I've had a garage for 30 years, I remember rep's from oil and addative companies used to come around with see through perspex gearboxes you could turn by hand and demonstrate how much better their product clinged to the gears whilst turning etc, they became very reluctant to empty these demo box's and let me fill them with oil from my workshop...
Notice how at the start of the video they said they blended oil to have the viscosity of their new synthetic oil and compared it to mineral oil. Basically they're not demonstrating their new oil at all just a mixture of better ones
@@fred5191 It was a demonstration of how the fluid's viscosity would behave at cold temperatures without having to chill the whole apparatus. The oils weight is it's viscosity at operating temperature, in other words the two different oils should have the same viscosity at operating temperature. The gearbox or engine manufacture determines what weight to put in it by calculations with a fluid at that expected viscosity. One of the benefits of synthetic fluid is that the viscosity is much more stable over a wider range of temperature, which means the cold synthetic is much closer to operating viscosity than the cold conventional or conventional thickens up more with the same drop in temperature. What they are claiming is that they measured their synthetic fluid viscosity at cold temps and measured conventional viscosity at cold temps. Then they mixed the demo fluids to match those measured viscosities.
A good synthetic oil is worthwhile, especially if the gearbox type is known for problems. I had various Rovers with the R65 gearbox for hillclimbs and sprints and went through probably 4 or 5 gearboxes. Never had a single problem after I changed to synthetic oil
@@ThisIsGoogle learn to drive? The R65 gearbox was notorious for self destructing. Especially if the engine it was attached to was tuned... So yeah nothing to do with learning to drive "guy"
@@ThisIsGoogle what are you trolling about. I am a racedriver. If you could read you would see the words hillclimb and sprint in my initial post. Dickhead.
The mineral type oil takes longer to fully lube-up but would that extra second of slow speed start-up engagement actually wear the gear a significant amount? I doubt it would make a difference to the life of the box. Sure if this low-lube situation remained all the time then yes there would be noticeable wear.
So they are comparing a 5w-30 oil with a SAE 30... that's like comparing oranges to apples. If they wanna show "the benefits of synthetic oil" at least show 2 oils with the same viscosity.
You do know that the W in 5W does not imply Weight it means Winter and its more viscous as shown in the temp test, Both are grade 30 and from what I seen in the coverage of lubrication. rather would go with Shell Spirax instead of mineral.
Joshua Cornell It's still comparing apples to oranges. Yes, the viscosity after the oil has warmed up might be "similar" but a 5-30 is NOT the same as a straight 30 when hot. Not even close. The 30 is way more stable and has different properties, but it's much heavier when "cold".
Yeah I get the comparison but in terms of coating evenly I prefer the Spirax, currently watching the Cool Running video of the higher grades As for the Mineral with its lack of coverage at points will lead to gear failure due to stripping or seizing. But I do agree with you they are not using a single 30 with the Spirax.
I'm not saying it's bad or not to use it, actually I use spirax on my Xterra too (rear and front diff, and gearbox and transfer case), I like the oil. Was just stating that they should have used an equivalent oil in the test.
Nice to know you're using it and yeah I am wondering the similarities if both were 30 and the Spirax not being a 5W grade in addition. I did enjoy they made this clear gearbox to show the difference in viscosity and lubrication. Having watched the heat difference video also helps to show the difference in two different grades of the same product. Any leaking issues as another comment says will happen with "thinner" grades? I myself know nothing is 100% Perfect in every way and even thick oils leak out due to a bad or failed seal.
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This film shows: 1 you put more spirax than other oils 2 spirax is waterlike and perhaps provides less protection on high temperature or loads, considering gear tooth are drained almost immediately after leaving oil pan.
Very nice unbaised comparison!! You are comparing a synthtic gear oil (over 90% of trans oils in market are synthetic) with a very rare hard to find mineral gear oil.
It was a demonstration of how the fluid's viscosity would behave at cold temperatures without having to chill the whole apparatus. The oils weight is it's viscosity at operating temperature, in other words the two different oils should have the same viscosity at operating temperature. The gearbox or engine manufacture determines what weight to put in it by calculations with a fluid at that expected viscosity. One of the benefits of synthetic fluid is that the viscosity is much more stable over a wider range of temperature, which means the cold synthetic is much closer to operating viscosity than the cold conventional. Conventional thickens up more than synthetic with the same drop in temperature. What they are claiming is that they measured their synthetic fluid viscosity at cold temps and measured conventional viscosity at cold temps. Then they mixed the demo fluids to match those measured viscosities at room temp.
You guys need to do full plant inspections on all of Dilmar Oil's plants. Their regional manager has them doing some low down dirty stuff with their Shell products, the latest being taking Formula Shell 10-30, combining it with Motorcraft Super Duty 10-30 and trying to pass it off as T5 Rotella 10-30.
For transmissions always use the original oil. This applies especially to VWs, yes it is around 20$/L and a MK3 Golf gearbox has around 3.5L of oil capacity so it's 80$ every 60k miles, I don't think it's that much, another gearbox is more expensive than using good oil.
Saving money on oil is _never_ worth it. The difference between crappy mineral oil and full synthethic high performance oils like Motul or Castrol Edge is embarassingly small, like 30-40€ per oil change which is every 30,000km. Oil is literally the only thing stopping your engine from eating itself, anyone who goes for the crappy stuff is an idiot. Edit: also, oil filters are super cheap as well. I change the filter every time I change the oil.
@@demoniack81 correct, I change mine every year since I do like 5000 miles max per year. I only use Liqui Moli 10w40 special for old engine with molibden, it makes it run so smooth and it consumes 50-100ml between changes. For a 30yo 165000 mile small engine I guess it's ok
If my truck has been running fine for a million miles on regular old gearbox lube, then I'd say the difference is so minute it is practically immeasurable.
It doesn't matter if gearbox oil is syntetic or not. What they show is just difference in viscocity. Thicker oil stays on theeth much longer and thats why after couple of revs its missing unde the sprocket. I wonder how it looks under higher RPM. My guess is that mineral oil will flow through inner wall as one uniform stream and syntetic will just splash all over
It was a demonstration of how the fluid's viscosity would behave at cold temperatures without having to chill the whole apparatus. The oils weight is it's viscosity at operating temperature, in other words the two different oils should have the same viscosity at operating temperature. The gearbox or engine manufacture determines what weight to put in it by calculations with a fluid at that expected viscosity. One of the benefits of synthetic fluid is that the viscosity is much more stable over a wider range of temperature, which means the cold synthetic is much closer to operating viscosity than the cold conventional or conventional thickens up more with the same drop in temperature. What they are claiming is that they measured their synthetic fluid viscosity at cold temps and measured conventional viscosity at cold temps. Then they mixed the demo fluids to match those measured viscosities.
1)What's the guereettee they are actually using their own product and the other product is actually some decent alternative and not cheap junk oil? 2) as someone pointed out, the larger gear might not be covered entirely but the smaller gear is, which is adequate. 3) will one or two seconds of delay cause any significant difference? Are there any citations on this?
MoparMadness they only call it a gear box. A transfer case is a gear box. Any housing the holds multiple gears is a gear box whether that system can change ratios or not
Pause @ 2:10 mineral oils quantity is lower than synthetic oil. Shell thought mechanics wont see this video. I agree synthetic is better than mineral or semi synthetic oils.
Liquid friction robs power and just cuz it clings doesnt mean its not causing stress at thrust bearing surfaces. Different fluids work at different temps, some better then others. Use what works for situation.
Now repeat the test with the Spirax at a more realistic winter startup temperature of -30C and let's see how it does. I'm not saying anything, it's just that -10C is at the mild end of winter temperatures in my part of the world.
Tad Meister How old is the truck? Conventional oils work just fine (under optimum conditions) for older vehicles. Newer vehicles are designed with tight tolerances so a fully synthetic lubricants are a must.
+Ibraheem Al hadede Tighter tolerances? No, not neccessarily. Tighter torelance, most of the time does not equal to = quality. At the highest precision level, it becomes = higher cost. Case in point. Previously in the roughness specification of machined surfaces (of bearing surfaces), people used Rz or Rmax as the absolute control paramater & the general consensus the lower (tighter) you go, the better it would be. Not anymore. Nowadays people use Ra (Roughness average) from a set of peak & valley points, & even then, you have to take out the deepest valley from the calculation as, a deeper valley means a good pocket of oil storage (of course, deep valley is not good in the glass/ceramic product segment). The same goes for tolerancing. You are not going for tighter tolerance nowadays. We are going for better profile/form/surfaces/fitting control (GD&T)
i just saw this but too late since i already switched to shell advance waaayyy back 2009 for my moped. i noticed that engine.is smoother and start easily on cold weather when using shell advance. thanks shell.
The music is something you would listen in the final episode of an anime where the protagonist finally gets redemption after suffering through the whole series but end in a high note with a happy ending 🤣
Моя первая volvo 940 проехала 700 000km. С оригинальной коробкой. В которую заливалось минеральное масло. Технический прогресс необходим. Масла с высокими характеристиками нужны. Но говорить, что механизмы не могут без них жить - ЛОЖЬ! Могут, только мы об этом забыли))
Milind S. Vashist thats a transfer case if it was a transmission they would have show a manuel and automatic and they forgot about the planetary gear set
The synthetic oil uses smart technology to self adjust fluid level. This is done by using thermal energy and CO2 from the air to create extra molecules to correct fluid level.
Figured I would check this. Yellow is shown at 0:37 and compared to green at 2:09. Green is shown at 1:09 and compared to yellow at 2:09. Red is shown at 2:26 and does not have a side by side comparison. That said before motion all oil levels are sitting at the same level, just under the black circle of the large gear. During operation the levels are different as the oil viscosity results in more being in the gear teeth, at which point during motion the red oil does have more sitting in the reservoir.
We've found that without a tall package of anti foaming additives the oils will trap excessive amounts of heat into itself when cavitation is taking place. Gear sets will turn blue due to metal to metal contact due to insufficient anti foaming capability.
Your gearbox will outlast your car engine! So don't bother unless heavily modified. Go with company recommendations. Give attention to clutch & brake pads etc.
Poonacha Kp you must drive the shittiest car on the planet then lmao. 860k on my engine and she's still perfectly fine (yes I've taken her apart to check on her) still good. Also running 15lbs of boost
Operating temps is were it's at start up is usually irrelevant. My trans won't hardly shift out of first or second when it's -10 out but will shift like a dream once it's warmed up. Use the oil recommended by the transmission manufacturer. If it says uses conventional then use it don't switch because you think it will last longer unless that is backed up with actual evidence. The only thing that matters at start up is the temp and how thin or thick your oil is to begin with. Synthetic isn't a miracle worker it's not going to lube anything faster it's just going to cost a bit more for the pleasure.
the mineral oil demo shows you need more of that oil in the gearbox because of how thick it is it cant run back into the sump to be picked up again. sometimes thicker isnt better and sometimes thinner isnt better. it depends on the enviroment. i bet that light weight synthetic wouldnt last in the desert.
I wonder if She'll can create a strong cvt oil that keep it from dying and solve shuttering and other issues associated with CVTs. I'd like to pay oil changes and maintenance over 6k whole replacement.
CVT's are a classic example of contradicting needs, you need friction for the drive belt to drive the drums, but you don't want friction every where else in the transmission. Conventional autos had a similar problem, but at least they had large clutch areas that could bite through the oil.
@@raygale4198 They could have separated the belt section and the gearing/clutch section. Plenty of other gearboxes do this, including many compact automatics which used ATF in the gearbox section, but the combined final drive (diff) used gear oil. Blame the engineers who thought little about the contradicting needs and though about the pennies saved. "bah, it will only be a problem in 80k, by then its out of warranty"
Patently false, just because it doesn't pull a torrent doesn't mean you don't have lubricant coating the teeth. You don't need a ton to have film strength and you're likely losing power pulling so much mass around with the gear.
Yes its called parasitic drag. This is Microblue.com works so well. It places a ultra thin layer of anti friction material on the surface. As in reference to a gear box. The friction between teeth are very low if the load applied is light and the "gear backlash" is at a proper amount. They ONLY need for thick oil film is when the GEAR LOADING is AT or NEAR its maximum designed strength. I have studied this with rear differentials. If I use a low friction oil/oil supplement. I observed little benefits at light load conditions. But once I applied high load (pulling a hill at low speed) it increased my ground speed significantly.
even with an uneven film, when the gears rotate they squeeze out the excess oil and it rides on the contact point and eventually feeds through the teeth anyways, so "uneven" lubrication, at least on the teeth is not as big of a deal in real life compared to how this video makes it seem
No it's not a big deal on the teeth of the gear to go with out for a couple of seconds. What matters more in a transmission is the bearings on the sides supporting the gear shafts are they getting oil? In the cold here in MN, mineral oil won't flow for a long time down the sides of the gear & into bearings where it's Really needed.
This vid is 8 years old, is there not newer tech in the lubrication industry? And to be fair to the traditionally oils and transmission fluids, they work and have worked for 100 years if used as intended.
They blended an oil to give it the same viscosity as their oil then compared it to mineral oil? So... neither one was the real world product Basically they created two liquids to demonstrate the point they wanted to make
I've had a garage for 30 years, I remember rep's from oil and addative companies used to come around with see through perspex gearboxes you could turn by hand and demonstrate how much better their product clinged to the gears whilst turning etc, they became very reluctant to empty these demo box's and let me fill them with oil from my workshop...
Notice how at the start of the video they said they blended oil to have the viscosity of their new synthetic oil and compared it to mineral oil. Basically they're not demonstrating their new oil at all just a mixture of better ones
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo.
@@railgap Wrong.
@@fred5191 It was a demonstration of how the fluid's viscosity would behave at cold temperatures without having to chill the whole apparatus. The oils weight is it's viscosity at operating temperature, in other words the two different oils should have the same viscosity at operating temperature. The gearbox or engine manufacture determines what weight to put in it by calculations with a fluid at that expected viscosity. One of the benefits of synthetic fluid is that the viscosity is much more stable over a wider range of temperature, which means the cold synthetic is much closer to operating viscosity than the cold conventional or conventional thickens up more with the same drop in temperature. What they are claiming is that they measured their synthetic fluid viscosity at cold temps and measured conventional viscosity at cold temps. Then they mixed the demo fluids to match those measured viscosities.
A good synthetic oil is worthwhile, especially if the gearbox type is known for problems. I had various Rovers with the R65 gearbox for hillclimbs and sprints and went through probably 4 or 5 gearboxes. Never had a single problem after I changed to synthetic oil
Learn to drive guy
@@ThisIsGoogle learn to drive? The R65 gearbox was notorious for self destructing. Especially if the engine it was attached to was tuned... So yeah nothing to do with learning to drive "guy"
@@TheBlaert Whatever you say bud. Keep racking up those miles to work, one day you will be a racedriver.
@@ThisIsGoogle what are you trolling about. I am a racedriver. If you could read you would see the words hillclimb and sprint in my initial post. Dickhead.
@@TheBlaert 🤣🤣that dickhead tho, after all those polite statements, lmfao. Anyways, leave him dude, he's a troll
This music is pretty intense for what’s. Going on 😅
That period is pretty intense punctuation for the middle. Of a sentence.
😂
It is very great
Marketing strategy, mate. Marketing strategy. 😂👍🏼
Yes! Anybody know the title of the music? I would like to listen it in my car :D
The large gear might not have had a full film build, but the smaller one was definitely completely covered and would have lubed up everything fine
Glad you saw that too!
The mineral type oil takes longer to fully lube-up but would that extra second of slow speed start-up engagement actually wear the gear a significant amount? I doubt it would make a difference to the life of the box. Sure if this low-lube situation remained all the time then yes there would be noticeable wear.
Well when one side is dry and the other is lubed, it will still cause premature wear.
See you guys in another 8 years in UA-cam recommendations 🤣💩
@@Sandwich420 one dry gear meshing with a fully lined gear would be considered lubricated.
So they are comparing a 5w-30 oil with a SAE 30... that's like comparing oranges to apples. If they wanna show "the benefits of synthetic oil" at least show 2 oils with the same viscosity.
You do know that the W in 5W does not imply Weight it means Winter and its more viscous as shown in the temp test, Both are grade 30 and from what I seen in the coverage of lubrication. rather would go with Shell Spirax instead of mineral.
Joshua Cornell It's still comparing apples to oranges. Yes, the viscosity after the oil has warmed up might be "similar" but a 5-30 is NOT the same as a straight 30 when hot. Not even close. The 30 is way more stable and has different properties, but it's much heavier when "cold".
Yeah I get the comparison but in terms of coating evenly I prefer the Spirax, currently watching the Cool Running video of the higher grades As for the Mineral with its lack of coverage at points will lead to gear failure due to stripping or seizing. But I do agree with you they are not using a single 30 with the Spirax.
I'm not saying it's bad or not to use it, actually I use spirax on my Xterra too (rear and front diff, and gearbox and transfer case), I like the oil. Was just stating that they should have used an equivalent oil in the test.
Nice to know you're using it and yeah I am wondering the similarities if both were 30 and the Spirax not being a 5W grade in addition. I did enjoy they made this clear gearbox to show the difference in viscosity and lubrication. Having watched the heat difference video also helps to show the difference in two different grades of the same product.
Any leaking issues as another comment says will happen with "thinner" grades? I myself know nothing is 100% Perfect in every way and even thick oils leak out due to a bad or failed seal.
I'll probably never buy this product but it's always nice seeing these mechanical infromative videos.
why you will never buy?? they are claiming as a best product. so why ??
@@tteuvkybecause she cannot use it.
We watched a 3-minute ad from Shell, voluntarily 😂
i love it when they say 'typical' like every oil is the same, and all oils are compared to 'typical'... i would like 3 liters of typical, please
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This film shows:
1 you put more spirax than other oils
2 spirax is waterlike and perhaps provides less protection on high temperature or loads, considering gear tooth are drained almost immediately after leaving oil pan.
Very nice unbaised comparison!!
You are comparing a synthtic gear oil (over 90% of trans oils in market are synthetic) with a very rare hard to find mineral gear oil.
80w90 are normally mineral (Heavily use in my country)... 75w90 or 75w80 are normally synthetic...
No it's not i still easyly find the mineral one, even they still faint greenny colored and thick like crude oil
@@FEGTTTSDH agreed
It was a demonstration of how the fluid's viscosity would behave at cold temperatures without having to chill the whole apparatus. The oils weight is it's viscosity at operating temperature, in other words the two different oils should have the same viscosity at operating temperature. The gearbox or engine manufacture determines what weight to put in it by calculations with a fluid at that expected viscosity. One of the benefits of synthetic fluid is that the viscosity is much more stable over a wider range of temperature, which means the cold synthetic is much closer to operating viscosity than the cold conventional. Conventional thickens up more than synthetic with the same drop in temperature. What they are claiming is that they measured their synthetic fluid viscosity at cold temps and measured conventional viscosity at cold temps. Then they mixed the demo fluids to match those measured viscosities at room temp.
I don't now why I came here but this is so satisfying to watch
You guys need to do full plant inspections on all of Dilmar Oil's plants. Their regional manager has them doing some low down dirty stuff with their Shell products, the latest being taking Formula Shell 10-30, combining it with Motorcraft Super Duty 10-30 and trying to pass it off as T5 Rotella 10-30.
Propably write them an e-mail not commenting this on YT
For transmissions always use the original oil. This applies especially to VWs, yes it is around 20$/L and a MK3 Golf gearbox has around 3.5L of oil capacity so it's 80$ every 60k miles, I don't think it's that much, another gearbox is more expensive than using good oil.
Saving money on oil is _never_ worth it. The difference between crappy mineral oil and full synthethic high performance oils like Motul or Castrol Edge is embarassingly small, like 30-40€ per oil change which is every 30,000km.
Oil is literally the only thing stopping your engine from eating itself, anyone who goes for the crappy stuff is an idiot.
Edit: also, oil filters are super cheap as well. I change the filter every time I change the oil.
@@demoniack81 correct, I change mine every year since I do like 5000 miles max per year. I only use Liqui Moli 10w40 special for old engine with molibden, it makes it run so smooth and it consumes 50-100ml between changes. For a 30yo 165000 mile small engine I guess it's ok
This is why i never bought German cars, the maintenance cost is too high..😅
@@Blue-yp5mz it's only a 1.4 liter 980kg econobox.... Parts are ultra cheap in EU and I work on it myself, it's super cheap in the long run
If my truck has been running fine for a million miles on regular old gearbox lube, then I'd say the difference is so minute it is practically immeasurable.
I don't know I'm watching this. but my brain told me this is satisfying:)
🤣🤣same
Yes but we dont know at high rpm so we dont know whic one the best for our ride
It doesn't matter if gearbox oil is syntetic or not. What they show is just difference in viscocity. Thicker oil stays on theeth much longer and thats why after couple of revs its missing unde the sprocket. I wonder how it looks under higher RPM. My guess is that mineral oil will flow through inner wall as one uniform stream and syntetic will just splash all over
It was a demonstration of how the fluid's viscosity would behave at cold temperatures without having to chill the whole apparatus. The oils weight is it's viscosity at operating temperature, in other words the two different oils should have the same viscosity at operating temperature. The gearbox or engine manufacture determines what weight to put in it by calculations with a fluid at that expected viscosity. One of the benefits of synthetic fluid is that the viscosity is much more stable over a wider range of temperature, which means the cold synthetic is much closer to operating viscosity than the cold conventional or conventional thickens up more with the same drop in temperature. What they are claiming is that they measured their synthetic fluid viscosity at cold temps and measured conventional viscosity at cold temps. Then they mixed the demo fluids to match those measured viscosities.
SAE 5W-30 and SAE 30 have big difference so its obvious even without any video which is much thicker and atf usually have lesser viscosity
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Shell, gear box full synthetic transmission. Fluid. The best
1)What's the guereettee they are actually using their own product and the other product is actually some decent alternative and not cheap junk oil?
2) as someone pointed out, the larger gear might not be covered entirely but the smaller gear is, which is adequate.
3) will one or two seconds of delay cause any significant difference? Are there any citations on this?
am I the only one who realizes this is a transfer case not transmission like the title says?
MoparMadness they only call it a gear box. A transfer case is a gear box. Any housing the holds multiple gears is a gear box whether that system can change ratios or not
nope
A transmission just doesn’t lend itself as easily to all those pretty visuals they showed us
No it is a motorcycle gearbox look carefully and the cylinder is on the vertical front....that large gear hides the clutch mechanism.
"Trans"fer
Pause @ 2:10 mineral oils quantity is lower than synthetic oil. Shell thought mechanics wont see this video. I agree synthetic is better than mineral or semi synthetic oils.
Reminds me of the Lucas display at the parts store.
I guess if you payed for the translucent box, then you can compare 5w-30 with Weston chicken frying oil at -10 Celcius.
I've just successful protected my project regarding gearbox yesterday.😊
Shell thank you for explaining this! I've always wanted to know!
I like the guy's voice, not all shouty and over excited like people in these sorts of videos often are. Interesting comparison too.
UA-cam is recommending this after 8 years
I use whale oil in all my automatic transmission equipped vehicles.
Makes for a smooth shift every time !
And panda fat for chassis grease.
And literal elbow grease
Have you tried snake oil? It works great too!
Dexron 3 used whale oil in it. That’s not a joke lol
@@mikepekala832
I think they all did back in the 50s.
Whales were cheap and plentiful back then.
that background music has no right to be that awesome
Me: “hmmmm I should probably change my 12 year old gear oil”
Liquid friction robs power and just cuz it clings doesnt mean its not causing stress at thrust bearing surfaces. Different fluids work at different temps, some better then others. Use what works for situation.
I need that clear gear box on my car!!!
In high rpm the box would explode
UA-cam algorithm had brought us together again
Interesting choice of colors for the example…
Now repeat the test with the Spirax at a more realistic winter startup temperature of -30C and let's see how it does. I'm not saying anything, it's just that -10C is at the mild end of winter temperatures in my part of the world.
Can i use this video for educational purpose on youtube???
A good presentation is everything! 😉
8 year old conventional was working fine in WY at -40 in toyota truck.
Tad Meister How old is the truck? Conventional oils work just fine (under optimum conditions) for older vehicles. Newer vehicles are designed with tight tolerances so a fully synthetic lubricants are a must.
+Ibraheem Al hadede Tighter tolerances? No, not neccessarily.
Tighter torelance, most of the time does not equal to = quality. At the highest precision level, it becomes = higher cost.
Case in point. Previously in the roughness specification of machined surfaces (of bearing surfaces), people used Rz or Rmax as the absolute control paramater & the general consensus the lower (tighter) you go, the better it would be.
Not anymore. Nowadays people use Ra (Roughness average) from a set of peak & valley points, & even then, you have to take out the deepest valley from the calculation as, a deeper valley means a good pocket of oil storage (of course, deep valley is not good in the glass/ceramic product segment).
The same goes for tolerancing. You are not going for tighter tolerance nowadays. We are going for better profile/form/surfaces/fitting control (GD&T)
i just saw this but too late since i already switched to shell advance waaayyy back 2009 for my moped. i noticed that engine.is smoother and start easily on cold weather when using shell advance. thanks shell.
I live in Tropic, so this is not a problem.
The music is something you would listen in the final episode of an anime where the protagonist finally gets redemption after suffering through the whole series but end in a high note with a happy ending 🤣
How about in higher rpm? i mean the centrifugal force would throw the oil away from the gears, wouldn't it?
Yes i dont see high rpm 🤣so we dont know when it goes at high rpm!
Моя первая volvo 940 проехала 700 000km. С оригинальной коробкой. В которую заливалось минеральное масло. Технический прогресс необходим. Масла с высокими характеристиками нужны. Но говорить, что механизмы не могут без них жить - ЛОЖЬ! Могут, только мы об этом забыли))
Масло за 700к не менялось?! Оо
@@alexoikosyach9737 доливалось последние 200 тыс. Можно сказать менялось естественным образом. Чтобы до этого, я не знаю
В видосе деликатно умалчивают, что более густая жижа на холодную даёт большую защиту и лучше липнет к металлу.
@@Zhalimov Липнет?)) Сколько диванных экспертов, просто жесть.
А ниче, что главную роль играет насос? И твой гуталин будет ползти как 🐌
@@powermanus1 если промолчать, за умного прокатишь😉
Thanks for uploading. I wanted to see a gear box in action with oil.
Milind S. Vashist thats a transfer case if it was a transmission they would have show a manuel and automatic and they forgot about the planetary gear set
Did anyone notice that the red oil gearbox had more oil in it than the other two
The synthetic oil uses smart technology to self adjust fluid level. This is done by using thermal energy and CO2 from the air to create extra molecules to correct fluid level.
Yes, and notice at 2:36 the large gear looked dry on top, like in the mineral oil test.
Figured I would check this.
Yellow is shown at 0:37 and compared to green at 2:09.
Green is shown at 1:09 and compared to yellow at 2:09.
Red is shown at 2:26 and does not have a side by side comparison.
That said before motion all oil levels are sitting at the same level, just under the black circle of the large gear.
During operation the levels are different as the oil viscosity results in more being in the gear teeth, at which point during motion the red oil does have more sitting in the reservoir.
@@mikepekala832 Could you explain this more? What is the smart technology?
@@morphbal1234 Sarcasm 😛
We've found that without a tall package of anti foaming additives the oils will trap excessive amounts of heat into itself when cavitation is taking place. Gear sets will turn blue due to metal to metal contact due to insufficient anti foaming capability.
Why didnt you show the close up of the red synthetic oil?
Was about to ask the same thing.
I think 'cause the biggest gear seems not to have a sufficient layer of oil on her teeth.
Why Shell Don't manufacture fully synthetic oil in 10w-30 grade?
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I'm surprised there's no ads on advertisement video
I think it depends on the speed since the thick is going slow it doesn't fill the gap properly and the faster the the thin oil goes les gaps filled.
Always use your manufacturers recommended transmission fluid.
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I've always use Shell V-Power oil , awesome...!!!!
Wow. Quality inspection is realy nessesary. Thank you.
Your gearbox will outlast your car engine! So don't bother unless heavily modified. Go with company recommendations. Give attention to clutch & brake pads etc.
Poonacha Kp you must drive the shittiest car on the planet then lmao. 860k on my engine and she's still perfectly fine (yes I've taken her apart to check on her) still good. Also running 15lbs of boost
AKS I think Nissan use ExxonMobil for both engine and transmission, but i wrong
金3 A.M. that's incredible
金3 A.M. total b.s.
Just wish Shell could sponsor me 🤣I use their oils in all my vehicles and customers vehicles
Operating temps is were it's at start up is usually irrelevant. My trans won't hardly shift out of first or second when it's -10 out but will shift like a dream once it's warmed up. Use the oil recommended by the transmission manufacturer. If it says uses conventional then use it don't switch because you think it will last longer unless that is backed up with actual evidence. The only thing that matters at start up is the temp and how thin or thick your oil is to begin with. Synthetic isn't a miracle worker it's not going to lube anything faster it's just going to cost a bit more for the pleasure.
the mineral oil demo shows you need more of that oil in the gearbox because of how thick it is it cant run back into the sump to be picked up again. sometimes thicker isnt better and sometimes thinner isnt better. it depends on the enviroment. i bet that light weight synthetic wouldnt last in the desert.
Hey Shell, why did most of your Colorado gas stations all the sudden become Circle K's with unknown gasoline?
WHat an amazing demo video.... need more of this... they should also show some old oils as well so we can expect what might happen
I wonder if She'll can create a strong cvt oil that keep it from dying and solve shuttering and other issues associated with CVTs. I'd like to pay oil changes and maintenance over 6k whole replacement.
CVT's are a classic example of contradicting needs, you need friction for the drive belt to drive the drums, but you don't want friction every where else in the transmission. Conventional autos had a similar problem, but at least they had large clutch areas that could bite through the oil.
@@raygale4198 They could have separated the belt section and the gearing/clutch section.
Plenty of other gearboxes do this, including many compact automatics which used ATF in the gearbox section, but the combined final drive (diff) used gear oil.
Blame the engineers who thought little about the contradicting needs and though about the pennies saved. "bah, it will only be a problem in 80k, by then its out of warranty"
MIsleading, why not use the same viscus oil?
Music sounds like a redemption arc in an anime
No high rpm?
synthetic oil created sludge issues for me. I will use mineral oil for the long run.
if we use modified f1 engine in tractors will it work
well it depends if the engine is vintage or new, recommended by manufacturer or not...
so when do you start making clear case covers for motorcycles?
Fabulous . Where to buy it from in India . Need it bad .
And then oem’s put hardly enough in and tell you it lasts forever and your trans is screwed in 100k anyway….
Patently false, just because it doesn't pull a torrent doesn't mean you don't have lubricant coating the teeth. You don't need a ton to have film strength and you're likely losing power pulling so much mass around with the gear.
Vizerei
Are you seriously trying to argue mineral oil does as good or better than synthetic oils at lubricating?
Where in the comment dose it compare mineral vs syn?
BigEsGarage
The entire comment is comparing the two. Not sure what you're confused about
Yes its called parasitic drag. This is Microblue.com works so well. It places a ultra thin layer of anti friction material on the surface. As in reference to a gear box. The friction between teeth are very low if the load applied is light and the "gear backlash" is at a proper amount. They ONLY need for thick oil film is when the GEAR LOADING is AT or NEAR its maximum designed strength.
I have studied this with rear differentials. If I use a low friction oil/oil supplement. I observed little benefits at light load conditions. But once I applied high load (pulling a hill at low speed) it increased my ground speed significantly.
Jason B
No one is talking about gear oil or it's viscosity. This video and discussion is about synthetic vs mineral oil.
even with an uneven film, when the gears rotate they squeeze out the excess oil and it rides on the contact point and eventually feeds through the teeth anyways, so "uneven" lubrication, at least on the teeth is not as big of a deal in real life compared to how this video makes it seem
No it's not a big deal on the teeth of the gear to go with out for a couple of seconds. What matters more in a transmission is the bearings on the sides supporting the gear shafts are they getting oil? In the cold here in MN, mineral oil won't flow for a long time down the sides of the gear & into bearings where it's Really needed.
This vid is 8 years old, is there not newer tech in the lubrication industry?
And to be fair to the traditionally oils and transmission fluids, they work and have worked for 100 years if used as intended.
wait so transmissions are not supposed to be fully submerged in oil?
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Cool demo.
What is the Drain interval of this amazing oil?
Is transmission oil and gear oil the same ? I own a 1.2L petrol manual transmission car, does that also need this synthetic oil ?
Or ZF Lifegaurd 8 or Mopar ZF 8 and 9 ATF. IOts all the saame fluid. Just in a different bottle.
shell i want to make a video on synthetic engine oil and mineral oil in hindi so can i use this clip in my video
Bike Muters yes
No entiendo inglés pero la verdad que los niveles son distintos. El nivel del líquido colorado es Mayor
They should record power draw. The more clingy the less efficient it is.
I just want to know if shell is better or motul for bikes
Hand cranking one of these or slow motion I want to see how it works at highway speed
I like your video soundtrack.
And then there is me who went without oil in the gearbox and clutch for 6 months 😂😂😂
Yestreegrafting
Yeah, the oil demo is cool but where do I get the transparent gearbox. I need it for autism.
What about the transmission that is integrated into the engine in one housing?
4T
That's why I always use shell
Simerjeet singh and what exactly is your "that's"?
@@1980zander prolly impressive marketing by a oil giant
Can u Plz. Tell me how do u know calculate the amount of oil in the case.. Do reply with engineering formulas..!!!
Akash Lobo G you see Shell rushing to give you an exact answer with formulas...
Alexander Zhukov hmm.. Ya i get it. But I need to know it Rit..
請問台灣速克達齒輪油建議多久更換
How to spot original shell advance ulta 4T? Im from the Philippines. Thank you
They blended an oil to give it the same viscosity as their oil then compared it to mineral oil?
So... neither one was the real world product
Basically they created two liquids to demonstrate the point they wanted to make
Viscosity of the oil changes with heat.
ahh the good old days, when shell wasnt afraid to admit it was in the oil business
Is synthetic oil good in a tropical or warm country?.. Newbie question
CEBU ROCKISTA RIDER it is good anywhere.
Can i out this oil in my homemade gearbox?