Reminder that there won't be a new episode of Doctor Who Classic next week. We'll be back on Monday, January 17 for Season 9 Episode 4: The Mutants Parts 1-3!
This from Jon Pertwee. "Roger, amongst other things, was terrified of water. This was slightly inconvenient as a large part of The Sea Devils was set at sea; but we knew that Roger would not let us down. There was one sequence, however, during which I got very angry with one of the production team members. The scene involved Roger and me floating in the sea whilst wearing inflatable immersion suits. We had a hell of a job trying to persuade Roger to get into his immersion suit in the first place, because he knew we were going to put him in the water, and he didn’t want to go in the water. We managed to get him in the suit, and Katy and I talked to him very gently - Katy was always very good at calming Roger down - and eventually we reached the point at which he was about to agree to be floated in the water in order to get an establishing shot before a stuntman took his place as the Master was hauled from the water into a boat. Then an assistant director suddenly butted in with: ‘Oh, come on Roger. For God’s sake, we’ve waited enough already…’ I turned on him immediately. ‘Oh belt up!’ I said sotto voce. ‘We’ve had enough trouble getting Roger into the suit in the first place, and now you come up and start upsetting his confidence. Why don’t you just jump into the sea and cool off.’ Michael Briant, the director, hurried over when he saw what was happening and took the assistant director to one side, saying, ‘Look, leave Roger alone. Let him do it in his own time.’ Eventually, after about forty minutes, the director got the shot he needed of the Master floating in the water. Roger needed gentle persuasion and calm reasoning to get him to do these things, and the fact that he did made me immensely proud of the man. There are not many who can face up to their fears as Roger did. This made him one of the bravest men I knew"
Second Lieutenant Pertwee was indeed in Naval Intelligence during the Second World War. Among other things, he was aboard the last boat to transfer off of the HMS Hood before it was sunk leaving just three survivors, and somehow obtained an anchor tattoo he was unable to recall getting. Producer Barry Letts was also in the Navy, although Commander Troughton outranked them both even though he spent his entire active service wearing a bright green tea cosy as a hat.
And a friend of mine, who was witness to unveiling of the aforementioned tattoo, said, "Twere'n't anythin' to do with me!" I asked him to confess who got Pertwee drunk. Apparently, "Hughes had nothing to do with it . . Sir!"
20:07 That 100% *is* Jon Pertwee, though. He was an adrenaline junkie and speedboating was one of his passions, so he relished having a go on the jet-ski. Not so Roger Delgado, who didn't like the water at all, so he's covered by a stuntman here.
A model of a submarine was made by purchasing a Woolworths submarine model kit and then changing the propeller. The alterations to the model strongly resembled a prototype submarine being made by the Ministry of Defence. After footage of the model was broadcast as part of the story, the director received a visit from two Naval Intelligence officials, who were concerned about how the visual effects team got the plans for the model.
Actually that was really Jon Pertwee on the speedboat he did his own stunts for those scenes as he has a real life fondness for cars, speedboats and hovercrafts. Roger Delgado not so much as he had a fear of water so a stuntman was used for The Master. Jon Pertwee once served in the Royal Navy during World War II. This is a really popular Doctor Who story. The working title for this serial was to be called "The Sea-Silurians". The reason why The Brig and UNIT don't appear in this serial was because the actors were unavailable.
Sadly, the portrayal of Parliamentary civil servants is pretty accurate, as it turns out. I'm mean, they're all fairly buffoonish at the moment. I know he's not a massive fan of radio, but Richard may be interested in - and indeed may well have heard - a comedy programme called The Navy Lark. As I say, it was on the radio, contemporaneous with the final episodes of The Goon Show. Jon Pertwee plays Chief Petty Officer Pertwee, and it is very much based on his own experiences in the navy. It's of its time, but I hope it's of interest to him.
The score by Malcolm Clarke is interesting...he would later do Earthshock's score which is rather different. 8:45 The show had had army help in the Invasion (as extra soldiers) and the Mind of Evil (the missile). So probably the RN wanted in on it. 20:20 Roger was not a fan of the sea. 24:25 Yes, Pertwee was in Naval Intelligence having been moved on from being onboard ship in 1941 (fortunately missing out on HMS Hood's fateful encounter with Bismarck at the Battle of the Denmark Strait). 30:15 Yeah, they were mixing it up a bit this season compared to 7 and 8. Also only John and Katy were contracted for every story this season, the others were a per story basis.
It's quite possible the Royal Navy's involvement here was something of a test for what was to follow. At the time The Sea Devils was airing the BBC series 'Warship' was in productiont, and began screening in June the following year. This series was created by Ian Mackintosh, a serving RN officer, and Anthony Coburn (who wrote 'An Unearthly Child'). It featured ships and crews from a huge number of RN ships, and also the Royal Australian Navy when they filmed in Hong Kong and Singapore. It was a very good show, running until 1977, and probably served as a very good recruitment drive for the Navy.
The release of this is timely, if you've seen the next time teaser at the end of the recent New Year's episode. For the record, the production team approached the Royal Navy about this episode and not vice versa. Actual sailors acted as extras in this story, unless the scenes called for any potentially dangerous stunts. The Sea Devil's "heads" actually sat atop the actor's heads like a top hat, so the actor's eyes would have been in the neck somewhere. Roger Delgado couldn't swim and thus was doubled in the jet ski chase. He did float in the ocean in the submarine escape suit, though he was rather hesitant about even doing that.
Love this story, and cant wait for the sea devils overdue return! So happy they have kept the design and not humanised it like they did with the silurians. The mutants is often disliked by fans, but i think its a really good story, just with a bad ending
The last episode of 'The Sea Devils' was preceded by 'Whacko' with Jimmy Edwards at 5.05 pm, then the BBC News at 5.35 pm - Doctor Who was at 5.50 - 6.15 pm - and followed by 'It's Cliff Richard!' No Tom and Jerry, I'm afraid. Source. Radio Times. Courtesy of the BBC Genome.
I like the music it's sinister it's creepy it's scary and adds a horror element to it which in my opinion NuWho sadly lacks. I don't think Doctor Who works without its flaws least to me anyway.
I loved how in this story, we saw the sailors resisting hypnosis and being generally a lot more savvy than the groundpounders (regulars and UNIT both) who could be repeatedly hypnotized by the Master to jump up and down on one foot and bark like a dog. The UK wasn't going to show any sailors in a bad light! :-)
A parliamentary private secretary as an unpaid position where the holder is a member of parliament selected and appointed by the relevant departmental minister, rather than by the Prime Minister (in this case Walker would either be an assistant to the Defence Secretary or maybe even just an assistant to a junior defence minister). They are not considered to be part of the government as such but it's the bottom rung on the ladder to becoming a government minister. You're right... no way would Walker have such authority as he displays here.
Britain certainly had nuclear depth charge armed aircraft (and ships) as part of the anti-submarine warfare defences. These were considered tactical weapons (rather than strategic) and were relatively low yield albeit massively destructive for any submarine enemies due to the more efficient transfer of shock through water. Although we would presumably have advised both our allies in NATO and the Soviet Union of the intention to use the weapons in order to avoid misunderstandings, it wouldn't have needed anyone's permission outside the UK chain of command. As tactical weapons, control was much less strict than is the case with strategic weapons and in times of war would have been delegated to aircraft or ship captains. Nice to see the old SLRs (Self-Loading Rifles--a variant of the Belgian FN) , the weapon that was still in use in all branches of the armed forces throughout my own service. As discussed, this was very much seen by the Royal Navy as an opportunity for a bit of self-promotion. Incidentally, the typical age for recruitment at that time was 16-18 (when I joined the RAF at 19 I was one of the oldest in the entry) and engagements were 6-9 years. Finally (!), the "Commander in Chief" of the UK armed forces is the Monarch, as Head of State (currently Queen Elizabeth II). All servicemen and women, on enlistment swear to allegiance to the Monarch--not the Government, who serves at her pleasure and draws it authority from the Crown). If I recall correctly, it runs something like: "I swear by Almighty God to bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Her Heirs and Successors in law and defend Her Majesty against all enemies. I will obey the lawful commands of the Air Officers and Officers set over me." I used to know that by heart but it is over 40 years so may not be 100%! Really finally... 'Parliamentary Secretary' is an assistant to a Minister or a 'third tier' member of the Government ranking below Secretary of State (the most senior position with a Cabinet seat) and Minister of State. This role should not be confused with "Permanent Secretary" which is the most senior Civil Service post in a department.
Trivia: How many times did Jon Pertwee say "Reverse the polarity of the Neutron Flow"? Answer: He only ever said it Twice, all other times he would say "Reverse the polarity"
I realise this is a few weeks late, but I've only just found the time to catch up with these reactions. Y'all say that it's unclear how Walker had the authority to launch a nuke and that just one line would've cleared it up. It's so frustrating whenever y'all make this criticism because almost every time y'all have missed that "one line", as y'all have done here. Blythe: If I may ask, sir, what is the purpose of your visit? Walker: Why, all those ships sinking. I've come down to clear it up for you. The Minister's put me in full charge. Oh, would you look at that. The "one line" y'all were talking about was in there all along! I have to say that it's a bit frustrating that it's always me that has to clear up these confusions. No one else in the two or three weeks (or however long it's been) since this reaction has been up has thought to correct y'all.
Honestly, I don't think there's one definition of companion which is satisfactory. Any definition you come up with will either exclude people who should count, or include people who very obviously shouldn't. I kind of forgot how little UNIT is in this season. Actually thinking about it, that kind of continues now until they're just off the show entirely. Guess they got bored of UNIT fairly quickly.
oH, for shame, Alex! How sharper than a serpent's tooth, oh, springtime youth! And in the years to come, what then? In ten, two dozen. When the years have riddled your blood and cursed veins grow taut! And the numbing of feet and hands with cold. Then you will say it. "Oh, my sainted and honourable dear old Dad, thou wast right! Poor Alex is numbies in his thumbies and the wind doth whistle, where first it darest not! And Richard, from his cosiest vantage point - at the second star to the right, in the realm of 'The Great Armchair' - shall gaze down at his favoured son and reply, " I won't say I didn't tell you so - Hold on - I DID!" and Alex chides with a "Hmmph! . . You got anything else?" Upon which, Richard will reply, "I got nothin'!"
Not really. I've done it for so long that its just natural. Now back in the day, I was more uncomfortable with recording. Actually, yesterday I recorded something very different from my reactions and I was a bit out of my element at the beginning.
@@7thHourFilms Hm. Just thinking out loud. Some things like anxiety, caffeine or sugar can precipitate feelings of overheating. I've cut both sugar and caffeine and I don't get that same effect anymore. Additional plus of my anxiety diminishing as well! That one was a lifelong problem! - I don't like heights either, small spaces and, as for dolls! Yeeeergh!
Reminder that there won't be a new episode of Doctor Who Classic next week. We'll be back on Monday, January 17 for Season 9 Episode 4: The Mutants Parts 1-3!
This from Jon Pertwee.
"Roger, amongst other things, was terrified of water. This was slightly inconvenient as a large part of The Sea Devils was set at sea; but we knew that Roger would not let us down. There was one sequence, however, during which I got very angry with one of the production team members.
The scene involved Roger and me floating in the sea whilst wearing inflatable immersion suits. We had a hell of a job trying to persuade Roger to get into his immersion suit in the first place, because he knew we were going to put him in the water, and he didn’t want to go in the water.
We managed to get him in the suit, and Katy and I talked to him very gently - Katy was always very good at calming Roger down - and eventually we reached the point at which he was about to agree to be floated in the water in order to get an establishing shot before a stuntman took his place as the Master was hauled from the water into a boat. Then an assistant director suddenly butted in with: ‘Oh, come on Roger. For God’s sake, we’ve waited enough already…’ I turned on him immediately.
‘Oh belt up!’ I said sotto voce. ‘We’ve had enough trouble getting Roger into the suit in the first place, and now you come up and start upsetting his confidence. Why don’t you just jump into the sea and cool off.’
Michael Briant, the director, hurried over when he saw what was happening and took the assistant director to one side, saying, ‘Look, leave Roger alone. Let him do it in his own time.’
Eventually, after about forty minutes, the director got the shot he needed of the Master floating in the water. Roger needed gentle persuasion and calm reasoning to get him to do these things, and the fact that he did made me immensely proud of the man. There are not many who can face up to their fears as Roger did. This made him one of the bravest men I knew"
Second Lieutenant Pertwee was indeed in Naval Intelligence during the Second World War. Among other things, he was aboard the last boat to transfer off of the HMS Hood before it was sunk leaving just three survivors, and somehow obtained an anchor tattoo he was unable to recall getting.
Producer Barry Letts was also in the Navy, although Commander Troughton outranked them both even though he spent his entire active service wearing a bright green tea cosy as a hat.
And a friend of mine, who was witness to unveiling of the aforementioned tattoo, said, "Twere'n't anythin' to do with me!" I asked him to confess who got Pertwee drunk. Apparently, "Hughes had nothing to do with it . . Sir!"
20:07 That 100% *is* Jon Pertwee, though. He was an adrenaline junkie and speedboating was one of his passions, so he relished having a go on the jet-ski. Not so Roger Delgado, who didn't like the water at all, so he's covered by a stuntman here.
Pertwee did the stunts jumping on the wire too- and hurt his ribs when he landed on the sonic screwdriver prop.
A model of a submarine was made by purchasing a Woolworths submarine model kit and then changing the propeller. The alterations to the model strongly resembled a prototype submarine being made by the Ministry of Defence. After footage of the model was broadcast as part of the story, the director received a visit from two Naval Intelligence officials, who were concerned about how the visual effects team got the plans for the model.
Actually that was really Jon Pertwee on the speedboat he did his own stunts for those scenes as he has a real life fondness for cars, speedboats and hovercrafts. Roger Delgado not so much as he had a fear of water so a stuntman was used for The Master. Jon Pertwee once served in the Royal Navy during World War II. This is a really popular Doctor Who story. The working title for this serial was to be called "The Sea-Silurians". The reason why The Brig and UNIT don't appear in this serial was because the actors were unavailable.
Sadly, the portrayal of Parliamentary civil servants is pretty accurate, as it turns out. I'm mean, they're all fairly buffoonish at the moment.
I know he's not a massive fan of radio, but Richard may be interested in - and indeed may well have heard - a comedy programme called The Navy Lark. As I say, it was on the radio, contemporaneous with the final episodes of The Goon Show. Jon Pertwee plays Chief Petty Officer Pertwee, and it is very much based on his own experiences in the navy. It's of its time, but I hope it's of interest to him.
@@Silver-rx1mh Blimey! He's taken the jetty with us!"
If you look at Roger's war service record he definitely wasn't a coward
He just had a phobia about going into water
And fair enough. I'm afraid of hieghts.
"Courage isn't just a matter of not being frightened, you know. It's being afraid and doing what you have to do, anyway."
Allegedly,Roger Delgado was terrified of the water.
The score by Malcolm Clarke is interesting...he would later do Earthshock's score which is rather different.
8:45 The show had had army help in the Invasion (as extra soldiers) and the Mind of Evil (the missile). So probably the RN wanted in on it.
20:20 Roger was not a fan of the sea.
24:25 Yes, Pertwee was in Naval Intelligence having been moved on from being onboard ship in 1941 (fortunately missing out on HMS Hood's fateful encounter with Bismarck at the Battle of the Denmark Strait).
30:15 Yeah, they were mixing it up a bit this season compared to 7 and 8. Also only John and Katy were contracted for every story this season, the others were a per story basis.
'The Sea Devils' notes :
Episode Four: Viewing figures = 7.8 million. Chart position = 40.
Episode Fivr: Viewing figures = 8.3 million. Chart position = 39.
Episode Six: Viewing figures = 8.5 million. Chart position = 47.
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Transmission dates : 18, 25 March, 1 April 1972.
Studio sessions : November / December 1971.
Studio : TC8.
I can see the reflection of the ceiling fan in the Doctor Who poster.😊
Well, you've got us there!
@@7thHourFilms 🤣
My hovercraft is full of eels.
You’re exactly right about the Navy’s assistance.
It's quite possible the Royal Navy's involvement here was something of a test for what was to follow. At the time The Sea Devils was airing the BBC series 'Warship' was in productiont, and began screening in June the following year. This series was created by Ian Mackintosh, a serving RN officer, and Anthony Coburn (who wrote 'An Unearthly Child'). It featured ships and crews from a huge number of RN ships, and also the Royal Australian Navy when they filmed in Hong Kong and Singapore. It was a very good show, running until 1977, and probably served as a very good recruitment drive for the Navy.
The release of this is timely, if you've seen the next time teaser at the end of the recent New Year's episode. For the record, the production team approached the Royal Navy about this episode and not vice versa. Actual sailors acted as extras in this story, unless the scenes called for any potentially dangerous stunts. The Sea Devil's "heads" actually sat atop the actor's heads like a top hat, so the actor's eyes would have been in the neck somewhere. Roger Delgado couldn't swim and thus was doubled in the jet ski chase. He did float in the ocean in the submarine escape suit, though he was rather hesitant about even doing that.
I like to think that during stories where the Doctor and Jo are away from UNIT, the Brigadier meets with Liz and they moan about him lol
Love this story, and cant wait for the sea devils overdue return! So happy they have kept the design and not humanised it like they did with the silurians. The mutants is often disliked by fans, but i think its a really good story, just with a bad ending
It is a shame that UNIT were not involved in this story but I find it still enjoyable!
the timing for this reaction is pretty perfect!
The last episode of 'The Sea Devils' was preceded by 'Whacko' with Jimmy Edwards at 5.05 pm, then the BBC News at 5.35 pm - Doctor Who was at 5.50 - 6.15 pm - and followed by 'It's Cliff Richard!' No Tom and Jerry, I'm afraid.
Source. Radio Times. Courtesy of the BBC Genome.
Richard asked about the hover craft; yes, there was one in another episode... "The Enemy of the World". I'm fairly sure it was in part 1.
I like the music it's sinister it's creepy it's scary and adds a horror element to it which in my opinion NuWho sadly lacks. I don't think Doctor Who works without its flaws least to me anyway.
I loved how in this story, we saw the sailors resisting hypnosis and being generally a lot more savvy than the groundpounders (regulars and UNIT both) who could be repeatedly hypnotized by the Master to jump up and down on one foot and bark like a dog. The UK wasn't going to show any sailors in a bad light! :-)
Jon hated technobabble so when that line was written he loved it and used it in different ways whenever he could.
Excellent reactions. I love the Sea Devils. If only modern Who would bring them back. 😉
I just like to say as soon as you put the sonic screwdriver near the mic it made my cat jump
Lol! Sorry!
@@7thHourFilms it’s ok she jumped started to look around wondering what it was then laid back down
A parliamentary private secretary as an unpaid position where the holder is a member of parliament selected and appointed by the relevant departmental minister, rather than by the Prime Minister (in this case Walker would either be an assistant to the Defence Secretary or maybe even just an assistant to a junior defence minister). They are not considered to be part of the government as such but it's the bottom rung on the ladder to becoming a government minister. You're right... no way would Walker have such authority as he displays here.
Britain certainly had nuclear depth charge armed aircraft (and ships) as part of the anti-submarine warfare defences. These were considered tactical weapons (rather than strategic) and were relatively low yield albeit massively destructive for any submarine enemies due to the more efficient transfer of shock through water. Although we would presumably have advised both our allies in NATO and the Soviet Union of the intention to use the weapons in order to avoid misunderstandings, it wouldn't have needed anyone's permission outside the UK chain of command. As tactical weapons, control was much less strict than is the case with strategic weapons and in times of war would have been delegated to aircraft or ship captains.
Nice to see the old SLRs (Self-Loading Rifles--a variant of the Belgian FN) , the weapon that was still in use in all branches of the armed forces throughout my own service.
As discussed, this was very much seen by the Royal Navy as an opportunity for a bit of self-promotion. Incidentally, the typical age for recruitment at that time was 16-18 (when I joined the RAF at 19 I was one of the oldest in the entry) and engagements were 6-9 years.
Finally (!), the "Commander in Chief" of the UK armed forces is the Monarch, as Head of State (currently Queen Elizabeth II). All servicemen and women, on enlistment swear to allegiance to the Monarch--not the Government, who serves at her pleasure and draws it authority from the Crown). If I recall correctly, it runs something like: "I swear by Almighty God to bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, Her Heirs and Successors in law and defend Her Majesty against all enemies. I will obey the lawful commands of the Air Officers and Officers set over me." I used to know that by heart but it is over 40 years so may not be 100%!
Really finally... 'Parliamentary Secretary' is an assistant to a Minister or a 'third tier' member of the Government ranking below Secretary of State (the most senior position with a Cabinet seat) and Minister of State. This role should not be confused with "Permanent Secretary" which is the most senior Civil Service post in a department.
This story came out in 1972. Live and let die came out in 1973.
Trivia: How many times did Jon Pertwee say "Reverse the polarity of the Neutron Flow"?
Answer:
He only ever said it Twice, all other times he would say "Reverse the polarity"
You should listen to big finish war master series its about what the master was doing during the time war
A microphone would have been cropped off by the TVs of the time.
I realise this is a few weeks late, but I've only just found the time to catch up with these reactions. Y'all say that it's unclear how Walker had the authority to launch a nuke and that just one line would've cleared it up. It's so frustrating whenever y'all make this criticism because almost every time y'all have missed that "one line", as y'all have done here.
Blythe: If I may ask, sir, what is the purpose of your visit?
Walker: Why, all those ships sinking. I've come down to clear it up for you. The Minister's put me in full charge.
Oh, would you look at that. The "one line" y'all were talking about was in there all along! I have to say that it's a bit frustrating that it's always me that has to clear up these confusions. No one else in the two or three weeks (or however long it's been) since this reaction has been up has thought to correct y'all.
Honestly, I don't think there's one definition of companion which is satisfactory. Any definition you come up with will either exclude people who should count, or include people who very obviously shouldn't.
I kind of forgot how little UNIT is in this season. Actually thinking about it, that kind of continues now until they're just off the show entirely. Guess they got bored of UNIT fairly quickly.
oH, for shame, Alex! How sharper than a serpent's tooth, oh, springtime youth! And in the years to come, what then? In ten, two dozen. When the years have riddled your blood and cursed veins grow taut! And the numbing of feet and hands with cold. Then you will say it. "Oh, my sainted and honourable dear old Dad, thou wast right! Poor Alex is numbies in his thumbies and the wind doth whistle, where first it darest not! And Richard, from his cosiest vantage point - at the second star to the right, in the realm of 'The Great Armchair' - shall gaze down at his favoured son and reply, " I won't say I didn't tell you so - Hold on - I DID!" and Alex chides with a "Hmmph! . . You got anything else?" Upon which, Richard will reply, "I got nothin'!"
Dude, I get cold now. Just not while I record. For some reason I give off more body heat when I film. Very strange.
@@7thHourFilms Hm. That's most intriguing! That will tickle the little grey cells most admirably.
@@7thHourFilms Alex. Do you get 'stage fright' before you record?
Not really. I've done it for so long that its just natural. Now back in the day, I was more uncomfortable with recording. Actually, yesterday I recorded something very different from my reactions and I was a bit out of my element at the beginning.
@@7thHourFilms Hm. Just thinking out loud. Some things like anxiety, caffeine or sugar can precipitate feelings of overheating. I've cut both sugar and caffeine and I don't get that same effect anymore. Additional plus of my anxiety diminishing as well! That one was a lifelong problem! - I don't like heights either, small spaces and, as for dolls! Yeeeergh!
Didn't Capaldi program the Cybermen to attack anything with 2 hearts and thus against the Master?
Yeah, but those were the real (original) Cybermen. The ones Missy created in Series 8 were loyal to her.
Ironic that Dad thought this might be about pirates with the hints the trailer had for the next special in 2022
Alex,have you shown your dad the recent Sea Devil clip?He would enjoy the eye movements.
I didn't watch the Next Time trailer. I just heard about them coming back. I might wait. I might not. I'll see.
@@7thHourFilms Gotcha.
The term "companion" is problematic. "Travelling companion" or "assistant" better I think.
Rose Tyler: "I'm not his 'assistant'!"
12: "This is Clara. Not my assistant. She's my..."
Clara: "I'm his carer."
12: "Right. She's my carer. She cares so I don't have to."
@@Rocket1377 Thee Brigadier would certainly say the same.