That’s your fault for mixing with the wrong people. I have several friendship groups online (Face Book )Don’t go to those horrid places, stick with your friends and personal interests. I just don’t see the vile groups because I don’t interact with them.
@Lynnefromlyn oh yes I left Facebook after being acused by some members of the local Labour Party of being an anit semite and having an interest in child abuse. Nothing direct that I could sue for, if I had the money, just innuendo hints and lies. Facebook is a sewer.
Facebook is like life outside social media. It depends where you go and who you mix with. I know the horrible side of life is there, but I choose to go towards other things, and have learnt so much and seen so much supportive behaviour on forums, say, but also here on UA-cam in the various comments sections. The internet is a wonderful tool, but needs to be handled carefully...
I quit Facebook completely around 7 years ago and it was one of the best things I ever did, the way people act on there is very cultish. Well said Tim!
If you want intelligent interesting discussions with people who have a great deal of knowledge, I think it has always been the case of small groups. Back in the days where Britain was a technological superpower there were millions of these small specialist groups, but as with so many things, over the years they were all merged together into massive faceless and dumbed down institutions like say the IET. However all is not lost. YT has some good channels where you get these people. One of the ones I really enjoy is based over in Taiwan and is to do with chip production. You get people on there who are leading scientists and researchers. So whatever you are interested in, it is best to find those little corners where this goes on.
@@Dukemountbatten Tommy was born in Luton and you will struggle to get the Irish government to confirm that Stephen yanxley lennon holds a valid Irish passport
Well said Professor Tim Wilson. Spoken from the heart.. So nice to see someone stand up for the truth and not be afraid to say it 🙏💯. RIP To the 3 children who were tragically taken far too soon. Fly high Angels. 🙏🙏❤️❤️ Xxx. Also the other children and teacher who are also in hospital. Get Well Soon 🙏🙏❤️❤️. To all the families and freinds and communities affected by this. We should have stood together with our heads held up high like we as good people do. Instead certain people let you down massively! I can’t even imagine what as parents family and friends are going through. Please just remember together we stand. ONE LOVE ❤️ XXX
Why on earth would Tommy Two names condemn the violence? For a start it was his people who were causing the violence and secondly, he is a football hooligan who has made a lot of money out of violence. Condemning violence would be like a turkey voting for Xmas! 🤨
@@DropdudeJohn It means the rich elites in their private jets are the true enemies, not the poorest people who arrive in dinghies. The political/monied elites would happily see everyone below them rip each other to shreds before they cede their power, usually it has to be done by force. Every once in a while though there is a revolution and the hourglass is flipped over, only for a newly minted set of 'elites' to lord it over the rest.
@@DropdudeJohnIt should be, "Your enemy travels by private plane, not by rubber dinghy." The people who have made your life miserable are not the refugees from harsh regimes but those who wish you to blame all ills on the refugees so that you don't look into what they themselves have done to make things worse for you.
I have never joined FB or twitter (X). These people that spout their hateful bile and bigotry on these platforms for “likes “ then think the majority hold their vile views. They are now at long last being bought to book. But these platforms need financial penalties for allowing this bile in the name of clicks and profit.
@@cosmicdragonian Maybe that platforms are treated as publishers and thus can be held responsible for the content they allow. Currently the likes of Twitter and UA-cam get away without adequate moderation. Time for that to change..
@@jayzee9149 Agree.But I think reach should be the defining factor. Systems that must target messages to people who must be specifically named - email, messenger and similar can be considered messaging platforms. Whereas systems where what you write can be indiscriminately read by anyone, facebook, reddit, twitter, youtube etc should be distinguished as publishers and treated as such.
Free Speech is fine but you cannot expect to speak freely in a way that encourages and results in harm of damage to others and expect to get away with it. Had that woman been stood in the hotel car park saying what she wanted to happen to that hotel she should expect arrest and on line should be no different.
@@DropdudeJohnJust Stop Oi,l did they throw bricks at the Police and try to burn down hotels, libraries, Citizens Advice Bureaux? Lynch people of colout? Burn out Police cars and smash innnocent peoples windows? No, they didn't they sat down in the road, so be quiet! Mupoet!
Some people talk about these moves as a state of censorship, its should not be. Humanity for all its freedoms, can turn into the most undisciplined, trifling and wretched human beings to spout misinformation and hate unsanctioned, by the worst psychologies on the social forums. Sometimes it takes moral standards to induce moral standards and that is a good thing. Debate is valued, calumny and name calling based on race, gender and sexual orientation should not be.
Noble sentiments indeed, would be wonderful if governments, corporations and mainstream media adhered to those principles too like ordinary folk are expected to.
It feels right when it is on your side..... censorship often uses morality as justification. Just imagine someone saying the earth isn't the center of the universe! imagine the violence this could insight! We must go and apprehend the perpetrators!
In all these cases, knowledge and the desire to have accurate, unbiased knowledge, that has accurate descriptors from historical, political and scientifical background; allows for true balanced knowledge to happen as education. Anything else is pure heresy and idealized notions to bend a narrative. You have described the problem exactly, some people have understood they are the center of the universe, even though in fairness they have done little, amounted to or themselves are wholly imperfect as anything other than standardized people of their class, education, moral standards etc. Yet feel they know the worlds problems, when they never paid attention to what is truly the "school of life". Critical thinking is missing with so many people sadly.
So when do we hear about a warrant being issued for our favourite MP for questioning? This now needs a concerted effort with the EU and UK pooling resources and producing a relevant strategy to go after the worst offenders!
@@nolslifegren she's a millionaire who made it on the back of antivax an "alternative medicine" grift. She's been a massive pain in her local community for years - got a batshit conspiracy theory? She will promote it. Locals are hoping her money won't save her.. but we all know it probably will.
@@nolslifegren No. Claimed to have inside info during the attack, deleted the message and then produced a text as proof without understanding that the site it came from may be have 9.46am or whatever timestamp but is actually from a West Coast news site on Pacific Standard Time, 10 hours after the event. Phil did a review of her case and deceptions...
You are right, those people that invoke violence are just as responsible as those who commit it. IF a Muslim cleric promoted violence against an artist like Taylor Swift and het fans because of her 'immodest' stage costume and performance, then if an act of violence did occur like a bombing or a shooting by his followers would he not be responsible in some way for had happened ? and would he not also be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. What then is the difference between the hypothetical case and what actually happened in the right wing race riots - those who instigated the riots are just as or more responsible than the thugs throwing bricks and should suffer the full consequences a well.
Yeah I've pretty much given up on FB too. I'd imagine my Mother-in-law and all her relatives are looking over their shoulders at the moment in wake of this.
Glad to see Sweeney and others getting a lesson in consequences, but I hope the harvest just doesn't stop with the low-hanging fruit of the internet. Those who seek influence but deny responsibility are a big part of what is going wrong with society, and it's high time that people be reminded that being part of society comes with responsibilities, and not just rights.
Grown up conversations need to be had not incitement to harm. About time people were held to account for stuff like this, well said professor. Social media can be a marvelous thing that does good things but as in life bad people with bad intentions will ruin it for everyone.
Should social media only spread hope, warmth, and a smile? That seems like a very privileged demand. If I were to craft a "should only" for social media, I'd opt for the (equally unachievable) call for it to only spread truth.
Freedom from liability because you were "incited," "radicalised" or otherwise excused from responsibility for your own actions. Blaming someone who spoke for the deeds of one who acted, as if a line of responsibility can be drawn post hoc ergo propter hoc between one and the other. This way lies madness.
Absolutely with you on this call to action, sir. Anyone who tells you that writing to your MP is a waste of time is either wholly misguided or speaking in bad faith. And any MP who does not hold surgeries is not an MP, but rather someone exploiting the title and privileges of an MP for their own nefarious means. As to freedom of speech, I’d put it even more simply: There is a simple difference between expressing your beliefs and opinions, and incitement. And, if you are inciting along with other inciters, you are taking part in a conspiracy. And conspiracies that lead to criminal harm are criminal conspiracies. As these people are beginning to discover, we already have multiple laws on the statute books which cover such instances. People on the far right, whilst using social media, love to use expressions like, “educate yourself,” and, “echo chamber,” when dealing with anybody who disagrees with their egregious take on the world. Well, now they are having it proved to them that they should have practiced what they preached. These are the lessons that will have a far greater impact on the far right, and will go further toward remedying the hate speech so rampant in modern discourse. It’s not just rounding up a few well photographed, well documented thugs, 70% of whom turned out to have previous convictions for violence and football hooliganism. But getting at the puppeteers and cutting their strings. I applaud the sentencing of this woman, and hope to God she will learn something from her experience. And I bet there are multiple other online, “activists,” urgently seeking legal advice as we speak. I do hope we jail at least double digits more of them?
As for MPs holding "surgeries", it should be a given that they hold them at least monthly and respond in writing to all communications. However, as we know, their loyalties are first for themselves, then the party and finally - a distant third - their constituents. Constituents have the power of recall now and they should be prepared to employ it.
By the way, I am of the understanding that the legal position in the UK is that the citizen has Freedom of Expression and not an overall Freedom of Speech.
Agreed 👍🏾👏🏾.........hopefully soon, these same principles of fairness and not spreading hate, misinformation and lies etc can be used to stop the vile propaganda of bullying against H.&M.👍🏾
hello professor...I believe that the instigator should be punished as much or more than those who were affected by his instigation and practiced violence or chaos, because the instigator is often aware of the impact of his ideas and phrases on his audience, so he may instigate in ways that do not seem violent and with questions or information that do not seem instigating but affect a certain environment that the instigator knows how to incite and make it violent and racist.
Social media platforms must force it's users to use their *real* identities, no more Billybunchofnumbers! If people are forced to face the consequences of the words/action they use the problem can be easily solved.
i can remember learning about how a jewish lawyer from the aclu defended a neo-nazi’s right to march a parade through a small town. it was an example of the strength of our system. everyone’s rights were preserved and nothing bad happened. the uk could use such an example but they’ll have to earn freedom of speech first
I still feel like they are punishing the victims not the perpetrators. What about the rich, powerful, more intelligent ones for example Douglas Murray or Nick Tenconi or Paul Marshall. What about de-radicalisation training or community service in the communities that were attacked for the none violent ones.
Consequences must be visited upon Nigel Farage MP. Farage the instigator and denier of so much hate via online platforms brings the House of Commons into disrepute. Putting him in stocks on Parliament green sounds good.
I'm not sure how psychologically correct this is, but my assumption is that, to a greater or lesser extent, we all wear masks. The fewer masks one wears, the more honest one is. What do I mean? Social situations temper our behaviour, we read the room and select the mask that allows us to blend in. Not everyone does, some choose deliberately to not fit in, however most want to. As a result, they will appear to think and act as the group does. Social media, however, is very different; almost like wearing that mask in a dark room. You don't regulate yourself in the same way. One becomes emboldened, one "speaks one's mind." Social norms are cast off, you're amongst friends, you are in an echo chamber; the checks and balances of human facial expression and body language are absent. You are "free." Social media, I suppose, is very much like intoxication, a form of social inebriation; Uncle Jim is a perfectly decent chap, upright and well meaning, but give him a couple of light ales and he's a lascivious groper of bottoms. Is that the alcohol's mask or the social uncle Jim's mask slipping? So it is with social media, are these closet racists the real persona or a mask worn when in the company of the chatroom racists? Social media also allows one to create a highly edited artificial version of your persona. Pictures are selected, words are edited, one becomes an avatar of the person you think others will want you to be. It's all a bit plastic. A contrivance. Words, like actions, have consequences. I believe in freedom of speech; I also believe that people ought to be aware that you're likely to get a punch on the nose if you offend someone. Freedom of speech is not freedom to offend. It isn't carte blanche to provoke without consequence. Caveat Orator!
The British political system is analogous to a bunch of gangsters playing poker. Each of them are trying to knock each other out of the game, but the moment an outsider tries to jack/threaten the game they will band together out of common interest, to protect their game. Such is the political establishment in the UK.
I have had to pull away from FB and the dreaded Twitts are us. during these past weeks. It really has turned my guts how it's become. Thanks for this video.
I do pray all veterans decline invitation to IG in the UK. It is time for us to stand up for Harry the way he has worked so diligently for us.🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥 Harry’s family is in more danger in the UK because of hate, envy & jealousy instead of being embraced & celebrated . . . Why??? As the king does nothing to help communities in turmoil but instead goes on yet another holiday like nothing is wrong. While the 10 year anniversary was not important enough to tear himself away from a garden party to pay respects to the men & women who lay down their lives says everything about leadership. Willy of course chose sporting events, but they want to controlIG for their own glory??? What kind of king is this??? Not one that walks the walk. There is no leadership I the RF that has not broken every one of their own rules & archaic laws but they want to punish Harry for not continuing to be their dumping ground & Harry took everything they threw at him . . . But to want to end his wife & children was nothing Nobel or regal, it was & is evil & corrupt. Especially since Cowmoola’s litter gets the royal treatment. Her children are not of Royal blood but are more beloved to the king . . . There is no greater perversion of love than chuck & Cowmoola’s history. But they want to wipe Harry’s existence from their history. Cowmoola has been robbing y’all blind of your dignity, the things you claim to hold dear, supposed honor & truth & replaced it all with scandal & lies that serve only her. Check the Crown Jewels, I bet they’ve been gone.
7:57 i can’t agree with this. Freedom to choose only good things isn’t freedom at all. In fact freedom in a society is just incredibly limited. We should just accept the fact and move on rather coming up with sophisticated babble as to why we’re actually free in some dubious theoretical way. In any case… there’s probably no such thing as freedom even at the individual level. My belief in free will since my undergrad has been like my belief in God. It’s an act of pure faith in a totally nebulous metaphysical concept I have no evidence for beyond a shaky and probably delusional internal experiences. I maintain faith in the idea for the sake of utility and meaningfulness for myself but I think it’s quite unlikely at the rational level…
I think forgiveness is necessary for some ... like this 52 year old woman "to try and be good" offering her community service helping Muslim neighbourhoods would be good. It would be good if Muslim communities suggested this. Yaxley-Lennon, Tate, and Farage - are they being paid by pro-Israel lobbies?
The videos that raise my spirit and heart are those showing humans helping wild animals get out of a sticky life threatening situation… and then meeting up months or years later, and remembering it! I mean, if you ain’t crying with joy at the end of that there is no hope for you… is there?😂🤔😍
A one day member of youtube startedbtrolling me on another of your videos regarding Tate. Said he was a linguistics prof . He noted I am in Canada and thought he couldmuse the same old trolling rhetoric a mile wide and an inch deep. After a while I noted I amm an ex pat from GB.I also noted many of my cousins are police. SILENCE thereafter showing conciousness of guilt .
It depends how you use it. The open parts of it are of course but private groups can be helpful to promote and share ideas. For example, I am a member of one that others doing similar voluntary work use to talk about what we have done that works, what didn't and how we can improve things. So it can be constuctive - like anything, it is up to people how they use it.
I dunno, people being imprisoned for venting...doesn't feel good. Was this woman really 'calling for' that to happen, or just expressing anger and resentment? Because I don't think, if you asked her whether that was really what she wanted - to burn a lot of people to death - she would have said it was.
Musk and others demand the right to free speech but we already have the right to freedom of expression, which includes speech. It is granted to us in Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights. But Article 10 also says "The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary." This seems very much in keeping with what Tim is saying. Freedom of expression cannot include freedom to incite violence, crime or the breakdown of democratic society. It cannot include freedom to incite, promote, encourage of share images of the sexual abuse or exploitation of children or other vulnerable people. If you demand unfettered freedom of expression, you are demanding the right to such abhorrent expression, which is indeed horrific.
I stopped using Twitter seven years ago because i couldnt stand the febrile atmosphere. Still on Facebook in my own little bubble and block people who post hate content.
You are allowed to hold whatever opinion you wish. But if you publish it, and posting it online is publishing it, you are subject to the consequences. There has been something of a democratisation of opinions. It was formerly the case that only the opinions of those educated and qualified in a subject were given any credence. With the rise of the 'voxpop' media, people seem to think that their ignorance is as valid as someone else's informed and considered position. It is not.
There is an issue you've not discussed Tim this time. Let's look at the two groups the right wing racists and the mass counter movement peace and love shall we call them. It took a show of strength from the latter to drive the right wing minority off the streets did it not. What would have become of the nazis of Britain the Brown Shirts in 1939 who took to the streets of London and were allied with Adolf Hitler. They were only tamed not by politicians but ordinary people who had to fight them, and drive them off the streets. If my history is accurate had they been allowed to swagger around with their swastikas and take control of London and other cities would they have been able to coerse the population by intimidation just like their friend in Germany did?? So there are times when sadly violence is the only mechanism that works. You have to fight evil with evil of the forces of law and order are not sufficient in numbers and there are not enough policemen and women to achieve this at times.
Excellent post! Freedom of speech is important but freedom to use that right to generate hatred and violence… Something has to change if social media sites can’t police themselves laws are going to be necessary.
The entire digital space, including both commercial and state actors is a postmodern dystopia. The very last place one seeks something approaching a truth. Politicians and other agents of power have learnt to exploit this chaos, akin to throwing sand in the eyes of an assailant.
Nothing new. 'Careless talk costs lives' and there is a lot of it on all social media. I have never had a FB or X account. Glad this woman has been punished for vile content.
@@nux3187 he's not telling you the truth. That's the problem. Do your research. And I don't mean watch a couple of UA-cam videos and uncritically accept everything they say.
I agree! But what happens to religious fanatics who assemble with placards calling for unmentionable physical harm to "none-believers"? How has it come to this? Should the government not face a greater level of responsibility for the degradation of UK social values and culture?
Sounds like you’ve finally accepted TR isn’t ok - I’m proud of you! Next thing you know you’ll be wearing a red bow tie and saying Labour are doing a good job of holding these people to account 😂
Wise words Tim.I was actually on a live stream on ytube watching unrest in Rotherham some of the comments were unbelievable hatred..I can't repeat I reported to yt for what it is worth.Maybe they can pop up again with a different name. Hope you are well Sir x
I hope the judiciary find a way to exert eye watering fines from Facebook and Twitter and perhaps issue warrants for the people in positions of power in these organisations.
I quit farcebook following a dispute over an abusive 'burner phone merchant' troll and in so doing lost 14 years of raving history; The Junglist Pirate years, Wanko the Clown... All gone.
So you are for censorship. Unfortunately when people decide that words are the same as acts of violence free speech is over. Then the frustrations of society come out in uglier ways down the line.
@@MIEJ4 Well actually THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT!!! Because when it comes to words and thoughts just WHO exactly gets to decide what is responsible? My god I cannot believe that humanity has not learnt this most basic principle about society thru the ages. As far as freedom and liberty is concerned, throwing the baby out with the bathwater does not work. If you try to define "responsible" language you demonstrate that you do not know where to draw the line. If I had a penny for everytime someone had offended me with their dumb ideas. Id be a rich man. If government tries to do the same, you have more people in prison than out and a police state. Good call.
@@rufanuf1 Free speech is not a licence to say what you want without consequences. How many slander cases go through the courts? Ask Fox and Hopkins. Hate preachers abuse freedom of speech to incite violence. Should they be allowed to destroy society with words? And hate preachers come in all tones.
Crimean War . Balaclava from the battle of the same name (Charge of the Light Brigade) Cardigan jumper after Earl of Cardigan (brilliantly portrayed by Trevor Howard in the film Charge of the Light Brigade. Resembles the jackets worn by his Hussars. The Raglan jumper and sleeve after Lord Raglan also of CotLB fame . Lots of streets named after battles, Inkerman, Alma. There is even a village in Gwent named Sebastopol Just interesting (I think) factoids.
Ever wondered what followed the disastrous Charge of the Light Brigade in the Crimean War? The answer is the more successful Charge of the Heavy Brigade. Strange but true...
As much as I agree, I do thing examples should be made of Yaxley because he is British and lives here and especially Farage because he is an MP, even if he doesn't act like one. In an ideal world maybe we could somehow punish people living in other countries but in reality I'm not sure how possible it is and for that reason, how much time or money that may be desperately needed elsewhere should be spent on what's effectively a Goose chase of principle.
That’s the idea, yes, but the problem is that “good” and “evil” don’t have constructive definitions. I.e. you can’t allow people to do good and forbid them to do evil-because _what_ would they be allowed/not allowed to do? You can only give people rights and set limits (and that’s what liberally democratic countries do) and try to calibrate these so that people *mostly* do good (also by appealing to their morality and ethics). But there will inevitably be a grey zone, where people can and will do both good and evil-and freedom of speech is an example.
And why do you think ordinary working class people feel so aggrieved?? Immigration is out of control and affecting our lives. We are not PC. We say what we think.
I’m afraid I’m looking at this incident from a different objective Prof T…What is occurring + the speed at which it’s occurring, I find concerning. Don’t misunderstand me, for punishment should always fit the crime…but alas in our nation it has been for centuries, always far too selective… I don’t believe any account is being considered regarding the majority of the people being prosecuted…in their backgrounds. In my opinion, their levels of literacy barely exist. And until the root of the mere basics remain condoned as in bad parenting, bad education + bad policing… these lifestyle choices + the incessant disregard of right + wrong…will herald little hope for improvement to go forward. Meantime, by the facts in this woman’s Facebook message…is screaming out illiteracy…+ on this occasion I do believe a hefty fine with community service + counselling would send a more hopeful message for change, than her being locked up!
Every breath you take And every move you make Every bond you break Every step you take I'll be watching you Every single day And every word you say Every game you play Every night you stay I'll be watching you Oh, can't you see You BELONG to me?
I understand you can be critical of govt policy.but you cannot encourage people to assault and kill others.i think most adults understand that reasoning
Facebook to promote friendship? Are you joking? It’s a vile place. 😮
That’s your fault for mixing with the wrong people. I have several friendship groups online (Face Book )Don’t go to those horrid places, stick with your friends and personal interests. I just don’t see the vile groups because I don’t interact with them.
Facebook is inert last time I looked.
@Lynnefromlyn oh yes I left Facebook after being acused by some members of the local Labour Party of being an anit semite and having an interest in child abuse. Nothing direct that I could sue for, if I had the money, just innuendo hints and lies. Facebook is a sewer.
@@Lynnefromlynsame for me.
Facebook is like life outside social media. It depends where you go and who you mix with. I know the horrible side of life is there, but I choose to go towards other things, and have learnt so much and seen so much supportive behaviour on forums, say, but also here on UA-cam in the various comments sections.
The internet is a wonderful tool, but needs to be handled carefully...
I quit Facebook completely around 7 years ago and it was one of the best things I ever did, the way people act on there is very cultish. Well said Tim!
Same but left FB 2 years ago and dumped all others last January.
Just YT now.
@@SurfandTurfJay same here just youtube.
If you want intelligent interesting discussions with people who have a great deal of knowledge, I think it has always been the case of small groups. Back in the days where Britain was a technological superpower there were millions of these small specialist groups, but as with so many things, over the years they were all merged together into massive faceless and dumbed down institutions like say the IET. However all is not lost. YT has some good channels where you get these people. One of the ones I really enjoy is based over in Taiwan and is to do with chip production. You get people on there who are leading scientists and researchers. So whatever you are interested in, it is best to find those little corners where this goes on.
I hope Starmar remove X from Britain. It will help get rid of the trolls that harass Harry and Meghan. 🍿
I so so hope this. Follow the EU. They’re our natural allies and our policies ought to aline. Ban Musk from the continent while we’re at it
@@jackiethomas249 if you want to give yourself a mental health problem, twitter is the way to get the job done. Ban away I say. 👍
Musk buying Twitter was the worst thing.
Let's not forget Katie Pancake Hopkins, Lawrence Goebbel Fox, Gutless Eton Mess Murray and Tommy the Irish Robinson
@@Dukemountbatten Tommy was born in Luton and you will struggle to get the Irish government to confirm that Stephen yanxley lennon holds a valid Irish passport
@@SlurpentisCEO why did he change his name? Robinson certainly sounds less Irish.
Well said Professor Tim Wilson.
Spoken from the heart..
So nice to see someone stand up for the truth and not be afraid to say it 🙏💯.
RIP To the 3 children who were tragically taken far too soon.
Fly high Angels. 🙏🙏❤️❤️ Xxx.
Also the other children and teacher who are also in hospital.
Get Well Soon 🙏🙏❤️❤️.
To all the families and freinds and communities affected by this.
We should have stood together with our heads held up high like we as good people do.
Instead certain people let you down massively!
I can’t even imagine what as parents family and friends are going through.
Please just remember together we stand.
ONE LOVE ❤️ XXX
Them 3 ❤angels❤ were murdered in cold blood by a monstrous psychopathic killer. Why you afraid to say it how it really is??
Why on earth would Tommy Two names condemn the violence?
For a start it was his people who were causing the violence and secondly, he is a football hooligan who has made a lot of money out of violence. Condemning violence would be like a turkey voting for Xmas! 🤨
It wasn't his people causing the violence, it was a collection of people from different backgrounds reacting wrongly to violence against them
@@DropdudeJohnAgainst them ? Driven mad by the internet 😂😂
@@DropdudeJohn And the mobs that were chanting "Tommy Robinson"? What online source are they tuned to? What bad echo chamber triggered them?
@@DropdudeJohn😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😁
@@DropdudeJohnyeah,ok then🙄
“Your enemy comes on a plane, not a boat”
What des that even mean
@@DropdudeJohn It means the rich elites in their private jets are the true enemies, not the poorest people who arrive in dinghies. The political/monied elites would happily see everyone below them rip each other to shreds before they cede their power, usually it has to be done by force. Every once in a while though there is a revolution and the hourglass is flipped over, only for a newly minted set of 'elites' to lord it over the rest.
@@DropdudeJohn The enemy is the elite profiting off of division of normal working people to stop their anger being targeted at them.
@@DropdudeJohnIt should be, "Your enemy travels by private plane, not by rubber dinghy."
The people who have made your life miserable are not the refugees from harsh regimes but those who wish you to blame all ills on the refugees so that you don't look into what they themselves have done to make things worse for you.
@@DropdudeJohnMeans they fly in private jets ( The Rich )
I have never joined FB or twitter (X). These people that spout their hateful bile and bigotry on these platforms for “likes “ then think the majority hold their vile views. They are now at long last being bought to book. But these platforms need financial penalties for allowing this bile in the name of clicks and profit.
Moi aussi
There are laws for harmful and hateful speech. Not sure what else you are after.
Never got involved with either. FB was funded by wrong uns.
@@cosmicdragonian Maybe that platforms are treated as publishers and thus can be held responsible for the content they allow. Currently the likes of Twitter and UA-cam get away without adequate moderation. Time for that to change..
@@jayzee9149 Agree.But I think reach should be the defining factor. Systems that must target messages to people who must be specifically named - email, messenger and similar can be considered messaging platforms. Whereas systems where what you write can be indiscriminately read by anyone, facebook, reddit, twitter, youtube etc should be distinguished as publishers and treated as such.
Free Speech is fine but you cannot expect to speak freely in a way that encourages and results in harm of damage to others and expect to get away with it. Had that woman been stood in the hotel car park saying what she wanted to happen to that hotel she should expect arrest and on line should be no different.
We already have laws for that, you can't incite violence directly or indirectly
@@DropdudeJohnYes you can.
@@DropdudeJohn And one of our laws means you can be prosecuted for incitement.
Only 15 months, andJust Stop Oil got 5 years?
Wasn't their first time and they caused greater economic impact and knowingly indirect threat to life
Really, i was unaware that just oil attempted to set fire to a building that housed more than 80 men, women and children.
Seems unfair.
@@DropdudeJohnJust Stop Oi,l did they throw bricks at the Police and try to burn down hotels, libraries, Citizens Advice Bureaux? Lynch people of colout? Burn out Police cars and smash innnocent peoples windows? No, they didn't they sat down in the road, so be quiet! Mupoet!
@@annishilcock4587 There's the two tier Policing!
Some people talk about these moves as a state of censorship, its should not be. Humanity for all its freedoms, can turn into the most undisciplined, trifling and wretched human beings to spout misinformation and hate unsanctioned, by the worst psychologies on the social forums. Sometimes it takes moral standards to induce moral standards and that is a good thing. Debate is valued, calumny and name calling based on race, gender and sexual orientation should not be.
Noble sentiments indeed, would be wonderful if governments, corporations and mainstream media adhered to those principles too like ordinary folk are expected to.
It feels right when it is on your side..... censorship often uses morality as justification. Just imagine someone saying the earth isn't the center of the universe! imagine the violence this could insight! We must go and apprehend the perpetrators!
In all these cases, knowledge and the desire to have accurate, unbiased knowledge, that has accurate descriptors from historical, political and scientifical background; allows for true balanced knowledge to happen as education. Anything else is pure heresy and idealized notions to bend a narrative.
You have described the problem exactly, some people have understood they are the center of the universe, even though in fairness they have done little, amounted to or themselves are wholly imperfect as anything other than standardized people of their class, education, moral standards etc.
Yet feel they know the worlds problems, when they never paid attention to what is truly the "school of life". Critical thinking is missing with so many people sadly.
So when do we hear about a warrant being issued for our favourite MP for questioning?
This now needs a concerted effort with the EU and UK pooling resources and producing a relevant strategy to go after the worst offenders!
No word on Bonnie Spofforth ? Ah but shes rich and will have access to expensive lawyers ...
That may well help her.
But will they be able to explain the attempt to cover her tracks with a Pacific coast news report?
A blatant attempt to pervert the course of justice?
@@davefave4351 She got previous ?
@@nolslifegren she's a millionaire who made it on the back of antivax an "alternative medicine" grift. She's been a massive pain in her local community for years - got a batshit conspiracy theory? She will promote it. Locals are hoping her money won't save her.. but we all know it probably will.
@@nolslifegren
No.
Claimed to have inside info during the attack, deleted the message and then produced a text as proof without understanding that the site it came from may be have 9.46am or whatever timestamp but is actually from a West Coast news site on Pacific Standard Time, 10 hours after the event.
Phil did a review of her case and deceptions...
If this poor woman's FB post was so heinous and "inciteful", why are the MSM and social media platforms repeating it all over the internet? 🤔
You are right, those people that invoke violence are just as responsible as those who commit it. IF a Muslim cleric promoted violence against an artist like Taylor Swift and het fans because of her 'immodest' stage costume and performance, then if an act of violence did occur like a bombing or a shooting by his followers would he not be responsible in some way for had happened ? and would he not also be arrested and prosecuted to the full extent of the law. What then is the difference between the hypothetical case and what actually happened in the right wing race riots - those who instigated the riots are just as or more responsible than the thugs throwing bricks and should suffer the full consequences a well.
Yeah I've pretty much given up on FB too. I'd imagine my Mother-in-law and all her relatives are looking over their shoulders at the moment in wake of this.
Who said never interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake?
Hence my political retreat 👍 great work professor
Napoleon Bonaparte I believe............
Oui. Exacetement.
If anyone has failed its Starmer. He now looks weak across the world.
@@qetounHow so? There is no way anyone could have prevented these riots from happening.
@@qetoun Was the point of these riots to make Starmer look weak? It hasn't worked.
Glad to see Sweeney and others getting a lesson in consequences, but I hope the harvest just doesn't stop with the low-hanging fruit of the internet. Those who seek influence but deny responsibility are a big part of what is going wrong with society, and it's high time that people be reminded that being part of society comes with responsibilities, and not just rights.
There is no such thing as Society. Its a myth.
Thank you Tim for your measured words, Well spoken.
Grown up conversations need to be had not incitement to harm. About time people were held to account for stuff like this, well said professor. Social media can be a marvelous thing that does good things but as in life bad people with bad intentions will ruin it for everyone.
Should social media only spread hope, warmth, and a smile? That seems like a very privileged demand. If I were to craft a "should only" for social media, I'd opt for the (equally unachievable) call for it to only spread truth.
" And the Truth shall make Ye fret"
Pot calling kettle black???? Your constant hatred against certain people is surely exactly what You are shouting against?
Is Farage sweating now 😰
Freedom from liability because you were "incited," "radicalised" or otherwise excused from responsibility for your own actions. Blaming someone who spoke for the deeds of one who acted, as if a line of responsibility can be drawn post hoc ergo propter hoc between one and the other. This way lies madness.
I can only hope that he who is to remain nameless, but was an instigator of this outrage, will get his comeuppance forthwith
Allah, but where to find him
@@DropdudeJohn ask Fred
@@DropdudeJohn I don't think Allah has an IP address. Is Tate a Muslim? Oh hang on...This has just got a bit confusing.
Absolutely with you on this call to action, sir. Anyone who tells you that writing to your MP is a waste of time is either wholly misguided or speaking in bad faith. And any MP who does not hold surgeries is not an MP, but rather someone exploiting the title and privileges of an MP for their own nefarious means.
As to freedom of speech, I’d put it even more simply: There is a simple difference between expressing your beliefs and opinions, and incitement. And, if you are inciting along with other inciters, you are taking part in a conspiracy. And conspiracies that lead to criminal harm are criminal conspiracies. As these people are beginning to discover, we already have multiple laws on the statute books which cover such instances.
People on the far right, whilst using social media, love to use expressions like, “educate yourself,” and, “echo chamber,” when dealing with anybody who disagrees with their egregious take on the world. Well, now they are having it proved to them that they should have practiced what they preached.
These are the lessons that will have a far greater impact on the far right, and will go further toward remedying the hate speech so rampant in modern discourse. It’s not just rounding up a few well photographed, well documented thugs, 70% of whom turned out to have previous convictions for violence and football hooliganism. But getting at the puppeteers and cutting their strings. I applaud the sentencing of this woman, and hope to God she will learn something from her experience.
And I bet there are multiple other online, “activists,” urgently seeking legal advice as we speak. I do hope we jail at least double digits more of them?
"you can only be free to do good" - straight out of 1984 Big Brother
no it s out of augustine and aquinas
Absolutely. Exactly. Why cant the king wade in and say this kind of thing. This is the stuff of leadership. Prof Tim for King!
Should be charged for incitement to murder because thats what is was, no if or buts or any kind of excuses
Brilliantly nailed, thank you Prof 🎉
As for MPs holding "surgeries", it should be a given that they hold them at least monthly and respond in writing to all communications.
However, as we know, their loyalties are first for themselves, then the party and finally - a distant third - their constituents.
Constituents have the power of recall now and they should be prepared to employ it.
By the way, I am of the understanding that the legal position in the UK is that the citizen has Freedom of Expression and not an overall Freedom of Speech.
Which is why lawyers are expensive.
The individual's rights are being severely eroded in the UK, particularly if you are THOUGHT to be able to persuade people to do bad things.
Agreed 👍🏾👏🏾.........hopefully soon, these same principles of fairness and not spreading hate, misinformation and lies etc can be used to stop the vile propaganda of bullying against H.&M.👍🏾
hello professor...I believe that the instigator should be punished as much or more than those who were affected by his instigation and practiced violence or chaos, because the instigator is often aware of the impact of his ideas and phrases on his audience, so he may instigate in ways that do not seem violent and with questions or information that do not seem instigating but affect a certain environment that the instigator knows how to incite and make it violent and racist.
Social media platforms must force it's users to use their *real* identities, no more Billybunchofnumbers! If people are forced to face the consequences of the words/action they use the problem can be easily solved.
i can remember learning about how a jewish lawyer from the aclu defended a neo-nazi’s right to march a parade through a small town. it was an example of the strength of our system. everyone’s rights were preserved and nothing bad happened. the uk could use such an example but they’ll have to earn freedom of speech first
I still feel like they are punishing the victims not the perpetrators. What about the rich, powerful, more intelligent ones for example Douglas Murray or Nick Tenconi or Paul Marshall. What about de-radicalisation training or community service in the communities that were attacked for the none violent ones.
I can’t delete Johnson’s words about Muslims from my mind.
Thanks, Prof.
Well said, Sir! I couldn't agree more.
Consequences must be visited upon Nigel Farage MP.
Farage the instigator and denier of so much hate via online platforms brings the House of Commons into disrepute.
Putting him in stocks on Parliament green sounds good.
I'm not sure how psychologically correct this is, but my assumption is that, to a greater or lesser extent, we all wear masks. The fewer masks one wears, the more honest one is.
What do I mean? Social situations temper our behaviour, we read the room and select the mask that allows us to blend in. Not everyone does, some choose deliberately to not fit in, however most want to.
As a result, they will appear to think and act as the group does.
Social media, however, is very different; almost like wearing that mask in a dark room. You don't regulate yourself in the same way. One becomes emboldened, one "speaks one's mind." Social norms are cast off, you're amongst friends, you are in an echo chamber; the checks and balances of human facial expression and body language are absent. You are "free."
Social media, I suppose, is very much like intoxication, a form of social inebriation; Uncle Jim is a perfectly decent chap, upright and well meaning, but give him a couple of light ales and he's a lascivious groper of bottoms. Is that the alcohol's mask or the social uncle Jim's mask slipping?
So it is with social media, are these closet racists the real persona or a mask worn when in the company of the chatroom racists?
Social media also allows one to create a highly edited artificial version of your persona. Pictures are selected, words are edited, one becomes an avatar of the person you think others will want you to be. It's all a bit plastic. A contrivance.
Words, like actions, have consequences.
I believe in freedom of speech; I also believe that people ought to be aware that you're likely to get a punch on the nose if you offend someone.
Freedom of speech is not freedom to offend. It isn't carte blanche to provoke without consequence.
Caveat Orator!
Freedom of Speech...for many an excuse to abuse the privilege...
@@brianperry + others
15 months in prison hardly feels like the right length of sentence.
Well said Timothy 👌👍
I am happy to hear about accountability for hate on social media (Swinney). Good people can never give up or give in to hate and abuse. ❤❤❤
The most difficult battle, is the struggle against ignorance and stupidity in the masses. Is it worth engaging at all.
@marianowens3881 I agree. However, why can't they do the same with trolls? Just asking
Well said Tim🔥
My mother used to knit them to keep us warm. But did not cover face.
The British political system is analogous to a bunch of gangsters playing poker. Each of them are trying to knock each other out of the game, but the moment an outsider tries to jack/threaten the game they will band together out of common interest, to protect their game. Such is the political establishment in the UK.
Yes, the British establishment certainly know how to gang up on anyone who challenges them or their policies..
I have had to pull away from FB and the dreaded Twitts are us. during these past weeks. It really has turned my guts how it's become. Thanks for this video.
I do pray all veterans decline invitation to IG in the UK. It is time for us to stand up for Harry the way he has worked so diligently for us.🙏🙏🙏🙏❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥 Harry’s family is in more danger in the UK because of hate, envy & jealousy instead of being embraced & celebrated . . . Why??? As the king does nothing to help communities in turmoil but instead goes on yet another holiday like nothing is wrong. While the 10 year anniversary was not important enough to tear himself away from a garden party to pay respects to the men & women who lay down their lives says everything about leadership. Willy of course chose sporting events, but they want to controlIG for their own glory??? What kind of king is this??? Not one that walks the walk. There is no leadership I the RF that has not broken every one of their own rules & archaic laws but they want to punish Harry for not continuing to be their dumping ground & Harry took everything they threw at him . . . But to want to end his wife & children was nothing Nobel or regal, it was & is evil & corrupt. Especially since Cowmoola’s litter gets the royal treatment. Her children are not of Royal blood but are more beloved to the king . . . There is no greater perversion of love than chuck & Cowmoola’s history. But they want to wipe Harry’s existence from their history. Cowmoola has been robbing y’all blind of your dignity, the things you claim to hold dear, supposed honor & truth & replaced it all with scandal & lies that serve only her. Check the Crown Jewels, I bet they’ve been gone.
You're right with the statement "there is no place to hide". That is shocking, isn't it?
Very good ,i thought a heartfelt post and said what many think.
7:57 i can’t agree with this. Freedom to choose only good things isn’t freedom at all. In fact freedom in a society is just incredibly limited. We should just accept the fact and move on rather coming up with sophisticated babble as to why we’re actually free in some dubious theoretical way. In any case… there’s probably no such thing as freedom even at the individual level. My belief in free will since my undergrad has been like my belief in God. It’s an act of pure faith in a totally nebulous metaphysical concept I have no evidence for beyond a shaky and probably delusional internal experiences. I maintain faith in the idea for the sake of utility and meaningfulness for myself but I think it’s quite unlikely at the rational level…
15 months? She should get at least two years (without parole).
I think forgiveness is necessary for some ... like this 52 year old woman "to try and be good" offering her community service helping Muslim neighbourhoods would be good. It would be good if Muslim communities suggested this.
Yaxley-Lennon, Tate, and Farage - are they being paid by pro-Israel lobbies?
Fine words tim ❤
The videos that raise my spirit and heart are those showing humans helping wild animals get out of a sticky life threatening situation… and then meeting up months or years later, and remembering it! I mean, if you ain’t crying with joy at the end of that there is no hope for you… is there?😂🤔😍
A one day member of youtube startedbtrolling me on another of your videos regarding Tate. Said he was a linguistics prof . He noted I am in Canada and thought he couldmuse the same old trolling rhetoric a mile wide and an inch deep. After a while I noted I amm an ex pat from GB.I also noted many of my cousins are police. SILENCE thereafter showing conciousness of guilt .
Facebook is a total bore.
It depends how you use it.
The open parts of it are of course but private groups can be helpful to promote and share ideas.
For example, I am a member of one that others doing similar voluntary work use to talk about what we have done that works, what didn't and how we can improve things.
So it can be constuctive - like anything, it is up to people how they use it.
Its all fine and well until the gestapo arrive and start arresting you for wrongthink....
I dunno, people being imprisoned for venting...doesn't feel good. Was this woman really 'calling for' that to happen, or just expressing anger and resentment? Because I don't think, if you asked her whether that was really what she wanted - to burn a lot of people to death - she would have said it was.
Where are you Führage?
Musk and others demand the right to free speech but we already have the right to freedom of expression, which includes speech.
It is granted to us in Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights. But Article 10 also says "The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary."
This seems very much in keeping with what Tim is saying. Freedom of expression cannot include freedom to incite violence, crime or the breakdown of democratic society. It cannot include freedom to incite, promote, encourage of share images of the sexual abuse or exploitation of children or other vulnerable people.
If you demand unfettered freedom of expression, you are demanding the right to such abhorrent expression, which is indeed horrific.
I stopped using Twitter seven years ago because i couldnt stand the febrile atmosphere. Still on Facebook in my own little bubble and block people who post hate content.
The paradox of tolerance is clearer every day.
20 months jail for posting an online opinion, yes opinion...we are not allowed to have opinions now. What did Voltaire say again?
You are allowed to hold whatever opinion you wish. But if you publish it, and posting it online is publishing it, you are subject to the consequences. There has been something of a democratisation of opinions. It was formerly the case that only the opinions of those educated and qualified in a subject were given any credence. With the rise of the 'voxpop' media, people seem to think that their ignorance is as valid as someone else's informed and considered position. It is not.
There is an issue you've not discussed Tim this time. Let's look at the two groups the right wing racists and the mass counter movement peace and love shall we call them. It took a show of strength from the latter to drive the right wing minority off the streets did it not. What would have become of the nazis of Britain the Brown Shirts in 1939 who took to the streets of London and were allied with Adolf Hitler. They were only tamed not by politicians but ordinary people who had to fight them, and drive them off the streets. If my history is accurate had they been allowed to swagger around with their swastikas and take control of London and other cities would they have been able to coerse the population by intimidation just like their friend in Germany did?? So there are times when sadly violence is the only mechanism that works. You have to fight evil with evil of the forces of law and order are not sufficient in numbers and there are not enough policemen and women to achieve this at times.
Aww, professor, two Facebook accounts?? I only got as far as thinking about having a second account...
Spreading the love ❤
Well said professor Tim.
Excellent post! Freedom of speech is important but freedom to use that right to generate hatred and violence… Something has to change if social media sites can’t police themselves laws are going to be necessary.
The entire digital space, including both commercial and state actors is a postmodern dystopia. The very last place one seeks something approaching a truth.
Politicians and other agents of power have learnt to exploit this chaos, akin to throwing sand in the eyes of an assailant.
Nothing new. 'Careless talk costs lives' and there is a lot of it on all social media. I have never had a FB or X account. Glad this woman has been punished for vile content.
Remember Sheeple .....Shhhh! or 👮♀️🚓
Tommy Robinson did condemn the violence, it's right there on UA-cam. Should have done the research.
You can't set the fire then say how terrible it is.
@@verystripeyzebra false equivalence. Telling people the truth doesn't make you responsible for what they do with that knowledge
@@nux3187 the truth? 😂😂😂
Another groomed little brainwashed fan boy.
Ah that old “do your own research” nonsense
@@nux3187 he's not telling you the truth. That's the problem. Do your research. And I don't mean watch a couple of UA-cam videos and uncritically accept everything they say.
I agree! But what happens to religious fanatics who assemble with placards calling for unmentionable physical harm to "none-believers"?
How has it come to this? Should the government not face a greater level of responsibility for the degradation of UK social values and culture?
Sounds like you’ve finally accepted TR isn’t ok - I’m proud of you! Next thing you know you’ll be wearing a red bow tie and saying Labour are doing a good job of holding these people to account 😂
One of my favourite words is "potato"
Wise words Tim.I was actually on a live stream on ytube watching unrest in Rotherham some of the comments were unbelievable hatred..I can't repeat I reported to yt for what it is worth.Maybe they can pop up again with a different name. Hope you are well Sir x
Farage .
Pancake of Hate sounds like a fairly plausible death metal band. Their material would no doubt be highly suitable for remixing.
I hope the judiciary find a way to exert eye watering fines from Facebook and Twitter and perhaps issue warrants for the people in positions of power in these organisations.
Is Nigel on this list?
We are going to hell in a handcart,!
I quit farcebook following a dispute over an abusive 'burner phone merchant' troll and in so doing lost 14 years of raving history; The Junglist Pirate years, Wanko the Clown...
All gone.
Thank you sir.
Communism what a joke.
@user-kg7lr2mf1g that's why we don't have it here thank god
So you are for censorship. Unfortunately when people decide that words are the same as acts of violence free speech is over. Then the frustrations of society come out in uglier ways down the line.
Free speech comes with responsibility - unfortunately some people can’t grasp this.
@@MIEJ4 Well actually THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT!!! Because when it comes to words and thoughts just WHO exactly gets to decide what is responsible? My god I cannot believe that humanity has not learnt this most basic principle about society thru the ages. As far as freedom and liberty is concerned, throwing the baby out with the bathwater does not work. If you try to define "responsible" language you demonstrate that you do not know where to draw the line. If I had a penny for everytime someone had offended me with their dumb ideas. Id be a rich man. If government tries to do the same, you have more people in prison than out and a police state. Good call.
@@MIEJ4 Well you got your way. As it seems censorship is already here.
@@rufanuf1 Free speech is not a licence to say what you want without consequences. How many slander cases go through the courts? Ask Fox and Hopkins. Hate preachers abuse freedom of speech to incite violence. Should they be allowed to destroy society with words? And hate preachers come in all tones.
Crimean War . Balaclava from the battle of the same name (Charge of the Light Brigade) Cardigan jumper after Earl of Cardigan (brilliantly portrayed by Trevor Howard in the film Charge of the Light Brigade. Resembles the jackets worn by his Hussars. The Raglan jumper and sleeve after Lord Raglan also of CotLB fame . Lots of streets named after battles, Inkerman, Alma. There is even a village in Gwent named Sebastopol Just interesting (I think) factoids.
Ever wondered what followed the disastrous Charge of the Light Brigade in the Crimean War? The answer is the more successful Charge of the Heavy Brigade. Strange but true...
As much as I agree, I do thing examples should be made of Yaxley because he is British and lives here and especially Farage because he is an MP, even if he doesn't act like one. In an ideal world maybe we could somehow punish people living in other countries but in reality I'm not sure how possible it is and for that reason, how much time or money that may be desperately needed elsewhere should be spent on what's effectively a Goose chase of principle.
The main instigators will get away with it. ☹️
That’s the idea, yes, but the problem is that “good” and “evil” don’t have constructive definitions. I.e. you can’t allow people to do good and forbid them to do evil-because _what_ would they be allowed/not allowed to do? You can only give people rights and set limits (and that’s what liberally democratic countries do) and try to calibrate these so that people *mostly* do good (also by appealing to their morality and ethics). But there will inevitably be a grey zone, where people can and will do both good and evil-and freedom of speech is an example.
is it the banned thought that is a crime? or the expression of a banned thought? which is the crime?
Just publishing it. You can think what you like.
Perhaps keyboard warriors will think twice before they leave these sort of comments from now on.
And why do you think ordinary working class people feel so aggrieved??
Immigration is out of control and affecting our lives.
We are not PC.
We say what we think.
Can we just go back to the days of cat videos-only internet.
I’m afraid I’m looking at this incident from a different objective Prof T…What is occurring + the speed at which it’s occurring, I find concerning.
Don’t misunderstand me, for punishment should always fit the crime…but alas in our nation it has been for centuries, always far too selective…
I don’t believe any account is being considered regarding the majority of the people being prosecuted…in their backgrounds.
In my opinion, their levels of literacy barely exist. And until the root of the mere basics remain condoned as in bad parenting, bad education + bad policing… these lifestyle choices + the incessant disregard of right + wrong…will herald little hope for improvement to go forward.
Meantime, by the facts in this woman’s Facebook message…is screaming out illiteracy…+ on this occasion I do believe a hefty fine with community service + counselling would send a more hopeful message for change, than her being locked up!
The digital age lifted a rock and they scuttled out to spew filth from the comfort of anonymity.
Every breath you take
And every move you make
Every bond you break
Every step you take
I'll be watching you
Every single day
And every word you say
Every game you play
Every night you stay
I'll be watching you
Oh, can't you see
You BELONG to me?
The English, in particular- have had enough of immigration. Why shouldn't the voice of the people be heard?
Because the minority that have these ridiculous views somehow think the rest of the country agrees with them, but this is far from reality.
@@MIEJ4
No, you are the minority, you just surround yourself with people like yourself
Does the professor have any daughters? In all seriousness. I'm asking.
because you're talking rubbish
I understand you can be critical of govt policy.but you cannot encourage people to assault and kill others.i think most adults understand that reasoning