I worked for a casting company using aluminum. Our cores for the castings were made of resin coated sand . After the casting had cooled the sand was removed and recycled. The sand and tiny bits of aluminum were ran across a belt with a powerful magnet as the end roller. The aluminum bits would actually leap off the belt over a divider and into a bin .
Inside that end roller is another roller inside studded with strong magnets, whirling FAST in the same direction the outer belt-drive roller is turning. The aluminum is lifted & thrown forward, away from the end of the belt. The sand drops straight down. This is used in recycling centers to separate out aluminum from paper &glass. (Steel is separated out first by another overhead upside-down moving belt at right angles with strong stationary permanent magnets above.)
@@emilyyyylime- It's called magnetic particle inspection and is used for finding cracks or surface imperfections on ferromagnetic materials. Basically, the subject being insoected is magnetized then dusted with magnetic particles that tend to clump up at the surface areas around cracks or other disruptions on the surface.
@@emilyyyylime- Eddy Current NDT. You have a small probe, like a tablet stylus, that has two separate D-shaped coils on the end. One these coils induces an electric field into the material that is tested and the other picks it up. The reading of the reading coil gets zeroed on a known-good piece of metal. When sweeping the probe across crack, the reading changes and signals the user with a spike on a display and a sound
You added a shorted turn to make an electromagnet into a ring-shaped "shaded pole". When energized with AC, It has a feeble attraction for copper and aluminum PLATES in CONTACT with it. (You could remove the copper ring, assemble two concentric coils, and drive them independently. That would use less power, and let you tune the frequency, phase difference, and waveform for maximum attraction.)
Used in AC solenoid valves and in AC relay designs and known as a "shading ring or coil" or "Frager spire or Frager coil" to reduce/eliminate frequency chatter. Cable driven speedometers and tachometers use a permanent magnet rotated by the cable to drive a copper or aluminium drag cup which carries a hairspring and the pointer at the shaft end sitting above a printed dial. Drag cup also has a small amount of nickel iron alloy fitted which shunts some of the magnet's flux but as the cup heats up with the induced current and its electrical resistivity rises, shunts less magnetism so compensating for temperature variations. Modern vehicle instruments use moving coil or moving iron meters.
Leonard R Crow - Attracting Copper, Aluminum & Other Non-Ferrous Metals - Extra - an excellently illustrated book well worth reading for its experiments and theory.
I second the recommendation, that book seems to offer a better (and simpler) explanation of the effect. I don't quite think the rotating field thing is the answer.
That opens up the thought of putting a second electromagnet inside the larger one (instead of the copper ring) and through the proper electronic circuit the phase and frequency feeding that coil could be variable. Adjusting from 90 to 180 degrees phase and from 30 to 120 hertz would make an interesting experiment.
Years ago I tool a tour of an incinerator. They made their money by collecting steel and other metals out of garbage. A magnet took out the steel and other magnetic material. They used a very strong different magnet for a flight diversion for the other metals. As a aircraft mechanic, I was baffled how a Canadian aircraft company could crimp an aluminum tube onto a steel plug with no mechanical contact. It pushed the tube into rings in the rod ends.
So, it's still a repulsive force. But because the magnet fields are being twisted around onto themselves, it's repulsing the aluminum into the magnet to give it the appearance of attraction.
When you said some might figure it out from the ring alone, it snapped for me. The copper ring adds a phase shift to the magnetic field, just like in a shaded pole motor. Very neat. Here I was thinking you’d need 3 concentric solenoids being driven 120 degrees out of phase to create an inwardly moving magnetic field.
Try it with miu metal and you'll end up with a big surprise. You essentially have created a stationary rotor and is a simple way of explaining it. The current generated in the piece of metal held up against the oscillating magnet allows it to be held in place. Two things I'd like to try is super cool the metals held up against the magnet and change the frequency on the magnet input
The idea is simple. Thinking, being competent and successful in implementing it is complex. Almost everyone thought of flying like birds, very few invented machines capable of flying.
For fun, pull the gold to the sides of full Goldschlager booze. Talk about a cool bartender trick. Also this could be a "catch all" for my sluices. Pull the black sand out with one magnet, use another to raise the flour gold from the silt. Lose NONE of the super fine gold.
I thought the size of the metal pieces would be important. I suspected the repulsion would be only at the edges of the cylinder but I'm still surprised it works. Thanks for making the contraption and explaining it. I found it very interesting.
It took me a minute after seeing the copper ring, then I realized you took Lenz law and hit it with that uno reverse card. You had your magnet push the aluminum toward you because it couldn't pull it.
@lowiq888 Tell me, where are the output leads of the transformer? In electrical circuits, transformers via the ratio of turns in their primary (input) and secondary (output) coils either step voltage up, thus reducing current; step voltage down, increasing current; or they keep voltage the same, providing electrical isolation. Transformers do not convert electrical energy into mechanical energy; electromagnets, solenoids, and motors do that.
It is not a magnet, and it pushed the aluminum because of mutual inductance. Are you illiterate like Elon Musk. He uses the word "compute" as a noun. Barack Obama thinks technology is an adjective. Magnets do not attract copper yet some transformers do.
did you watch the video? Transformers don't really have output leads. You can turn a transformer around and use the output for an input and so they are called primaries and secondaries. Transformers do convert electrical energy into magnetic fields and back to electricity and can provide isolation. Some Auto-transformers do not provide isolation. The device is an autotransformer. (it has a single core.) Transformers are devices that use MUTUAL INDUCTANCE. That is what this device does. The copper ring is the secondary. I if I could examine the device and play with it, we can confirm or deny all that. Additionally, the paramagnetic material that is attracted by the device is probably charged due to mutual induction. That is why it sticks. All the evidence points toward the device being a transformer. You would have to contradict the dictionary and many other books to call it a magnet. Magnets simply do not attract AL and CU. I have also seen so called AC solenoids. These are considered to be solenoids, not magnets. The transformer is atypical, but that don't make it a magnet. DC motors often have magnets in them. Does that make a motor a magnet? No. Does that make a doorknob a magnet? The earth is a magnet. How can you deny that the copper ring is being charged by mutual induction? The copper ring is also similar to a device called a CURRENT TRANSFORMER. Lastly I would say that if you can turn it on, and make a spark with it, then it is a transformer. Magnets do not make sparks and arcs. You can probably connect the output leads to opposite sides of the copper ring, or from the core and the copper ring. Try to connect 2 wires, one from the attracted sheet of copper, and one to the core.
To be fair, we can already sort of do that using Lez's law. Another comment and reply talks about an eddy current separator that just separates out aluminum and other non-ferrous metals. However, there's nothing stopping a more precise version acting like air separators do.
To be fair, we can already sort of do that using Lez's law. Another comment and reply talks about an eddy current separator that just separates out aluminum and other non-ferrous metals. However, there's nothing stopping a more precise version acting like air separators do.
I've always had the idea of making a brass magnet for use at the range, it goes something like a push reel mower but with magnets instead of blades and a catch bag.
This principal has been used for over a century in many applications. This is how an induction disc relay operates. The disc itself is aluminum, but yet it rotates when current is applied to an induction coil with a shaded pole. This creates the torque necessary to rotate the disc. Also, the current is also passing through the disc itself, so the magnetic field created there interacts with a stationary permanent magnet that is used for dampening and speed of the disc.
The magnetic field through the copper ring, produces a current and the steel "core" inside the ring produces another magnetic of the opposite pole. The same happens in the non ferrous metals. Although they are not magnetic, they DO produce a current when exposed to this magnetic turmoil and creates its own current AND magnetic field, and so they attract. So its not the copper or aluminium that is attracted, but the magnetic field of the metal that is attracted. I imagine that if you use the right size of copper ring and piece of non ferrpus metal, you could also repel.
As another check on understanding, might be nice to build a different sized magnet and make sure the effect behaves consistently. I'm assuming it would, but be interesting to see how it scales. E.g. larger diameter and different lengths.
Arrived here from Les’ Lab. Big fan of Dan Gelbart going way back. Far too little info flows out from him for my taste. Happy to find another rich vein of knowledge here!
The magnetic field is folding back into itself so it is still repelling the AL, but its repelling it TOWARD itself. The cool thing would be to embed a more powerful coil in the end of the steel core.
@@esuelle I imagine a thin layer of ferrofluid in glass tray with unit under + aimed up , the fluid would rise + even Flow in Toroidal ring . Would have to sample actual results .
So the electron magnet has to be AC power source correct? I have a CNC Milling machine so I'm going to make one, but I didn't know if I needed to use AC or DC power. I assumed AC, but if it can be done with DC then I could make a more portable one.
Nifty AF ! I was well aware that you could get skip/drag-like interaction via "physical" rotation but its more or less just akin to ordinary braking. I can't say I ever seen exactly this though. 👍
This effect was used many years ago in record player motors, where a disc of aluminium was run in between two poles of a horseshoe AC magnet, which caused a rotation of the disc.
That is called a homopolar motor. The old electric meters worked the same way,. The rate of spin is determined by the amount of current not voltage passing through the coil, that's the key.
the " Loop " simply pushes against the " material " in it's path , hence the reason the larger piece doesn't move toward the coil , it blocks the path .
Copper Tube Center Ring has Same Resistance Repulsion + Magnetic Field Flow , Being Strong outer Ring Flows Over Center Ring "Field Shield" Core , Magnetic Field Flow Island ! Also , looking at Face , Charged Energy Flows "Right" Copper Ring "Machine Pressed" Tube (Copper+Core) Inner Magnetic Flow / Divided + Separate from Outer Magnetic Field !
Lovely explanation, I wonder how different ratios of area and volume of the Sub-Sokenoid yo the Electromagbet would change the effective size of copper we can attract.
I don't know, but the device is not a magnet, or an electromagnet. The device is an autotransformer. Electromagnets use DC current, not AC. Almost 200 commenters got that wrong.
You can magnatise any material insulator or not. Thats how electronic air cleaners operate. Makining opposites attract. Similat to rubbing a balloon on your hait and putting it on the wall.
It's also worth taking eddy currents into effect, for instance how if you drop a strong magnet through an aluminium or copper pipe the eddy currents drastically slow down the magnet. Cool the magnet with liquid nitrogen & you get close to 3.5x stronger eddy current. Also, said currents always follow the right hand rule, so they introduce the current into the pipe horizontally, & usually a good centimeter or better in front of the actual magnet. The same thing happens in a car alternator because of the use of a "crab cage" rotor. Because it's "legs" are bent @ 90 degrees it redirects the magnetic field almost completely, via a 90 degree shift, even though the magnets themselves field lines are in the opposite orientation.
The magnetic field should alternate in to out to in to... I think the 'attraction' is to a thin layer just outside the exposed surface of the copper around where the field strength is lowest between the opposing out of phase fields emerging from steel and copper. It likely isn't so much being attracted as being pushed to a local minimum. For pieces signficantly larger than the copper ring, the repulsion outside the diameter of the copper overwhelms any repulsion inward closer to the center.
Does it work better if you put saw-cuts across the iron parts of the face? The original 1950s project use wads of nails as laminations. Perhaps even an "X" cut in the steel core, would block eddy currents and improve things (a lot? or a little?)
Seems like the same principle as when you drop a large magnet onto a chunk of aluminum, itll slow itself. I think that also works if you pull it away quickly, so all you need is some kind of arrangement that has a moving magnetic field, and the part you wish to attract inside the part of the field moving in the correct direction.
I once saw an aluminium can assembly conveyor. The can run on belts horizontally as normal by its weight. When the conveyor angle bent to vertical, the can still run upward along the belt, which is now on the side, changing from the bottom in prior. That made me amazing, Hey magnetic can pull aluminium can.
i remember looking up how recyclers sort metals from ferrous...i found out they have a second coil/field...when the aluminum/copper are in the field they can be moved by the electromagnet. but mainly they use a winnowing proess whereby air pressure is used to blow off light things like aluminum cans are blown off and heavy things continue on down.
A ferrite core would be iron dust mixed in a ceramic can also work, but what if you now suspend copper or aluminium filings instead of iron and see if that does not work better?
One interesting thing to evaluate is the current in the copper ring. I have feeling that the current must be surprisingly large because a single turn secondary is creating a strong enough field to sense repulsion. Odd having very large current in ultra low resistance short that doesn't generate much heat. Seems odd to me, anyway.
Great job except that it is not a magnet, it is a transformer, and 202 commentors seem to thing it is a magnet. Modern humans are clearly stupid, and it gets worse when they watch TV.
If this is Your idea I would get it patented!! I had an eye injury in the 00's caused by recklessness with my Dremel, grinding the burrs off some Alum . I was asked the usual Eye Injury questions but because the fragment in my eye was Non Ferrous, they couldn't use the High Powered EM they had, for removing Ferrous objects from the eye(!) so they had to use the Scraping action of the blade of a scalpel to dislodge it!!
Another way of thinking about it is that right against the face of the bar is a more efficient place for the plate than out in the complicated field. i.e. Less heating. You might get some interesting insights by trying a ring or a star shape to control where (or how large) the eddy currents can be, and try thicker and thinner plates. An interesting phenomena which might be related, is that inductive proximity sensors (which are good at detecting ferrous targets) are only about 10% as sensitive (compared to iron) to aluminum targets, but 90% as sensitive to aluminum FOIL.
A better way to explain it is that there is a electric wind pushing a conductive material in one direction just like maglev for high speed rail as the closest example. The non ferrous metal is not sticking it is being pulled or pushed. This is a force field that only works on highly conductive metals. I hope this helps others understand better.
Do you know what would happen if the coil wasn't around the steel, but if it was an aircoil and would be inserted into a steel tube? Would such electromagnet attract diamagnetic materials as well?
This video was recommended to me based on a similar video. The title of magnetizing aluminum and copper was enough for me to click. I am so extremely frustrated with aluminum screws/nails not being scooped with a magnet. I thought my hair would fall out.
Years ago I reed about a man who made a different kind of electromagnet in the 1950's that would ball up the electrical field in stead of the magnetic field. The electrical field would pull nonmagnetic metals to it. His electromagnet was shaped like a donut instead of a rod.
I knew it was possible after inducing a field in the brass/copper/aluminium to have a field out of phase affect it and use that induced field to attract it, but had no idea how to go about it.
Would increasing the frequency increase the magnetic force? I know that you really have to increase the frequency to heat copper or aluminum with an induction heater is why I asked.
What if you put a DC electromagnet on a reciprocating saw and switched it on and off in time with the movement of the saw. There will be electric braking or resistance to a change in distance between the metal and the coil while the field is on and the saw is on the inward stroke. Then the field would be turned off and the saw will extend, allowing the coil to get closer to the metal
Can you use this effect for pulsing the field on and off that acts like a pezo electric crystal. Tesla mentioned using frequency in dealing with electrical currents
Copper's so significantly more conductive than steel that this demonstration works. If he cut the steel cylinder halfway through from end to end before pressing the copper ring in, it would give a stronger effect. Then insulating the ring would make it stronger still.
In case it is of interest, here's my version picking up dimes and pennies and aluminum. Includes FEMM simulation showing more precise actual magnetic field line paths: ua-cam.com/video/yHrqikAhAbQ/v-deo.html
What if you were able to boost only the magnetic field that attracts the copper ( the reverse or co-syn field) and block the syn field from coming out into the area. Maybe use nickel or zink to block it. Or extend only the copper ring out past the end of the steal or change the magnetic field by arranging the magnetic field by using a manual magnetic switch on the end of the steel.
I worked for a casting company using aluminum. Our cores for the castings were made of resin coated sand . After the casting had cooled the sand was removed and recycled. The sand and tiny bits of aluminum were ran across a belt with a powerful magnet as the end roller. The aluminum bits would actually leap off the belt over a divider and into a bin .
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@@nonyadamnbusiness9887 Sounds like an eddy current separator, a standard piece of industrial equipment.
Eddy currents would drag those types of metals off a conveyor feed.
Inside that end roller is another roller inside studded with strong magnets, whirling FAST in the same direction the outer belt-drive roller is turning. The aluminum is lifted & thrown forward, away from the end of the belt. The sand drops straight down. This is used in recycling centers to separate out aluminum from paper &glass. (Steel is separated out first by another overhead upside-down moving belt at right angles with strong stationary permanent magnets above.)
If only such a magnet can attract salt out of water, can always dream.
I remember eddy current "magnet" to pickup copper and aluminum in Popular Electronic magazine of the 1980s.
Fun fact, you can replace the copper ring with a coil, scale it down to 3.5 mm or so and use it inspect nonferrous materials for cracks.
This sounds interesting but I have absolutely no idea what you're referring to. Mind elaborating?
@@emilyyyylime- Eddy current nondestructive testing.
@@emilyyyylime-
It's called magnetic particle inspection and is used for finding cracks or surface imperfections on ferromagnetic materials. Basically, the subject being insoected is magnetized then dusted with magnetic particles that tend to clump up at the surface areas around cracks or other disruptions on the surface.
@@emilyyyylime- Eddy Current NDT. You have a small probe, like a tablet stylus, that has two separate D-shaped coils on the end. One these coils induces an electric field into the material that is tested and the other picks it up. The reading of the reading coil gets zeroed on a known-good piece of metal. When sweeping the probe across crack, the reading changes and signals the user with a spike on a display and a sound
Fun fact, experiment is king?
You added a shorted turn to make an electromagnet into a ring-shaped "shaded pole". When energized with AC, It has a feeble attraction for copper and aluminum PLATES in CONTACT with it. (You could remove the copper ring, assemble two concentric coils, and drive them independently. That would use less power, and let you tune the frequency, phase difference, and waveform for maximum attraction.)
Used in AC solenoid valves and in AC relay designs and known as a "shading ring or coil" or "Frager spire or Frager coil" to reduce/eliminate frequency chatter.
Cable driven speedometers and tachometers use a permanent magnet rotated by the cable to drive a copper or aluminium drag cup which carries a hairspring and the pointer at the shaft end sitting above a printed dial. Drag cup also has a small amount of nickel iron alloy fitted which shunts some of the magnet's flux but as the cup heats up with the induced current and its electrical resistivity rises, shunts less magnetism so compensating for temperature variations. Modern vehicle instruments use moving coil or moving iron meters.
Yes but the device in question is not a magnet. The device is an autotransformer. Electromagnets use DC current.-
Leonard R Crow - Attracting Copper, Aluminum & Other Non-Ferrous Metals - Extra
- an excellently illustrated book well worth reading for its experiments and theory.
I second the recommendation, that book seems to offer a better (and simpler) explanation of the effect. I don't quite think the rotating field thing is the answer.
That opens up the thought of putting a second electromagnet inside the larger one (instead of the copper ring) and through the proper electronic circuit the phase and frequency feeding that coil could be variable. Adjusting from 90 to 180 degrees phase and from 30 to 120 hertz would make an interesting experiment.
very interesting although the device is not a magnet. The device is an auto-transformer. Electromagnets use DC current.
Sheldon explains physics to Penny....or words to that effect
I think a quarter phase shift delay alternating current can build a composed magnetic fluxes in induced alu or copper.
OMG Thank you!!! I watched that lecture and it blew my mind (classic Gelbart) but also drove me crazy that he didn't discuss it further.
Years ago I tool a tour of an incinerator. They made their money by collecting steel and other metals out of garbage. A magnet took out the steel and other magnetic material. They used a very strong different magnet for a flight diversion for the other metals.
As a aircraft mechanic, I was baffled how a Canadian aircraft company could crimp an aluminum tube onto a steel plug with no mechanical contact. It pushed the tube into rings in the rod ends.
Z-pinch?
Only company I'm aware of who makes such tools is Maxwell Magneform. The crimping is done with magnetic repulsion due to eddy currents in aluminum.
So, it's still a repulsive force. But because the magnet fields are being twisted around onto themselves, it's repulsing the aluminum into the magnet to give it the appearance of attraction.
Well put.
there's nothing behind it how could it be repulsed?
I don't know either btw, jus saying this is weird
I always found magnetism mysterious, the fact that it acts like gravity but it made of electric
@@IndieGuvenc The field itself has been warped so that it pushes from behind in a way...I think. Lol
Cool, I knew about dropping a magnet through a copper tube, but never imagined the property could be used like that.
Good explanation, Cylo. Thanks for sharing it.
When you said some might figure it out from the ring alone, it snapped for me. The copper ring adds a phase shift to the magnetic field, just like in a shaded pole motor. Very neat. Here I was thinking you’d need 3 concentric solenoids being driven 120 degrees out of phase to create an inwardly moving magnetic field.
Try it with miu metal and you'll end up with a big surprise.
You essentially have created a stationary rotor and is a simple way of explaining it. The current generated in the piece of metal held up against the oscillating magnet allows it to be held in place.
Two things I'd like to try is super cool the metals held up against the magnet and change the frequency on the magnet input
Awesome! I want to try filtering out gold with this now
I'm sure no one thought of that before
Was thinking the same thing .
The idea is simple. Thinking, being competent and successful in implementing it is complex. Almost everyone thought of flying like birds, very few invented machines capable of flying.
For fun, pull the gold to the sides of full Goldschlager booze. Talk about a cool bartender trick. Also this could be a "catch all" for my sluices. Pull the black sand out with one magnet, use another to raise the flour gold from the silt. Lose NONE of the super fine gold.
I thought the size of the metal pieces would be important. I suspected the repulsion would be only at the edges of the cylinder but I'm still surprised it works. Thanks for making the contraption and explaining it. I found it very interesting.
I have no idea what you said but as soon as I saw the copper ring I knew exactly what was happening. Thanks for the video.
It took me a minute after seeing the copper ring, then I realized you took Lenz law and hit it with that uno reverse card. You had your magnet push the aluminum toward you because it couldn't pull it.
The device is not a magnet. the device is a transformer.
@lowiq888 Tell me, where are the output leads of the transformer? In electrical circuits, transformers via the ratio of turns in their primary (input) and secondary (output) coils either step voltage up, thus reducing current; step voltage down, increasing current; or they keep voltage the same, providing electrical isolation.
Transformers do not convert electrical energy into mechanical energy; electromagnets, solenoids, and motors do that.
@lowiq888 I should have put magnet in quotes.
It is not a magnet, and it pushed the aluminum because of mutual inductance. Are you illiterate like Elon Musk. He uses the word "compute" as a noun. Barack Obama thinks technology is an adjective. Magnets do not attract copper yet some transformers do.
did you watch the video? Transformers don't really have output leads. You can turn a transformer around and use the output for an input and so they are called primaries and secondaries. Transformers do convert electrical energy into magnetic fields and back to electricity and can provide isolation. Some Auto-transformers do not provide isolation. The device is an autotransformer. (it has a single core.) Transformers are devices that use MUTUAL INDUCTANCE. That is what this device does. The copper ring is the secondary. I if I could examine the device and play with it, we can confirm or deny all that. Additionally, the paramagnetic material that is attracted by the device is probably charged due to mutual induction. That is why it sticks. All the evidence points toward the device being a transformer. You would have to contradict the dictionary and many other books to call it a magnet. Magnets simply do not attract AL and CU. I have also seen so called AC solenoids. These are considered to be solenoids, not magnets.
The transformer is atypical, but that don't make it a magnet. DC motors often have magnets in them. Does that make a motor a magnet? No. Does that make a doorknob a magnet? The earth is a magnet. How can you deny that the copper ring is being charged by mutual induction?
The copper ring is also similar to a device called a CURRENT TRANSFORMER. Lastly I would say that if you can turn it on, and make a spark with it, then it is a transformer. Magnets do not make sparks and arcs. You can probably connect the output leads to opposite sides of the copper ring, or from the core and the copper ring. Try to connect 2 wires, one from the attracted sheet of copper, and one to the core.
HOLY SHIT ! Youre able to seperate non-magnetic metals by size with this !!!!!!
To be fair, we can already sort of do that using Lez's law. Another comment and reply talks about an eddy current separator that just separates out aluminum and other non-ferrous metals. However, there's nothing stopping a more precise version acting like air separators do.
To be fair, we can already sort of do that using Lez's law. Another comment and reply talks about an eddy current separator that just separates out aluminum and other non-ferrous metals. However, there's nothing stopping a more precise version acting like air separators do.
please define "non-magnetic" metal
@@havocking9224he means not like the normally magnetic metals like iron or steel
@@readyeddie2065is good, he fixed his comments :D
I've always had the idea of making a brass magnet for use at the range, it goes something like a push reel mower but with magnets instead of blades and a catch bag.
This principal has been used for over a century in many applications. This is how an induction disc relay operates. The disc itself is aluminum, but yet it rotates when current is applied to an induction coil with a shaded pole. This creates the torque necessary to rotate the disc. Also, the current is also passing through the disc itself, so the magnetic field created there interacts with a stationary permanent magnet that is used for dampening and speed of the disc.
This same principle is used in old watt meters to create a torque on the disk
Thank you your video was interesting and good to have this knowledge..
Thank you very much and your video is very interesting as well.We can expand on these subjects
The magnetic field through the copper ring, produces a current and the steel "core" inside the ring produces another magnetic of the opposite pole.
The same happens in the non ferrous metals. Although they are not magnetic, they DO produce a current when exposed to this magnetic turmoil and creates its own current AND magnetic field, and so they attract. So its not the copper or aluminium that is attracted, but the magnetic field of the metal that is attracted.
I imagine that if you use the right size of copper ring and piece of non ferrpus metal, you could also repel.
Thank you for sharing this was very informative. You made it easy to follow you. Thanks again
As another check on understanding, might be nice to build a different sized magnet and make sure the effect behaves consistently. I'm assuming it would, but be interesting to see how it scales. E.g. larger diameter and different lengths.
Longer Cylinder in Center may Strengthen Inner Rotating Toroidal Field lines ?
great job! I understood your explanation. Makes sense.
Arrived here from Les’ Lab. Big fan of Dan Gelbart going way back. Far too little info flows out from him for my taste.
Happy to find another rich vein of knowledge here!
Thanks, Dan is the man.
The magnetic field is folding back into itself so it is still repelling the AL, but its repelling it TOWARD itself.
The cool thing would be to embed a more powerful coil in the end of the steel core.
What would it do to ferrofluid?
Expose Magnetic flow Field lines ?
Or film
Ferrofluid is ferromagnetic so it just sticks to the electromagnet like it does to any other magnet.
@@esuelle I imagine a thin layer of ferrofluid in glass tray with unit under + aimed up , the fluid would rise + even Flow in Toroidal ring . Would have to sample actual results .
@@JoinGamesLinks I'm thinking it'd wiggle back and forth between the two states, but can see how a flow would also be possible and way cooler!
Thanks for showing the magic trick. Indeed once you show the copper ring (an the previous mention of Lenz’s law) it all makes sense.
So the electron magnet has to be AC power source correct? I have a CNC Milling machine so I'm going to make one, but I didn't know if I needed to use AC or DC power. I assumed AC, but if it can be done with DC then I could make a more portable one.
When you're defying the laws of physics, you've got to be sneaky.
Nifty AF ! I was well aware that you could get skip/drag-like interaction via "physical" rotation but its more or less just akin to ordinary braking. I can't say I ever seen exactly this though. 👍
You had me completely befuddled. That is slicker than snot!!
This effect was used many years ago in record player motors, where a disc of aluminium was run in between two poles of a horseshoe AC magnet, which caused a rotation of the disc.
That is called a homopolar motor. The old electric meters worked the same way,.
The rate of spin is determined by the amount of current not voltage passing through the coil, that's the key.
That's also the same principle that causes Galaxy rotation.
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the " Loop " simply pushes against the " material " in it's path , hence the reason the larger piece doesn't move toward the coil , it blocks the path .
Perhaps having the copper toroid protruding from the surface of the steel bar would enhance the effect.
How can the inward field produce force in its own direction?
Copper Tube Center Ring has Same Resistance Repulsion + Magnetic Field Flow , Being Strong outer Ring Flows Over Center Ring "Field Shield" Core , Magnetic Field Flow Island ! Also , looking at Face , Charged Energy Flows "Right" Copper Ring "Machine Pressed" Tube (Copper+Core) Inner Magnetic Flow / Divided + Separate from Outer Magnetic Field !
If it was loose fit , may Reject ,+ Repel Copper Tube ?
Thanks for sharing this! Very cool.
Interesting & absolutely clever. Inversely, wonder how that would effect power generated.
Have you played with different frequency's?
you should get some of that plastic sheet stuff that allows you to see magnetic fields and hold it above your copper ring electro-magnet
It's called magnetic film.
6:00 I believe Constant DC and Pulsed DC can also do it without the iron/copper core (Iron Core)
07:05 *Subsolenoid*.. I love that😂
I wonder if making a core with two concentric copper rings would increase or decrease the attraction force...
Lovely explanation, I wonder how different ratios of area and volume of the Sub-Sokenoid yo the Electromagbet would change the effective size of copper we can attract.
I don't know, but the device is not a magnet, or an electromagnet. The device is an autotransformer. Electromagnets use DC current, not AC. Almost 200 commenters got that wrong.
Found very interesting, enjoyed the video.
You can magnatise any material insulator or not. Thats how electronic air cleaners operate. Makining opposites attract. Similat to rubbing a balloon on your hait and putting it on the wall.
It's also worth taking eddy currents into effect, for instance how if you drop a strong magnet through an aluminium or copper pipe the eddy currents drastically slow down the magnet. Cool the magnet with liquid nitrogen & you get close to 3.5x stronger eddy current. Also, said currents always follow the right hand rule, so they introduce the current into the pipe horizontally, & usually a good centimeter or better in front of the actual magnet. The same thing happens in a car alternator because of the use of a "crab cage" rotor. Because it's "legs" are bent @ 90 degrees it redirects the magnetic field almost completely, via a 90 degree shift, even though the magnets themselves field lines are in the opposite orientation.
Why does the resultant field rotate inward instead of out?
Because of the direction of energy flow of the magnetic field. I think north to south but could be the other way.
The magnetic field should alternate in to out to in to...
I think the 'attraction' is to a thin layer just outside the exposed surface of the copper around where the field strength is lowest between the opposing out of phase fields emerging from steel and copper.
It likely isn't so much being attracted as being pushed to a local minimum.
For pieces signficantly larger than the copper ring, the repulsion outside the diameter of the copper overwhelms any repulsion inward closer to the center.
It’s the phase difference. The centre is 90 degrees lagging behind the outer field.
Does it work better if you put saw-cuts across the iron parts of the face? The original 1950s project use wads of nails as laminations. Perhaps even an "X" cut in the steel core, would block eddy currents and improve things (a lot? or a little?)
Constant DC can do that , so can certain other pulsed frequencies
It also has to do with eddy currents being induced into the copper/aluminum.
Yes, eddy currents are exactly what lenz's law describes. I just didn't use the word eddy currents
It's akin to dropping a magnet down a copper pipe! Eddy currents opposing the downward fall.
Seems like the same principle as when you drop a large magnet onto a chunk of aluminum, itll slow itself. I think that also works if you pull it away quickly, so all you need is some kind of arrangement that has a moving magnetic field, and the part you wish to attract inside the part of the field moving in the correct direction.
Eddie! Eddie!. No, I mean Eddy. Eddy currents
It’s interesting you mentioned Dan Gelbart. With many of your videos, I tend to think that you must be his successor. 😊
I once saw an aluminium can assembly conveyor. The can run on belts horizontally as normal by its weight. When the conveyor angle bent to vertical, the can still run upward along the belt, which is now on the side, changing from the bottom in prior. That made me amazing, Hey magnetic can pull aluminium can.
i remember looking up how recyclers sort metals from ferrous...i found out they have a second coil/field...when the aluminum/copper are in the field they can be moved by the electromagnet. but mainly they use a winnowing proess whereby air pressure is used to blow off light things like aluminum cans are blown off and heavy things continue on down.
Is that the same principle that makes a magnet slowly slide down a sheet of aluminum?
Yep!
If you had a whole in the center of your metal shaft and copper ring, and you put it in the water, would that make a pump?
It's all just magic! That was interesting. Thanks for sharing 😊
I need to know the current in that wire, and the secret behind the wire
It is a stator effect used in motors
Thank you.Very clear. Got me thinking about applications
The field is enveloping the aluminum and copper field?
Can this be applied to a flux gate magnometer?
I found that video at - 2021 Nov.25 - Dan Gelbart by UBC Engineering Physics Project Lab
A ferrite core would be iron dust mixed in a ceramic can also work, but what if you now suspend copper or aluminium filings instead of iron and see if that does not work better?
I was hoping you had a way to increase the strength , I guess as long as your surface area is large enough you would be able to get the effect.
can you use iron filings to show what is happening with the currents?
One interesting thing to evaluate is the current in the copper ring. I have feeling that the current must be surprisingly large because a single turn secondary is creating a strong enough field to sense repulsion. Odd having very large current in ultra low resistance short that doesn't generate much heat. Seems odd to me, anyway.
Great job at explaining this.
Great job except that it is not a magnet, it is a transformer, and 202 commentors seem to thing it is a magnet. Modern humans are clearly stupid, and it gets worse when they watch TV.
Where can I purchase something like this?
Very interesting.
Could this principle be used in further magnetic levitation research?
If this is Your idea I would get it patented!!
I had an eye injury in the 00's caused by recklessness with my Dremel, grinding the burrs off some Alum .
I was asked the usual Eye Injury questions but because the fragment in my eye was Non Ferrous, they couldn't use the High Powered EM they had, for removing Ferrous objects from the eye(!) so they had to use the Scraping action of the blade of a scalpel to dislodge it!!
Another way of thinking about it is that right against the face of the bar is a more efficient place for the plate than out in the complicated field. i.e. Less heating. You might get some interesting insights by trying a ring or a star shape to control where (or how large) the eddy currents can be, and try thicker and thinner plates.
An interesting phenomena which might be related, is that inductive proximity sensors (which are good at detecting ferrous targets) are only about 10% as sensitive (compared to iron) to aluminum targets, but 90% as sensitive to aluminum FOIL.
I think we can look at this another way as well: we're not attracting the nonferrous metals, we're trapping them by inducing current.
A better way to explain it is that there is a electric wind pushing a conductive material in one direction just like maglev for high speed rail as the closest example. The non ferrous metal is not sticking it is being pulled or pushed. This is a force field that only works on highly conductive metals. I hope this helps others understand better.
Is this a kind of magnetic pinning?
What happens if the copper ring is on the outer edge?
Do you know what would happen if the coil wasn't around the steel, but if it was an aircoil and would be inserted into a steel tube? Would such electromagnet attract diamagnetic materials as well?
Have you tried with gold?
thanks! so does it work with carbon as well?
This video was recommended to me based on a similar video. The title of magnetizing aluminum and copper was enough for me to click. I am so extremely frustrated with aluminum screws/nails not being scooped with a magnet. I thought my hair would fall out.
I wonder will the aluminum/copper plate get warm while being attracted to the magnet? I guess it will need some thermal insulation from the basement.
Years ago I reed about a man who made a different kind of electromagnet in the 1950's that would ball up the electrical field in stead of the magnetic field. The electrical field would pull nonmagnetic metals to it. His electromagnet was shaped like a donut instead of a rod.
I knew it was possible after inducing a field in the brass/copper/aluminium to have a field out of phase affect it and use that induced field to attract it, but had no idea how to go about it.
What does your magnet do when you put it on the copper ring end?
Would increasing the frequency increase the magnetic force? I know that you really have to increase the frequency to heat copper or aluminum with an induction heater is why I asked.
There is some hysteresis in the paramagnetic material that causes a N pole to persist momentarily after the field reversal?
What if you put a DC electromagnet on a reciprocating saw and switched it on and off in time with the movement of the saw. There will be electric braking or resistance to a change in distance between the metal and the coil while the field is on and the saw is on the inward stroke. Then the field would be turned off and the saw will extend, allowing the coil to get closer to the metal
Can you use this effect for pulsing the field on and off that acts like a pezo electric crystal. Tesla mentioned using frequency in dealing with electrical currents
Does the copper ring need to be isolated from the steel core? If it's not already, what would that do?
Copper's so significantly more conductive than steel that this demonstration works. If he cut the steel cylinder halfway through from end to end before pressing the copper ring in, it would give a stronger effect. Then insulating the ring would make it stronger still.
Are the effects the same if you put an aluminum ring in the other end of the steel rod?
In case it is of interest, here's my version picking up dimes and pennies and aluminum. Includes FEMM simulation showing more precise actual magnetic field line paths:
ua-cam.com/video/yHrqikAhAbQ/v-deo.html
What if you use pulsed current instead of AC? Bet there are useful applications for this.
What if you were able to boost only the magnetic field that attracts the copper ( the reverse or co-syn field) and block the syn field from coming out into the area. Maybe use nickel or zink to block it. Or extend only the copper ring out past the end of the steal or change the magnetic field by arranging the magnetic field by using a manual magnetic switch on the end of the steel.
What would happen with multiple inlays of copper an steel