You got a like and a subscribe! Someone else keeping it real! I just don't get it!? You can buy a brand new Nautilus for $1699! 61 key, full beast workstation for $1699! This endless crap about analog being better? Complete bull! Once you pump any sound into an effect pedal/effect, what possible difference does it make? There are so many AMAZING synths now under $1000. Heck, under 700.00 A Hyrdasynth Explorer has to be the most creative modern synths out and it's $599!!!! I'm done with Analog lies! I would take a Jupiter XM over most any 4-7k Anaolog 8 voice! It is 100% hype that is pushed by peeps with too much money and nothing else to do with it. Let the CHUMPS keep these crooks in business. We can laugh at them and keep asking, WHY?
@domlom-tl7lj You're right, by making analog synths affordable for all they're stifling the creativity of others! Oh wait, no, that's actually insane. Sorry your little exclusive club got a bit less exclusive lol
@domlom-tl7lj Also, I just have to add that "throughout history, new musical instruments correlated with new music" made me lmao. like everyone stopped making music on their hurdy gurdys because they got bored of it and needed someone to hurry up and invent the piano
I totally understand your frustration my friend. But when I go back in time and look at the Prophet 5 initial release price in 1978, It help me with the frustration ;) In 2018 Sequential publish this article (Manufactured from 1978 to 1984 with an initial price of $3995 (about $15,000 in today’s dollars)
"But when I go back in time and look at the Prophet 5 initial release price in 1978, It help me with the frustration" all the more reason to buy cheap synths. Kids these days don't even care about music from 1978. 😂
A lot of these are made for professionals, and if you are paid to perform music, you are expected to have gear at a certain standard. Next, check out old Italian violins.
Getting paid to perform is one thing but collecting ad revenue money is something entirely different. "you are expected to have gear" no that is not true. YOU expect to have reliable gear but your audience just expects you to be you (at your best of course). Also, synths are electronic and capable of doing much more than a trombone. I can get by with a $100 synth, you can't get by with a $100 trombone. Apples and oranges.
With the PolyBrute12 at 3999, prices on everything else are going to have to get real. I love Oberheim and am serioisly considering the TEO 5, that said the OBX8 is going to have to drop in price. 10k for for a Moog One?...nope. Great video!
Like my name implies, I pride myself on doing music on the cheap. Currently loving the $50 Behringer JT4000. I understand that some people just want to own the most expensive things possible, though, so more power to 'em .
I paid less than 5k for my 2017 Ford Fiesta, with less than 80k on the clock, last year. A lot of companies believe that in order to not look like makers like Behringer, they need to make their pricing, several times what Behringer would. They often claim the quality of components is superior to those used by Behringer, but the difference in supply prices between a plastic shaft encoder, and a metal one, are often not much different. In 2005, I paid 1,999 for my Nord Mod G2 37 key. I sold it 5 years later, for 2,300.
Arturia has to pay for development, logistics, video creators, contributers, promoting, higher quality (bit still China) manufacturing, testing, shipping, before even the first one is sold, then they probably sell them to Sweetwater for $2500-$3000 per unit and Sweetwater makes the rest in profit. Behringer is really only cheap because they are selling a ton of cheap goods where they buy 10000x more components than Arturia would, and also in many cases own the people making the components.
You have absolutely NO idea why Behringer is cheap. They're cheap because they can afford to make synths in their MASSIVE factories from beginning to end. This makes synths cheap. Arturia doesn't have this kind of production power, so their stuff will definitely be more expensive. I'm a Behringer fan but I'm not under some illusion of why Behringer are able to do it cheap. Get real, read more.
It’s funny that the polybrute sold new for 3k now I see them on reverb for 950 and lower same with the matrix brute the resale market is dropping fast and hard it’s crazy so I wouldn’t suggest buying a new synth over 999 right now I’d wait a lil bit the funny thing is that these none of them hold there resale values😅 so it’s not a really good investment the Roland resale value is the worst btw
This. I like to cruise Craigslist for deals. I picked up my MatrixBrute for a song. While the Poly12 would be nice, I'm thinking this is more of an opportunity for a standard PolyBrute6.
Everybody wants things that are cheap, but Pro gear is actually more affordable than ever. A 1983 DX7 was 1999 Retail, so maybe 1799 street price. In 1983 to now dollars that is $5663. The Polybrute 12 is the Arturia's flagship which would have been Yamaha's Affordable Flagship in 1983 so yeah its about $1600 less expensive. We have gotten used to everything being cheap, because housing and cars cost way too much money now, and they want you to buy every synth, effect, sequencer, groovebox, instead of 1-3 quality things a year.
Got my argon 8m module for under 500 dollars. Sounds great. Does polyphonic lfo at audio rates so i can play chords with that modulation. I don't think any other synth does it. Maybe hydrasynth does. My modwave is still my most favorite synth out of all of them. It doesn't do granular or physical modeling but it does most everything else. And it actually is insane how much it does. I've played a third wave. It does have 12 wavetables you can run at once. Modwave has 8 (4 and you blend the mix). But modwave has tons of room to add a lot of presets. I heard groove synthesis made an update for adding sampling to their third wave. That said I'm more than happy with modwave.
super high priced synths made sense in the era of stingy musicians replacing session artists with a one off purchase, but sampling and such has long since taken that job. it's all people either looking for presets to perform with or for sound designing. most synth users are not looking at it as an investment to make money with to justify the price tag. panel components and analog stuff in general are expensive but good synths don't need to cost anywhere near this much, especially when you could just buy a computer for the same or less and make sounds with more flexibility, even with free synths.
Well, I will say this much, the two flagships I ended up with are the x8 and p10, both in desktop. I drew the line there. Been gas free ever since. There are are options of course, take 5, and the teo-5, the 6 voice series, and of course behringers offerings. If you can hear or notice differences that matter to your craft, then choose accordingly. Operative word is matter. I would not bother buying the p10 or x8 if I thought what those two do made little difference in my style. I would either choose the p6 and keep the ob6. Or even just go with behringers p800 and ubxa, or just vst it up. But, I do think once you know the 2-3 synths that will make a difference, buy them or save for them. Or at least that’s my take on high pricing.
@@EchoKraft been dealing with lots of big life issues, will be moving back to Raleigh this summer I think. Otherwise chilling. But yeah, what a crazy time we live in!
I have been looking for a good semi-modular synth, but have also been disappointed by the exorbitant prices of the synths at my local shop. Are there any good models in the 800-1200 price range? looking for as many octaves as possible
What is the point of this video? The Oberheim OB-x was released in 1979 for about $5k, which is about $22k in today's money. Even these flagship synths are relatively affordable compared to the past.
@@jumpingman8160 Yeah I hate paying for stuff that are made by people on a fair wage and who have good working rights! Plus Behringer don't make workstations etc so they can't really compete with all of the products shown. I would rather buy a VST then anything made by Behringer because I care about the way companies treat their staff.
Not really.. they have scale of manufacturing a hundred times over so can build for much much less yet they still change almost half what others do and everything on it is much much inferior in quality.. I'm actually surprised they cost so much.. it shows me that these companies are not getting rich as said as that sounds..
@@wurlinnawurl behringer rules super high quality build and sound. U must have never played one…. Just watched videos and read forums. Buy a wasp 🐝 it will change ur life
@@synthsamuraiproductions I'm not trying to dog on beringer, it is awesome what they are doing.. however little things most might not care about are pretty obvious to me, like the PCB of synth's like the ubxa that are competing with sequential uses much lower quality circuits and they are packed in so small you could never get them off.. sequential gives you a lot of room and only uses good size circuits so you can resolder parts in fairly easy. Things like the plastic shafted cheap pots compared to the Bourne pots sequential uses, or the cheap painted Chinese wood ends compared to walnut or oak. They keybed is questionable, compared to the fatar Italian keybeds.. I'm not saying the beringer is not amazing in is own way, I'm just saying it is built to a price point and sequential don't really cut any corners.. I agree that they are just way too expensive though.. I don't blame them, it cost to build things like that in small batches.. I can't really afford them, i only have one sequential and I couldn't buy it at its price today.
Expensive? What are you even talking about? The original Prophet-5 MSRP'd at $3995 in 1978. It costed _more_ in _1978_ dollars than the current, more reliable and capable models does in 2024. Accounting for inflation the original model is over $19000 in 2024 dollars. Even the simple, affordable Juno-60 would cost over $5000 in current year. And let's not even mention the old halo products, your Jupiter-8s, OB-Xs and Matrix-12s, or CS-80s. The synth market has been absolutely booming for better part of a decade now, pushing prices to a historic low with an immense amount of competition and variety on offer. Not to mention there are price tiers available for just about any budget almost regardless of what type of instrument you're after. Let's not forget that these essentially professional products for people who intend to make money using them, yet it's quite astonishing that the prices have come such a long way that prestige tier instruments are attainable to amateurs and hobbyists. The people who primarily buy the top end products of the range are the same segment it's always been, professionals using them to make a living, except the relative affordability still allows others to take part as well. The fact is that developing and manufacturing products that aren't heavily subsidized is just plain expensive in the west since there isn't the same degree of domestic manufacturing base for components and supply chains due to the erosion of manufacturing industries that started already around the heyday of the analog polysynth. Yet still due to fierce competition the prices have been pushed down to an unprecedented low. The only thing to realize here is that people who realistically should be outside of the market segment these products are for have come to desire them nonetheless, and the market does still cater towards them both in the upper and lower ends of the price ranges. Musicians are being squeezed for every direction and it's harder and harder to make a proper living off of music which is why it can seem difficult to justify such purchases just for the sake of a hobby, but this is not the fault of the synthesizer manufacturers who are demonstrably doing amazing job at keeping their products accessible to a wide audience.
I'm new to your channel. I'll dig a bit in your past video to listen what you are thinking about their gear in general. I'm most interested in their analog sound reproduction.
I like most of Gamechanger’s stuff, but that MotoSynth is sooooo bad … expensive, doesn’t sound great, and you just know it’s gonna be a pita down the track …
I do not think, that 4K is a horrible price for 12 voices analog polyphony. These compare to prices we had to pay back then. The reality is, that synthesizers are much cheaper and available than they were 30-40 years ago!
Cheap synths for the win! 90% of the sound, the build quality is not as good, but if you are in this to make TRACKS like me ... don't waste your money on expensive synths.
I love the comments wait until he finds out about prices of cars. Wait until he finds out the price of real estate. I’m well aware of those prices. I don’t live in a cave I get it but I was right. I could buy a really nice BMW for $63,000, and that’s a good down payment on a house. Why would I buy a synthesizer for that kind of money? Just stating the facts big synthesize companies living off their name and let’s not forget about the bitcoin fame if you notice down at the bottom of the colossus page is a bitcoin ad interesting very interesting.
Why would you get a nice car? Cause it's nice 🤷 These sorts of price brackets are for people who can easily afford the gear and like it. It's for the enthusiasts, and I think it's fine as long as the prices for the affordable gear goes down as well. Ideally we could all have access to all the cool stuff with no problem, but that's just not capitalism and you and I are not the ones that will overthrow it anytime soon.
Marxism just discards everyone in reality, all for the Dialectic right?!?! The Greater GOOD! What a crock! 😂I will gladly take Capitalism any day, possible because unlike you I am not brainwashed.
@@HazeAndersonthats not how socialism or communism works. But anyway, if your only defense of capitalism is "well the alternative is worse", maybe it's a bad system.
You got a like and a subscribe! Someone else keeping it real! I just don't get it!? You can buy a brand new Nautilus for $1699! 61 key, full beast workstation for $1699! This endless crap about analog being better? Complete bull! Once you pump any sound into an effect pedal/effect, what possible difference does it make? There are so many AMAZING synths now under $1000. Heck, under 700.00 A Hyrdasynth Explorer has to be the most creative modern synths out and it's $599!!!! I'm done with Analog lies! I would take a Jupiter XM over most any 4-7k Anaolog 8 voice! It is 100% hype that is pushed by peeps with too much money and nothing else to do with it. Let the CHUMPS keep these crooks in business. We can laugh at them and keep asking, WHY?
Thank God for Behringer.
@domlom-tl7lj Sorry you'd rather it be an exclusive club, but that's not how hobbies grow.
@domlom-tl7lj yeah so what I said
@domlom-tl7lj You're right, by making analog synths affordable for all they're stifling the creativity of others!
Oh wait, no, that's actually insane.
Sorry your little exclusive club got a bit less exclusive lol
@domlom-tl7lj Also, I just have to add that "throughout history, new musical instruments correlated with new music" made me lmao. like everyone stopped making music on their hurdy gurdys because they got bored of it and needed someone to hurry up and invent the piano
U should do a behringer price video now. Its wild
I totally understand your frustration my friend. But when I go back in time and look at the Prophet 5 initial release price in 1978, It help me with the frustration ;) In 2018 Sequential publish this article (Manufactured from 1978 to 1984 with an initial price of $3995 (about $15,000 in today’s dollars)
"But when I go back in time and look at the Prophet 5 initial release price in 1978, It help me with the frustration" all the more reason to buy cheap synths. Kids these days don't even care about music from 1978. 😂
A lot of these are made for professionals, and if you are paid to perform music, you are expected to have gear at a certain standard. Next, check out old Italian violins.
Getting paid to perform is one thing but collecting ad revenue money is something entirely different. "you are expected to have gear" no that is not true. YOU expect to have reliable gear but your audience just expects you to be you (at your best of course). Also, synths are electronic and capable of doing much more than a trombone. I can get by with a $100 synth, you can't get by with a $100 trombone. Apples and oranges.
With the PolyBrute12 at 3999, prices on everything else are going to have to get real. I love Oberheim and am serioisly considering the TEO 5, that said the OBX8 is going to have to drop in price. 10k for for a Moog One?...nope. Great video!
I bought my car for $2600 and it runs great. Buy your cars cheap and your bleep bloop toys with the savings!
Like my name implies, I pride myself on doing music on the cheap. Currently loving the $50 Behringer JT4000. I understand that some people just want to own the most expensive things possible, though, so more power to 'em .
The prices are wild!!!! Awesome show brother
I paid less than 5k for my 2017 Ford Fiesta, with less than 80k on the clock, last year. A lot of companies believe that in order to not look like makers like Behringer, they need to make their pricing, several times what Behringer would. They often claim the quality of components is superior to those used by Behringer, but the difference in supply prices between a plastic shaft encoder, and a metal one, are often not much different. In 2005, I paid 1,999 for my Nord Mod G2 37 key. I sold it 5 years later, for 2,300.
Arturia has to pay for development, logistics, video creators, contributers, promoting, higher quality (bit still China) manufacturing, testing, shipping, before even the first one is sold, then they probably sell them to Sweetwater for $2500-$3000 per unit and Sweetwater makes the rest in profit. Behringer is really only cheap because they are selling a ton of cheap goods where they buy 10000x more components than Arturia would, and also in many cases own the people making the components.
You have absolutely NO idea why Behringer is cheap. They're cheap because they can afford to make synths in their MASSIVE factories from beginning to end. This makes synths cheap. Arturia doesn't have this kind of production power, so their stuff will definitely be more expensive. I'm a Behringer fan but I'm not under some illusion of why Behringer are able to do it cheap. Get real, read more.
i am excited to find out what an expensive synth costs!
It’s funny that the polybrute sold new for 3k now I see them on reverb for 950 and lower same with the matrix brute the resale market is dropping fast and hard it’s crazy so I wouldn’t suggest buying a new synth over 999 right now I’d wait a lil bit the funny thing is that these none of them hold there resale values😅 so it’s not a really good investment the Roland resale value is the worst btw
This. I like to cruise Craigslist for deals. I picked up my MatrixBrute for a song. While the Poly12 would be nice, I'm thinking this is more of an opportunity for a standard PolyBrute6.
Yeah, I would go as far as $2000 but any more than that no sir no way no how
Some people are meant to just buy behringers and download freeware
Wait until he finds out about car prices…
Nevermind rent 😬
@@lawr.his your rent higher than the price of your car?
Preach brother
Everybody wants things that are cheap, but Pro gear is actually more affordable than ever. A 1983 DX7 was 1999 Retail, so maybe 1799 street price. In 1983 to now dollars that is $5663. The Polybrute 12 is the Arturia's flagship which would have been Yamaha's Affordable Flagship in 1983 so yeah its about $1600 less expensive. We have gotten used to everything being cheap, because housing and cars cost way too much money now, and they want you to buy every synth, effect, sequencer, groovebox, instead of 1-3 quality things a year.
and I thought I balled out when i bought my used Novation Peak
lol great vid man. Sad state of affairs. The prices are crazy. Modular / Eurorack is even more infamously expensive.
That 4k synth for us in Canada its 5.5k + 13% tax 😢
Got my argon 8m module for under 500 dollars. Sounds great. Does polyphonic lfo at audio rates so i can play chords with that modulation. I don't think any other synth does it. Maybe hydrasynth does.
My modwave is still my most favorite synth out of all of them. It doesn't do granular or physical modeling but it does most everything else. And it actually is insane how much it does. I've played a third wave. It does have 12 wavetables you can run at once. Modwave has 8 (4 and you blend the mix). But modwave has tons of room to add a lot of presets.
I heard groove synthesis made an update for adding sampling to their third wave. That said I'm more than happy with modwave.
Yeah, absolutely love my mod wave great synthesizer. And yes, groove synthesis did add that feature
super high priced synths made sense in the era of stingy musicians replacing session artists with a one off purchase, but sampling and such has long since taken that job. it's all people either looking for presets to perform with or for sound designing. most synth users are not looking at it as an investment to make money with to justify the price tag.
panel components and analog stuff in general are expensive but good synths don't need to cost anywhere near this much, especially when you could just buy a computer for the same or less and make sounds with more flexibility, even with free synths.
Well, I will say this much, the two flagships I ended up with are the x8 and p10, both in desktop. I drew the line there. Been gas free ever since. There are are options of course, take 5, and the teo-5, the 6 voice series, and of course behringers offerings. If you can hear or notice differences that matter to your craft, then choose accordingly. Operative word is matter. I would not bother buying the p10 or x8 if I thought what those two do made little difference in my style. I would either choose the p6 and keep the ob6. Or even just go with behringers p800 and ubxa, or just vst it up. But, I do think once you know the 2-3 synths that will make a difference, buy them or save for them. Or at least that’s my take on high pricing.
@MrCowfood hey man how you doing?
Nice to hear from you !
@@EchoKraft been dealing with lots of big life issues, will be moving back to Raleigh this summer I think. Otherwise chilling. But yeah, what a crazy time we live in!
@@MrCowfoodhey hope you 👍🏻 ok
I hear I’ve been dealing with a lot of physical issues myself, but I’m hanging in there
is this what the dudes who take dates to cheesecake factory look like?
I have been looking for a good semi-modular synth, but have also been disappointed by the exorbitant prices of the synths at my local shop. Are there any good models in the 800-1200 price range? looking for as many octaves as possible
Yes !
There are some many really good synths out there for that kind of money!
Sounds like you might like the Delta CEP A made by Radikal Technologies out of Germany.
GOBBLESS
Def gotta discuss this next week!! Its sus
it is a good show. lot of nice candy. but be careful with diabetes, those synths are too sweet.
Hi Echo
Hello
@@EchoKraft ... is it me you're looking foooooor?
What is the point of this video? The Oberheim OB-x was released in 1979 for about $5k, which is about $22k in today's money. Even these flagship synths are relatively affordable compared to the past.
wait until he finds out about real estate search engines...
Uli will school 'em
Hydrasynth + Strymon Deco = you are sorted for 90% of your sound design needs. Icarus3 or Dune3 can do the rest.
Ridiculous, isn't it? The sad part is there are always some schmucks that will buy them.
Uli Behringer Pulled up the whole curtain on the industry. Proved all the other companies were rippin off their customers
One of the reasons I will never buy Moog, Oberheim, Sequential, et al. Overpriced for bragging rights.
@@jumpingman8160 Yeah I hate paying for stuff that are made by people on a fair wage and who have good working rights! Plus Behringer don't make workstations etc so they can't really compete with all of the products shown. I would rather buy a VST then anything made by Behringer because I care about the way companies treat their staff.
Not really.. they have scale of manufacturing a hundred times over so can build for much much less yet they still change almost half what others do and everything on it is much much inferior in quality.. I'm actually surprised they cost so much.. it shows me that these companies are not getting rich as said as that sounds..
@@wurlinnawurl behringer rules super high quality build and sound. U must have never played one…. Just watched videos and read forums. Buy a wasp 🐝 it will change ur life
@@synthsamuraiproductions I'm not trying to dog on beringer, it is awesome what they are doing.. however little things most might not care about are pretty obvious to me, like the PCB of synth's like the ubxa that are competing with sequential uses much lower quality circuits and they are packed in so small you could never get them off.. sequential gives you a lot of room and only uses good size circuits so you can resolder parts in fairly easy. Things like the plastic shafted cheap pots compared to the Bourne pots sequential uses, or the cheap painted Chinese wood ends compared to walnut or oak. They keybed is questionable, compared to the fatar Italian keybeds.. I'm not saying the beringer is not amazing in is own way, I'm just saying it is built to a price point and sequential don't really cut any corners.. I agree that they are just way too expensive though.. I don't blame them, it cost to build things like that in small batches.. I can't really afford them, i only have one sequential and I couldn't buy it at its price today.
There is no such thing as an overly expensive synth 😉😅
Expensive? What are you even talking about? The original Prophet-5 MSRP'd at $3995 in 1978. It costed _more_ in _1978_ dollars than the current, more reliable and capable models does in 2024. Accounting for inflation the original model is over $19000 in 2024 dollars. Even the simple, affordable Juno-60 would cost over $5000 in current year. And let's not even mention the old halo products, your Jupiter-8s, OB-Xs and Matrix-12s, or CS-80s.
The synth market has been absolutely booming for better part of a decade now, pushing prices to a historic low with an immense amount of competition and variety on offer. Not to mention there are price tiers available for just about any budget almost regardless of what type of instrument you're after. Let's not forget that these essentially professional products for people who intend to make money using them, yet it's quite astonishing that the prices have come such a long way that prestige tier instruments are attainable to amateurs and hobbyists. The people who primarily buy the top end products of the range are the same segment it's always been, professionals using them to make a living, except the relative affordability still allows others to take part as well.
The fact is that developing and manufacturing products that aren't heavily subsidized is just plain expensive in the west since there isn't the same degree of domestic manufacturing base for components and supply chains due to the erosion of manufacturing industries that started already around the heyday of the analog polysynth. Yet still due to fierce competition the prices have been pushed down to an unprecedented low. The only thing to realize here is that people who realistically should be outside of the market segment these products are for have come to desire them nonetheless, and the market does still cater towards them both in the upper and lower ends of the price ranges. Musicians are being squeezed for every direction and it's harder and harder to make a proper living off of music which is why it can seem difficult to justify such purchases just for the sake of a hobby, but this is not the fault of the synthesizer manufacturers who are demonstrably doing amazing job at keeping their products accessible to a wide audience.
Thank you for adding to the discussion. Your points are well taken.
I'd never even consider anything over $1500. Most of my new hardware synths are Behringer for that reason.
I'm new to your channel. I'll dig a bit in your past video to listen what you are thinking about their gear in general. I'm most interested in their analog sound reproduction.
I like most of Gamechanger’s stuff, but that MotoSynth is sooooo bad … expensive, doesn’t sound great, and you just know it’s gonna be a pita down the track …
I do not think, that 4K is a horrible price for 12 voices analog polyphony. These compare to prices we had to pay back then. The reality is, that synthesizers are much cheaper and available than they were 30-40 years ago!
"I do not think, that 4K is a horrible price ..." then you can buy for the rest of us 😂(It's so easy to say things when it is not YOUR wallet.)
Buchla Easel, 4k cdn!!!
Cheap synths for the win! 90% of the sound, the build quality is not as good, but if you are in this to make TRACKS like me ... don't waste your money on expensive synths.
Or get 1 really decent work horse and be done.
I love the comments wait until he finds out about prices of cars. Wait until he finds out the price of real estate. I’m well aware of those prices. I don’t live in a cave I get it but I was right. I could buy a really nice BMW for $63,000, and that’s a good down payment on a house. Why would I buy a synthesizer for that kind of money?
Just stating the facts big synthesize companies living off their name and let’s not forget about the bitcoin fame if you notice down at the bottom of the colossus page is a bitcoin ad interesting very interesting.
what kind of house you getting for a $60k downpayment?
1 bed 1 bath 1 hour commute?
Why would you get a nice car?
Cause it's nice 🤷
These sorts of price brackets are for people who can easily afford the gear and like it. It's for the enthusiasts, and I think it's fine as long as the prices for the affordable gear goes down as well.
Ideally we could all have access to all the cool stuff with no problem, but that's just not capitalism and you and I are not the ones that will overthrow it anytime soon.
Polyphony is overrated
inflation => bidenomics
its a stupid video. comparing pro touring gear all the way down to plugins. and yes there are some overpriced ones too.
That's capitalism for you, never good on paper or in reality.
Marxism just discards everyone in reality, all for the Dialectic right?!?! The Greater GOOD! What a crock! 😂I will gladly take Capitalism any day, possible because unlike you I am not brainwashed.
@@HazeAndersonthats not how socialism or communism works. But anyway, if your only defense of capitalism is "well the alternative is worse", maybe it's a bad system.