Man he just articulated what I've thought about for a while. the "algorithm" is social control. If you get people to think "these types of things is what will get me seen" then whoever controls the algorithm controls the collective consciousness.... Also think big tech likes "the algorithm" because it's a great scapegoat. When people ask "why did you guys feature certain content over other content?" they just get to blame "the algorithm". Nevermind who is programing the algorithm.
He’s 100% on point. You have these super viral videos that trick people into playing them over and over looking for something that isn’t even in the video. People are worshipping an abstract data algorithm rather than the viewers themselves.
its pretty simple really, be funny on stage as a comedian and you will do ok. Its people that follow Joe Rogans claim to fame that have issues like this where they basically want all the notoriety without actually being a top class comedian and killing it in standup specials. They know what they need to do but seem to do everything EXCEPT make good stand up specials
idk if they are worshipping the algorithm as much as they are just trying to use it to make money which is like who cares its all bs anyway so just ignore it
man shutting down twitter & IG a week ago has done so much for just the way I feel about everything. The first few days were hard as a serial scroller whenever things got quiet, to just take in and be present. I no longer feel like I'm "missing out".
Favorite living comedian. So lucky to have been able to see him perform live twice over the past few years. Love hearing his thoughts on art and comedy!!
Louis already had enough fans that have followed him for years. He doesn’t need algorithms. He has life long fans that share his work to other friends and that’s how he started many years ago. I remember a friend brought a VHS or DVD tape of Louis to a house party about 20 years ago. He then became my favorite comedian and everyone else’s in the room. Then, it was shared by mouth and conversation. Then we went to shows, every NYC show he had. We saw him at shows.. We watched, ‘Lucky Louis” As fans, you follow the artistry because it’s part of one’s humor. His humor has chemistry with his fans. He then began creating shows and more content and that kept building. I met Louis quickly and his friends. I met his friends. It was years and years of Louis. I was in tears to see him back. That’s how it builds. Fortunately, Louis still has committed fans that separate the art from the whatever Bs that he doesn’t get to defend. It hurt him financially, I bet but fans weren’t going anywhere especially over something that ridiculous and over blown from 1994. Pfft. He also explained it well. We wanted the humor, the artistry, the mind of Louis back. It’s a win win for fans and for Louis. Luckily, he didn’t start during the whole internet craze. He is locked in! Funny, the friend that brought that VHS to the party is now an upcoming actor. Talent recognizes talent and that’s how it was shared to us. No matter what people say, he is right next to George Carlin (Richard, Eddie Murphy and Chapelle are great too) and will always be historically FYI I am a straight Latina woman and a Louis fan. I went to a recent show and women were there. Some of us work in the mental health field. We shared that with Louis. Not all circumstances are what it appears in the media.
Theo is the first person I thought of when he was talking about someone who was getting better and then fell off because of popularity based on social media
@@ogivignjevic I went and saw him live and his set was more of a live podcast than standup. I used to be excited for him to progress into a polished comedian but it doesn't seem like that's his goal. Of course, he's well within his rights to stick to being a successful traveling podcaster but as a fan of standup it was disappointing
Great insights and a life lesson from Louis CK. Another illustration that in this day and age, comics are a more reliable source of wisdom than political leaders. He actually give a life lesson that goes well beyond aspiring comics. Below a certain age, nobody's immune to the pressure of social media, and is forced to decide whether to play the game - even minimally, and resist by walking away from these platforms. Broadly speaking, the necessity to strike a balance between individual goals and bending to social pressure is nothing new, but Louis CK's update helps put in perspective the role played by social media. Throughout history, It's never been easy to negotiate between personal aspirations and family or peer pressure. But it's even harder to do so in the eye of social media.
Louie’s mind is great .. I wish there were more people that thought and lived like him it’s very bare bones old timey integrity humble lifestyle I love it
@@superslavbross9935 i wish i could remember when he talked about it, but I don't, i strongly recommend to check every episode he appeared in though, because it's all gold. Boy did he elevate that show
This stuff is where his comedy comes from - like he writes a mini thesis in his mind of pure truth, like this, then distills this background thinking into 2 or 3 sentences
this is exactly how i do it.. why tailor my craft to anything but my love and interest? if people decide to fuck with shit i do then thats cool but trying to blow up is dumb asf for any kind of artist in my opinion. unless u make pop music or want to do clean comedy or something.. the type of shit thatis meant to be appealing to everyone. JBP gave great advice on this subject: secure ur income through other means so that you dont starve to death as a creative
Lucky Louie was on the best sitcoms ever made, I still fondly remember Louie laying on the bed with his stomach out, sleeping when he was supposed to watch Lucy; instead he had given custody over to their neighbour, who was taking Lucy to church. Just peak comedy.
Thankyou this was great! I think social media in about 10-15 years will be considered similar to how we consider smoking today. Once everyone did it and it was ubiquitous but turns out to be extremely dangerous. Maybe it will the same ? I'd rather do my own things, figure out my own voice and see what comes of it. What's meant for you will come to you. Algorithms or no I reckon...
I'm a huge Louis fan and have always been. It's funny that I'm looking at this right now because being a huge fan helped the algorithm suggest based on my activities, which mainly focus on following him.
Exactly the reason why people like brandan schaub arise and get hate. Forced somewhere they dont belong with tech. Very interesting points being made here.
I started a channel and I agree with this so much.. I don’t care about the algorithm, it’s all about pushing more commercials they don’t care about the content - it’s a machine it’s doesn’t understand authenticity
I'm showing this in my social media marketing class to subliminally call out all the social media heads that can't have a conversation so save their lives
I totally believe he told loren Michael’s to fire Pete Davidson…and he was 100% in the right to do so. If you’re whole reason to be an artist is to dick around and not to work on your craft and take it seriously it’s a fucking slap in the face to everyone who obsess to perfect their own craft
Chris saying, "you heard him kids, get on the algorithm, its the only way." killed me. So true though, I refuse to promote my art on social media because I would have to make a certain style of content that isn't me.
Most of the people I follow and watch are people that make a living on Patreon, Twitch donations, and other direct fan support. Not algorithmic support. I found them through word of mouth, and the algorithm never shows them because they are real and raw. Kid friendly is not what everyone should strive for, not unless you wanna get success for a brief window and then bury yourself in irrelevance
This is like when you try to return a defective item to Amazon and it says just keep it so it doesn’t receive a poor review. The store or algorithm preferred to lose the money, crazy.
First step, have money then be a comic so your aren’t actually doing it for money. You are doing it because you love it. Become a lawyer or something and then start the stand up career.
This is very interesting. I am trying to be a writer. All the advise there are about it is to be in Social Media, to organise your live to post, at least, once per week so you can grow an audience, even before writing anything, so you have someone to sell your book. Bullshit, I say, if you are a writer, you have to write. That's it. Obviously, once to book is publish you have to make it visible somehow, ads... a little bit of social media... some sort of promotion. I refuse to be a slave of Social Media. If I don't sell books, I don't sell books. Yet, I will be a writer.
He's right. There are plenty of killer artists who don't post on social media and still get around. He dated one of them, actually. That would be Fiona Apple. Also, half the time it ends up bringing you down in the end. You're a brand, not a person. So if you fuck up and you say the wrong thing, it's over. Why bother? If you're a performer, stick to performances. I think those make sense to post, personally. Beyond that, no.
Louis is so spot on with this. It’s like he’s on a whole other spiritual plane from the guy asking the question, and he sums it up brilliantly with his initial response - “you don’t have to do that”. That’s the entire issue, is people thinking they have to do that. If you think that then you’ve already lost.
We're being trained to find things out of repetitive content to entertain us, which is on purpose because the more hours we spend, the more ads they can serve us. We're no longer looking for substance and talent, or even things that are different and unique. Case and point. How many left cheek right cheek dancing shorts have you seen today. It's mindless and deeply repetitive and we watch them hoping to find something entertaining. Crazy.
Stagnation in comedy is two or 3 fold. Playing the algorithmic game or worrying about being canceled. So you not true to self. Who got severed, the up and becomers.
Beautiful. Instead of obsessing about what you are creating, hoping it explains a part of human existence that will uniquely resonate with other people you act in a way to be the optimal parameters for a contrived equation produced by a bunch of soulless technocrats in silicon valley
Half agree half disagree. I agree, quality content always stands out, and censoring cuss words is cringey and pathetic, but the algorithm is just a design. And it works on a lot of platforms. I watch funny stuff, and i get served more funny stuff. Hence why we're all here, on this random video.
I love Louis CK's comedy and him as a person but I don't think he really knows how social media algorithms work. You aren't trying to attract the algorithm, the algorithm doesn't consume content. It only categorizes and distributes based on user engagement. That said, if you are doing what other people are doing because they found success doing it, you may see a bump in engagement. That can only be temporary and then you are caught chasing the next wave. Instead, if you are being your authentic self and people like it, the algorithm will categorize your content and distribute it to other people that it thinks will engage with it as well.
Louis isn't underrated for his comedy, but the one thing he is underrated for...is thoughts on stuff like this. He's an incredible bright man
You must be listening to some right thickos if you've not heard stuff like this before. Comedy is old; name a new thing Louis has done if you can.
@@nazirkazi2588 good job completely missing the point big boy
@@turdferguson353 OK, I've missed it. Can you describe the point so I can be better educated, big boy?
Sad thing is he's not saying anything smart or profound. It's common fucking sense and people still ask questions like this.
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Man he just articulated what I've thought about for a while. the "algorithm" is social control. If you get people to think "these types of things is what will get me seen" then whoever controls the algorithm controls the collective consciousness.... Also think big tech likes "the algorithm" because it's a great scapegoat. When people ask "why did you guys feature certain content over other content?" they just get to blame "the algorithm". Nevermind who is programing the algorithm.
He’s 100% on point. You have these super viral videos that trick people into playing them over and over looking for something that isn’t even in the video. People are worshipping an abstract data algorithm rather than the viewers themselves.
Thanx "Captain Obvious!"🤣🤣🤣
its pretty simple really, be funny on stage as a comedian and you will do ok. Its people that follow Joe Rogans claim to fame that have issues like this where they basically want all the notoriety without actually being a top class comedian and killing it in standup specials. They know what they need to do but seem to do everything EXCEPT make good stand up specials
it's like writing the screenplay that THEY tell you
will fly. "We'd like to see a little more of this, that,
the guy that walks-in end of act 2."
idk if they are worshipping the algorithm as much as they are just trying to use it to make money which is like who cares its all bs anyway so just ignore it
People are just parrots.
I love you Louis CK. Please don’t change.
The older one gets, the less one changes, so probably nothing to worry about.
@@cl-7832spoken like a stagnant Steve
I thought it was going to be a short, dismissive answer at the start but then he gave a fantasticly honest answer about what's going on
man shutting down twitter & IG a week ago has done so much for just the way I feel about everything. The first few days were hard as a serial scroller whenever things got quiet, to just take in and be present. I no longer feel like I'm "missing out".
Now you scroll youtube?
@@funsimulator7246 help me.
@@asdfasdfasdfasdeff no lol
Louis face in the last frame is great! Laughing at the algorithm joke
Favorite living comedian. So lucky to have been able to see him perform live twice over the past few years. Love hearing his thoughts on art and comedy!!
Louis already had enough fans that have followed him for years. He doesn’t need algorithms. He has life long fans that share his work to other friends and that’s how he started many years ago. I remember a friend brought a VHS or DVD tape of Louis to a house party about 20 years ago. He then became my favorite comedian and everyone else’s in the room. Then, it was shared by mouth and conversation. Then we went to shows, every NYC show he had. We saw him at shows.. We watched, ‘Lucky Louis” As fans, you follow the artistry because it’s part of one’s humor. His humor has chemistry with his fans. He then began creating shows and more content and that kept building. I met Louis quickly and his friends. I met his friends. It was years and years of Louis. I was in tears to see him back. That’s how it builds. Fortunately, Louis still has committed fans that separate the art from the whatever Bs that he doesn’t get to defend. It hurt him financially, I bet but fans weren’t going anywhere especially over something that ridiculous and over blown from 1994. Pfft. He also explained it well. We wanted the humor, the artistry, the mind of Louis back. It’s a win win for fans and for Louis. Luckily, he didn’t start during the whole internet craze. He is locked in! Funny, the friend that brought that VHS to the party is now an upcoming actor. Talent recognizes talent and that’s how it was shared to us. No matter what people say, he is right next to George Carlin (Richard, Eddie Murphy and Chapelle are great too) and will always be historically FYI I am a straight Latina woman and a Louis fan. I went to a recent show and women were there. Some of us work in the mental health field. We shared that with Louis. Not all circumstances are what it appears in the media.
Bro easily explained how i been feeling for years
Louis's comments are so wise. It's the same in "high" education.
"We shape our tools and our tools shape us" - Marshall McLuhan
Theo is the first person I thought of when he was talking about someone who was getting better and then fell off because of popularity based on social media
Same here man. Literally thought of Theo
Is he curating his content to fit social media? He's not funny anymore?
@@ogivignjevic I went and saw him live and his set was more of a live podcast than standup. I used to be excited for him to progress into a polished comedian but it doesn't seem like that's his goal. Of course, he's well within his rights to stick to being a successful traveling podcaster but as a fan of standup it was disappointing
@@ogivignjevic Both
This is so important on so many levels.
I'm glad the algorithm brought me this.
Can be applied to any scenario, not only comedy. Really nicely said
Great insights and a life lesson from Louis CK. Another illustration that in this day and age, comics are a more reliable source of wisdom than political leaders. He actually give a life lesson that goes well beyond aspiring comics. Below a certain age, nobody's immune to the pressure of social media, and is forced to decide whether to play the game - even minimally, and resist by walking away from these platforms. Broadly speaking, the necessity to strike a balance between individual goals and bending to social pressure is nothing new, but Louis CK's update helps put in perspective the role played by social media. Throughout history, It's never been easy to negotiate between personal aspirations and family or peer pressure. But it's even harder to do so in the eye of social media.
He’s spot on. It’s sad seeing so many comics with great potential give up the craft for likes and followers
Louie’s mind is great .. I wish there were more people that thought and lived like him it’s very bare bones old timey integrity humble lifestyle I love it
Love this man's mind and his unwavering common sense.
Everything he said is 100% true. Especially the last part.
Thank you, Louis, for pointing this out! You're so right!!!
The most mind-blowing aspect of this is that Louie actually talked about this on Opie and Anthony something like 15 years ago before it even happened
Damn,i need to check it out
@@superslavbross9935 i wish i could remember when he talked about it, but I don't, i strongly recommend to check every episode he appeared in though, because it's all gold.
Boy did he elevate that show
Exactly, Louis still hits the nail on the haed all the time.
This stuff is where his comedy comes from - like he writes a mini thesis in his mind of pure truth, like this, then distills this background thinking into 2 or 3 sentences
Ironic that we would have never seen this video if the algorithm didn’t push it to us
Opposite for me- I have to search Louis and Chapelle vids lately…the equation doesn’t support wisdom😅
Some of the realest I’ve heard in a while.
The interviewer didn’t expect the answer and fake “yeah”d his way through it
this is a profound discussion...
An algorithm is not an equation. It’s a step-by-step sequence of instructions. A procedure.
this is exactly how i do it.. why tailor my craft to anything but my love and interest? if people decide to fuck with shit i do then thats cool but trying to blow up is dumb asf for any kind of artist in my opinion. unless u make pop music or want to do clean comedy or something.. the type of shit thatis meant to be appealing to everyone. JBP gave great advice on this subject: secure ur income through other means so that you dont starve to death as a creative
The part about internet comics stagnating not improving their craft is so true.
Louis is the best. He’s one of the greats and he doesn’t have a big head about it.
That's it! Listen up. The visceral truth
Love it. His comment at the end, "25 years ... is also a road to shit.", ...man is that ever true as well.
@5:20 why do I feel like hes talking about Andrew Schulz lol
This is brilliant for anyone and anything with regard to social media. Again, Louis is ahead of the thinking curve.
As a senior marketer, I TOTALLY feel the same way. Whether it's true or not is a different topic :)
Lucky Louie was on the best sitcoms ever made, I still fondly remember Louie laying on the bed with his stomach out, sleeping when he was supposed to watch Lucy; instead he had given custody over to their neighbour, who was taking Lucy to church. Just peak comedy.
Fuck the algorithms, speak your guts out.
You a real one
Louis CK is very George Carlin like with the way he views things.
Thankyou this was great!
I think social media in about 10-15 years will be considered similar to how we consider smoking today. Once everyone did it and it was ubiquitous but turns out to be extremely dangerous. Maybe it will the same ?
I'd rather do my own things, figure out my own voice and see what comes of it.
What's meant for you will come to you. Algorithms or no I reckon...
That last bit hes said. Works when talking about being a dad too i would think
i needed to hear this, thanks Louis! ❤
That was some Charles Bukowski level shit at the end right there!
this was the first video suggested in my YT algo feed
Louis CK come back please
Love louie. The guy to study if u want to understand comedy.
I'm a huge Louis fan and have always been. It's funny that I'm looking at this right now because being a huge fan helped the algorithm suggest based on my activities, which mainly focus on following him.
Try just listening to this. It sounds like:
Yeah
Right
Right
Yeah
Yeah
Amazing man
Right
Yeah
Yeah
Algo doesn't care it's being dissed, picks him anyway
It’s insane that they say “rules” and “forced” when speaking about their CHOICE to have a social media presence at all.
I'm blinded by Louis, whenever he speaks I listen with my mouth open wide.
Exactly the reason why people like brandan schaub arise and get hate. Forced somewhere they dont belong with tech. Very interesting points being made here.
I started a channel and I agree with this so much.. I don’t care about the algorithm, it’s all about pushing more commercials they don’t care about the content - it’s a machine it’s doesn’t understand authenticity
"It takes 25 years to realise you never should have started"
Amen. The gram wasn’t always around.
I'm showing this in my social media marketing class to subliminally call out all the social media heads that can't have a conversation so save their lives
Louis is the F'ing king
I totally believe he told loren Michael’s to fire Pete Davidson…and he was 100% in the right to do so.
If you’re whole reason to be an artist is to dick around and not to work on your craft and take it seriously it’s a fucking slap in the face to everyone who obsess to perfect their own craft
This clip is in my algorithm
Straight up wisdom.
you can make the algorithm a variable in your own equation.
Chris saying, "you heard him kids, get on the algorithm, its the only way." killed me. So true though, I refuse to promote my art on social media because I would have to make a certain style of content that isn't me.
The only reason any of us are watching this video right now is because an algorithm brought us here. 🤔
this was fucking delightful
Most of the people I follow and watch are people that make a living on Patreon, Twitch donations, and other direct fan support. Not algorithmic support. I found them through word of mouth, and the algorithm never shows them because they are real and raw. Kid friendly is not what everyone should strive for, not unless you wanna get success for a brief window and then bury yourself in irrelevance
Listen to Louie on Opie and Anthony. He's been spot on about comedy / comedians for a long time
Ask a guy who's been a millionaire entertainer for two decades if he needs to tow the line in today's biz. 👏👏👏
This is like when you try to return a defective item to Amazon and it says just keep it so it doesn’t receive a poor review. The store or algorithm preferred to lose the money, crazy.
So glad he said it.
Social media destroyed my family, I have nothing left and I don’t know who to leave my money to.
Love Louie CK
"King Of The Algorithm" Mr Beast, essentially. I always thought that was a weird thing to focus on.
First step, have money then be a comic so your aren’t actually doing it for money. You are doing it because you love it. Become a lawyer or something and then start the stand up career.
yannis pappas is reallywhat we need
This is very interesting. I am trying to be a writer. All the advise there are about it is to be in Social Media, to organise your live to post, at least, once per week so you can grow an audience, even before writing anything, so you have someone to sell your book. Bullshit, I say, if you are a writer, you have to write. That's it. Obviously, once to book is publish you have to make it visible somehow, ads... a little bit of social media... some sort of promotion. I refuse to be a slave of Social Media. If I don't sell books, I don't sell books. Yet, I will be a writer.
Louis "open the borders bc life shouldn't be good here" CK
He's right. There are plenty of killer artists who don't post on social media and still get around. He dated one of them, actually. That would be Fiona Apple. Also, half the time it ends up bringing you down in the end. You're a brand, not a person. So if you fuck up and you say the wrong thing, it's over. Why bother? If you're a performer, stick to performances. I think those make sense to post, personally. Beyond that, no.
Don't know much about this dude. But I love this clip for sure. I'll give ya a shot man.
That's why they call it "artificial intelligence." It's not human. And it's making us artificial, too.
Louis is so spot on with this. It’s like he’s on a whole other spiritual plane from the guy asking the question, and he sums it up brilliantly with his initial response - “you don’t have to do that”. That’s the entire issue, is people thinking they have to do that. If you think that then you’ve already lost.
Jesus, you must surround yourself with complete morons to think he’s saying anything special or profound.
"Yeah"
Love the ending
A computer brought me here.
He's so right!!!
Ironically I found this though "the algorithm" 😆
Amazing advice
Great advise
I love how as he is speaking about the algorithm, the algorithm promotes this video. Ah the irony in life is poetic…
What's weird about this video is I've noticed recently that the algorithm is sending me lots of Louie CK videos. 🤔
"That's not true"
Jontron agrees.
We're being trained to find things out of repetitive content to entertain us, which is on purpose because the more hours we spend, the more ads they can serve us. We're no longer looking for substance and talent, or even things that are different and unique.
Case and point. How many left cheek right cheek dancing shorts have you seen today. It's mindless and deeply repetitive and we watch them hoping to find something entertaining. Crazy.
We all know the true advice he'd like to give.... Don't send unsolicited pictures of yourself to women
Stagnation in comedy is two or 3 fold. Playing the algorithmic game or worrying about being canceled. So you not true to self. Who got severed, the up and becomers.
CK for president!
I liked this to help the algorithm.
Beautiful. Instead of obsessing about what you are creating, hoping it explains a part of human existence that will uniquely resonate with other people you act in a way to be the optimal parameters for a contrived equation produced by a bunch of soulless technocrats in silicon valley
Half agree half disagree. I agree, quality content always stands out, and censoring cuss words is cringey and pathetic, but the algorithm is just a design. And it works on a lot of platforms. I watch funny stuff, and i get served more funny stuff. Hence why we're all here, on this random video.
I love Louis CK's comedy and him as a person but I don't think he really knows how social media algorithms work. You aren't trying to attract the algorithm, the algorithm doesn't consume content. It only categorizes and distributes based on user engagement. That said, if you are doing what other people are doing because they found success doing it, you may see a bump in engagement. That can only be temporary and then you are caught chasing the next wave. Instead, if you are being your authentic self and people like it, the algorithm will categorize your content and distribute it to other people that it thinks will engage with it as well.