London a few years ago - I had no idea he was a spectralist! I will definitely be watching this video again as it's full of great stuff to check out, many thanks!!!
Amazing directions cited here ! I only knew of the Romanian Radelescu so finding out that many Romanians were investigating the spectra and questioning issues some ten yrears before the French was great news . Wonderful that you traced roots of this trend all over the world !
It would be cool to see you do a deep dive on synthesis and analogue tools. These really are a new class of tools to work with! Very nice work, I love your video essays
very nice video! It was a wild ride studying the spectral movement in College. My teacher knows these people, José Augusto Mannis, check out his music it's freackin awesome. When we mentioned about our interest in spectral music his answer was "oh really? cool, I was part of the movement in Paris". All our jaws hit the floor. This happened somewhat frequently, like when we mentioned pieces and he was like "yeah I remember.... I recorded the debut....". Seeing a well made youtube video like this really brings glee to my heart on sharing about this paradigm of music. Especially since you layed out perfectly how the composer's feel about the label "spectralist". It is kind of seen as a discipline without a proper name. Almost if applied acoustics would make more sense. Btw, curious that you mentioned Wagner as a precursor, normally we mention Debussy, as if you see his "harmonies" of dissonance and cossonance as rough and smooth, his music has a very diferent perspective. Although still very coherent. Writing music, using these techniques doesn't feel like your a "spectralist" more like your using a "contemporary harmony/orchestration", although even that is reductionist. But it still feels within that "type" of category of discipline in music. And I feel you had a great exposition on how people think of this and perceive it. I'd be curious if you mention Live Electronics and other ElectroAcoustic Music that derive/intertwine with this paradigm. Peace from Brazil
I've always been interested in the harmonic series as a universal expression of music. Seems as though spectralism can be understood as cross cultural. Great video!
OK so I’m a drone musician myself and it’s fascinating to hear about things I’ve been developing myself from a different perspective, albeit from the perspective of waveforms not the harmonic series. I’ll have to follow this rabbit, thanks for the stimulating and informative presentation!
To offer some insight, just working with waveforms is not so far from working with the harmonic series if, when you work, you take into account the relationships between different waveforms, both in frequency and amplitude. I think the beauty of working with the harmonic series is that it ties together the physical, the aesthetic and the conceptual realms very seamlessly. For an intuitive introduction and development into this concept, I recommend you to check out W.A. Mathieu’s book ‘Harmonic Experience’. The first few chapters dwell on dronality. I reckon it will have a significant impact on your practice.
I've written a few electronic drone compositions, and I actually did work with notes and the harmonic series similar to how spectral composers do, although I wasn't really very aware of spectral composition at the time.
Fantastic video! Per Nørgårds use of spectralist techniques is actually far more extended and varied than is mentioned here. Just look at his piece for organ "canon" and of course his 3'rd symphony! Again fantastic video
Always love your videos, finding them immensely informative and fun, but you have out-done yourself here. This video caused me to realize, among other things, how much I truly admire spectral music and how much I have missed luxuriating myself in it in all of its forms, as I have not listened to this music much in the past few years. And, as much as I find the French spectralists mesmerizing, I have always found the roumanian spectralists more intriguing and flat-out weird. Great job and keep up the good work.
If I can make a suggestion for a composer you should cover, I’d love to see an episode about Anatoly Lyadov. His piece Kikimora is one of my favorite pieces of all time.
Oh I know that I am not exactly the target audience for this video. I am basically a three chord country music kind of guy. But I find these concepts interesting. And I have been considering something along these lines in my own recordings however trying to keep a chord structure and melody line going. I know it’s not the same thing that you’re talking about here but again it was very interesting. Thank you very much.
In the context of your musical practice, I think the spectralist attitude would be most helpful and make the most sense to apply in the composition and manipulation of timbre. You could start by thinking how does the sensations provided by a chordal instrument differ if its timbre differs. For example, if you use an electric guitar, crank the volume of its amplifier and pay attention to the particular sonic qualities that arise by using different pickup, tone control, volume control and playing attack combinations. The next step towards manipulating the possibilities of this experiment would be to delve into the electronic modifications that can be made to the instrument’s circuit to enhance a particular sonic quality or behavior of the circuit, which is a rabbit hole of its own but very much worthy of exploring too. I hope this information helps!
@@unoaotroa It helps a lot. The thing is, I have been thinking about this for quite some time I just never knew there was a name for it all. For instance, oh I love the open de note on guitar. De 3 just sends chills down my spine. I love that note and I can’t explain why. I have thought about writing a composition just around the D chord using mostly slide resonator style guitar. A.k.a., dobro. Playing around the D chord I have two dobros in different tuning‘s and can re-to notes to help me fine different sounds different octaves. And then maybe some mandolin on top of that. I’ve contemplated it for a while just never have gotten around to it. The fact that I do not read or write music and will be doing it all by ear makes it problematic but I know that I can do it because I have been riding gospel songs for 30 years.
Ana-Maria Avram was great and part of Romanian Spectral scene. will be nice to have something about her and add some perspective to the typical all male narrative ..
Great content, thanks so much! There is one passage that I did not completely understand: "One thing that sets Radelescu aside from other Romanian spectra lists is his affinity for what Teodore (some Romanian surname) calls 'mimetic spectralism'. Mimetic spectralism pitches harmonic and inharmonic spectra against each other to create tension." Could you elaborate a little bit on what you mean by that? A Google search hasn't really yielded any useful results.
4:20 Isn't rhythm the only factor here? At small enough timescales, rhythm becomes pitch to our ears, and at even smaller you also get timbre (assuming the dominant pitch here is the root note). But maybe I am getting ahead of myself ^^
Really informative, thanks! I’d heard of Murail and Grisey and was intrigued by what I’ve heard of their work, and it great to know more. I wonder: would Eliane Radigue vaguely fit into Spectralism? Her influences are mostly from musique concrète and Buddhism, but she often used analogue filters to pick out the harmonics from electronic tones as part of long, hypnotic drones, and has been working more recently with acoustic instruments in ways that emphasises subtle shifts in timbres more than traditional harmonic movement.
I was thinking along those lines. In fact, I'll pose there is a sinecdoque in between the spiritual dimension and the acoustic dimension of Eliane Radigue's works. And however unintendedly, spectral depth always seemed to me her fundamental aim, albeit perceptually slightly subdued by the ongoingness of the droning.
Amazing content! Keep it coming, so insightful and direct. Thanks. P.S. just a suggestion from a new fan, i think you might benefit from better lighting and color processing))
if we need to talk about spectral music, we have to talk the first man: Toshirō Mayuzumi, and now the second spectral musical school: Philippe Hurel, Philippe Leroux, Jean luc hevare. there are more important than Hass.
It seems like spectralism could be an interesting starting point to talk about the composition of various genres of electronic music. I haven't yet finished the video as I type this, but I'm wondering if anyone has done spectral compositions that make use of additive synthesis.
Awesome presentation and topic! Very well prepared my friend. I personally loathe almost everything beyond the late romantic era, but I still respect the skills these masters had, even if their compositions sounds horrible to me in comparison to traditional composers. Thanks for the upload!
I am enjoying your quality educational contents as usual, but If you could talk about Aaron Cassidy composer, it would so very great. He is distinctive, fascinating and unusual :)
Am I mistaken or is a minor triad formed between the 6th, 7th, and 9th partials? It would technically be termed a septimal subminor triad I think because the third is flat by about thirty cents but still. Also I think there’s a much closer one higher up-16:19:24. The 19th harmonic is only a couple of cents flat of a 12tet minor third I’m pretty sure
Corneliu Cesar's "Aum" sounds very close to American blues. Just a few minor corrections, and it will be blues. There is something of spectralism in some blues, isn't it.
Hi,I have to questions :) - do you know any classical "songs" in which we have harmonic Major/ionian b6 or any modes of harm. Major?? - what is/are,most problematic hands/fingers movements on guitar during chords changes of course? Your top 10 :) which part of which compositions?
*INFORMATION AND SHOW NOTES*
The first 1,000 people to use the link will get a 1 month free trial of Skillshare: skl.sh/classicalnerd09221
*Show notes/clarifications:*
- In general, the line between proto-spectral, spectral, and post-spectral composers can be murky-more so than for many other techniques, schools, or trends in contemporary music. You may disagree with me putting Tenney and Haas into a more spectral camp while excluding Saariaho, and that's fine; I think it serves well to illustrate how elusive these terms are.
27:58 - Rădulescu _escaped_ to Paris. I did a video (pronouncing his name even more poorly than here!) some years ago, which provides a little more detail about his life, but much less about spectral technique.
32:28 - Daniel Kientzy [ kientzy.pro/en/biography ] does _far_ more than just work with Romanian spectral composers. I didn't want to imply that that's the only thing that he does.
37:44 - Originally a piece of IRCAM software called _Orchidée,_ it's since become _Orch-Idea_ [ www.orch-idea.org ], which allows for interface with Max/MSP as well as doubling as an English pun that illustrates what, exactly, it does: orchestration ideas.
38:12 - I'd like to thank new $2 patron *ScriabinAddict53,* who joined up after this video had already been rendered and submitted for sponsor approval.
Finally (for those who have clicked through), a word about sponsorships: the PhD-student life puts enormous pressure on my time. Regardless of my passion for making this content, it isn't financially sustainable without sponsorships. Without Skillshare stepping in, it'd be unlikely that I'd be able to carve out the time to produce monthly videos.
Sadly we lost the amazing spectral composer Kaija Saariaho a couple weeks ago. May she be remembered through her music for decades to come. Rest in peace.
Saariaho was indeed a great composer, but she's not an spectralist.
*post-spectralist
As a synth nerd this is super fascinating. Resonates with my obsession timbre and overtones as primary over melody or rhythm.
"Resonates"
34:16 MuseScore 3.6
Hello there, Tantaboi
Omg it's the Cruel Tanta™, no way
A video on Conlon Nancarrow would be really cool
There's this amazing composer named Thomas Little, you should do a video on him sometime.
there were an awful lot of names being thrown around in this presentation, light kun.
I sure hope you weren't taking notes.
I would really like to hear him talk about his own music more, although it's possible that he has and I've just missed it
There is something really captivating about Grisey's music. A few years back, i wished for a record of Les Espaces acoustiques as a Christmas present.
The minor triad can be represented in the (harmonic) overtone series as 10:12:15. It's there, but its root is the 5th harmonic instead of the fundamental.
Hey look a spectralist composer!
There's likely a particularly high concentration of people watching this video and in this comment section who are very grateful for your scale generator website, myself included.
"Right on, I wonder who this enlightened music lover is!"
"Oh, it's Sevish... yeah that makes sense."
Ah, but what about 16:19:24, That's a minor triad over the root(well an octave of it but we treat octaves as the same pitch)
@@doesthishavetobearealname7647 16:19:24 has a much higher complexity than 10:12:15. You could also use 6:7:9 to get a lower complexity. I am a big fan of 22:26:33, which sounds almost identical to 16:19:24
Haas’s “in vain” is extraordinary not only for the harmonic battle that you mention, but also for the overall form. The music seems to analyze itself during the course of the formal argument. For example: The perpetual downward runs that open the piece, and which recur later, are at one point gradually slowed down to near stasis, allowing one to hear the individual chords that earlier whizzed by. It turns out that they are almost conventionally beautiful, with heavy emotional weight. Yet Haas has said that it’s the other sections-the lights-out episodes based on overtone harmony-which represent the more “ideal” music, a sort of glimpse into a Utopian rainbow land. An epochal work, a masterpiece quite unlike any other.
This is probably one of the best summations of spectralism done in a coherent way. I am very happy about your inclusion of Romanian spectralism. I am wondering if you are considering a follow-up on Hyper-Spectralism (Romania) and Saturationism (France), especially considering the wonderful female Romanian composer Avram.
Love this video! My senior project in college was an analysis/explanation of Grisey's Vortex Temporum. While I don't listen to a ton of spectral music these days, I still feel a strong connection to it and enjoy the occasional delve back into the music 😊
How am i only now discovering this channel?? This rules. 20th century music rules. Instant sub.
Thank you Thomas. This was a well researched episode and most appreciated. Congratulations. Very enjoyable!
I am a huge classical music nerd myself as well as a former classical pianist and I am so addicted to your channel. I love that you cover both the major and sadly forgotten composers. I requested Albeniz previously somewhere but I'd be so thrilled to see Kabalevsky, Ibert, and Babadjanian as well! Pretty please!!
Duly noted: www.lentovivace.com/classicalnerd.html
I was somewhat familiar with Grisey, Murail, and some of their students, as well as with several of the other composers you discuss here, but the Romanian spectralists are all new to me. I consider myself someone who knows a fair amount about 20th-century music; how exciting to find something completely unfamiliar!
I'm rather surprised I hadn't come across your channel before. I look forward to exploring more of it.
Doing an analysis exam in Italy about a guitar piece written by Murail, "Tellur". Thank you for creating this content, it really helped me out to have a wider knowledge about spectralism without having to spent countless hours finding sources and read them. Great job
Another great lecture! This is all new to me.
Thank you, Thomas. Good to see you again. Above my head, but I'm all in, Maestro 🌹🌹🌹🌹
Very informative introduction to this genre.
I adore your work! Thank you so much for your brilliant and generous spirit!
Thanks so much...this channel is like a Conservatory after graduation....big helpful information....🙏
At last the wait was worth the wait
Thanks for this, I've been waiting for this video for a long time. Romanian spectralism is a completely new thing to me, I've heard of Radulescu briefly, but haven't actually listened to his music, I look forward to exploring more!
I'm here for this. Digging it
very interesting indeed! I played (electric) guitar on a Grisey piece at The Proms in London a few years ago - I had no idea he was a spectralist! I will definitely be watching this video again as it's full of great stuff to check out, many thanks!!!
Amazing directions cited here ! I only knew of the Romanian Radelescu so finding out that many Romanians were investigating the spectra and questioning issues some ten yrears before the French was great news . Wonderful that you traced roots of this trend all over the world !
I'm going to make good use of this at some point. Thanks for the video.
This film is very useful and also it took a lot of time to make...so thank u Mr. Little. wish you the best.
Didn't expect this. Cool.
It would be cool to see you do a deep dive on synthesis and analogue tools. These really are a new class of tools to work with! Very nice work, I love your video essays
especially from an academic's perspective, I think the work of Allen Strange might be of interest to you in the realm of synthesis
Thanks for making this video, it's a good one
Thank you... very interesting!
This is such a good video! So dense with information, but presented very clearly.
Alright.
Who else managed to see wild man Dumitrescu on his short US run a few years back?
Incredible, just needed more volume.
nice overview. i'm a big fan of murail and grisey (and saariaho and harvey!).
Can you do a video on moondog?
Duly noted.
Thank You! Cool video
you're living my high school dream and i love it for you
Take: Glenn Branca as proto - serialist. Question for the masses: anyone know how to get scores for his early symphonies?
Oof.*proto - spectralist
very nice video!
It was a wild ride studying the spectral movement in College.
My teacher knows these people, José Augusto Mannis, check out his music it's freackin awesome.
When we mentioned about our interest in spectral music his answer was "oh really? cool, I was part of the movement in Paris". All our jaws hit the floor. This happened somewhat frequently, like when we mentioned pieces and he was like "yeah I remember.... I recorded the debut....".
Seeing a well made youtube video like this really brings glee to my heart on sharing about this paradigm of music. Especially since you layed out perfectly how the composer's feel about the label "spectralist". It is kind of seen as a discipline without a proper name. Almost if applied acoustics would make more sense.
Btw, curious that you mentioned Wagner as a precursor, normally we mention Debussy, as if you see his "harmonies" of dissonance and cossonance as rough and smooth, his music has a very diferent perspective. Although still very coherent.
Writing music, using these techniques doesn't feel like your a "spectralist" more like your using a "contemporary harmony/orchestration", although even that is reductionist. But it still feels within that "type" of category of discipline in music. And I feel you had a great exposition on how people think of this and perceive it.
I'd be curious if you mention Live Electronics and other ElectroAcoustic Music that derive/intertwine with this paradigm.
Peace from Brazil
Thanks!
Woo!!! Exciting!
what a great and informative video/lecture 🙏🙏🙏
this video is sooo good, many many thanks for your work🎉
Well alright now! I enjoy all of your videos but especially excited for this one!
Perhaps a video on Yngve Sköld?
Duly noted.
I've always been interested in the harmonic series as a universal expression of music. Seems as though spectralism can be understood as cross cultural. Great video!
I very much appreciate this episod and I found some new favorits. Thank you!
OK so I’m a drone musician myself and it’s fascinating to hear about things I’ve been developing myself from a different perspective, albeit from the perspective of waveforms not the harmonic series. I’ll have to follow this rabbit, thanks for the stimulating and informative presentation!
To offer some insight, just working with waveforms is not so far from working with the harmonic series if, when you work, you take into account the relationships between different waveforms, both in frequency and amplitude.
I think the beauty of working with the harmonic series is that it ties together the physical, the aesthetic and the conceptual realms very seamlessly. For an intuitive introduction and development into this concept, I recommend you to check out W.A. Mathieu’s book ‘Harmonic Experience’. The first few chapters dwell on dronality. I reckon it will have a significant impact on your practice.
I've written a few electronic drone compositions, and I actually did work with notes and the harmonic series similar to how spectral composers do, although I wasn't really very aware of spectral composition at the time.
Excellent.I learned so much!
Great video! Didn't know Romanian spectral ism : thanks a lot for this discovery.
Great video!
Fantastic video! Per Nørgårds use of spectralist techniques is actually far more extended and varied than is mentioned here. Just look at his piece for organ "canon" and of course his 3'rd symphony! Again fantastic video
Bravo!
Thank you for the great video!
Always love your videos, finding them immensely informative and fun, but you have out-done yourself here. This video caused me to realize, among other things, how much I truly admire spectral music and how much I have missed luxuriating myself in it in all of its forms, as I have not listened to this music much in the past few years. And, as much as I find the French spectralists mesmerizing, I have always found the roumanian spectralists more intriguing and flat-out weird. Great job and keep up the good work.
Thank you for sharing this! What a wealth of knowledge :)
If I can make a suggestion for a composer you should cover, I’d love to see an episode about Anatoly Lyadov. His piece Kikimora is one of my favorite pieces of all time.
Duly noted.
Oh I know that I am not exactly the target audience for this video. I am basically a three chord country music kind of guy. But I find these concepts interesting. And I have been considering something along these lines in my own recordings however trying to keep a chord structure and melody line going. I know it’s not the same thing that you’re talking about here but again it was very interesting. Thank you very much.
In the context of your musical practice, I think the spectralist attitude would be most helpful and make the most sense to apply in the composition and manipulation of timbre.
You could start by thinking how does the sensations provided by a chordal instrument differ if its timbre differs. For example, if you use an electric guitar, crank the volume of its amplifier and pay attention to the particular sonic qualities that arise by using different pickup, tone control, volume control and playing attack combinations.
The next step towards manipulating the possibilities of this experiment would be to delve into the electronic modifications that can be made to the instrument’s circuit to enhance a particular sonic quality or behavior of the circuit, which is a rabbit hole of its own but very much worthy of exploring too.
I hope this information helps!
@@unoaotroa It helps a lot. The thing is, I have been thinking about this for quite some time I just never knew there was a name for it all. For instance, oh I love the open de note on guitar. De 3 just sends chills down my spine. I love that note and I can’t explain why. I have thought about writing a composition just around the D chord using mostly slide resonator style guitar. A.k.a., dobro. Playing around the D chord I have two dobros in different tuning‘s and can re-to notes to help me fine different sounds different octaves. And then maybe some mandolin on top of that. I’ve contemplated it for a while just never have gotten around to it. The fact that I do not read or write music and will be doing it all by ear makes it problematic but I know that I can do it because I have been riding gospel songs for 30 years.
Ana-Maria Avram was great and part of Romanian Spectral scene. will be nice to have something about her and add some perspective to the typical all male narrative ..
Tristan Murail's "Désintegrations" is one of my favorite spectralist pieces, among many others.
Dare I say any good symphony as a component or element of spectralism in it. Choice of who and when together for which melody is essential.
also bookshelf tour please. What are your favorite books on music/musicians
thank you
Thank you for making your videos, fantastic work!
loved the video 💪💕
Great video - and I really like the pacing on this one...not as frenetic as other offerings 😁
Great video! I learned a lot.
Hello, I've just discovered this channel
Have you done anything on Arvo Pärt before? Would really love to hear your take on him
I was hearing some of the composers during the video and I was thinking Scelzi has to be a precedent. Great video.
I laughed at the sound intro. Good.
Nice!!🌹
Wonderful: Couldn't agree with the conclusion any more. 😀
Always glad to you get a notification of a new vid. Thanks man.
i cant find the score to the 4 pezzi ANYWHERE. where did you get it???
Great content, thanks so much!
There is one passage that I did not completely understand: "One thing that sets Radelescu aside from other Romanian spectra lists is his affinity for what Teodore (some Romanian surname) calls 'mimetic spectralism'. Mimetic spectralism pitches harmonic and inharmonic spectra against each other to create tension." Could you elaborate a little bit on what you mean by that? A Google search hasn't really yielded any useful results.
I can’t believe this was recommended to me by the algorithm. Such luck today!
4:20 Isn't rhythm the only factor here? At small enough timescales, rhythm becomes pitch to our ears, and at even smaller you also get timbre (assuming the dominant pitch here is the root note).
But maybe I am getting ahead of myself ^^
great content! thank you
Really informative, thanks! I’d heard of Murail and Grisey and was intrigued by what I’ve heard of their work, and it great to know more. I wonder: would Eliane Radigue vaguely fit into Spectralism? Her influences are mostly from musique concrète and Buddhism, but she often used analogue filters to pick out the harmonics from electronic tones as part of long, hypnotic drones, and has been working more recently with acoustic instruments in ways that emphasises subtle shifts in timbres more than traditional harmonic movement.
I was thinking along those lines. In fact, I'll pose there is a sinecdoque in between the spiritual dimension and the acoustic dimension of Eliane Radigue's works. And however unintendedly, spectral depth always seemed to me her fundamental aim, albeit perceptually slightly subdued by the ongoingness of the droning.
Amazing content! Keep it coming, so insightful and direct. Thanks.
P.S. just a suggestion from a new fan, i think you might benefit from better lighting and color processing))
What music is playing in 11:03?
That should be part of _Désintégrations._
@@ClassicalNerd Thanks! It really made me feel something.
if we need to talk about spectral music, we have to talk the first man: Toshirō Mayuzumi, and now the second spectral musical school: Philippe Hurel, Philippe Leroux, Jean luc hevare. there are more important than Hass.
It seems like spectralism could be an interesting starting point to talk about the composition of various genres of electronic music. I haven't yet finished the video as I type this, but I'm wondering if anyone has done spectral compositions that make use of additive synthesis.
15:22 Oh, well there you go
At 23:33 the automatically generated subtitles oscillate between [music] and [applause]
Awesome presentation and topic! Very well prepared my friend. I personally loathe almost everything beyond the late romantic era, but I still respect the skills these masters had, even if their compositions sounds horrible to me in comparison to traditional composers. Thanks for the upload!
I would like a video about Dmitry Kabalevsky.
Duly noted.
I am enjoying your quality educational contents as usual, but If you could talk about Aaron Cassidy composer, it would so very great. He is distinctive, fascinating and unusual :)
agree
Am I mistaken or is a minor triad formed between the 6th, 7th, and 9th partials? It would technically be termed a septimal subminor triad I think because the third is flat by about thirty cents but still. Also I think there’s a much closer one higher up-16:19:24. The 19th harmonic is only a couple of cents flat of a 12tet minor third I’m pretty sure
hell yes
Wow 😮
37:44 What was that computer program called? Very curious.
See the show notes in the pinned comment.
I see. Thank you!!
The Romanian spectralism reminds me of some of the drone metal by groups like Sunn O))
What the link to the program in this video
See the show notes.
Corneliu Cesar's "Aum" sounds very close to American blues. Just a few minor corrections, and it will be blues. There is something of spectralism in some blues, isn't it.
There's a connection between "blue notes" and the harmonic series, for sure!
Ana-Maria Avram seemingly left out of the roll call of Romanian spectralists.
Hi,I have to questions :)
- do you know any classical "songs" in which we have
harmonic Major/ionian b6
or any modes of harm. Major??
- what is/are,most problematic hands/fingers movements on guitar
during chords changes of course?
Your top 10 :) which part of which compositions?
What's the software mentioned at the end?
See the show notes in the pinned comment
Thanks. I'd looked in the video description but somehow didn't think of the pinned comment. @@ClassicalNerd
Thanks for mentioning Saariaho, she’s a rockstar of spectralism!
uah! i did not know anything about all this... uah, thank you! 🐻👍👍👍 🌜💥🌛