Everyone has a breaking point and Barrow realized that he was so close to not being able to carry on as he should. Would it have been braver to put someone else in harms way by not doing what he did?!? None of us know for certain how we would react in those truly awful situations. My dad joined the Navy the day after Pearl Harbor and went through the whole war in the Pacific. His nightmares remained for his whole life, from what he had seen and experienced. My husband’s dad was in Europe for WWII and coped (with his PTSD) by drinking, to dull the images that he witnessed when he helped the German death camp people. It’s easy to judge others yet unless you have been in that situation........well, you just don’t know for certain.
@@kmarch6630 Never judge a person without trying to understand him. There was an interview where Rob James-Collier explained this situation, also his conversation with Falklands war veteran, and I was ashamed of thinking of Thomas as a coward in the past.
The way Isobel immediately looks at Matthew when Lord Grantham announces that they're at war always struck me. She probably immediately realised what it meant for him - because of his age, he's certain to be called up to fight. Her only child going off to war 😢
He is University educated and already a solicitor, and the heir to an Earldom. He likely wouldn't be called up at that age and station...but she knows he will volunteer. I know! A small distinction, perhaps, but truth. I'm from a 4-generation military family.
Thanks for the UK data. No Snark, I appreciate it. As a not-so-ugly Military Brat in a nation of Ugly Americans in charge...no draft that far back is a mind concept! Still..and Evermore, ☮️🕊🕊🕊☮️@@senorsiro3748
I love the way Sybil walked into Dr. Clarkson's office! Such a strong-willed woman. I do wish we had more scenes of she and Barrow working together - they're two of my favorite characters!
Thomas Barrow is the reason I've re-watched DA about 30 times in a row. Such a complicated and charming character. Like, WHO changed THAT much during the 6 seasons? Nobody! It's only Thomas who went through his transformation, and through suicide he discovered the reason that is making him unhappy, and actually DID try to become a BETTER PERSON. Nobody else in the entire series did that. No such transformation among ALL other characters. Am I going to watch the DA movie?? Hell, I AM! And that's 95% because of Thomas Barrow.
AB. B. You’re always so condescending and rude in these comments. Your predictability is boring. Thanks for adding your two cents; I’m sure someone will appreciate it more than me.
AB. B. And here you go again with your unwarranted profanity. To answer your question, since you are right, I didn’t answer it, I don’t know. Downton Abbey is a historical fiction drama series. They’ve been pictured at church before for Sunday services; the downstairs team seems to be more religious overall than the wealthier crew they care for. That’d be something to research for a definitive answer. But as a loyal viewer of the show, I can say they’ve been to church but it was never an integral part of the series.
AB. B. Lady Mary got on her knees at her bedside and said a prayer for Matthew’s well-being and it was a very tender scene. It’s not showed here, but in this episode she said a prayer. He was in a relationship with Lavinia at this time and given all they’ve (Mary and Matthew) had been through together at this point made it incredibly heartwarming.
It’s watching shows like this that make me really wish people back then were given the treatment they needed, and their ptsd, depression and shell shock acknowledged and helped.
They didn't know that it was an actual injury. People still call it a character flaw and a weakness. Also, it can happen to any trauma victim, not just soldiers.
Pausing it at 9:40 is so moving. The poor guy is wincing in pain, scared, traumatized, but relieved to be leaving the trenches. Great acting. But so sad to think of those poor lads sitting in the trenches feeling so desperate they had to resort to this.
Sadly, some people just seem to be wired without a sense of empathy or are just sociopathic and enjoy making others suffer. In some cases even the most perfect upbringing and life would not have undone their crossed wiring at birth. Some people are just cruel from a very young age it seems.
Little did Matthew know during those days in the trenches that his son would one day become Thomas’ best friend, and Thomas would protect and play with his son as if he were his own. ❤
I have seen or heard so much about this war yet never quite had this reaction. I was given the gift of having to care for my very PTSD WWII Pacific Theater Survivor father with a lifetime of rage. Only in the last year of his life where I was initially forced to care for him, no one else would do it. He told me and no one else, including my mother, stories of when Two of his ships were sunk. I now hold these memories and don't know what to do with them. Please don't let these memories die.
My sympathy and gratitude goes out to your Father, and your family. The Best way to honor his sacrifice is to Tell his story for generations to come. 💜🕊️
Depressing subject but I'd enjoy more of these longer-format "thematic" uploads. E.g. Mary assuming an increasingly active role in management of the estate (from having to marry the heir to considering the economics) and Robert's growing support of her in that role. Or the changing relationship between Violet and Cora, in which Violet cedes the reins to Cora as Cora gets involved with more serious/modern concerns in the community (less garden club, more hospital).
I was mad too. Isobel always meddled in people's lives and pushed people into her opinions whenever they were uncertain. If someone was uncertain about something, there was a high chance they would end up doing what Isobel believed was right. The trend is Isobel always pushed people
I'll always regret Lt. Courtenay's death. It was totally avoidable, if only Dr Clarkson had listened. Physical injuries are not the only wounds in need of healing... Also, no, Thomas was never a coward for doing what he did to get out of the trenches. On the contrary. It takes real courage to willingly wait getting shot at.
Sadly, at that time, mental illneses weren´t understood, and PTS wasn´t even a medical therm. How many people would´ve saved only with a bit of humanity and empathy
As time went on, they found out more about it -- far beyond the length of this series. It really wasn't until the Vietnam War and its aftermath that the scientific community, media, and public really got something of a clue worth mentioning about what was called "Shell Shock", and later in WW2 "combat fatigue" -- finally in *1980* (!) a formal label on the condition by the American Psychiatric Association: PTSD (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder)
Little did they know some 25 years later, a war several times the magnitude and venom broke out with Germany and Japan and killed several times more people.
Please create more downton abbeys... like honestly please... I’m 13 years old, i’ve never liked tv shows but this? Amazing... thomas barrow everything about him and this show. *please* ;;
Haha I’m only 14 and I started watching this show when I was 11. Glad to see some young people watching too! Other TV shows I would recommend to you are The Sopranos and Breaking Bad
I’m 12 lol 😆 yeah I love Thomas he’s my favorite.. if they don’t make another season I’d be fine with a movie honestly I just really wanna see what happens with Thomas (after what happened at the end of the movie)
It's an amazing show and I'm beyond glad someone your age enjoyed it! Here in the Detroit area our local PBS station has just started showing the first season again on Sunday afternoons, it's a chance to see it all again ☺.
My grandfather's closest childhood friend, Pvt. Lewis Conor, was killed on November 3, 1918, at the Meuse-Argonne. He was 27 years old. Please speak his name out loud. My grandfather survived and came home in 1919.
wow that's so awful. naturally i don't know mr. conor or what he looked like but i'm thinking about him. losing your best friend must be such a profound pain
My great grandfather was imprisoned in a warcamp in ww2. His wife kept him sort of sane during her life until she got dementia. He ended his life 50 years after the war ended because the horror was to much to bare..
@@hecate3062 For his life and service to his country, I salute and Thank him for his bravery, strength and courage. My God grant his soul eternal peace 🕊️ and rest. 💜
I think what’s amazing is Mary loves not many people, or has trouble loving people in the way of showing it, but it’s so evident that Matthew became so easy for her to love. She prayed for Matthew’s safety, of all people she’d be the last to do that, and she nursed him back to health, quite again impressive, thirdly she implemented his advice on relationships and became kinder, sadly she didn’t see that as an improvement and saw it more of Matthew and distanced herself from being nice once he SPOILERRRRR died
@@m.layfette6249 not only that. They also tried to send him away from the house. He wasn’t ready. He was the reason they started the convalescence house. The soldiers needed it. Poor poor boy. Bad PTSD as well.
Season 1: Noble's Normal Life in Early 20th Centries (also the rise of new idealogy). Season 2: Noble's War Time Living during the Great War Season 3: Noble's Transaction period After the Great War Season 4+: The rise of Modern Nobles and the downfall of Victorian Nobles
u know. I'd really like to see the scene of Violet consoling daisy after the matriach catch the giirl sobbing over feeling guilty to let william think she loved him
The idea behind the white feather is as old as humanity itself. Homer in the Illiad has passages in which kings and warriors who fail to heed King Menelaus' call were shamed and called cowards and oathbreakers. In Rome during the Republic and Imperial days, noncompliance of the call to arms is punishable by death and being damned to be called "cowards". Service to the State is inextricably linked to manhood and thus any man who fails to heed the call would not be respected by the community they live in. In Victorian times were gender roles are well-defined, refusal to do what a man "ought to do" brings shame to you and your family and the consequences are material enough to render you civilly impaired like bot getting a job or be treated with respect by the community...
What the hell were the point of the helmets if they didn't stop bullets?????? Also rare shout out to O'Brian for being shockingly compassionate to Lang
The 1# cause of death in WW1, at least on the western front was shrapnel fragments from artillery. By 1916 all major armies in the West were issuing helmets to their troops for this reason.
No. 1 mistake you believe in is that helmets can stop bullets firing at you square on. That is not what helmets are for, it's for things like pieces of metal that fly less fast than bullets but way faster than being thrown with call "Shrapnel". Most deaths prior to helmets being issued are head injuries from shrapnel...
Showing Barrow injuring himself and getting away with it is total fantasy. My father's cousin was in The Royal Artillery during World War 1 and was sent to the front. He prepared shells for firing by screwing a fuse into the tip of each shell. He was doing this when a fuse exploded severely damaging his hand. He was court marshalled charged with deliberately injuring himself. Despite witnesses speaking in his defence, the court didn't accept it was an accident. (If he'd done it deliberately he wouldn't know if it'd set the shell off.) He was reduced to the ranks from being a corporal or sergeant and transferred to The Pioneer Corps (general labourers who dug trenches and latrines). He got no compensation for his disability after the war. The authorities were totally ruthless. Shot in the hand, how? Try explaining how your fingers got injured if you're well below ground level.
The writer Julian Fellowes, himself of upper-class descent, has captured the mindset of the family perfectly. Never in the series of Season 1 and 2, it occurs to the Crawley family to modernize or help other people. Fellowes lets all positive impulses come from other parties outside of the family that lives in the house. This is exactly as it went down with most of such families. They were unable to understand what was going on, rejecting anything in advance that would change their position. The series is actually about an utterly useless and passive family struggling with the times. Fellowes did an unusually good job. The series Upstairs-Downstairs had little understanding of reality in it. It was a comical farce. Downton Abbey portrays the times and the utter stupidity and hopelessness of the old guard.
War is hell. The enemy with his back to you one moment is the one shooting at you the next. Robert knew this, you could tell by the way he announced the beginning of the war that it was dreadful news.
@@NotMykl Are you joking? I know someone who, for the UK, quite unusually is a member of a gun club. His brother is also a member and owns a World War 1 era German rifle that's accurate at two miles!
My Grandfather fought in this war luckily he came home his brother not so lucky he’s buried in Flanders Fields. It was supposed to be the was to end all Wars but soon the sons of these men will be fighting a Second World War god help us if there’s a third.
To be fair to him, it was a tough situation. There was a list of people a mile long who also needed that bed to be treated - allowing the blind soldier to stay and heal mentally would have prevented potentially quite a few other wounded soldiers. As Dr. Clarkson put it himself, the situation was very unfortunate because there were no good solutions which is why they opened the Abbey as a convalescent home for more space.
@@ashleytrout7452 Unfortunately I don't think those really existed back then; certainly not for soldiers around which the popular narrative was they were always brave and unafraid fighting for King and Country when the reality is these young men were scared, hurt, and lonely, just like anyone else. Let's be thankful we live in the modern world that has a kinder and more nuanced understanding of the human experience :)
Whilst these horrors were very real during the First World War, the saddest thing of all that yet again in Europe we are witnessing the same happening all over again in Ukraine. All because a despot with a huge chip on his shoulder ordered his country's forces to engage in a 'special military operation' for which there was and is not any basis whatsoever. Ironic that it should be just over a hundred years of what was known as 'The Great War'. At that time, the Bolsheviks revolted against their leader the Czar. Let's hope that this war also incites a revolt against the current leader of Vladimir Putin and that this time, the Russians choose the path of democracy, respect for the rule of law and peaceful interaction with their neighbours.
I am freaking out at your last sentence. Do you really know anything about what has been going on in Russia for the past 30 or so years, especially in the 90ies?
For cowardice. Women around the Commonwealth were all too pleased to hand them out to able-bodied men and boys of age who didn't choose to go to the front.
@@blissinchains Like those women knew what it was like at the front. I heard one British soldier who was out of uniform was handed a white feather by a girl on a bus. He used it to clean his pipe and when it was completely filthy, gave it back to her.
@@blissinchains I find it ironic that those men fighting for those lives wouldn't choose to be there and the fact that this is the treatment that they would receive if they hadn't gone. It's an endless cycle of not wanting to die but not wanting to be seen as a coward.
@@wyattpeterson6286 Simon Whistler talked about the White Feather Movement and he mentioned a lady that was harassing a fella that just got home from the front and when the lady tried to hand him a white feather he got so incensed that he ended up smacking her with his pay book.
Like everything in Downton Abby, this is nuanced. It is easy to agree with Robert’s righteous indignation, but if you were a working class woman forced to part with sons and husbands sent off to war, you might feel handing a white feather to ruling class men who were exempt from such service to be a very restrained protest.
I like season one, it is a bit like any good soap opera. Or a more realistic version of Jane Austen with more crime and intrigues. The trouble starts when they go into WW I. I have not watched starting at season 2. But well, perhaps some of it is not about WW I and the aftermath. If it keeps on like that, I think I will stop watching any more. I like more or less happy show with happy endings.
The show always ends happy, I definitely recommend watching all the future seasons - the uncomfortable and tense moments only serve to make the happiness more special.
I think what you said was very disrespectful. They went to war to fight for the country I call home now and many died but why did they give their lives, well so that future generations their age didn’t have to go war and could be as entitled as they liked. It’s disrespectful because you sound like you want to send another generation off to war. The exact thing that they died to prevent, WW1 and WW2 should’ve been the ward to end all wars after all. Let’s no forget members of “the entitled generation” also fought in more recent wars and died for our freedom, what about them? Entitled too? You may think you are the brave one sitting behind your computer but you are the real disrespectful person in this comments section.
Oh shut the hell up. There are wars still raging today inflicting the same trauma on millions, some of them spanning decades at this point. You show your own priviledge and pamperedness by pretending otherwise in your little white castle. Or do wars and the suffering they cause stop mattering to you when those being affected aren't white Westerners?
"Thank you for my deliverance." Pulls the tears out of me every time.
Everyone has a breaking point and Barrow realized that he was so close to not being able to carry on as he should. Would it have been braver to put someone else in harms way by not doing what he did?!? None of us know for certain how we would react in those truly awful situations. My dad joined the Navy the day after Pearl Harbor and went through the whole war in the Pacific. His nightmares remained for his whole life, from what he had seen and experienced. My husband’s dad was in Europe for WWII and coped (with his PTSD) by drinking, to dull the images that he witnessed when he helped the German death camp people. It’s easy to judge others yet unless you have been in that situation........well, you just don’t know for certain.
Coward.
@@kmarch6630 Never judge a person without trying to understand him.
There was an interview where Rob James-Collier explained this situation, also his conversation with Falklands war veteran, and I was ashamed of thinking of Thomas as a coward in the past.
@@kmarch6630 well you try going to front in fear of being killed every single day. you’d be a coward too
@@kmarch6630 try to live in the situation soldiers lived during WW1 then we’ll see…
The way Isobel immediately looks at Matthew when Lord Grantham announces that they're at war always struck me. She probably immediately realised what it meant for him - because of his age, he's certain to be called up to fight. Her only child going off to war 😢
He is University educated and already a solicitor, and the heir to an Earldom. He likely wouldn't be called up at that age and station...but she knows he will volunteer. I know! A small distinction, perhaps, but truth. I'm from a 4-generation military family.
do you happen to have some source on how the exemptions were decided back then?@@amandamcquade1272
@@amandamcquade1272Also… Britain had an all-Volunteer army well into 1915
Thanks for the UK data. No Snark, I appreciate it. As a not-so-ugly Military Brat in a nation of Ugly Americans in charge...no draft that far back is a mind concept! Still..and Evermore, ☮️🕊🕊🕊☮️@@senorsiro3748
It's always nice to see o'brian showing some compassion
But it’s rather rare
This is literally the only scene where she shows any.
I love the way Sybil walked into Dr. Clarkson's office! Such a strong-willed woman. I do wish we had more scenes of she and Barrow working together - they're two of my favorite characters!
Thomas Barrow is the reason I've re-watched DA about 30 times in a row. Such a complicated and charming character. Like, WHO changed THAT much during the 6 seasons? Nobody! It's only Thomas who went through his transformation, and through suicide he discovered the reason that is making him unhappy, and actually DID try to become a BETTER PERSON. Nobody else in the entire series did that. No such transformation among ALL other characters. Am I going to watch the DA movie?? Hell, I AM! And that's 95% because of Thomas Barrow.
Миры Фэнтези same. I started watching Downton because of barrow and I bought all the seasons and the movie
Same!
Same! Well said!
CANNOT AGREE MORE TO THAT! We love our Thomas 🥺
And also Edith, from a foolish woman to a smart modern woman.
Her praying ALWAYS gets me crying. That’s how you knew her love for him would never die, regardless of the circumstances.
AB. B. You’re always so condescending and rude in these comments. Your predictability is boring. Thanks for adding your two cents; I’m sure someone will appreciate it more than me.
AB. B. And here you go again with your unwarranted profanity. To answer your question, since you are right, I didn’t answer it, I don’t know. Downton Abbey is a historical fiction drama series. They’ve been pictured at church before for Sunday services; the downstairs team seems to be more religious overall than the wealthier crew they care for. That’d be something to research for a definitive answer. But as a loyal viewer of the show, I can say they’ve been to church but it was never an integral part of the series.
AB. B. Lady Mary got on her knees at her bedside and said a prayer for Matthew’s well-being and it was a very tender scene. It’s not showed here, but in this episode she said a prayer. He was in a relationship with Lavinia at this time and given all they’ve (Mary and Matthew) had been through together at this point made it incredibly heartwarming.
That's why I love Downton Abbey, they never forgot the history of the times!
Downtown abbey creators really made it realistic I think that’s what intrigues me more for downtown
It’s watching shows like this that make me really wish people back then were given the treatment they needed, and their ptsd, depression and shell shock acknowledged and helped.
They didn't know that it was an actual injury. People still call it a character flaw and a weakness. Also, it can happen to any trauma victim, not just soldiers.
They arent even given that today my friend, far from it.
imagine if they gave homosexuals the treatment they needed, then we might have had some more Alan Turing. imagine that...
Pausing it at 9:40 is so moving. The poor guy is wincing in pain, scared, traumatized, but relieved to be leaving the trenches. Great acting. But so sad to think of those poor lads sitting in the trenches feeling so desperate they had to resort to this.
That moment when Sybill bursted in and supported Thomas...He remembered that, hence why he was immensly grief struck when the news came she died
3:40 O’Brien did some unspeakably awful things during her time on the show, but I wonder what made her evil. She had moments of kindness.
We're human; there doesn't need to be a reason for our own evil. We can manage that all by ourselves.
Sadly, some people just seem to be wired without a sense of empathy or are just sociopathic and enjoy making others suffer. In some cases even the most perfect upbringing and life would not have undone their crossed wiring at birth. Some people are just cruel from a very young age it seems.
I love the non-linear timeframe and overlapping of scenes in this clip, it really well encapsulates the terror and constant on-guard-ness of the war
Little did Matthew know during those days in the trenches that his son would one day become Thomas’ best friend, and Thomas would protect and play with his son as if he were his own. ❤
A fitting and moving compilation for 11th November. Thank you.
Thanks for watching! 😊
I have seen or heard so much about this war yet never quite had this reaction. I was given the gift of having to care for my very PTSD WWII Pacific Theater Survivor father with a lifetime of rage. Only in the last year of his life where I was initially forced to care for him, no one else would do it. He told me and no one else, including my mother, stories of when Two of his ships were sunk. I now hold these memories and don't know what to do with them. Please don't let these memories die.
My sympathy and gratitude goes out to your Father, and your family. The Best way to honor his sacrifice is to Tell his story for generations to come. 💜🕊️
Depressing subject but I'd enjoy more of these longer-format "thematic" uploads. E.g. Mary assuming an increasingly active role in management of the estate (from having to marry the heir to considering the economics) and Robert's growing support of her in that role. Or the changing relationship between Violet and Cora, in which Violet cedes the reins to Cora as Cora gets involved with more serious/modern concerns in the community (less garden club, more hospital).
I'll never forgive Isobel for pushing so hard to have William Mason forced into the military. The Dowager Countess tried so hard to protect him.
Without meaning to, Isobel got him killed. If he’d lived, Daisy would’ve learned to love him over time and they would’ve lived a happy life together.
I was mad too. Isobel always meddled in people's lives and pushed people into her opinions whenever they were uncertain. If someone was uncertain about something, there was a high chance they would end up doing what Isobel believed was right. The trend is Isobel always pushed people
I'll always regret Lt. Courtenay's death. It was totally avoidable, if only Dr Clarkson had listened. Physical injuries are not the only wounds in need of healing...
Also, no, Thomas was never a coward for doing what he did to get out of the trenches. On the contrary. It takes real courage to willingly wait getting shot at.
Sadly, at that time, mental illneses weren´t understood, and PTS wasn´t even a medical therm. How many people would´ve saved only with a bit of humanity and empathy
@@vilwarin5635 Indeed. They just didn't understand how serious mental wounds could be at the time.
Nesseire They called it she’ll shock in that time.
NyxErebus
Shell. Not she'll.
As time went on, they found out more about it -- far beyond the length of this series. It really wasn't until the Vietnam War and its aftermath that the scientific community, media, and public really got something of a clue worth mentioning about what was called "Shell Shock", and later in WW2 "combat fatigue" -- finally in *1980* (!) a formal label on the condition by the American Psychiatric Association: PTSD (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder)
Little did they know some 25 years later, a war several times the magnitude and venom broke out with Germany and Japan and killed several times more people.
It's the aftermath of the first war that lead to the horrors of the second war.
Please create more downton abbeys... like honestly please... I’m 13 years old, i’ve never liked tv shows but this? Amazing... thomas barrow everything about him and this show. *please* ;;
Haha I’m only 14 and I started watching this show when I was 11. Glad to see some young people watching too! Other TV shows I would recommend to you are The Sopranos and Breaking Bad
Exactly
I’m 12 lol 😆 yeah I love Thomas he’s my favorite.. if they don’t make another season I’d be fine with a movie honestly I just really wanna see what happens with Thomas (after what happened at the end of the movie)
It's an amazing show and I'm beyond glad someone your age enjoyed it! Here in the Detroit area our local PBS station has just started showing the first season again on Sunday afternoons, it's a chance to see it all again ☺.
Lol I’m 13 now and I’ve been watching downtown since I was 8
My grandfather's closest childhood friend, Pvt. Lewis Conor, was killed on November 3, 1918, at the Meuse-Argonne. He was 27 years old. Please speak his name out loud. My grandfather survived and came home in 1919.
wow that's so awful. naturally i don't know mr. conor or what he looked like but i'm thinking about him. losing your best friend must be such a profound pain
Some gave All, All gave some. 🇬🇧 🤗 🇺🇲 💜
My great grandfather was imprisoned in a warcamp in ww2. His wife kept him sort of sane during her life until she got dementia. He ended his life 50 years after the war ended because the horror was to much to bare..
@@hecate3062 For his life and service to his country, I salute and Thank him for his bravery, strength and courage. My God grant his soul eternal peace 🕊️ and rest. 💜
@@m.layfette6249 he was no soldier. He was a farmer. But that makes it painful nonetheless.
he really brought out the good in thomas. such a shame
I think what’s amazing is Mary loves not many people, or has trouble loving people in the way of showing it, but it’s so evident that Matthew became so easy for her to love. She prayed for Matthew’s safety, of all people she’d be the last to do that, and she nursed him back to health, quite again impressive, thirdly she implemented his advice on relationships and became kinder, sadly she didn’t see that as an improvement and saw it more of Matthew and distanced herself from being nice once he SPOILERRRRR died
I can't still get over Edward Courtenay's (The Blind Soldier) death😭 He should've lived!😭😭😭😭😭😭
The unfortunate early signs of PTSD.
@@m.layfette6249 OH NAUUURRR
If only Thomas and Sybil could have saved him.. 😢
@@m.layfette6249 not only that. They also tried to send him away from the house. He wasn’t ready. He was the reason they started the convalescence house. The soldiers needed it. Poor poor boy. Bad PTSD as well.
Great acting by Robert, wow
Season 1: Noble's Normal Life in Early 20th Centries (also the rise of new idealogy).
Season 2: Noble's War Time Living during the Great War
Season 3: Noble's Transaction period After the Great War
Season 4+: The rise of Modern Nobles and the downfall of Victorian Nobles
u know. I'd really like to see the scene of Violet consoling daisy after the matriach catch the giirl sobbing over feeling guilty to let william think she loved him
You know it's Real when the Dowager Countess cries at your wedding. 😥💗👰
Will never be over William's death
4:24 love his lordship stood up for his servants, he won’t take this malarkey In his home.
Did anyone else notice that the stretch-bearer’s head was above the parapet of the trench the ENTIRE time?! No wonder he got shot.
I make myself cry bec i have too or i.can't make it through the day. I love DA so much
That White Feather was such a bunch of bollocks to be honest - because people who invented it didn't go to war or had to die
The idea behind the white feather is as old as humanity itself. Homer in the Illiad has passages in which kings and warriors who fail to heed King Menelaus' call were shamed and called cowards and oathbreakers. In Rome during the Republic and Imperial days, noncompliance of the call to arms is punishable by death and being damned to be called "cowards". Service to the State is inextricably linked to manhood and thus any man who fails to heed the call would not be respected by the community they live in. In Victorian times were gender roles are well-defined, refusal to do what a man "ought to do" brings shame to you and your family and the consequences are material enough to render you civilly impaired like bot getting a job or be treated with respect by the community...
No demands for equality on the frontlines from the suffragettes was there!
Lest we forget
Mrs Patmore was a star.
I love how she doesn’t hesitate to start helping in the soup kitchen. Sees what’s going and just dives in.
What the hell were the point of the helmets if they didn't stop bullets??????
Also rare shout out to O'Brian for being shockingly compassionate to Lang
But stop shrapnels of artillery shells. And there were a lot shells. May didn't stop all but more than your bald head
The 1# cause of death in WW1, at least on the western front was shrapnel fragments from artillery. By 1916 all major armies in the West were issuing helmets to their troops for this reason.
No. 1 mistake you believe in is that helmets can stop bullets firing at you square on. That is not what helmets are for, it's for things like pieces of metal that fly less fast than bullets but way faster than being thrown with call "Shrapnel". Most deaths prior to helmets being issued are head injuries from shrapnel...
This was sad
Your nickname and picture disagree. Team HP or Twilight?
Véronique Lebeau HP, this account is old as shit
Showing Barrow injuring himself and getting away with it is total fantasy. My father's cousin was in The Royal Artillery during World War 1 and was sent to the front. He prepared shells for firing by screwing a fuse into the tip of each shell. He was doing this when a fuse exploded severely damaging his hand. He was court marshalled charged with deliberately injuring himself. Despite witnesses speaking in his defence, the court didn't accept it was an accident. (If he'd done it deliberately he wouldn't know if it'd set the shell off.) He was reduced to the ranks from being a corporal or sergeant and transferred to The Pioneer Corps (general labourers who dug trenches and latrines). He got no compensation for his disability after the war. The authorities were totally ruthless.
Shot in the hand, how? Try explaining how your fingers got injured if you're well below ground level.
The writer Julian Fellowes, himself of upper-class descent, has captured the mindset of the family perfectly. Never in the series of Season 1 and 2, it occurs to the Crawley family to modernize or help other people. Fellowes lets all positive impulses come from other parties outside of the family that lives in the house. This is exactly as it went down with most of such families. They were unable to understand what was going on, rejecting anything in advance that would change their position. The series is actually about an utterly useless and passive family struggling with the times. Fellowes did an unusually good job. The series Upstairs-Downstairs had little understanding of reality in it. It was a comical farce. Downton Abbey portrays the times and the utter stupidity and hopelessness of the old guard.
O'Brien. Who knew.
The way the poor soldier suddenly fell down!!! 😢
7:16 Is this Simon Pegg?
Anyone else have childhood trauma of walking in your grandma watching this show and all you see if the guy getting his hand shot? messed me up
4:05 It's astonishing thinking of women doing this when they had no fucking clue what it was like in the war.
They even did it to underage boys, and many of the boys responded by lying about their age in order to enlist. Truly despicable what those women did.
1:00 *1917's* Lance Corporal Schofield was in this battle.
Ah cool!!
I'm 66 in December and I lost two Great Uncles in the 1914-18 war and a Uncle in the 1939 War when he trod on a Landmine
Can we just talk about how much of a jerk the German was who shot this dude at 1:46 who wasn't retaliating and he stupidly had his back turned.
You are assuming he is the person the German was aiming at. Rifle scopes were not that accurate in the 1910s.
@@NotMykl Fair enough, if it was accidental it was a good, or lucky, shot. Still feel bad for the guy.
War is hell. The enemy with his back to you one moment is the one shooting at you the next. Robert knew this, you could tell by the way he announced the beginning of the war that it was dreadful news.
@@NotMykl Are you joking? I know someone who, for the UK, quite unusually is a member of a gun club. His brother is also a member and owns a World War 1 era German rifle that's accurate at two miles!
There was an ad for "Dune" before this came on.
Not even Downton Abby downstairs or upstairs was untouched by the war
Wonder how they react to the casualties of the Somme or Passchendaele?
My Grandfather fought in this war luckily he came home his brother not so lucky he’s buried in Flanders Fields. It was supposed to be the was to end all Wars but soon the sons of these men will be fighting a Second World War god help us if there’s a third.
We can blame Dr Clarkson for that blind mans death
To be fair to him, it was a tough situation. There was a list of people a mile long who also needed that bed to be treated - allowing the blind soldier to stay and heal mentally would have prevented potentially quite a few other wounded soldiers. As Dr. Clarkson put it himself, the situation was very unfortunate because there were no good solutions which is why they opened the Abbey as a convalescent home for more space.
@@eliu868 he could have sent him to a mental health facility
@@ashleytrout7452 Unfortunately I don't think those really existed back then; certainly not for soldiers around which the popular narrative was they were always brave and unafraid fighting for King and Country when the reality is these young men were scared, hurt, and lonely, just like anyone else. Let's be thankful we live in the modern world that has a kinder and more nuanced understanding of the human experience :)
Remembering 2nd Lieutenant Edward Archibald Beauchamp, killed at Ypres on December 23, 1914
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Whilst these horrors were very real during the First World War, the saddest thing of all that yet again in Europe we are witnessing the same happening all over again in Ukraine. All because a despot with a huge chip on his shoulder ordered his country's forces to engage in a 'special military operation' for which there was and is not any basis whatsoever. Ironic that it should be just over a hundred years of what was known as 'The Great War'. At that time, the Bolsheviks revolted against their leader the Czar. Let's hope that this war also incites a revolt against the current leader of Vladimir Putin and that this time, the Russians choose the path of democracy, respect for the rule of law and peaceful interaction with their neighbours.
I am freaking out at your last sentence. Do you really know anything about what has been going on in Russia for the past 30 or so years, especially in the 90ies?
Actually the Navo has punched a snake. Its not all that innocent
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many shaled! have doed! that in that terrible war
Shaled? Doed? What?
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Those poor Women- how they suffered!
My granddad rogers survived it
I never knew him
the old lie dulce et decorum est pro patria mori
Lesson learned war is ugly, and boomerangs will come at it.
Here I was wondering why he was just yelling - dude pick up a loudspeaker - forgetting this was WWI era and not some reenactment cosplay
I did tell him to get down!
ok
Thomas that was cowardly.
Christ you try being in the trenches with yr mates dying around you ,terrified out of yr wits. Have a bloody heart
We r at war with Germany everything changes at once and so is Downton
White feather?
For cowardice. Women around the Commonwealth were all too pleased to hand them out to able-bodied men and boys of age who didn't choose to go to the front.
@@blissinchains Like those women knew what it was like at the front. I heard one British soldier who was out of uniform was handed a white feather by a girl on a bus. He used it to clean his pipe and when it was completely filthy, gave it back to her.
@@blissinchains I find it ironic that those men fighting for those lives wouldn't choose to be there and the fact that this is the treatment that they would receive if they hadn't gone. It's an endless cycle of not wanting to die but not wanting to be seen as a coward.
@@wyattpeterson6286 Simon Whistler talked about the White Feather Movement and he mentioned a lady that was harassing a fella that just got home from the front and when the lady tried to hand him a white feather he got so incensed that he ended up smacking her with his pay book.
Like everything in Downton Abby, this is nuanced. It is easy to agree with Robert’s righteous indignation, but if you were a working class woman forced to part with sons and husbands sent off to war, you might feel handing a white feather to ruling class men who were exempt from such service to be a very restrained protest.
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One thing they left out was how Brits would go around kicking German bred dogs during the war.
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WWI was aweful modern firearms with stuppid tactcs. a war of attrition that messed up Britian so they had no men for WWii
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I like season one, it is a bit like any good soap opera. Or a more realistic version of Jane Austen with more crime and intrigues. The trouble starts when they go into WW I. I have not watched starting at season 2. But well, perhaps some of it is not about WW I and the aftermath. If it keeps on like that, I think I will stop watching any more. I like more or less happy show with happy endings.
The show always ends happy, I definitely recommend watching all the future seasons - the uncomfortable and tense moments only serve to make the happiness more special.
The gripping reality of life and death most of which this present pampered, entitled generation has little knowledge.
I think what you said was very disrespectful. They went to war to fight for the country I call home now and many died but why did they give their lives, well so that future generations their age didn’t have to go war and could be as entitled as they liked. It’s disrespectful because you sound like you want to send another generation off to war. The exact thing that they died to prevent, WW1 and WW2 should’ve been the ward to end all wars after all. Let’s no forget members of “the entitled generation” also fought in more recent wars and died for our freedom, what about them? Entitled too? You may think you are the brave one sitting behind your computer but you are the real disrespectful person in this comments section.
Oh shut the hell up. There are wars still raging today inflicting the same trauma on millions, some of them spanning decades at this point. You show your own priviledge and pamperedness by pretending otherwise in your little white castle. Or do wars and the suffering they cause stop mattering to you when those being affected aren't white Westerners?
Oh please, at least the british have the luck to live on an island.
Lest we forget