add: when in M/S mode, you also might want to disable the "link" button. That'll open up a new world for you. Anyway, if you're ever in the neighborhood of Mol, Belgium, shoot me a DM over Instagram and feel free to come by to hear it yourself.
Hey Wytse, one point I disagree with is your focus solely on resale value when judging the difference between hardware and software. I believe the value of a purchase lies in its utility. Software that effectively improves workflow, optimizes results, and increases productivity and income can be far more valuable than the resale value of a piece of hardware gear. This perspective shifts our focus from "how much it costs to get" to "how much income it can generate. That said I agree we you that the real question remains "do you need it?"
All he was saying is that your Money goes down the drain when you buy a Digital plugin that you dont use, in comparison to Hardware that you can get rid of whenever you dont have it in the workflow anymore
The way you shout at the beginning of each of your videos is very special, I imagine those who listen to you on headphones, thinking they hear a sweet mastered Jazz sound... Excellent recommendations!
your content is amazing! thank you for all of the work you put in these videos. I'm also commenting because I would love a Pro-MB tutorial just like everyone else here hahah
It's so true, when i started music i installed every crack copy of every plugin that ever came out, now i have a couple of legitimate eq's , compressors etc and some great vst instruments for "real" music. It focuses your mind and work flow
Ive been using a 4 band pro mb preset i made on my master bus and ive been feeling like my entire EP is almost there but not quite. Watch this extra low mid band be the sauce i needed 😭😅. Love all your videos btw. Keep pushing!
Your videos look good enough already. Also slicker vids don't necessarily equal better vids. Ditch the extra video gear and save up for the Alpha instead! ❤
when you said that the delay has "as many problems as I do mentally"...OHMYGOODNESS!!! Wow did I ever loose it in fits of laughter.. out loud by myself...alone here in my studio... I had to actually "rewind" and listen again (while laughing hysterically) just to see if I'd heard that right! Oh...and I also headed STRAIGHT over to Eric Valentines video and posted the comment at 5:50 about console one integration...pretty cool nod to the him and the UnFairchild there!
Great video 🙏🏼 I have about 1000 plugins (Mixing, Mastering, FX, Guitar Stuff, MIDI Instruments, etc.) and I definitely need to cut it in half, AT LEAST
@charlychalton7743 not really, it all started with wanting to have every possible VSTi, in case I needed a tambourine, Hurdy Gurdy or Kazoo. my mixing snd mastering plugins look reasonable but those other ones, man
My current plugin folder contains about 100 plugins in total. i think i have like 200 (incl stock plugins) installed but many of them i replaced with better ones over time. I only buy new ones if they can do something really importang that i cannot replicate with the ones i have (which gets more difficult with each additional one) or if one new plugin can eleminate 2 or more existent ones (like the kirchhoff eq), so i can keep my folder small and clean. Over the span of a year i think i have a turnover of ~15 plugins, which i have then time to learn properly.
Console 1 really takes up a large portion of tooling for your workflow, which doesn't surprise me as they've really hit the mark in functionality (Including support for UAD plugins) and hardware control; basically taking the spot on top of your DAW to control every aspect of mixing. A bit pricey for the hobbyist though. The Elysia Alpha has won my heart last year, epic compressor for complete control of focus and stereo image. Ofcourse the VST for me, the real thing would be wasted on me for that amount of money. Your multiband compression philosophy based on the 5 bands, does it divide the spectrum as sub, bass, midrange, presence and brilliance? I usually struggle with deciding where to split between the latter two. Would love to know how you approached the definition of the bands in a way that it makes sense to you. Funny to see you reach for a sub generator for the kicks; Somehow I wouldn't expect that. Nothing wrong with that, just surprised. :)
When I feel like a MB compressor is needed, it is mostly because there are elements in my mix that produce an imbalance. So when i put an MB compressor on, I look at the spectrum analyzer where those elements sit roughly and then set the crossover in between. Then I move the crossover around for a bit and listen.
DAWs should give you a wrapped summary or keep statistics of how many times you've used certain plugins over the course of a year. I'm going to start tracking mine for all the projects I do this year and see how many times I use each one.
I also find the sonible smart:limiter a little bit more clear then the fabfilter Pro-L. The only issue I have with the sonible stuff is, I'm on linux and do a lot of experimenting an reinstallations. And sonible needs a new activation slot for each reinstallation on linux, because it thinks it is a new PC or so :) And with sonible you habe just 5 activation slots, and there is no way to reactivate an old "machine" that doesn't exist anymore. I want to add, that the people at sonibel helped me out, when I realized there are only 5 slots. But I rather don't experiment no more, with one of their plugins installed :) So for now I would give fabfilter the win.
There actually is a 2nd hand plugin market. I'm in a facebook group where I've bought multiple 2nd hand licenses. Of course won't hold it's value as well as some analog equipment. Especially when you have transfer costs to deal with
I use U&AD and console 1 and these are mostly what I use. I have tried lots of other plugins but can mostly get by with a few utility plugins and some free and cheap Izotope plugins. 🤗
Second-hand software is a thing, at least from what I see from Chinese internet. But that is still mostly happening mostly ONLY when reselling owned-hardware, such as the software coming with the midi controller. I think the reason why reselling software is not popular is because license transfer is not that easy: technically and also confidence wise. Technically, nowadays companies bind licenses to your personal account with lots of your personal information, and somtimes it's not clear whether chaging login email is possible or not. A solution like iLok is both conveninent & annoying at the same time (some software like Slate requires the USB dongle to activate). But iLok USB dongle can solve the confidence issue in trading. But I wish it's a more open solution, that is, we can use any (cheaper) USB memory stick to make a iLok license stick rather than using the official hardware.
Hi Wytse! Great video, as always! What drive models do you use on console 1? Im on the fence and trying to figure out if its worth the financial hit. Thanks.
I was going to buy the Sonible Smart bundles in the black Friday sale but they never put their full studio bundle on sale, I thought it was pretty lame how they adjusted all the sale prices and left some off so if you wanted the whole lot it wasn't really on sale, and for that I'm out! they obviously don't want new customers, it's pretty simple really either put everything on sale or don't bother. I bought Fab Filter and ozone instead.
I wonder why you're using Pro-Q3 inside C1 instead of Modern Eq which is mapped better IMO and it's easier to get the desired sound quicker from my experience. Pro-Q3 feels too sensitive inside C1, you barely touch it and it goes 3dB up or down
probably asked already several times here. I haven't read all the comments:D!!! but...what about reaper plugins? you got to the point to stop using it or was just not a topic for this video? cheers
Plugins do get sold in some communities. It's not done much, because it's a hustle and doesn't make much money. Please don't frame hardware as an economic investment like gold or stock. It costs a lot more money to run than a plugin, you need to keep it working (maintenance costs that rise a lot when some parts aren't produced anymore) and while some gain value, most don't. Please, talk about audio benefits. Yes, we all have too many plugins, no I didn't buy any plugin during black week, yes I agree one shouldn't buy so much, but no, hardware isn't smarter to aquire than plugins.
Well, I am going to go from intel to apple silicon Mac in December, and due to Waves stupid upgrade plan, my current line-up of waves plugins become unusable… so the point was very valid
@@bernburg1999 it’s sometimes valid. You can sell plugins 2nd hand, but you can also get screwed by jumping into bed with the wrong developer. The same way physical hardware can also break or require maintenance, there are variables
@@matdan2 I get your point. An out-of-service piece of hardware however keeps value, unlike software. Wytse’s point is still valid, unlike Michel’s statement above in my opinion.
Yes you can sell plugins second hand… it’s nothing like the value of hardware and physical things break but CAN BE FIXED if your software company goes good bye or a major chip upgrade happens like Apple your stuff is GONE! No company is exempt, it’s very plausible for large companies to go bankrupt or be bought out. Hardware sticks around, he’s totally right on this there is no comparison in value proposition.
Man, i dont know how many videos in row are oresentation of some products. Does not even matter in the end if somebody pay you for this, for me this channel is game over since i see some products presentations and between another youtube ads… game over
Absolute bullshit you can sale license for plugins easily. But with some discount of course. Plugins it's not investment for sure. But you can sale them.
13:23 OH YES PLEASE!!! The ultimate HOW TO use Pro-MB
yes, that would be really awesome
YES PLS
+1
13:26 definately make a video about Pro MB split to 5 bands on the master bus! We would all appreciate this!
I second this!
+1
+1
+100
I bought Silencer based on your recommendation and am VERY happy! Thanks so much.
Thanks!
Owner of the Alpha compressor here: put it on top of your list. While the Brainworx plugin does sound great, the hardware BLOWS it away!
add: when in M/S mode, you also might want to disable the "link" button. That'll open up a new world for you. Anyway, if you're ever in the neighborhood of Mol, Belgium, shoot me a DM over Instagram and feel free to come by to hear it yourself.
Man, i love you!
1. you are dutch.
2. you are honest
3. You don’t drag your videos out unnecessarily
Amen!
Hey Wytse, one point I disagree with is your focus solely on resale value when judging the difference between hardware and software. I believe the value of a purchase lies in its utility. Software that effectively improves workflow, optimizes results, and increases productivity and income can be far more valuable than the resale value of a piece of hardware gear. This perspective shifts our focus from "how much it costs to get" to "how much income it can generate. That said I agree we you that the real question remains "do you need it?"
All he was saying is that your Money goes down the drain when you buy a Digital plugin that you dont use, in comparison to Hardware that you can get rid of whenever you dont have it in the workflow anymore
The way you shout at the beginning of each of your videos is very special, I imagine those who listen to you on headphones, thinking they hear a sweet mastered Jazz sound...
Excellent recommendations!
your content is amazing! thank you for all of the work you put in these videos. I'm also commenting because I would love a Pro-MB tutorial just like everyone else here hahah
This is your best video so far! Thanks a lot.
Thank you for that! It really motivates me to shrink down and focus more on few good plugins!
It's so true, when i started music i installed every crack copy of every plugin that ever came out, now i have a couple of legitimate eq's , compressors etc and some great vst instruments for "real" music. It focuses your mind and work flow
Ive been using a 4 band pro mb preset i made on my master bus and ive been feeling like my entire EP is almost there but not quite. Watch this extra low mid band be the sauce i needed 😭😅. Love all your videos btw. Keep pushing!
Some of the best recommendations i've seen lately
Your videos look good enough already. Also slicker vids don't necessarily equal better vids. Ditch the extra video gear and save up for the Alpha instead! ❤
Knobcloud is a second hand plugin market place lol
Facebook is full of second hand plugin markets, and they are maintained and trusted...
Currently debating whether or not it’s safe to type Knobcloud into Google…
Only knobs on knobcloud
I came to say the same, I got Kirchoff EQ for ~$45 on there
And there’s tons of groups in fb
when you said that the delay has "as many problems as I do mentally"...OHMYGOODNESS!!! Wow did I ever loose it in fits of laughter.. out loud by myself...alone here in my studio... I had to actually "rewind" and listen again (while laughing hysterically) just to see if I'd heard that right! Oh...and I also headed STRAIGHT over to Eric Valentines video and posted the comment at 5:50 about console one integration...pretty cool nod to the him and the UnFairchild there!
You’re a real one for this! I don’t know if it was my suggestion particular, but this is definitely a video I’ve been waiting on.
Good stuff... Happy Black Friday!
Can you please link to wherever we can listen to your actual productions?
I saw the Omnipressor on your rack! Can't wait for the review!
Great video 🙏🏼
I have about 1000 plugins (Mixing, Mastering, FX, Guitar Stuff, MIDI Instruments, etc.) and I definitely need to cut it in half, AT LEAST
What’s that? You every bundle from every major plugin maker?
@charlychalton7743 not really, it all started with wanting to have every possible VSTi, in case I needed a tambourine, Hurdy Gurdy or Kazoo. my mixing snd mastering plugins look reasonable but those other ones, man
Plug-in hoarding is a serious condition!
Console 1 MKIII is just a masterpiece...loving mine to bits...also the Fader 1...
Selling the Tegeler stuff now...
The plugs are fine...
great video !!
My current plugin folder contains about 100 plugins in total.
i think i have like 200 (incl stock plugins) installed but many of them i replaced with better ones over time. I only buy new ones if they can do something really importang that i cannot replicate with the ones i have (which gets more difficult with each additional one) or if one new plugin can eleminate 2 or more existent ones (like the kirchhoff eq), so i can keep my folder small and clean. Over the span of a year i think i have a turnover of ~15 plugins, which i have then time to learn properly.
There are in fact tens of second hand plugins trade and sale all over social media and other places.
Console 1 really takes up a large portion of tooling for your workflow, which doesn't surprise me as they've really hit the mark in functionality (Including support for UAD plugins) and hardware control; basically taking the spot on top of your DAW to control every aspect of mixing. A bit pricey for the hobbyist though.
The Elysia Alpha has won my heart last year, epic compressor for complete control of focus and stereo image. Ofcourse the VST for me, the real thing would be wasted on me for that amount of money.
Your multiband compression philosophy based on the 5 bands, does it divide the spectrum as sub, bass, midrange, presence and brilliance? I usually struggle with deciding where to split between the latter two. Would love to know how you approached the definition of the bands in a way that it makes sense to you.
Funny to see you reach for a sub generator for the kicks; Somehow I wouldn't expect that. Nothing wrong with that, just surprised. :)
When I feel like a MB compressor is needed, it is mostly because there are elements in my mix that produce an imbalance. So when i put an MB compressor on, I look at the spectrum analyzer where those elements sit roughly and then set the crossover in between. Then I move the crossover around for a bit and listen.
This appears very unique
Hiya Wytse - what do you feel about dithering?
DAWs should give you a wrapped summary or keep statistics of how many times you've used certain plugins over the course of a year. I'm going to start tracking mine for all the projects I do this year and see how many times I use each one.
I also find the sonible smart:limiter a little bit more clear then the fabfilter Pro-L.
The only issue I have with the sonible stuff is, I'm on linux and do a lot of experimenting an reinstallations. And sonible needs a new activation slot for each reinstallation on linux, because it thinks it is a new PC or so :) And with sonible you habe just 5 activation slots, and there is no way to reactivate an old "machine" that doesn't exist anymore.
I want to add, that the people at sonibel helped me out, when I realized there are only 5 slots. But I rather don't experiment no more, with one of their plugins installed :)
So for now I would give fabfilter the win.
A Pro MB video would be great!!
There actually is a 2nd hand plugin market. I'm in a facebook group where I've bought multiple 2nd hand licenses. Of course won't hold it's value as well as some analog equipment. Especially when you have transfer costs to deal with
I use U&AD and console 1 and these are mostly what I use. I have tried lots of other plugins but can mostly get by with a few utility plugins and some free and cheap Izotope plugins. 🤗
PS. I love the frequency changeable drive in various different flavours.
In console 1.
Kotelnikov, Molotok, apulsoft ashaper, fabfilter suite,airwindows consolidated.
Pro MB tutorial...PUH-LEASE !! For reverb, LiquidSonics Seventh Heaven (Pro) is stellar.
Second-hand software is a thing, at least from what I see from Chinese internet. But that is still mostly happening mostly ONLY when reselling owned-hardware, such as the software coming with the midi controller. I think the reason why reselling software is not popular is because license transfer is not that easy: technically and also confidence wise. Technically, nowadays companies bind licenses to your personal account with lots of your personal information, and somtimes it's not clear whether chaging login email is possible or not. A solution like iLok is both conveninent & annoying at the same time (some software like Slate requires the USB dongle to activate). But iLok USB dongle can solve the confidence issue in trading. But I wish it's a more open solution, that is, we can use any (cheaper) USB memory stick to make a iLok license stick rather than using the official hardware.
You definitely can resell plugin licenses, depending on the company. Some make it harder than it needs to be though.
You can have 2 separate Pro-Q eq's if you want because of the 2 eq sections...
What style of Music do you generally process?
Well done. No soothe2 or gulfoss?
Hi Wytse!
Great video, as always!
What drive models do you use on console 1?
Im on the fence and trying to figure out if its worth the financial hit.
Thanks.
Surprised no Trackspacer or Gulfoss. For me, I love Fuser.
More explainations on why people need pro ds and smart deess pls?
I was going to buy the Sonible Smart bundles in the black Friday sale but they never put their full studio bundle on sale, I thought it was pretty lame how they adjusted all the sale prices and left some off so if you wanted the whole lot it wasn't really on sale, and for that I'm out! they obviously don't want new customers, it's pretty simple really either put everything on sale or don't bother. I bought Fab Filter and ozone instead.
What control surface are you using? That thing looks awesome
Softube Console 1
@bioburden thank you!
With SSL 360 Link you could use the Unfairchild NOW.
I've barely bought any plugin and I usually just look for free alternatives because they get me 90% of the way there
@White Sea Studio If you were't clipping with hardware what would you clip with ?
I wonder why you're using Pro-Q3 inside C1 instead of Modern Eq which is mapped better IMO and it's easier to get the desired sound quicker from my experience. Pro-Q3 feels too sensitive inside C1, you barely touch it and it goes 3dB up or down
So, you re-installed Fabfilter?
I always go back to the alpha compressor on the master buss
So don't you use the stereo spectral graphic thing anymore??!!
Do a video on Sonic Academy’s ‘Kick 3’
So true.
I will give you $12 USD for the cube
wow, the sponsorship list is really looong!
Knobcloud but it's true that the value of your plugins don't weigh much once you resale it
Software can be updated for a fraction of the original price. Hardware is another story.
There are groups on Facebook reselling plugs 😅
Pro MB video, please!
No Izotope ones at all ?-)
Rx 11
You're right I do have a hoarding problem..
How much you want for the cube ?😂
But the stuff you can make with the software has value
Multiple secondhand plugin marketplaces already exist
probably asked already several times here. I haven't read all the comments:D!!! but...what about reaper plugins? you got to the point to stop using it or was just not a topic for this video? cheers
give us the pro mb sauce!!
So tiring, all these mighty revelations 😮😮😮
Auto gain is the thing... The next thing will be even the option to have auto gain in "db" or "lufs"... 😎
Omnipressor?!!!
Non music related question:
What method are you using to solve your Rubiks Cube?
😂
Plugins do get sold in some communities. It's not done much, because it's a hustle and doesn't make much money. Please don't frame hardware as an economic investment like gold or stock. It costs a lot more money to run than a plugin, you need to keep it working (maintenance costs that rise a lot when some parts aren't produced anymore) and while some gain value, most don't. Please, talk about audio benefits. Yes, we all have too many plugins, no I didn't buy any plugin during black week, yes I agree one shouldn't buy so much, but no, hardware isn't smarter to aquire than plugins.
Bro you gotta get paid for being in an ad :( wtf
Comment for da algorithm
Streak count: 287
Pro Q 3. Pro L 2. Saturn 2. Korvpressor. Blackhole. Supermassive. VPS Avenger 2. Current. Pigments. Spectre. Smart EQ 4. SpotOn. Ableton Stock Plugins.
😂 thats exactly what im doing. I have so many plugins that I dont really use so they getting unistalled.
But drive is gain... (???)
If you don't value software, then you don't value other people's time and work.
Software is not nothing!
Sorry man, I love you but we can not stop hoarding. Tried but NOT possible.
I only use 23 Pluggyz because nly use plugin aproved by Illuminati!
mmmmm SUB KICK !
I miss my Waves plug-ins 😢
Less is more
Wow, what a nonsense about software value 😮
Well, I am going to go from intel to apple silicon Mac in December, and due to Waves stupid upgrade plan, my current line-up of waves plugins become unusable… so the point was very valid
@@bernburg1999 it’s sometimes valid. You can sell plugins 2nd hand, but you can also get screwed by jumping into bed with the wrong developer. The same way physical hardware can also break or require maintenance, there are variables
@@matdan2 I get your point. An out-of-service piece of hardware however keeps value, unlike software.
Wytse’s point is still valid, unlike Michel’s statement above in my opinion.
Yes you can sell plugins second hand… it’s nothing like the value of hardware and physical things break but CAN BE FIXED if your software company goes good bye or a major chip upgrade happens like Apple your stuff is GONE!
No company is exempt, it’s very plausible for large companies to go bankrupt or be bought out.
Hardware sticks around, he’s totally right on this there is no comparison in value proposition.
Man, i dont know how many videos in row are oresentation of some products. Does not even matter in the end if somebody pay you for this, for me this channel is game over since i see some products presentations and between another youtube ads…
game over
Absolute bullshit you can sale license for plugins easily. But with some discount of course. Plugins it's not investment for sure. But you can sale them.
please stop screaming!!!
can you please stop scream!
14:05 it is not plugged in. No pun intended 😂
Thanks!